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post #201 of 380
9/17/09 at 10:42am
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believe it or not, won't use another person's mouse because of the H1N1 virus.

I don't believe mice are carriers of H1N1.

Seriously, though, are they bringing their own keyboards in too? Perhaps you should suggest alcohol wipes and/or hand sanitizer as a more practical solution, or hand out vinyl gloves (well, you never know who might have a latex allergy). Better yet, install UV germicidal lamps over each computer that switch on whenever someone leaves their chair. OK, well, I was lying when I said, "Seriously."
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9/17/09 at 10:54am
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And I'll bet that it takes you more time to choose the ideal mouse than your Mac.

I just walked into our computer lab and there are 84 stations. There are only 4 stations that have the same mouse, and are all Apple's latest iteration. Most of the graphic stations are manned with users who have bought their own mouse/trackball/corded/wireless/1-5 button, etc. Some even take them home after class.

Not just because it fits them like a glove, but some, believe it or not, won't use another person's mouse because of the H1N1 virus.

I wouldn't want Apple to waste time designing a mouse.

Yup, a Mac is easy, a mouse is hard. I use a Logictech MX620 Laser Cordless mouse, and like you say it's hand in glove.
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post #203 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:04am
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Yup, a Mac is easy, a mouse is hard. I use a Logictech MX620 Laser Cordless mouse, and like you say it's hand in glove.

As you might expect, I'm keeping the type of mouse I use secret.
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post #204 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:04am
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Performance gains?!?!?!?!?

Going from a 3.06GHz Core 2 Duo in 2008 to, wait for it, a 3.06GHz Core 2 Duo in 2009. Big gain there

Going from an 8800M GTX (Apple calls it an 8800GS) to a GT130 (die shrunk 9600M). No improvement again.

Exactly where is Apple improving performance? Putting in the amount of RAM and size of HD common in sub-$600 PCs back in 2008? That's not even keeping up with the Joneses.

Apple software is where things have been getting better. That and Apple customer service is why they have a better satisfaction rate. Apple notebooks fare well against direct competition, but their desktop lineup is mediocre at best and is badly outperformed by PC hardware costing half as much.

Making the iMac thinner will only appeal to people who value form over function and can afford to replace their computer every couple of years.

Ever since the personal computer was invented the most important measurements have always been reliability and performance per dollar because those tell you how many years you'll get from your purchase and thus what it'll really cost you.

I believe today's Core i7 PCs are as powerful as the iMac will be in 2012. So take the lifespan of the iMac and add 3 years. Now that would be good value for the consumer, but it would kill Apple to have machines last 6 years because sales would plummet. They have to make them good enough to get you to buy them, but crappy enough that you'll need to replace them frequently.

Viewed from that perspective it's clear that Apple doesn't want customers who can do simple math. They would rather have us shut up, go away and buy a PC. If we install OS X on our PCs then we're supporting the Mac software market so that's OK.

Actually the performance gains for the iMac were not touted as much as the others. It was tweaked under the graphics hardware, the memory type, and the memory bus speed to bring it in line with the rest of Apple's offerings. It was not a completely new product. If you don't like it, don't buy it (obviously you didn't if your using some home built hackintosh).

I'm guessing you haven't done any homework on the graphics cards either:
nVidia Product Comparison Benchmarks

The T130 is leaps and bounds above the older 8800 and 9600 series.

Your price quotes are also for aftermarket individual parts, or wholesaler costs like TigerDirect. You won't find anything like that from an actual PC manufacturer like HP, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, etc. Find the same hardware at any PC manufacturer's site and you will find the exact same prices for comparable hardware. Please show me a laptop from Dell with a Core 2 Duo 3 Ghz processor, a dedicated graphics card, 4 GB of ram, and a 20" or 24" display for less than $600 dollars. It's common knowledge that Apple's prices are no different than any other Manufacturer.

Have you even looked at the performance numbers for a 3.06 iMac compared to the dual quad core and the single quad core Mac Pro's? It is no slouch, even on the older 3.06 GHz 2008 models with the slower bus speed. It is not supposed to be a high end Mac Pro. It is purely mid range and more like a desktop with laptop parts than a true desktop. If you want more horsepower, buy a dual quad-core Mac Pro.
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post #205 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:07am
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Internal BD-Rom drives are actually very cheap. They can be had for about a hundred bucks retail. With Apple's buying power, they could be had for much less. There is no loss here as they are all compatible with the various DVD formats. That leaves either licensing costs, or coding costs to implement DRM, or a combination of both.

