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post #81 of 224
They should call it: oh, I don't know... maybe, "Cairo".

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post #82 of 224
1. Looks a good idea. But WinMo or Vista7 will make it a piece of garbage.

2. Did Microsoft want something to be able to say that Apple copied them for a change?!? LOL

3. Vaporware from Microsoft is normal. All the splash about Surface took them nowhere.

4. After Zune, after retail, after Vista7, this is just the latest MS copy of Apple techniques. Trying to recreate the - 'ssshhh, get excited about what we're working on' effect that Apple does so brilliantly (but without having to do anything itself!).

Overall, another good example of how Apple has changed the world.
post #83 of 224
Looks great (watched the video) and for design people, this is great, if it's made into a shipping product.

But:
Too big for pocket
Large, no physical keyboard

This is largely why the Newton didn't go anywhere and th Palm Pilot sold by the truck load. Cool tech, the geek in me wants one, but typing is faster than writing and it doesn't fit in my pocket.
post #84 of 224
Apple had this idea a long time ago.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4928842683632#

It was called the Knowledge Navigator. Everything is a little larger and clunkier than Ives would design today, but it is a folding computer with two screens in a portable format.
post #85 of 224
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Yeah! Where's your stunning concept video, Apple? Microsoft is winning the concept video war! By this time next year Microsoft's concept videos will be so advance that Apple won't even know what hit them! LOL, Apple! Your concept videos suddenly look outdated and tired.

And just wait till MS integrates what maybe they could do with the new Zune with next gen concept videos and possibly some still shots of what they might have in mind for the Xbox! Game over, man, game over!

I love your posts, man. Pure comedy.

Believe it or not, people on MR are laughing about it, too. And MR is basically a Windows forum.
post #86 of 224
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I just watched the video over at Neowin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

That is quite possibly the most impressive UI and device I've seen in a long time. I have my doubts if MS could actually pull that off within the next year or so, but I wish them all the luck! It looks fabulous and I love competition!

Looks great but this is probably the current state of development .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=049_U-0C9qU
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post #87 of 224
i cannot wait for microsoft to produce yet another failed attempt at a tablet device and fail miserably
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Thank you for your amusing troll post. It is rare that I get such a good chuckle from these comment boards. Your claims are downright silly, but, as a famous pirate once said, Please understand that I hold you in the highest regard.

prove me wrong wise-guy...

I would hardly call my comments "trolling". Look up the definition of it; ok, i'll do it for you...

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"

Nothing that i've stated is either off topic or irrelevant to discussion. Merely just making corrections.
post #89 of 224
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

I just watched the video over at Neowin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

That is quite possibly the most impressive UI and device I've seen in a long time. I have my doubts if MS could actually pull that off within the next year or so, but I wish them all the luck! It looks fabulous and I love competition!


Wow, that looks absolutely beautiful. I still don't see any need for a tablet, but it's lovely all the same.

I think with the Zune HD, MS have shown they can make a beautiful UI which is leagues ahead of anything Apple can produce. This, if they can pull it off in the real world, is a step beyond that.
post #90 of 224
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

More smoke.

They can't even fix Windows Mobile, and they've had over two years to do it.

Oh, they can make a great tablet . . . if they outsource it to Apple.

Well, maybe they have let their POS Windows mobile product flounder and have decided to put their efforts towards this?

Got to wonder what a potential price would be. Seems like it would need a rather meaty processor as well.

Kudos to them if this is indeed to be a product within the next 6 months.

Your up Apple.
post #91 of 224
Gotta love the Gestapo ss titles they have at ms: Experience Officer.

Yes Officer, at your services officer!

The prototype is ready let's see what the Experience Officer commands! A tad of the usual spanking or maybe the Execution Squad.

Morons.
post #92 of 224
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

I just watched the video over at Neowin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

That is quite possibly the most impressive UI and device I've seen in a long time. I have my doubts if MS could actually pull that off within the next year or so, but I wish them all the luck! It looks fabulous and I love competition!

Yeah, that's incredible. If that makes it to market it could be a game changer.
post #93 of 224
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

Gotta love the Gestapo ss titles they have at ms: Experience Officer.

Yes Officer, at your services officer!

The prototype is ready let's see what the Experience Officer commands! A tad of the usual spanking or maybe the Execution Squad.

Morons.

