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Mets should trade Alfonzo

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Since the only reason Edgardo Alfonzo doesn't want to move back to third base is because it may hurt his free agent chances at the end of the year I say its time for the Mets to trade him.

Colorado is about to trade third baseman Jeff Cirillo for just a relief pitcher, how about give them Alfonzo, Todd Zeile, and relief pitcher Rick White for Cirillo? Then the Mets can sign Tino Martinez to a 3 yr deal to replace Zeile. Why doesn't Phillips come up with these great ideas?

How about Alfonso, Rick White, Zeile, and any or all of their outfielders except Cedeno for Troy Glaus and Darrin Erstad?

I hope the Mets remain active because they still need more offense........................................... ..

[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
post #2 of 23
Alfonzo is the heart of the Mets. You can understand the guy is a little upset - he's one of the best second basemen in the game, in both production and fielding, and he's being shoved aside by a newcomer. But he'll get used to it. Give him some time. The guy the Mets should be unloading is Benitez. They're not gonna make to the World Series with him, unless they make clear up front that come Oct. 1, Franco assumes the role of closer.

After dealing Justice to Oakland, they're obviously gunning for Juan Gonzalez, so signing Tino would only suck money away from that goal. Zeile is an excellent fielding first baseman (that infield is gonna be the best fielding we've seen in a long time, anywhere), and with Gonzalez they woudn't need to upgrade production at first base so badly.

What they do need is a new closer. I'm sure they could get someone decent for Benitez, Payton, and Agbayani.
post #3 of 23
Alfonzo is one of the best baseball players in NYC. The Mets would be stupid to trade him. As long as he returns to his form he had before all the injuries last season he'll be great.

If the Mets could get rid of Todd Zeile and sign Tino Martinez they would. Since Zeile had surgery this offseason no one will want him until they see how he is in Spring Training.

Unfortunately, if the Mets don't get rid of Benitez they won't win it all. Yeah he had 43 saves last year, but if wasn't for him the Mets could've truely made a run at the division title late in the season. They really should trade Benitez, Payton, and possibly Agbayani.
post #4 of 23
The Mets IF will NOT be as good as when they have Robin-OrdoƱez-Fonzy-Olerud.

Anyway, I agree it would be a mistake to trade Alfonzo unless he is truly unhappy. I do not think the Angels would give up Glaus either for that package---just not enough.

If the Mets truly want to trade for someone, go for Nevin. Problem is, the Mets don;t have much in ther farm system that I can think of offthe top of my head. Any deal with SD would have to start with Pat Strange and Jay Payton. That would give them an OF of Trammel, Payton and Kotsay, and Kleko would go to first and Burroughs would take over for Nevin. I do not think they would want Alfonzo as they already have Jiminez, Jackson, and the guy they just got from Seattle. You might want to look to Texas as well. They are stocked at 3B with Blalock, Lamb and Texiera...again I do not know what you could give up, but I would guess Pat Strange and Grant Roberts to start with.
post #5 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Horned_Frog:
<strong>TThey are stocked at 3B with Blalock, Lamb and Texiera...again I do not know what you could give up, but I would guess Pat Strange and Grant Roberts to start with.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't see them getting rid of Grant Roberts now that they got rid of Jerrod Riggan. The bullpen needs all they guys possible at the moment.
post #6 of 23
See that's the problem...the Mets have zilch to trade. And unless they get both Park and Gonzalez, I do not see them making the playoffs next year...sorry. The starting pitching does not immpress me much. A rotation of Leiter, Rusch, Chen, Appier does not really scare me...add Park maybe you got something. I do think, however, 87 games will win the NL east next year, soo who knows...and I think the Marlins will get it.

In the end, the Yankees will win it all anyway, so dies it matter if you finish 1st or last anyway???
post #7 of 23
Now they traded Tsyoshi Shinjo and Desi Relaford to the Giants for Shawn Estes. The rotation is starting to look better.
post #8 of 23
I was hoping they'd hold on to Shinjo. He really impressed me last year: good bat, good glove, good hustle - sort of like a mini-Ichiro. He's cheaper than either Agbayani or Payton, too. But I guess that all made him the best trade bait. Oh well. This helps clear the decks a bit more for Gonzalez, though they might try to deal one more OF before they pull the trigger.
post #9 of 23
That deal really bolsters their rotation...4 LEFTIES! (Leiter, Estes, Ruesch, Chen). I am still not sure you guys can make the playoffs without Juan Gone, St. Louis will probably get Tino and Park, The marlins will be a heck of a team, Arizona should be good again, as will the Dodgers. Mets could make the wild card, but Houston or St. Louis will get it I think. I see AZ, Hou, STL, and FLA as the NL playoff teams next season.
post #10 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Towel:
<strong>I was hoping they'd hold on to Shinjo. He really impressed me last year: good bat, good glove, good hustle - sort of like a mini-Ichiro. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I was hoping they'd hold on to Shinjo too. Besides for Piazza, Shinjo was my favorite last season. He came through for them so many times. He was an all around good outfielder. Hopefully now we'll get Juan Gonzalez and make it to the World Series like Robbie Alomar guaranteed if they got Gonzalez.