Whatever it is, I hope they resolve it soon. I hate going to another machine just to rip a blue-ray when I could be working on my Mac instead.

The slot-loading 12.7mm drives that Apple uses in their iMac cant be had for about $100. The notebooks are even more expensive because they use 9.5mm slot-loading drives.

Then to say that whatever price you see online means that Apple will sell them to you for cheaper because they can buy in bulk is likely not correct. Apple has to support these drives with warranties on the HW and make sure the drives work with their OS, and because these a premium item that would surely be a BTO option you are not likely to pay less than buying the drive from a cheap unknown retailer online.
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post #206 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:21am
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The slot-loading 12.7mm drives that Apple uses in their iMac cant be had for about $100. The notebooks are even more expensive because they use 9.5mm slot-loading drives.

Then to say that whatever price you see online means that Apple will sell them to you for cheaper because they can buy in bulk is likely not correct. Apple has to support these drives with warranties on the HW and make sure the drives work with their OS, and because these a premium item that would surely be a BTO option you are not likely to pay less than buying the drive from a cheap unknown retailer online.

Note these Panasonic internal slimline drive prices at consumer RETAIL: http://www.outletpc.com/c2316.html

There is no need to put a 9.5mm drive in an iMac. There is plenty of case thickness to go with a 12.7mm drive.

If you think Apple can't leverage it's buying power to get them cheaper direct from the manufacturer, than you're deluding yourself. The fact is simply that BD hardware is no longer as expensive as it was 2 year ago. The cost to add it to an iMac would be minimal in bulk. You can also bet that agreements between Apple and a hardware vendor would come with warranty's from the hardware manufacturers as well. It would take research to find good quality drives, but Apple does this all the time for every piece of hardware they offer. This is no different.
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post #207 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:29am
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Note these Panasonic internal slimline drive prices at consumer RETAIL: http://www.outletpc.com/c2316.html

There is no need to put a 9.5mm drive in an iMac. There is plenty of case thickness to go with a 12.7mm drive.

If you think Apple can't leverage it's buying power to get them cheaper direct from the manufacturer, than you're deluding yourself. The fact is simply that BD hardware is no longer as expensive as it was 2 year ago. The cost to add it to an iMac would be minimal in bulk. You can also bet that agreements between Apple and a hardware vendor would come with warranty's from the hardware manufacturers as well. It would take research to find good quality drives, but Apple does this all the time for every piece of hardware they offer. This is no different.

1) They wont fit into Mac notebooks or are you saying that ONLY the iMac should get Blu-ray (not even the Mac Pro which is the easiest fit of all).

2) Those are IDE, not SATA.

3) They are not burners (remember how you mentioned ripping).

4) never said they couldnt get them cheaper from the retailer, I said they wouldnt sell it to the customer at cost. Besides Apple making a profit on their BTO options they now have to support it which costs them money.

5) There is a reason why items on outlet stores are discounted heavily. Sometimes you can find a good deal, but often these items have major faults in other ways that make them less than ideal. go ahead and buy it, create an IDE to SATA convertor that sticks the back of your iMac and dremel a big ass hole in the side for the tray. Good luck with that!

6) Finding the cheapest drive you can isnt exactly a fit for the HW Apple would use. But finding the cheapest drive you can that is only satisfied by one criteria but fails on even working in the iMac is disingenuous at best. Some people are going to read that and think that drive will work in there iMac. Shameful!
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post #208 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:48am
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I don't believe mice are carriers of H1N1.



I see what ya did there.
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post #209 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:48am
I never mentioned the Macbook. They are already highly priced due to the tiny hardware required to cram them into such small spaces. I would never expect anything low cost for a Macbook of any kind.

I'm not interested in a BD-RW. I think you'll find that most people aren't. The media is still way to expensive per MB than a cheap external USB hard drive. I'm only interested in ripping which requires only BD-Rom.

