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A few corrections:


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post #242 of 582
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Originally Posted by satchmo View Post

Hmm...that works out to be more expensive per song that you actually keep.

It doesn't sound so clear cut to me. You leave out the cost of songs that you might not have bought if you were allowed to listen to the whole thing rather than a possibly poorly chosen 30 second clip of it. Or avoiding buying songs that don't have as good of a replay value as you thought it did. It seems like it gets you a better chance to more conveniently sample tracks that you wouldn't have time to try before, just download and listen at your convenience rather than wait until you have to do the interactive and limited sampling the iTunes store offers.
post #243 of 582
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How is it more expensive? I have been using napster to go for a few years now and have over 3000 tracks in my library. If I were using that horrible program itunes that would cost me more than $3000.

Care to at least state how much have you spent for all these years now? My issue with rent-a-music scheme is that I'm against DRM, and "renting" music is only playing to the majors' rythms, and I hate that. Personally, I have nothing against differing business schemes, so long as they don't destroy our freedoms...

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I don't understand why Apple has so many fanboys for their inferior overpriced products and their lame software Itunes. I mean the program runs like crap on PC

Hear hear! iTunes is shitty on the PC. That's because they compile the program in the mac and then port it to the PC, which is not the optimal way to make programs at all. You should try iTunes on the mac, though. It's snappier than any WM player on any PC.

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...and it can't do basic things like monitor a folder for new music. Ipods can only play music and they do not include an FM tuner. They don't support other music formats like all the other players like wma, wmv and the sound quality is below average. Yet they have all these fanboys.

wma is ms proprietary code. AAC is the open standard. I appreciate the effort Apple is putting into turning every music file out there into an open standard. You can always convert wma's into AAC, which I recommend wholeheartedly. May wma die with pain!

But sound quality below average? That's news to me.

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The Zune seems like a really good MP3 player if you ask me. HD tuner is really good but the fact that it operates like a gimped ipod troubles me. I like the freedom of connecting my mp3 player to any pc and drag or delete tracks from it without the need of software.

*sigh* Those were the times, yeah. But these companies have to pander with DRM issues, so that's almost impossible nowadays.
post #244 of 582
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A good quality LCD actually uses ambient light to make its image brighter and more vibrant; OLED does not. This means when you take it outside, the OLED's screen is completely washed out by sunlight. Unless you only plan to use your mobile device in your dark basement, you don't want one of today's OLED screens, particularly on a mobile media player that you might expect to use on the go in various environments.

A shot in the dark

Microsoft knows this, which is why it only demonstrates the Zune HD in dark rooms. Engadget filmed a full demonstration, including the device's incapacity to pull up a web page, in a suspiciously dark room without even noting this. There are actually candles visibly flickering in the video behind the device.

omg please... OLEDs are better than lcd-tft: better image under direct sunlight and drains less power.
post #245 of 582
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Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post

I want to break my Macbook and burn my iPhone after reading this article.

I dare you. Post a picture!
post #246 of 582
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I doubt it's any more so than Apple's "i" everything camel case naming scheme.

Next, someone will be saying that MBP isn't a legitimate name shortening scheme because it's not Apple's official name for it. I really don't see the problem with name shortening, seeing the name long hand all the time gets old. iPod Touch doesn't have a good abbreviation, I think iTouch is good enough.

Actually, I was sort of pointing to the fact that the sloppiness in his thinking and arguments were evidenced by the use of lazy words like 'itouch.' I was perhaps being too pithy, and probably should have elaborated.....
post #247 of 582
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Originally Posted by jiggawho90 View Post

that happened AFTER another $20 price drop

this is before, until today's price drop
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/192/zunehdnumbuh1.png