Maybe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKn1f...eature=related

post #94 of 224
As a concept, that's exactly what I've always wanted in a portable computer. Where laptops (and my iPhone) have always failed me is the ability to quickly take notes and organize thoughts and data. I personally hate the way people (myself included) have to bury themselves in their laptops in meetings, tapping away and hidden behind their computer screen. That video demonstrates an interface that works like I work (it would be really cool if you could "flick" data to other users, but I'm just dreamin here). If a student were able to do the same thing with e-textbooks - dragging over important information, annotating text, and saving important diagrams - this could be a must-have on campus.

That said, I'm sure msft doesn't know when they can get this to market. Its being leaked because Apple will beat them to the punch and they don't want to be seen as imitating Apple.
post #95 of 224
That sort of device is exactly what I was talking about two years ago and more with some industrial designers and cartoonists I know. In design, basically the child of a Nintendo DS and a MacBook Air.

I assumed two very thin vertical screens in a format like the DS, but this mockup makes far more sense to me. Add in a virtual keyboard that can be displayed as the user requires, for those who do not wish to use a stylus to write, and that's pretty much something I'd buy in a heartbeat. Prettyy good ideas about who people use an interface too. Can you imagine Apple's pixel-perfect polish on a "tablet" like this?

That being said, if MS did do something like this, they'll mess is up in some way: bugger up the UI, cheaply made plastics, poor partner relations, bloated and slow OS, etc. But Apple? Hmm. I'd buy one just the way it's shown.
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post #96 of 224
Am I the only one that realizes that this NonVendorFan always comes in at the beginning, spews a bunch of garbage, then is no where to be found? I swear this is probably the tenth thread I've seen this happen.
post #97 of 224
An animated video is all well and good, a real product is a different story.
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post #98 of 224
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i like the split home button that folds in the middle yet has no seam. Amazing technology. Should be here by thanksgiving.

lol...
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post #99 of 224
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

I like the split home button that folds in the middle yet has no seam. Amazing technology. Should be here by Thanksgiving.

The panel with the home button doesn't fold - there is no crease (it stays where it is during closing). The two screens come together and when it is all closed the part with the home button is hidden inside the spine of the book.
post #100 of 224
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Originally Posted by DaveyJJ View Post

That sort of device is exactly what I was talking about two years ago and more with some industrial designers and cartoonists I know. In design, basically the child of a Nintendo DS and a MacBook Air.

I assumed two very thin vertical screens in a format like the DS, but this mockup makes far more sense to me. Add in a virtual keyboard that can be displayed as the user requires, for those who do not wish to use a stylus to write, and that's pretty much something I'd buy in a heartbeat. Prettyy good ideas about who people use an interface too. Can you imagine Apple's pixel-perfect polish on a "tablet" like this?

That being said, if MS did do something like this, they'll mess is up in some way: bugger up the UI, cheaply made plastics, poor partner relations, bloated and slow OS, etc. But Apple? Hmm. I'd buy one just the way it's shown.

Yep and i'd buy a transporter beam as shown in Star Trek too In reality I guess this M$ fantasy video is no more sci-fi than the Apple Navigator Video from all those decade go ... in fact less so since Apple's bit of sci-fi used a lot of voice commands..

As I use Google's app on the iPhone many times a day to search (and it is almost 100% accurate in translating my voice commands) I suspect Apples future vision of voice commands could now be feasible. "Computer, pay my current on line bill to Mercedes and open iTunes and play Dave Matthew's latest album please, oh and check AAPL." "Certainly Dave, oh I have your sister on the line ..."

My bets are still on Apple being the first to bring such a product to market in this area and it will be a paradigm shift I no doubt
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post #101 of 224
Courier... Codex... Microsoft... Innovation.

http://community.research.microsoft....rch-codex.aspx
post #102 of 224
It's a cool concept on that animation, but I seriously doubt Microsoft can pull this off early next year. If the internet browser is half as good as the one shown in real world, you would expect something better than the one they put on Zune HD. Microsoft tends to wow everyone before it launches any product, like Surface, Vista, younameit so I'll believe it when I see it.
post #103 of 224
If MS doesn't screw up the user experience, this is the perfect vehicle for digital books.
post #104 of 224
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Why are you here? You haven't said anything useful yet. All this ranting about how Apple is screwed.