Given the fact that you can buy them retail for such a cheap price from top tier vendors like Panasonic, Apple could include them for very little price increase. You're missing the point. I'm not suggesting Apple go to TigerDirect and buy some cheapie hardare to throw in a Mac. That would never happen. I'm suggesting with their buying power, and vendor connections, they could easily add the hardware for minimal cost. They don't need to charge a Mac buyer full retail for all of the individual parts. I already mentioned that I don't believe the hardware cost is the issue. I suspect with the thin margins on the internal hardware, that the cost of licensing is actually more of a deterrent than the hardware itself.
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post #210 of 380
9/17/09 at 11:51am
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I see what ya did there.

I completely missed that post. Quite clever, Anonymouse.
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post #211 of 380
9/17/09 at 12:11pm
I'd like to see some video connectors that are compatible with the tons of stuff in my house. I have PCs, Macs, monitors, HDTVs, DVRs, digital TV receivers - none of it connects to my unibody Macbook and I can't buy an Apple Cinema display because only one of them (the 1 Macbook) would be able to connect to it. Even my brother's new refurbished macbook would need TWO adapters to get to the Apple Cinema.

Could we please live in the world?

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post #212 of 380
9/17/09 at 12:12pm
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I never mentioned the Macbook. They are already highly priced due to the tiny hardware required to cram them into such small spaces. I would never expect anything low cost for a Macbook of any kind.

I'm not interested in a BD-RW. I think you'll find that most people aren't. The media is still way to expensive per MB than a cheap external USB hard drive. I'm only interested in ripping which requires only BD-Rom.

Given the fact that you can buy them retail for such a cheap price from top tier vendors like Panasonic, Apple could include them for very little price increase. You're missing the point. I'm not suggesting Apple go to TigerDirect and buy some cheapie hardare to throw in a Mac. That would never happen. I'm suggesting with their buying power, and vendor connections, they could easily add the hardware for minimal cost. They don't need to charge a Mac buyer full retail for all of the individual parts. I already mentioned that I don't believe the hardware cost is the issue. I suspect with the thin margins on the internal hardware, that the cost of licensing is actually more of a deterrent than the hardware itself.

Apple could add a lot of stuff. They could add a lot of things but that mean that it makes sense for them to do so. You havent mentioned why Apples iMac should get Blu-ray when no other machine should. Does the Mac Pro with a standard size Blu-ray really come after the iMac here? Why does ignoring the fastest growing and largest seller to the Macs

Youre coming at this from the standpoint of what you want, not at what is best for Apples roadmap. The iMac is not Apples only machine, its not their best selling machine and while its growing compared to the desktop segment its not a primary focus of Apple, nor should it be. Focusing on Blu-ray for the iMac makes no sense. On top of that, what is preventing any Mac from playing Blu-ray movies is not the exclusion of a Blu-ray drive but the lack of OS support from Apple. If Blu-ray video is so important to Apple and not both a crutch in licensing, potentially in coding, and not a competitor to the burgeoning iTS video then why have yet added the OS support so the few that want to play Blu-ray movies on a small display can do so?
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post #213 of 380
9/17/09 at 12:16pm
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I'd like to see some video connectors that are compatible with the tons of stuff in my house. I have PCs, Macs, monitors, HDTVs, DVRs, digital TV receivers - none of it connects to my unibody Macbook and I can't buy an Apple Cinema display because only one of them (the 1 Macbook) would be able to connect to it. Even my brother's new refurbished macbook would need TWO adapters to get to the Apple Cinema.

Could we please live in the world?

You are living in the world. You want to live in a Utopia. That aint gonna happen. You can buy adapters and Apple makes a nice 24 display for your MacBook. The good thing about miniDisplayPort is that its a very future-forward standard compared to what we had in the past.
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post #214 of 380
9/17/09 at 12:39pm
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Steve Jobs demanded outrageous stock option bonuses for himself and his hand picked Vice Presidents.