Ah, so it's a classic case of "That is now. This was then"?
post #248 of 582
With no OS X support, I can't use a zune (not that I'd ever want to) as all 3 computers in my household are Macs, #1 is my 17" MacBook Pro by my bedside, #2 is my wife's 15" MacBook Pro by her side of the bed (And we have these real cool swiveling leather wrapped shelves which came attached to the headboard of our italian imported bedroom set where our laptops sit on and swivel to or away from the mattress resulting in clutter free computing fun in the evenings) and #3 is my iMac as the heart of my audio and video recording studio in the office which my 4 year old also uses to play on a web sight called noggin. I may have gave more info then needed here but thats because we are so satisfied with our Mac home. We both have iPhones, we have MobileMe, AppleTV, 3 Airport expresses for each stereo in the house and Time Capsule to back up each Mac not to mention the countless iPods we had trough the years and my 4 year old son's iPod touch which I loaded up with tons of educational Apps and puzzles and DVD Rips of his favorite movies like Ratatouille, Cars and Ice Age, He navigates through that iPod touch like a pro and impresses our friends and family. I have a 80Gb classic which I connect to my Pioneer AVIC-N3 Navigation-DVD Player system with iPod connector in my SUV and watch videos or listen to music in the SUV while driving. I also have been DJing since I was 16 years old and just recently I went from a CD digital to an MP3 digital DJ using my iPod and a Numark iDJ2 mixer (All my mp3s are 320kbps for best quality) so there is no need for lugging around hundreds of pounds of vinyl records or even cases of CDs, with an 80Gb iPod I have all my music ready to play at a party though I don't DJ professionally anymore but rather as a hobby now, I am seeing more people calling me being that I'm so mobile now. I bet you cant do that kind of stuff with zune! Sure can't DJ with a zune.
Anyway, we are an extremely satisfied Apple brand name using family and with iPod and Mac OS X in the heart of our digital lives, we clearly have a great advantage in our tech lifestyle.
post #249 of 582
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Care to at least state how much have you spent for all these years now? My issue with rent-a-music scheme is that I'm against DRM, and "renting" music is only playing to the majors' rythms, and I hate that. Personally, I have nothing against differing business schemes, so long as they don't destroy our freedoms...

I have been a Nap to go customer for about 3 years which equals to about $540 for all the music I want old and new. I have no issues with DRM as it gives me unlimited music for a very low price.

So itunes is fast on Mac but slow on PC? Strange that they will do that because Mac has a very weak market share so all those Ipod users have to settle for a slow blaothed software to sync their music. Like I said the thing can't even monitor a folder like it's 1989.
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It seems ALL of the people who own or will soon own a Zune HD have come to visit.
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Prince McLean/Daniel Eran makes reading Apple Insider a waste of time.

AI is losing all credibility to me having such a fanboy
post #252 of 582
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"Despite the hype, the Zune HD appears to have failed before even hitting the market"
is that why zune 32 is outselling itouch 32 on amazon?

"LCDs: a typical maximum output of 200cd/m^2 compared to around 4-500 for mid-range"
does itouch output that high? NO

"Tegra is also being hyped as providing "8 processing cores,""
is that why itouch still uses technology that came out almost 7 years ago?

and for your INFO, iphone color is much more brilliant than itouch

"NVIDIA promotes Tegra as being "Ultra Low Power," but its standard ARM11 CPU doesn't deliver anything that isn't available in other ARM designs, nor any special power savings over more powerful and modern processors like the Coretex-A8 in the iPhone 3GS and latest iPod touch. "

is that why zune had 50% more battery life than itouch when it comes to video playback?

cry all you want here are real facts
there is NO significant different between itouch 2g and itouch 3g
itouch's graphic is worse than iphone
battery life is much greater than anything that apple can offer
nano's video quality is worse than the lowest flip $100 video recorder (i might add 10 times worse)
and finally, thanks for a great article, it shows the fear in your eyes
if you had no fear, you wouldn't have written this article

Incorrect the iPod 16Gb and 32GB are in no 1 and no2 positions, the Zune is 3rd.
post #253 of 582
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

Prince McLean/Daniel Eran makes reading Apple Insider a waste of time.

AI is losing all credibility to me having such a fanboy

Totally agree. This smear is very sad to see.