[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
post #11 of 23
methinks AI needs a new "baseball" forum
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
I've always liked Fonzie also, but he has a chronic bad back and the excuse he made for not wanting to go to third was only because he felt it hurt his chances of making more money as a free agent after this year.

I'd love to see them trade him for Nevin, but i don't think San Diego would trade him.

Now that Cirillo is gone, how about Fonzie for Scott Rolen? The Phillies are looking to trade him.

I believe Phillips got Estes to make one of the other starters available for trade. I'm hoping he's going to package Fonzie, maybe Rusch, and one of their outfielders like Payton for a third baseman. Then they could sign Gonzalas. I too liked Shinjo, but lets face it he is a mediocre ballplayer as a starter........................................... .....
post #13 of 23
I dunno, if they were looking to trade for a third baseman, the Alomar deal doesn't make any sense. Alfonzo's trade value is at an all-time low after last season's slump. His value dropped even further after the Ventura & Alomar deals because suddenly he looks expendable to the Mets. That's why they dealt Ventura first, then got Alomar. It's also why they're unloading OF's before signing Gonzalez. Phillips is too canny to leave Alfonzo swinging in the breeze before dealing him.
post #14 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>methinks AI needs a new "baseball" forum </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good idea.
post #15 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>Now they traded Tsyoshi Shinjo and Desi Relaford to the Giants for Shawn Estes. The rotation is starting to look better.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we'll see about that...
u just got yerself a headcase--we've been trying to unload him fer awhile...glad there are still suckers out there

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post #16 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>methinks AI needs a new "baseball" forum </strong><hr></blockquote>

ill be a mod

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post #17 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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we'll see about that...
u just got yerself a headcase--we've been trying to unload him fer awhile...glad there are still suckers out there

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

What's so bad about him?
post #18 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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What's so bad about him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

ok, as one of the biggest Giants fans there is, ive seen this guy since he came up. he was incredible his first full year--i saw his 2 hitter versus the astros here in houston--awesome performance. but ever since then, hes been very erratic. just when u think hes showing the brilliance everyone thinks hes capable of, he gets a mental freeze. the guys a headcase. hes got all the talent, but his heads not screwed on right. hes very emotional and thinks hes the best thing to come out of baseball since babe ruth--hes even arrogant over barry bonds...
so simply put--watch this guy like a hawk. watch his ups and downs. he'll show brilliance. but he'll also go through those times where it looks like he has no f***ing clue where he is (literally).

good luck w/ him (it seems only the giants have noticed his erratic behavior and performances, cause every other team thinks hes an ace...)

either way, i cant wait til next season--go shawn, and go Giants
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post #19 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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ill be a mod

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Me too, and EmAn.

:cool:

Nuttin' better than talkin' some hardball.
post #20 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Horned_Frog:
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Me too, and EmAn.

:cool:

Nuttin' better than talkin' some hardball.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i cant help but agree...
its in my blood

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post #21 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by Horned_Frog:
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Me too, and EmAn.

:cool:

Nuttin' better than talkin' some hardball.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds like a great idea
post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 
Looks like Phillips will bindle a starter along with some of our outfielders and maybe Alfonso for a third baseman or an outfielder or both.

I still think the Phillies would trade Rolen for Fonzie.

I would like to get Nevin and Bubba Trammell for Fonzie, Zeile, an outfielder, and maybe Rusch. Then sign Tino Martinez and forget about Gonzalez.......................................... ........
post #23 of 23
[quote]Originally posted by steve666:
<strong>Looks like Phillips will bindle a starter along with some of our outfielders and maybe Alfonso for a third baseman or an outfielder or both.

I still think the Phillies would trade Rolen for Fonzie.

I would like to get Nevin and Bubba Trammell for Fonzie, Zeile, an outfielder, and maybe Rusch. Then sign Tino Martinez and forget about Gonzalez.......................................... ........</strong><hr></blockquote>

i had fergotten about nevin...
that bastard hit me w/ a bat during a spring training game a few years ago...he threw the bat into the stands during a swing while striking out and cracked my eyesocket, ruining my playing career...
what an ass...didnt even apologize until forced to by lawyers of the team...

but im not bitter...
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