Steve's compensation has been very modest compared to the enormous value that he has contributed to Apple and shareholders such as myself. Steve is the only person on the planet with his combination of exceptional skills and we would have been getting good value if we had been paying him 10x more than we have.
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9/17/09 at 12:51pm
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Apple could add a lot of stuff. They could add a lot of things but that mean that it makes sense for them to do so. You havent mentioned why Apples iMac should get Blu-ray when no other machine should. Does the Mac Pro with a standard size Blu-ray really come after the iMac here? Why does ignoring the fastest growing and largest seller to the Macs

Youre coming at this from the standpoint of what you want, not at what is best for Apples roadmap. The iMac is not Apples only machine, its not their best selling machine and while its growing compared to the desktop segment its not a primary focus of Apple, nor should it be. Focusing on Blu-ray for the iMac makes no sense. On top of that, what is preventing any Mac from playing Blu-ray movies is not the exclusion of a Blu-ray drive but the lack of OS support from Apple. If Blu-ray video is so important to Apple and not both a crutch in licensing, potentially in coding, and not a competitor to the burgeoning iTS video then why have yet added the OS support so the few that want to play Blu-ray movies on a small display can do so?

Isn't what I want the point of this entire thread?
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post #216 of 380
9/17/09 at 12:51pm
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Why?

I don't know of any mouse that would be universally acceptable.

Because that mouse has been universally panned. From it's constant clogginess, it sluggishness, and bad sensitivity, from it's micro scroll ball, to its color scheme left over from the white iMac.
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9/17/09 at 12:56pm
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I wouldn't want Apple to waste time designing a mouse.

Any Dell or Microsoft mouse I hate to say is better. All it has it looks- that's it. And it looks like that thing women use to shave their legs.
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9/17/09 at 1:01pm
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Just how would you rip a Blue-ray on a Mac or any other computer with an internal BD-ROM?

You've really never heard of Boot Camp? I never said ripping it in OS X. I said ripping it on a Mac. It's a pain in the arse to rip it on my HP laptop and then copy 40 GB files back to my Mac for processing.
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post #219 of 380
9/17/09 at 2:52pm
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Isn't what I want the point of this entire thread?

There is little Apple couldnt do that others are doing, but that does not mean its a good fit for their business. For Apples PoV I dont see that Blu-ray is a great fit and this is backed by the complete lack of support for it in the OS. You cant just slap in a drive and have it work, which you are aware, and Apple had a great opportunity with Snow Leopard to include and test Blu-ray playback in Snow Leopard yet its not there. DVD Player didnt even get an update. Id wager that Apple will be removing optical drives from their notebook line before they add Blu-ray support to their OS.
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9/17/09 at 2:52pm
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You've really never heard of Boot Camp? I never said ripping it in OS X. I said ripping it on a Mac. It's a pain in the arse to rip it on my HP laptop and then copy 40 GB files back to my Mac for processing.

And you can write to a Blur-ray disk with a Blue-ray ROM on a PC?

How do you do that?
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9/17/09 at 4:37pm
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And you can write to a Blur-ray disk with a Blue-ray ROM on a PC?

How do you do that?

I thought his statement was about ripping a disk. Don't need a writable drive for that.
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9/17/09 at 6:17pm
Who cares about blu-ray, the disks are still too expensive...
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9/17/09 at 7:28pm
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I already store a 2.5 Hdd back there on my imac. Only difference is I use a strip of double sided sticky tape. Costs .30 cents and keeps the hdd completely hidden.

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9/17/09 at 7:41pm
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9/17/09 at 7:48pm
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There is little Apple couldnt do that others are doing, but that does not mean its a good fit for their business. For Apples PoV I dont see that Blu-ray is a great fit and this is backed by the complete lack of support for it in the OS. You cant just slap in a drive and have it work, which you are aware, and Apple had a great opportunity with Snow Leopard to include and test Blu-ray playback in Snow Leopard yet its not there. DVD Player didnt even get an update. Id wager that Apple will be removing optical drives from their notebook line before they add Blu-ray support to their OS.

Blu ray will die in this economy
I just saw on sale for $48. at best buy the movie "the 40 yr old virgin " blu ray exclusive directors cut . 3 dvd's filled all sorts of extra's and stuff .

My dinner with andre will just have to wait .

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9/17/09 at 7:52pm
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Who cares about blu-ray, the disks are still too expensive...

Thats what I've been saying this whole past week on these forums!!! QFT --- F*** BLU RAY!!!! ARHGHGH

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I completely missed that post. Quite clever, Anonymouse.

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I see what ya did there.

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As you might expect, I'm keeping the type of mouse I use secret.

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I don't believe mice are carriers of H1N1.