That they downplay Tegra and OLED should be evident of the intentions of Daniel and company to even the slowest person. Really if the iTouch is so great(it is) then why write such an article.

This is so insulting to AI's readers.
post #254 of 582
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Actually, I was sort of pointing to the fact that the sloppiness in his thinking and arguments were evidenced by the use of lazy words like 'itouch.' I was perhaps being too pithy, and probably should have elaborated.....

Are you complaining about the lack of the capitalization, or the name shortening in general?
post #255 of 582
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Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post

I want to break my Macbook and burn my iPhone after reading this article. Its reasons why I'm sometimes ashamed to use Apple products and be in any form associated with Apple fanbois.

This article is complete lies. This just proves how scared you really are of the Zune.

All in all I welcome the competition and the Zune HD does so much right. All this proves is you are scared and the Zune HD will sell very well. If you thought Microsoft would keep the '1 %' of the market, you would not have wasted your time making up lies.

People said the exact same thing when Microsoft first came out with the Zune and look at what happened, the Zune was a failure...
post #256 of 582
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

First off, Microsoft gave the Zune HD a new OLED display. OLED is an interesting new technology that uses a layer of electroluminescent organic compounds, rather than the inorganic materials used in traditional LCDs, to produce an image. OLED panels don't require a backlight, so they can render true blacks and provide a higher contrast ratio.

I actually have a little background in this, so let me take a whack at it...

Traditional LCD screens produce a color image by selectively filtering down a white light source, the backlight. As the name implies, the backlight lies at the back of the screen, and fires forward toward the viewer. Most backlights use CCFL tubes, while those on high-end televisions sometimes use LEDs instead.

Of the total amount of light produced, only a tiny fraction makes it through the entire screen. The filtering starts by removing over 1/2 of the light that's not polarized in the right direction. It then flows through a series of colored filters, LCD shutters and another polarizer on the front. In a typical display, only about 10% of the light at the back of the screen reaches the viewer.

LED's produce light directly on their front surface in the color you want, so almost 100% of the light they produce reaches your eye. Modern devices are more efficient than a CCFL as well, so the amount of energy needed to produce any given image is much lower for LEDs than LCDs. Unfortunately, traditional LEDs are fairly large, and not really suitable for television-like displays.

Into this void steps the OLED, which uses a printable technology that can scale down to useful sizes. Although the OLED is not efficient as the traditional LED, the overall end-to-end performance is still much better than an LCD of the same brightness. OLED screens require about 1/2 as much power as an LCD to display an all-white image (the most efficient image one an LCD can display) and are generally much more efficient as most images contain colors or graduations in brightness.

There, that is an accurate description of the technologies involved.

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However, today's OLED panels are much dimmer than standard issue LCDs

No, SOME of today's OLED panels are. Others are much brigher. Seeing as you didn't actually see the Zune and based your entire article on supposition from a photo series on Engaget, let's turn to someone that actually has seen the new device, Ars:

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3.3 inch OLED screen: Sure, we knew all about it, but how does it look? With a unit in our grubby little hands, we can confidently say it looks pretty damn good. Colors are saturated and the screen is terrifically brightso much so that even my dad (!) commented after seeing the device begin playing its demo movie.

Everything I've heard states in normal use it is much brighter than the iPhone. It is entirely possible that it has problems outdoors, likely even, but the iPhone is hardly perfect here either.

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There are other problems with OLED. They don't last long,

They last more than long enough for a device that is essentially disposable over a period of 2 to 3 years.

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And despite the power savings attributed to OLED's backlight-free design, OLEDs still use more power than LCD displays most of the time because the OLED technology consumes power based on how bright the image it is displaying is. Essentially, OLED is the backlight.

This statement is absolutely false. OLED screens use, less power than an LCD of the same size and brightness. Period. Can I put numbers to this? Sure:

http://displaydaily.com/2009/07/09/w...-tvs-be-green/

This post suggests they will use about 30% of the power of the equivalent CCFL backlit LCD, like the one in the iPhone.

