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post #1 of 43
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Since two or three threads I've read involve United States vs. Europe lashings I thought I'd make a new thread for you all to get your aggressions out.

I'll even supply some topics to branch off of.

1) Does Europe suck or what?

2) Hey what about the Rennaisance thing that was cool...

3) Rock n' Roll... its up there...

4) Isaac Newton was European hrmm...

5) The death penalty originated in Europe and what about Vlad the impaler he ran his own European country (for all you death penalty fans out there).

6) Claudia Schiffer, Heidi Klum, 'nuff said about that.

7) The French suck, they're European.

8) European cars kick ass.

Ok I'm done playing devil's advocate... have fun

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Philip studies physics. ]</p>
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post #2 of 43
I agree in spades!
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post #3 of 43
I like European (German) cars (I've had several VW's and a BMW)! I've been to Europe a few times mostly in Portugal and Spain. I want to visit England and Germany though. But the attitiudes of some Europeans really rubs me the wrong way. Especially the common thinking in France and Scandanavia and their anti-US perceptions. But we have people like that her in the US so I guess it's not a European thing.
post #4 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Philip studies physics.:
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7) The French suck, they're European.

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Philip studies physics. ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
true, they suck and they love complaining, but they are not more anti-americans than others european country (at the exception of great-britain of course
post #5 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong> But the attitiudes of some Europeans really rubs me the wrong way. Especially the common thinking in France and Scandanavia and their anti-US perceptions..</strong><hr></blockquote>
In words may be , you know french people are the specialist of the negative thinking and complaining, but in act , France in all major conflicts is behind the US : iracq, bosnia, afghanistan ...
Acts are more important than words.
post #6 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Especially the common thinking in France and Scandanavia and their anti-US perceptions. But we have people like that her in the US so I guess it's not a European thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then you must have seen something last time you were here that I don´t see :confused: Where did you get your view on our "common thinking" from? I disagree in a lot of issues with the US political system and what I understand is the general view of the population. And I like to argue about it on an informative basis. But I am not anti-US in any sense.

Precisely what do you mean with anti-US perceptions? The only here for instance from scandinavia who was anti-US was that swedish cat before The Great Breakdown. New and I argue against certaint issues not against US in general.
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post #7 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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Then you must have seen something last time you were here that I don´t see :confused: Where did you get your view on our "common thinking" from? I disagree in a lot of issues with the US political system and what I understand is the general view of the population. And I like to argue about it on an informative basis. But I am not anti-US in any sense.

Precisely what do you mean with anti-US perceptions? The only here for instance from scandinavia who was anti-US was that swedish cat before The Great Breakdown. New and I argue against certaint issues not against US in general.</strong><hr></blockquote>
keep cool , Anders this thread is just a provocation, perhaps this thread is an allusion about threads like "why all americans are so stupid". I don't reply to this thread because this type of thread doesn't merit a hundred of replies.
post #8 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Philip studies physics.:
<strong>

7) The French suck, they're European.

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Philip studies physics. ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
do you write this especially for me or for an other french member of AI ?

post #9 of 43
I don't think Europeans all suck but everyone of my friends that have been to France said that when they tell people (strangers or shop keepers, not family) they are American, they get treated rudely, tricked, and taken advantage of. I've had similar experiences in Europe too. In the USA, 99% of the time, we treat our tourists with respect and hospitality. Now I've also heard that some friends that have been to other parts of Europe (Germany, England, Denmark, Switzerland, ...) get great hospitality and people are mostly nice, warm, and helpful to strangers.
post #10 of 43
I dunno but I'd love to spend the fall photographing the Spanish countryside... one day maybe....
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post #11 of 43
I like the shoes over there. I should have bought some but I was being a tight wad when I was in Amsterdam.
post #12 of 43
France is worthless. They also stink. Is there a French word for 'soap' or 'shower'? ......................
post #13 of 43
Man that reminds me. I have this friend from Romania. Guy stunk all the time. Since he got married his wife cleaned him up. But one day we asked him about it.

Americans: Hey how come you Europeans don't shower all the time.

Romanian: You Americans are obsessed with cleanliness.

Americans: That's bullshit.

Romanian: No it's true. You are trying to wash the blood of the Indians and former slaves off your hands.

Okay he got us good on that one were laughing our ass off now but I shoot back

Me: What about the Jews man. You Europeans killed off all the Jews.

Romanian: The Germans are a very clean people.

Oh man he fucking had us at every turn. They were the best comebacks I've ever heard.
post #14 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by steve666:
<strong>France is worthless. They also stink. Is there a French word for 'soap' or 'shower'? ......................</strong><hr></blockquote>
Strange paradox, french have not word for soap or shower, they suck, they scrooge americans peoples, but it is the more visited country in the world (or the second behind the us i don't remember).
post #15 of 43
Europe is OK - they have more nude beaches.
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post #16 of 43
Perhaps the problem is that all the smart Europeans live here and are now called Americans. The rest of you didn't have the guts to leave and now envy the ones who did.

[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>
post #17 of 43
That may have been true but Europe is a lot better place than it was 30 years ago or even 20 years ago. All my fater's brothers came here at the same time from Portugal and france because of the situation there. Few jobs and they didn't pay well. they would see that their older brother lived like a king here in the states and came over. But you go there now and it's totally different. i think the whole European Union initiative helped with that.
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I think the americans should be very carefull at pointing at their ancestors, or did you guys not realize all white's over there came from Europe, all blacks from Africa, only the indians etc etc etc.