Man, anonymouse is rocking this thread!
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9/17/09 at 7:53pm
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Just how would you rip a Blue-ray on a Mac or any other computer with an internal BD-ROM?

Ripping BluRay on a PC to is widely known, just Google "how to rip blu ray" ... Gizmodo even has a blow-by-blow how-to guide. Macs and OS X are behind the curve on this one. But as usual, the process on PC is rather convoluted. At the end of the day, you wonder, "Why did I even bother?" ... But of course, to do it to be able to watch BluRay on your Mac is a good reason to go through the steps. However you have to transcode to watch on your Mac... AFAIK... which means a loss in quality... but I'm not 100% up to date on this BluRay shingimadoo... (See above post on me saying screw BluRay and its cost)...
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9/17/09 at 8:07pm
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can the MBP15" 3.02 HGz play wolfenstein ?? is it like cod ?

It is kind of like somewhere between COD and Fear2 ... Your MBP can definitely play Wolfenstein. The only thing is you may have to tweak the "Performance" setting to turn of Specular graphics and set Shadows to Low. There is no antialiasing unless you force it using a tweak for Nvidia cards. You may have to play one resolution below your MBP native, that is, at 1280 by 800... Depending.

Some people say its a "shitty console port" but it is actually not too bad once you get over the slightly jarring graphics, very 3D looking humans (like most modern games) and relatively simple shootouts. The trick is to look for Gold, Intel and Tomes so your missions are more interesting. Then when you get Veil powers using that is a lot more fun than shooting guns... And guess what. The story is actually not that bad, has a bit of Indiana Jones feel to it more than the original Wolfenstein feel... Make sure you talk to all the characters to feel more of the storyline. Oh, finally, make sure you read every piece of Intel you get... adds to the interest and gives a little backstory.
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9/17/09 at 8:10pm
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Ripping BluRay on a PC to is widely known, just Google "how to rip blu ray" ... Gizmodo even has a blow-by-blow how-to guide. Macs and OS X are behind the curve on this one. But as usual, the process on PC is rather convoluted. At the end of the day, you wonder, "Why did I even bother?" ... But of course, to do it to be able to watch BluRay on your Mac is a good reason to go through the steps. However you have to transcode to watch on your Mac... AFAIK... which means a loss in quality... but I'm not 100% up to date on this BluRay shingimadoo... (See above post on me saying screw BluRay and its cost)...

Actually I have no interest in watching it on my Mac. I rip them so that I can convert them to DVD for the various players in my home that haven't been upgraded to Blu-Ray. Nothing more complicated than that. Apparently folks don't understand what 'Ripping' means. You don't need a burner for that. A BD-Rom is all you need. most BD-Roms are also DVD-RW capable which is a nice bonus.

Any conversion which requires re-encoding results in quality loss, although many folks will convert a Blu-Ray to 720P which will easily fit on a DVD in MP4 format. I'm not interested in that path. Just ripping the and converting to DVD for the few DVD players I have left. It's either that, or purchasing Blu-Ray players throughout the house or buying companion DVD's to go along with each Blu-Ray purchase. Much easier to simply rip the blue ray and convert to DVD for those players that need it.
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9/17/09 at 9:20pm
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12 years ago, when he was chosen to lead Apple as its new CEO, replacing Gil Amelio, Steve Jobs promised to substantially increase the Mac market share. Steve Jobs also acknowledged that the 1986 decision to not license the original Mac OS had been a bad decision, but stressed that he was no longer part of the company when that decision was made.

Newcomers to the Mac platform may not realize how important to Mac loyalists was the commitment from Steve Jobs to increase the Mac market share. Mac loyalists had supported the platform since the early days, joining Mac user clubs and promoting Macs at work or in schools, colleges and universities, despite the higher prices and decreasing market share of Macs, and despite the growing popularity and ever lower price of Windows 95 and Windows 98 computers.

Things changed at Apple the day that Steve Jobs demanded outrageous stock option bonuses for himself and his hand picked Vice Presidents. From that moment on, Apple was turned into a money machine producing ever higher profit margins to reward Steve Jobs and his loyal friends in Apple's higher management to the detriment of average users who had to pay higher prices. Gone were any hope of expanding the Mac market share or adopting a policy of competitive prices and features.