"Considering it's got an energy-saving OLED screen, we were disappointed with the battery life of the Jet. Perhaps the powerful processor puts some extra drain on the juice, but the promised 180 minutes of talk time and 250 hours' standby translated into a barely a day of moderate use."

And they guessed it was the processor, which strikes me as just as informed as your guess. Of course, it could be neither of these things.

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If you're wondering why Apple, which sells tens of millions of mobile devices per year

Perhaps it's because Apple sells millions of devices a year, and current production lines can't handle that load. Whereas MS, which sells perhaps 1/20th the number, doesn't present any particular strain.

Your knowledge of the OLED market appears as limited as your knowledge of its technology.

Maury
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Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post

This article is complete lies. This just proves how scared you really are of the Zune.

No, that's going too far, just like this article. Really, all it demonstrates is the poor quality of reporting in this article, nothing more.

Maury
post #258 of 582
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Originally Posted by Gboy99 View Post

Guess you fall into the "mindless Apple Sheep" comment above. Keep buying something for its logo and not its features.

Would you please tell me how you deduce that from anything I've said?

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People on this forum want me to stop buying Apple products.

What?! You are on weed!
post #259 of 582
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Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

I actually have a little background in this, so let me take a whack at it...

Traditional LCD screens produce a color image by selectively filtering down a white light source, the backlight. As the name implies, the backlight lies at the back of the screen, and fires forward toward the viewer. Most backlights use CCFL tubes, while those on high-end televisions sometimes use LEDs instead.

Of the total amount of light produced, only a tiny fraction makes it through the entire screen. The filtering starts by removing over 1/2 of the light that's not polarized in the right direction. It then flows through a series of colored filters, LCD shutters and another polarizer on the front. In a typical display, only about 10% of the light at the back of the screen reaches the viewer.

LED's produce light directly on their front surface in the color you want, so almost 100% of the light they produce reaches your eye. Modern devices are more efficient than a CCFL as well, so the amount of energy needed to produce any given image is much lower for LEDs than LCDs. Unfortunately, traditional LEDs are fairly large, and not really suitable for television-like displays.

Into this void steps the OLED, which uses a printable technology that can scale down to useful sizes. Although the OLED is not efficient as the traditional LED, the overall end-to-end performance is still much better than an LCD of the same brightness. OLED screens require about 1/2 as much power as an LCD to display an all-white image (the most efficient image one an LCD can display) and are generally much more efficient as most images contain colors or graduations in brightness.

There, that is an accurate description of the technologies involved.



No, SOME of today's OLED panels are. Others are much brigher. Seeing as you didn't actually see the Zune and based your entire article on supposition from a photo series on Engaget, let's turn to someone that actually has seen the new device, Ars:



Everything I've heard states in normal use it is much brighter than the iPhone. It is entirely possible that it has problems outdoors, likely even, but the iPhone is hardly perfect here either.



They last more than long enough for a device that is essentially disposable over a period of 2 to 3 years.



This statement is absolutely false. OLED screens use, less power than an LCD of the same size and brightness. Period. Can I put numbers to this? Sure:

http://displaydaily.com/2009/07/09/w...-tvs-be-green/

This post suggests they will use about 30% of the power of the equivalent CCFL backlit LCD, like the one in the iPhone.

"Considering it's got an energy-saving OLED screen, we were disappointed with the battery life of the Jet. Perhaps the powerful processor puts some extra drain on the juice, but the promised 180 minutes of talk time and 250 hours' standby translated into a barely a day of moderate use."

And they guessed it was the processor, which strikes me as just as informed as your guess. Of course, it could be neither of these things.



Perhaps it's because Apple sells millions of devices a year, and current production lines can't handle that load. Whereas MS, which sells perhaps 1/20th the number, doesn't present any particular strain.

Your knowledge of the OLED market appears as limited as your knowledge of its technology.