We know you would like to see that happen. Why don't you go to a PC forum and say it? Have they kicked you off there?

I don't know about the others but I'm not spelling doom for Apple. I'm just being extremely wary about the situation. And if Steve Jobs is smart (and we all know he is) he should now be EXTREMELY WARY about this development.

I hope to gawd that Jobs knows what he's doing with this project. I hope he hasn't underestimated it's importance to his company and the tech industry as a whole. And I hope he hasn't underestimated the competition. He singlehandedly embarassed the entire mobile industry with the original iphone.
The mobile industry (including Microsoft) doesn't want that to happen again!
post #105 of 224
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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

I don't know about the others but I'm not spelling doom for Apple. I'm just being extremely wary about the situation. And if Steve Jobs is smart (and we all know he is) he should now be EXTREMELY WARY about this development.

I hope the gawd that Jobs knows what he's doing with this project. I hope he hasn't underestimated it's importance to his company and the tech industry. And I hope he hasn't underestimated the competition. He singlehandedly embarassed the entire mobile industry with the original iphone.
They don't want that to happen again!

why should he be wary? does this device look remotely interesting to anyone and appealing to the eyes, as the iphone?

when videos like these of prototypes surface, one has to remember that microsoft is after all...a company that SELLS...(crap)...their CEO is a sales person...
post #106 of 224
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Am I the only one that realizes that this NonVendorFan always comes in at the beginning, spews a bunch of garbage, then is no where to be found? I swear this is probably the tenth thread I've seen this happen.

Probably because I have a life and rarely spend that much time in these rooms.

I prefer to read Ars Technica because it's unbiased reporting and covers all OS's and mobile. The writing is great and the overall input to the articles are constructive.
The Apple articles aren't full of Nut Jobs praising the ground Steve Jobs walks on and don't generally believe everything that Apple spews.

I hit all the rooms Mac/PC and Open Source in about 1/2 and hour to an hour every few days. Debating what color the next iAnything is and wishing Balmer from MS would die isn't a part of my daily habits.
post #107 of 224
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Why yes, yes I am.



Sorry, I think more in specifics than in generalizations from areas that don't necessarily apply.
IMHO, it will be difficult to make a reliable signal-carrying hinge that swivels 180 degrees, with the flexibility to open even wider. This "thing" should be capable of withstanding being opened far more often than a laptop.

Nintendo doesn't seem to have any problems making one -- out of PLASTIC no less...

post #108 of 224
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Originally Posted by MacGregor View Post

Two screens with different functions! Years ago I was thinking one would be color and HD and meant for images/video, while the other would be for touch typing or writing with stylus and possibly eInk.

The thing about two screens with different functions is.... it's just as easy (maybe easier) to replicate that with just ONE screen using software alone.

I agree (if everyone else can put away the vapour vs real and Msoft vs Apple talk for a second) that the Gizmodo demo looks great. But it's great because the Journal style app shown works well as a book format. So would an eBook reader app.

What will it look like when you want to watch a movie or look at your photos? Everything will be HALF the size... unless you don't mind a one inch gutter down the middle. Same goes for any application where you might want to view and edit a larger image or document. What's a web page going to look like? Just smaller, on one screen, or cut in half on two?

The only advantage I see to the book format is that you get a smaller footprint when it's closed. Only when it's closed.

You mentioned paperbacks. Well yes, a closed "Courier" might be around the size of a small paperback novel. However a larger slate style device need only be the size of a slightly larger paperback. eg. I have a Visual Quickstart Guide from Peachpit Press on my desk. It's only nine inches by seven. Could easy fit a nine inch screen (maybe 10 at a squeeze) in a device that size.
post #109 of 224
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

I like the split home button that folds in the middle yet has no seam. Amazing technology. Should be here by Thanksgiving.

Although I found this funny, it seems you are wrong now that I've looked into it:



The bit in the middle is the frame, the hinge folds around it. It's sort of like the binding in a book. The product looks amazing, would like to see the real thing.
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post #110 of 224
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Originally Posted by NonVendorFan View Post

I prefer to read Ars Technica because it's unbiased reporting and covers all OS's and mobile. The writing is great and the overall input to the articles are constructive.
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Read more and try to comprehend. It doesn't show in your posts here.
post #111 of 224
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post #112 of 224
As Steve Ballmer has said, "It doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine"
post #113 of 224
I'd like to see the real things as well and not an animation of "the real thing"
post #114 of 224
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Originally Posted by NonVendorFan View Post

Probably because I have a life and rarely spend that much time in these rooms.