As Apple developped a new OS, the iPhone OS, Steve Jobs repeated the original mistake which caused the downfall of the Mac through the late 1980's and 1990's, when he opposed the licensing of the iPhone OS and demanded a $400 premium on every iPhone, a profit margin of more than 200%.

As a lame justification for his greed, Steve Jobs developped the arguments quoted above, stressing that Apple was not going after every market, just the high margin opportunities, somehow accepting that Apple was to forever remain a niche player with different and overpriced products carrying a higher profit margin for average quality or outdated components. All was in the name of Apple and the "vision" of Steve Jobs. The Apple stock became a favorite of hedge fund managers who were looking for a quick profit, not a long term investment.

Mac users and Mac loyalists were betrayed by Steve Jobs and, with its high prices and limited choice of models or options, Apple doesn't have a bright future.

A company should listen to its customers and aim to grow its market share, for otherwise, it should cease to exist.



When Jobs came back to Apple the company was in the dumps. Even Little Mike Dell was saying the company should be liquidated and shareholders given their money back.

Today Apple has far more free cash at hand to cut a check for Dell - the whole bloody company, including buildings, patents, and customer base. Pay cash for the who bloody company and still have enough left over to bail out GM.

Their product lines are tightly controlled, well designed and loved by most customers. Their customer service ratings are the best in the business. Their margins are solid, and their stores are showing the rest of the industry how to do it - but they won't be able to match Apple.

Truth is that you cannot name another CEO who has as much impact on their company or industry than Steve Jobs. The dude was worth far more than a simple Billion Dollars to the company and to its customers.

Don't like it? Then go buy a Dell. I don't that there is much of a chance of Apple buying it with their pocket change.
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post #231 of 380
9/17/09 at 10:41pm
Steve seems to be betting that BluRay will lose out to broadband. Steve is usually right about such things.
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9/17/09 at 10:57pm
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Steve seems to be betting that BluRay will lose out to broadband. Steve is usually right about such things.

Eventually, but BluRay still does fill an important area while next-generation broadband gets up and running over the next 5 years (I'm talking widespread, easy availability of wired+wireless 100mbps broadband in many, many areas of US, Europe and Australia, Asia, etc. WITHOUT HORRIBLY RESTRICTIVE BANDWIDTH CAPS/COST).

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When Jobs came back to Apple the company was in the dumps. Even Little Mike Dell was saying the company should be liquidated and shareholders given their money back...Today Apple has far more free cash at hand to cut a check for Dell - the whole bloody company, including buildings, patents, and customer base. Pay cash for the who bloody company and still have enough left over to bail out GM...

On that note Apple should buy over one of the auto companies and make the iCar hybrid, environmentally-friendly, great design, etc. etc. It's not as crazy as it sounds. Think of how digitally connected the car is nowadays. Think of the mess the auto industry is in. Now think of Apple design, software, and thinking. If Steve was in better health he could pull it off within the next 3 years. Right now though unfortunately I think the iTablet will be his last great delivery before he really has to spend more time for himself and his family, hand over and train up the rest of the Apple team. Personal transport is so critical to our lifestyles in addition to personal computing and the "digital mobile lifestyle".

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Actually I have no interest in watching it on my Mac. I rip them so that I can convert them to DVD for the various players in my home that haven't been upgraded to Blu-Ray. Nothing more complicated than that. Apparently folks don't understand what 'Ripping' means. You don't need a burner for that. A BD-Rom is all you need. most BD-Roms are also DVD-RW capable which is a nice bonus.

Any conversion which requires re-encoding results in quality loss, although many folks will convert a Blu-Ray to 720P which will easily fit on a DVD in MP4 format. I'm not interested in that path. Just ripping the and converting to DVD for the few DVD players I have left. It's either that, or purchasing Blu-Ray players throughout the house or buying companion DVD's to go along with each Blu-Ray purchase. Much easier to simply rip the blue ray and convert to DVD for those players that need it.