Maury

Great even-handed post! Nice to hear some voices of reason.
post #260 of 582
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Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

This statement is absolutely false. OLED screens use, less power than an LCD of the same size and brightness. Period. Can I put numbers to this? Sure:

http://displaydaily.com/2009/07/09/w...-tvs-be-green/

This post suggests they will use about 30% of the power of the equivalent CCFL backlit LCD, like the one in the iPhone.

erm, all very interesting but the iPhone used LED backlighting for the LCD not CCFL just like the majority of mobiles and smartphones have for the past 5+ years.

But of course you knew this seeing as you know a 'little' something about this.
post #261 of 582
Woo-hoo, 258 posts and counting! It's nice to get back to the good old Mac vs. Peecee Wars again. All it took was a credible Zune to squeeze testosterone into the bloodstreams of all us Mac fanbois and all you Microsoft-is-King-and-everything-Apple-makes-is-crap boys.
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I have been a Nap to go customer for about 3 years which equals to about $540 for all the music I want old and new. I have no issues with DRM as it gives me unlimited music for a very low price.

As I say, if it rocks your boat... as long as it doesn't threat mine. Which it does, but that's more a philosophical point than should be dealt here.

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So itunes is fast on Mac but slow on PC? Strange that they will do that because Mac has a very weak market share so all those Ipod users have to settle for a slow blaothed software to sync their music. Like I said the thing can't even monitor a folder like it's 1989.

It's not a matter of "doing" that, it's more about flexibility between builds on mac and pc. Apple thinks that fast porting of builds is more important than making a non-bloated version from the ground up in the PC, and spend a lot of time and money syncing its evolution with the mac's version. About the monitoring of folders, I never ran up with that issue. But then again, I rarely use iTunes in my PC.
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I have been a Nap to go customer for about 3 years which equals to about $540 for all the music I want old and new. I have no issues with DRM as it gives me unlimited music for a very low price.

And what happens if you stop paying.... ?


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So itunes is fast on Mac but slow on PC? Strange that they will do that because Mac has a very weak market share so all those Ipod users have to settle for a slow blaothed software to sync their music.

All those (PC) Ipod users were free to buy any one of dozens of competing products. Perhaps they should have bought a Zune!
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And what happens if you stop paying.... ?




All those (PC) Ipod users were free to buy any one of dozens of competing products. Perhaps they should have bought a Zune!

The world is filled with mindless sheep that follow trends. When Ipod launched there were much better mp3 players on the market with more features but because of the clever marketing people soon associated mp3 with ipod. That's why it became so successful.

If you stop paying you obviously lose the license to play the tracks unless you remove the DRM which equals to stealing. Still works out a lot cheaper for me to have unlimited access to all the music I want rather than paying 1.29 a track or having to go through the headache of file sharing.
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The world is filled with mindless sheep that follow trends. When Ipod launched there were much better mp3 players on the market with more features but because of the clever marketing people soon associated mp3 with ipod. That's why it became so successful.

I'm really tired of this shitty argument. Listen, pal, calling people mindless sheep is hardly an "argument", bokay? If Apple was able to market a product like no one else did or was able to do, that's hardly Apple's fault, now is it? I fail to see where Apple made a deal with the devil where they were able to hypnotize so many people around them.

The question you should ask yourself is, how did Apple do it? How do they still do it? Clinging in anger denial of Apple's success and insulting other people won't get you far at all.

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If you stop paying you obviously lose the license to play the tracks unless you remove the DRM which equals to stealing. Still works out a lot cheaper for me to have unlimited access to all the music I want rather than paying 1.29 a track or having to go through the headache of file sharing.

What headache you are talking about? And no, I don't appreciate the "obligation" to buy songs every month, nor to pay a monthly fee. I also do not think the majority of people like that. But as I've said, whatever rocks your boat. If it suits you, fine by me. If, otherwise, what's in discussion is the future of music market, and where "the puck is", so to speak, I wouldn't bet on Rhapsody or any other similar attempt. They all failed the past decade, despite having all the Majors behind them. They will continue to fail the next decade. Only a handful of rich teenagers will enjoy it.
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The world is filled with mindless sheep that follow trends. When Ipod launched there were much better mp3 players on the market with more features but because of the clever marketing people soon associated mp3 with ipod. That's why it became so successful.

