[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
What a confused jumble of tidbits that was. What kind of flowers you sniffing over there Flowerbob?
You are against the death penalty, but you are for having it legal, but against ??? I lost you there. And then you jump to completely banning it like the UK. Does it have merit or not?
Ans as for tryin got gain face by giving up due to pressure from other countries. As my mother used to say, "Just because he jumped off a bridge does not mean you have to as well." If Europe want to have no death penalty fine, I don't live in Europe so I have no say in that, I live here and I say the death penalty should stay.
Gosh, your post wouldn't have been so bad if you weren't so muddled about posting it.
And for that last quote, Thou shalt not kill has to do with you personally. When you break that law the punishment is up to those in authority over you to determine. Not up to you or me. Those in authority say that certain crimes are punishable by death, so death is the punishment.
Wow, that was hard. Anyone here speak "flowerbob"?<hr></blockquote>
LOL not sniffing any flowers. the flowers are all gone now
. [i ate them
] but there are always more flowers
let me try to explain with more words:
in cases where the sentance is death penalty, there is almost always an appeal. in cases where it would have been possible to ask for death sentance, but the prosecution asks for a lesser sentance and there is a conviction, an appeal is much less likely. therefore, i you want to save resources, having the death penalty legal but never sentancing people to death is very efficient. i am proposing this as a point of discussion, though i do not have a clear idea of whether the cons of this outweigh the pros.
with the issue of "banning the death penalty because europe banned it"... no offense, but you are providing a perfect example of the rather retarded mindset that fucks up american foreign policy: you are saying that because we are americans, we can do whatever the hell we want, and it doesn't matter at all what direction the international community is moving in, or the desires of our allies. how can a nation with this kind of "philosophy" justify making demands of other nations? not logically, and we look like arrogant idiots when we try (which is all the time).
am i being sufficently clear this time around? if not just say and i'll post it all again.
finally, the last point. as you so succinctly pointed out earlier, there is death penalty because (enough) americans want death penalty. now, for a moment let's just agree to not get into stupid picky arguments about "which" amercians want it, because there is a majority of americans who want it, and a majority of americans who are christian. therefore there are americans who are christian and want the death penalty. i'm concerning myself solely with them for the moment, and i'm not interested in how numerous they are. the point is the exist.
now, you seem to be saying that for these people, it's alright to live under an authority system which kills people, as long as they are not killing people themselves. however, as you so succinctly put it, here in america the government is killing people because these very christians ask that the government do so. you then are implying that for christians, it's alright to interpret "thou shalt not kill" as "you should get other people to do your killing for you," which i *don't* believe is at all what that law is supposed to mean. if this isn't what you meant, please clarify.
ps. my logic is impeccable. you just have to already understand it to understand it. see what i mean?