Cool. I was wondering what your transcode was after ripping or if you just copied directly to hard disk without transcoding. Yup, DVD/BluRay "ripping" may confuse some of those who use Macs all the time. ... Well, to be fair you have MacTheRipper~Handbrake on Mac for DVDs so it's quite straightforward. Can't wait for BluRay ripping eg. Handbrake for Mac to handle it, that would be good. I like going through Doom9 and reading all the techniques but were I to get into BluRay I would love a Handbrake for Mac to handle all of it in one shot.
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9/18/09 at 3:12am
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Eventually, but BluRay still does fill an important area while next-generation broadband gets up and running over the next 5 years (I'm talking widespread, easy availability of wired+wireless 100mbps broadband in many, many areas of US, Europe and Australia, Asia, etc. WITHOUT HORRIBLY RESTRICTIVE BANDWIDTH CAPS/COST).



On that note Apple should buy over one of the auto companies and make the iCar hybrid, environmentally-friendly, great design, etc. etc. It's not as crazy as it sounds. Think of how digitally connected the car is nowadays. Think of the mess the auto industry is in. Now think of Apple design, software, and thinking. If Steve was in better health he could pull it off within the next 3 years. Right now though unfortunately I think the iTablet will be his last great delivery before he really has to spend more time for himself and his family, hand over and train up the rest of the Apple team. Personal transport is so critical to our lifestyles in addition to personal computing and the "digital mobile lifestyle".



Cool. I was wondering what your transcode was after ripping or if you just copied directly to hard disk without transcoding. Yup, DVD/BluRay "ripping" may confuse some of those who use Macs all the time. ... Well, to be fair you have MacTheRipper~Handbrake on Mac for DVDs so it's quite straightforward. Can't wait for BluRay ripping eg. Handbrake for Mac to handle it, that would be good. I like going through Doom9 and reading all the techniques but were I to get into BluRay I would love a Handbrake for Mac to handle all of it in one shot.

If you have a Bluray drive you can use MakeMKV. Its for OS X, I don't know how well it works though as I don't have a Bluray drive. It creates an MKV container that can be played with VLC.
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9/18/09 at 4:26am
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If you have a Bluray drive you can use MakeMKV. Its for OS X, I don't know how well it works though as I don't have a Bluray drive. It creates an MKV container that can be played with VLC.

There are actually some tools that have been ported to OS X that can be used for part of the process, but it must be started on the Windows side. TSMuxer and FFMpeg are two good ones,but the process is actually still a bit easier on the Windows side. Unless you get a pay package costing large sums of money, your kind of stuck on a mac side, where the Windows side has a full compliment of free and open source software that will do the job nicely.

Things are getting better, but not quite there yet. I'm very disappointed that AVSynth 3.0 fell by the way side. I wouldn't call it completely dead as there is still hope that it will be ported, but it's on it's last breath. A very powerful tool and scripting language for video editing.

At this point you can't rip a protected Blu-Ray on the Mac side. You can demux it once it's ripped, and encode both the video and the audio on OS X, but the Open Source DVD Authoring tools are again lacking AC3 support, which is key. FFMpegX (the FFMpeg GUI) will create a very basic Video_TS folder but lacks polish and flexibility. I'm hoping the recent market gains by Mac will prompt a more active Open Source movement in the Video arena.
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9/18/09 at 7:15am
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You know, "Ben". you're acting more like an uninformed troll everyday ,,, so "unlike you".
If you're going to SPREAD rumors, like you always do, at least TRY to give a few examples, with links, to back up your "claims", unless, of course, you're just trying to START them.

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User upgradeable parts: RAM, anything else requires completely disassembling the system.
CPU intel core 2 duo mobile
GPU Nvidia 100 series mobile or Radeon mobility 4850 (Apple routinely assigns a desktop name to a mobile chipset thinking that the current batch of Mac users won't do any research and actually look at the chip ID while in windows)
Chipset Nvidia 9400 mobile.

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User upgradable parts: Hard drive, optical drive, RAM, inverter, airport card, upper fans. Easy to take the back off.
CPU: desktop IBM PPC970 or 970FX
GPU desktop GeForce 5200FX
chipset: Apple U3L (also used in single CPU PowerMac G5)

Lets now examine Apple's current systems.

Macbook Pro:
Designed in way that user can easily upgrade hard drive, optical drive, and RAM. Battery too if it wasn't proprietary. Parts situated for easy cooling

Mac Pro: Easy access to hard drives, RAM, optical drives, and CPUs via doors and trays. Parts situated for easy cooling

iMac and Mac Mini: parts crammed haphazardly into tiny spaces. Require major difficultly to access internal components and replacement requires complete disassembly. Do to crammed nature cooling is less than optimal.