I prefer to read Ars Technica because it's unbiased reporting and covers all OS's and mobile. The writing is great and the overall input to the articles are constructive.
The Apple articles aren't full of Nut Jobs praising the ground Steve Jobs walks on and don't generally believe everything that Apple spews.

I hit all the rooms Mac/PC and Open Source in about 1/2 and hour to an hour every few days. Debating what color the next iAnything is and wishing Balmer from MS would die isn't a part of my daily habits.

Do you make naive comments on every thread on major websites? I've been reading your comments on the last few stories and you don't know what you're talking about. In thread on HTML5 you got many things wrong. When those things got pointed out to you, you changed your arguments and made new ones that were equally ridiculous. When legitimate questions were posed to you, you did not bother to answer them.

In this thread you make equally ridiculous claims. Why is it a big deal that a rumor that Palm will be brought out by Nokia? It's another nonsensical comment that you are posting. The Pre's haven't been selling very well and while they've beat expectations, it was only because they were set so low. Nobody has been switching providers to get this device or leaving the iPhone for that matter. Do you really believe that while Nokia is building up their OS and their Ovi app store that they are suddenly going to adapt the WebOS platform on all their upcoming devices and dump their lousy OS in which they've already poured millions of dollars into research for? If Nokia ever bought Palm's WebOS it would likely be restricted to Palm's products for the foreseeable future and create a more fractured Nokia brand than there already is.

As for your comments on the Surface, it's already considered by many people to be a failure. It has had many issues with stability with software, extremely expensive and has outdated hardware in the way it uses multitouch. You like to say that Apple overcharges for everything. Because Snow Leopard was such a cheap upgrade, Microsoft has had to reduce the upgrade price for Windows 7 with the catch being it's only for students. The whole visual Windows 7 experience is basically copying Mac OS and we've had it for years and at a much cheaper price.

BTW exactly how much do you think a multitouch tablet with two screens, using bleeding edge tech will cost? Microsoft doesn't charge cheap prices for their OS either. Chances are it will be well out of your price range and most people's as well unless they are willing to cut costs on hardware.
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As Steve Ballmer has said, "It doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine"

haha. People have Blackberrys for email now though.
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

yes, but that's even a distorted projection of success at that! Companies very deliberately (sometimes) create a false sense of success by creating their own demand by producing fewer than demand. By doing this they can create buzz about how they "sold out in just 8 hours of being released"...yeah, because you didn't make enough in the first place and now everyone wants one because they think it's the new hot item on demand and they all need to be on a waiting list for it...

except in this case, apple's 1 product has a 30% market share in the smart phone market and as they ramp up production, they use that capacity to expand into other countries. In addition, between the iPhone and iPods, Apple already uses the majority of the world wide flash ram capacity, creating a world wide shortage in NAND ram. So in this case, there is a constraint on just how fast Apple can make more iPhones.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090914PD204.html
post #117 of 224
Nice video to demo a bunch of touch UI concepts that have been in play for several years now. However:

Its clearly not a real product or anything near.
Its clearly a spoiler to keep the troops morale up before the Apple launch
Microsoft are not going to manufacture it - they are hoping one of their 'partners' will
Does anybody think that MS could actually develop a UI that smooth? (more accurately, manage the development)
At least two years out ie. a year too late.
post #118 of 224
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Originally Posted by wally626 View Post

Apple had this idea a long time ago.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4928842683632#

It was called the Knowledge Navigator. Everything is a little larger and clunkier than Ives would design today, but it is a folding computer with two screens in a portable format.

That guy in Apple's "KN" tablet (not the actual human), kind of reminds me of AT&T's video guy. The only dif, the Apple guy is not tilting his head!

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post #119 of 224
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Although I found this funny, it seems you are wrong now that I've looked into it:



The bit in the middle is the frame, the hinge folds around it. It's sort of like the binding in a book. The product looks amazing, would like to see the real thing.

Glass on glass or monitor on monitor, let's hope no FOD gets in there to scratch things up...

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Merely just making corrections.

Redundancy there. (Just making corrections).
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