You mention marketing and features, but adding features that don’t work well and/or are hard to access is done for marketing when your focus is just adding bullet points to spec sheets. The reason the iPod won is because Apple didn’t focus on the marketing of the device for some silly spec sheet, they focused on the consumer. They didn’t have the user drag and drop audio files into a mounted drive to load music, they used a robust app call iTunes to organize and assist you in ways that Finder or Explorer can’t.

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If you stop paying you obviously lose the license to play the tracks unless you remove the DRM which equals to stealing. Still works out a lot cheaper for me to have unlimited access to all the music I want rather than paying 1.29 a track or having to go through the headache of file sharing.

That is fine for you, but you must see that it’s far from an ideal for most people. I don’t want to listen to millions of different songs a month. I barely listen to a handful of new songs a month and know which ones I want to buy before I buy them. Getting 10 free songs a month for $15 while having access to millions of exploding audio that requires me to fork-up $15/month to prevent it from going away does me no good. For me and most people the benefit is nil. The reason that you now get 10 free songs a month is because the concept is failing. I hope that you and others like you get to maintain your accounts but you should at least admit that it’s not right for most people, so why push it as the only right solution?
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post #267 of 582
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I dont see anything that would make this Zune a "must have" product in the way Apple can. Apple even came into what was considered a tough market with the iPhone and they made it the overnight gold standard. I can say that the Zune since their v2.0 OS has been quite good (especially for MS) but I see nothing compelling for the average consumer to buy a Zune or to switch to the Zune from an iPod. MS is more likely to pull consumers from the other non-iPod PMP vendors, but that market, especially for the larger devices, is already quite small.

Ive read that OLED doesnt need to have the same resolution as LCD to appear clearer and crisper. I cant attest for that being a fact but from what Ive seen in images OLED that is stated to be fairly low res looked very good.

I don't disagree with you- from the get-go this was basically Microsoft's version of an iPod Touch. OTOH Apple's iPod was not the first mp3 player either. But Apple entered the market with the first good product, whereas the iPod Touch (and iPhone) were great products, absolute home runs- as soon as I saw the interface I thought to myself 'This is it!'

Whether the Zune HD will succeed in the marketplace, we will see. I do like the design and the hardware personally, I think they did a good job differentiating their glass slab from Apple's.

I guess my thing is that I'm not particularly rooting for the Zune HD to succeed or fail. If it were really a great, great product I would even consider buying one. But it would have to be truly magnificent, since I would have to sync via Boot Camp on my MBP. In all likelihood I will pick up a used 2nd Gen iPod Touch at some point.
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You mention marketing and features, but adding features that don’t work well and/or are hard to access is done for marketing when your focus is just adding bullet points to spec sheets. The reason the iPod won is because Apple didn’t focus on the marketing of the device for some silly spec sheet, they focused on the consumer. They didn’t have the user drag and drop audio files into a mounted drive to load music, they used a robust app call iTunes to organize and assist you in ways that Finder or Explorer can’t.


That is fine for you, but you must see that it’s far from an ideal for most people. I don’t want to listen to millions of different songs a month. I barely listen to a handful of new songs a month and know which ones I want to buy before I buy them. Getting 10 free songs a month for $15 while having access to millions of exploding audio that requires me to $15/month to prevent it from exploding does me no good. For me and most people the benefit is nil. The reason that you now get 10 free songs a month is because the concept is failing. I hope that you and others like you get to maintain your accounts but you should at least admit that it’s not right for most people, so why push it as the only right solution?

Other MP3 players always had software to sync and they all work with WMP to sync also. Itunes is slow and extremely laggy on my 4GB quad core PC so the point of them focusing on the consumer seems false. Maybe they focus on their Mac consumers but that's it. I just got a Palm Pre and for some strange reason they decided to make it work with Itunes and I just don't see what people see in that slow program. If I switch to another PC it asks me to format the player....WTF. Thank God it syncs with Winamp which works much better.