Seems to me that the iMac and Mini are not quite up to Apple standards past or present. However changing them, (especially a flatter mini) would require admitting a mistake.

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.... Apple was worth 11 billion dollars.

Today Apple is worth 180 billion dollars.

You appear to not know what you are talking about or you are just trolling.

What will it be worth when the teenager don't think its cool anymore and the fanboys have driven away every last user who uses OSX for a living. How many times has this platform been sent back down to square one because of arrogance? Won't happen again right? I'm sure they were saying that in the 80s and after the iMac boom.
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9/18/09 at 7:20am
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Steve seems to be betting that BluRay will lose out to broadband. Steve is usually right about such things.

He also thought the AppleTV would take off like the iPod. He's been spot on about digital music, but the record on digital video has been spotty at best.
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post #237 of 380
9/18/09 at 7:35am
Blu-Ray, and it's DRM, should hopefully die a horrible death... Give us DRM-free content, or just go away.
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9/18/09 at 8:04am
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I thought his statement was about ripping a disk. Don't need a writable drive for that.

I realized that. Because I didn't get a response, I began to think that he didn't know what he was talking about.

My question now is why would you bother to go the such lengths.

Ripping a Blue-ray disk to your computer takes up a lot of time and more important, space. Having done a lot of ripping in the past, I would think that a 40 GB Blue-ray ripped file is much larger.

And just what is he doing it for? Even if one was reediting, wouldn't you think that a Blue-ray writer would be on the wish list.

Why anybody would sacrifice their Mac just to watch movies via Blue-ray seems like overkill. Considering that there is still issues with the format as even HP acknowledges, an internal BD in any format is wasteful.

As we did for the first few years with DAT, ZIP, CD and DVD, etc., storage, external was the priority until the format became universal. And as we have seen, not all survived.
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9/18/09 at 8:06am
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I realized that. Because I didn't get a response, I began to think that he didn't know what he was talking about.

My question now is why would you bother to go the such lengths.

Ripping a Blue-ray disk to your computer takes up a lot of time and more important, space. Having done a lot of ripping in the past, I would think that a 40 GB Blue-ray ripped file is much larger.

And just what is he doing it for? Even if one was reediting, wouldn't you think that a Blue-ray writer would be on the wish list.

Why anybody would sacrifice their Mac just to watch movies via Blue-ray seems like overkill. Considering that there is still issues with the format as even HP acknowledges, an internal BD in any format is wasteful.

As we did for the first few years with DAT, ZIP, CD and DVD, etc., storage, external was the priority until the format became universal. And as we have seen, not all survived.

The BD files are temporary. Look about 10 posts up and you'll see my reply. I know very well what I'm doing, having written numerous guides on conversions from XviD, DVD, SVCD, Blu-Ray, H.264, Understanding Aspect ratios and resolutions, etc.

http://www.videohelp.com/guides?sear...or+List+Guides
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9/18/09 at 8:07am
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What will it be worth when the teenager don't think its cool anymore and the fanboys have driven away every last user who uses OSX for a living. How many times has this platform been sent back down to square one because of arrogance? Won't happen again right? I'm sure they were saying that in the 80s and after the iMac boom.

But there really is no "arrogance" (whatever THAT means) to speak of today. No more than anywhere else. There is absolutely no evidence that the consumers reposnsible for Apple's record quarters and record Mac sales are experiencing any "arrogance" from Apple. They're lining up to buy, and continue to line up to buy. Been this way since 2006. Apple's reached a new level of mindshare saturation. The demand fuels itself now. No one can really predict far into the future, but it looks like the Apple train will keep moving for a long time to come. Even without Steve Jobs, Apple continued to execute effectively. Seems the company is one of the best managed in the entire indsutry.

OS X fanboyism is an internet forum phenomenon. It really has no effect outside of it. OS X users are happy with OS X and Apple is selling more Macs than ever. People aren't dumpng Macs because they feel somehow insulted.

Apple continues to be really the only profitable growth-oriented company in tech today, and the singular most important tech company of this generation, bar none. As someone said earlier, Apple's primary advantage is that it's proactive. It leads and the rest follow. This much is clear.
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