I do not have a Zune pass I use napster to go with a creative MP3 player. Napster also has another price plan of 5 bucks a month for unlimited streaming and you get to keep 5 tracks a month. If I feel like it I can remove the DRM but since I continue ot pay there is no point.
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Yeah... those pesky 'facts' thingies really get in the way.
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Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

Perhaps it's because Apple sells millions of devices a year, and current production lines can't handle that load. Whereas MS, which sells perhaps 1/20th the number, doesn't present any particular strain.

Your knowledge of the OLED market appears as limited as your knowledge of its technology.

Maury

I think that's a great point, OLED is newer and isn't up to scale yet from a production standpoint.

A few years back, one of Sony's last CLIE PDA's used an OLED screen and it was said to be stunning.
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Other MP3 players always had software to sync and they all work with WMP to sync also. [] and I just don't see what people see in that slow program.

You arent looking at the convenience that most people look for, myself included. iTunes is quite bloated and can be quite slow, but it has features that the others cant possibly match. The Zune PC software is the closest thing we have to a comparable app to iTunes and it still fails in many ways. That said, I think the Zunes OS has been pretty good since v2.0 and if I had to choose a non-iPod PMP Id go for the Zune.
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Originally Posted by madmaxmedia View Post

I think that's a great point, OLED is newer and isn't up to scale yet from a production standpoint.

That is something rarely considered on these forums. Apple will have access to the same new tech that MS and others do, but there is no way that Apple can buy certain tech with the scale they sell on. I doubt very much that Apple could get 40M(?) OLED screens for their iPhone and iPod Touches for this year. How many Zune HD will MS end up selling in comparison? Heck, we are even having NAND shortages that are blamed on Apples iDevice dominance.
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I thought apps were planned for the Zune--it seems not! Microsoft admittedly is "considering" it, but is focusing on Windows Mobile apps instead for now.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/200...ne-translation

So that kills it right there. iPod + apps = a pocket computer. At the same price, a Zune makes little sense. It's more like it's trying to compete with the iPod Touch from 2007.
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The Wikipedia article on AMOLEDs does not seem to support this articles attack on OLED.

I have recently been researching what phone I would get and settled on a Samsung S8000 Jet which has an AMOLED screen, hopefuly arriving shortly.

During that research I noticed that every user and reviewer commented that the screen was very, very impressive.

Don't believe me, try it yourself. Cut and paste this phrase, including quotes into Google - sumsung jet "amazing screen"

I get 437 hits. 168 hits for 'fantastic screen', 129 hits for 'stunning', 601 hits for 'brilliant' and, get this, 1009 hits for 'gorgeous'.

I give far greater credibility to the large number of actual users and reviewers than this article by AI, which I think is an absolute disgrace, BTW.

I also found many comments suggesting the screen was reasonably legible in direct sunlight. That would be better than all the LED screen phones I have used which have been useless in direct sunlight.

Another thing I came upon in user reviews were several comparisons to the Touch, by users who had one and had acquired a Jet. They all said the Samsung AMOLED screen was far superior to the screen on the Touch.
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

erm, all very interesting but the iPhone used LED backlighting for the LCD not CCFL just like the majority of mobiles and smartphones have for the past 5+ years.
But of course you knew this seeing as you know a 'little' something about this.

This doesn't negate everything else said by Maury does it, or was that your attempt to discredit him irnchriz? You should of pointed out the error only, but since your good at locating mistakes, why not enlighten us on what was right and wrong with the article "From OLED to Tegra: Five Myths of the Zune HD".
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

I thought apps were planned for the Zune--it seems not! Microsoft admittedly is "considering" it, but is focusing on Windows Mobile apps instead for now.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/200...ne-translation

So that kills it right there. iPod + apps = a pocket computer. At the same price, a Zune makes little sense. It's more like it's trying to compete with the iPod Touch from 2007.

The way it read on the ArsTechnia article is that the Zune PC software will have a section for apps, but there are no 3rd-party apps and that all apps will be free. While I think its nice that they arent charging and arent cluttering up your device with a bunch of apps youll never use, it seems more of a marketing tactic to show that they also have an app store, like the iPod Touch and iPhone.

PS: I wish Apple would let me remove apps that I wont ever use, like the stand alone Address Book or their weather app that wont even use the GPS to find my location.
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

And yet AI posts this lame article slamming the Zune HD. It's pathetic. I mean, really, how many people on this forum were even vaguely considering the Zune HD? Two, three, maybe. Why the need to write a 3-page article for all the fanboys?

Oh right, its another Princess article. All he's good as is slamming Microsoft. Apple can do no wrong in his fanboy eyes. Lame. Lame. Lame.

The only place where he's partly wrong is about the OLED screen.

Otherwise you will find just about the same information elsewhere.

I know that's it's also politically correct to slam his articles because they often contain some errors, but mostly, they are correct.

We're going to see overly optimistic reviews on a number of other sites, that like a few earlier Zune reviews give opinions that most people after using the device and its software for a while won't agree with, so perhaps we should slam those articles as well.
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"However, Tegra isn't a scaled down version of NVIDIA's PC graphics GPUs. Instead, it's based on technology NVIDIA acquired in its purchase of fabless chip designer PortalPlayer in 2007."

Got any source info on this?

I can see NVidia using PortalPlayer tech for fixed function codec acceleration, but NVidia using PortalPlayer tech as a base for OpenGL ES 2.0 doesn't sound right.
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I want to break my Macbook and burn my iPhone after reading this article. Its reasons why I'm sometimes ashamed to use Apple products and be in any form associated with Apple fanbois.

This article is complete lies. This just proves how scared you really are of the Zune.

First Internet Explorer 6 Mobile is not the same as Internet Explorer 6. You have no idea what IE6 Mobile is based on and in fact CNET reviewed it quite well.

Second if Windows CE is so horrible and everyone hates it... why is it used everywhere. Why did Apple choose Windows CE over developing in house (until now) or using Linux or Palm for their solutions. They had a much more cozy relationship with Palm (until now).

Tegra will be tested in time, but I know with the older Zunes the WiFi is on consistently and as such you would assume it would be on in the Video test which show longer battery. I'm sure actually that OLED also helps to get to the standard. But I see that you are the idiots the support LCD over Plasma which I use because in my house I can see a clear difference watching a black and white movie on Plasma against LCDs. When did we decide that ONE lightbulb was good enough. Tube TVs would light each pixel, Plasma & OLED do the same. Its reality. In real life you don't have a giant lightbult filtering thru everything. Even if OLED isn't perfect (and people going to BestBuy and CNET confirm otherwise) its still a step in the right direction of technological evolution and Apple WILL evolve to OLED and you will look like the idiots that you are in your OLED accusations.

Regarding HD Content... It will play HD Content on the device in the NATIVE widescreen aspect. Unlike the iPhone or iPod Touch that is not native 16:9 widescreen. That maybe more suited to a phone, but for portal movies I don't want black bars or distortion of the movie. In addition the Zune HD will play 720p content on the device, so I don't need to transcode just sync and play. In addition HD Radio is not a brand decision of Microsoft or Zune and its amazing that you deride radio so much when even Apple has eventually added FM radio and MARK MY WORDS that the iPod Touch will have FM Radio eventually.

All in all I welcome the competition and the Zune HD does so much right. All this proves is you are scared and the Zune HD will sell very well. If you thought Microsoft would keep the '1 %' of the market, you would not have wasted your time making up lies.

Like others here who are slamming the article, you haven't bothered to go to the other sites that have discussed the particular areas which Prince commented on. his facts are pretty close for most of the article. His description of the Tegra, for example, is spot on.

His biggest error is in failing to provide links to other places where his info would be confirmed, so you could all easily go there yourselves rather than having to do the work of searching.
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Why all the new models of macbooks have it ??
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