Did you guys knew New York was previously named Nieuw Amsterdam, don't you know that a lot of areas are named after dutch cities like Harlem, dutch city Haarlem etc etc...

You guys say bad things about France, I've been on vacation for more than 10 times to France, it's by far the most beautiful country in Europe. I have only met really nice and helpful people... bad is they hardly speak any other language than french..

But if you go to big cities (where I've never been in France) I'm sure people aren't that nice, same as in all other countries.

You guys expect people to act and react the same as where you're coming from...

Yeah, and I shower twice a day!!
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post #19 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by sapi:
<strong>Yeah, and I shower twice a day!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You must be German.
post #20 of 43
no Scott, I'm sorry to say this, but I don't like Germany at all. That's because of history I guess..

and Germans dig deep deep holes on my beach...
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post #21 of 43
What's your dirt doing on their whole?

Why are the Germans digging in your beach?
post #22 of 43
that's one very good question Scott...
better ask the germans... maybe it has something to do with terratoriums (bad spelling??)
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post #23 of 43
Scott H, that is an awsome conversation! That guy has great comebacks.

I think that tis important here to point out that while the Americans are a "very clean people" some polution studies should be put up as well...

Canadians in the meanwhile are a healthy median, and completley convinced that they are the meek who shall inherit the earth ("I love this, because when they get it Im gonna push them down and take it. Hell, they're meek, a wimp could kick their ass" - some comic). I really wonder about the Canadian superiority mentallity some times.

As for the Europeans, they are cool. yes the French are snobby, but they have a right to be, they're French goddamn it! The Brits... well... go watch the family guy (Then we'll just have to talk you out with our superior conversation skills").
But if you ever wind up on a little island country called Malta you will never again bad mouth the Europeans as a whole. The people are the friendliest Ive ever met, they have NO crime, I dont htink that I ever saw a cop, everything is cheap, the climate is good, they have a good university... its a truely amazing place. In fact it took the reign from Panhachelle, Guatemala (or Gringo Tanango as it was known to locals) for being my favorite place.
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No Europe or the U.S. do not suck.

You know what sucks, is having a lousy job with no future and be condemned to stay at it for years until you find another lousy job, the fact that doctors and nurses would leave a woman in the snow just outside the emergency room in the middle of winter because an ambulance had to bring her to the door (rules are more important than people), children being abused, waiting lists that endanger the health of people (until a woman has to have a masectomy because she had to wait a long time); people stabbing each other in the back all the time; people making crude remarks (but politely) about people from another race; dealing with people who hates Americans and can't see what is good in them; being told all the time that the country you live in is so superior to anyone else on earth even though it is not true; dealing with 28% illiteracy (I am talking about being able to function properly in society); a general begging its government for help in Rwanda and being ignore which cost the lives of 800,000 people; the waste of natural resources; pollution; lousy transit systems (less serious but annoying); people with no culture or manners; not being able to trust people. I guess I am talking about Canada.
post #26 of 43
Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

Perhaps 'Jane' should exercise that right and find a place without problems instead of slandering this country at every opportunity.
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post #27 of 43
What.

PS: Sorry, Italy is more beautiful than France.

PPS: The only person who was ever rude to me in France was another American.

PPPS: I've always had a pleasant time in Canada.

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
post #28 of 43
So, is Canada more like Europe or the US?
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post #29 of 43
Quebec is very much like France when it comes to arrogance.

And the rest much more like the U.K. when it comes to not knowing on what leg you should dance.

And the technology and TV, and music, and movies are very much American.

To Mac:

I would love to leave Canada, just get me a Green Card or an U.K. work permit and I am gone so you will never hear the truth again in your life; wouldn't that be nice. And you will be happy to continue and hate Americans and others that do not agree with you.
post #30 of 43
What is it with ex-pats and wannabe ex-pats from Calgary? (I know another woman from Calgary who now lives in LA -- her job might be cut BTW)

[nevermind. too far off the point. the euphoria of having a break from work got to me.]

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
post #31 of 43
Why are you unable to get those permits yourself? Is it the Canadian Conspiracy at it again?
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post #32 of 43
No I have not been able to do it.

But young Canadians like you who cannot stand criticism often think it is a simple thing to do when it is not.
post #33 of 43
[quote]But young Canadians like you who cannot stand criticism often think it is a simple thing to do when it is not.<hr></blockquote>

Yours was hardly a list of valid criticisms. It was an unreasoned, jingoistic rant.

[quote]I would love to leave Canada, just get me a Green Card or an U.K. work permit and I am gone so you will never hear the truth again in your life; wouldn't that be nice.<hr></blockquote>

If memory serves, there are slightly more than three nations in the world. Oh wait - I've heard this before...

Haven't most of us Americans, Britons and Canadians already met "Jane"? You know, individuals whose grossly bleak descriptions of their country betray their lax-mindedness and privileged reality? People who envision the end of their troubles as simply running away to a better land - yet who are of such meagre intelligence and initiative, that they can think only of moving to (surprise!) another English-speaking nation; the daily life and popular culture of which they may adopt with a minimum amount of effort? A place with - but of course - all the advantages of the developed world, which - but of course - they expect to enjoy?

As though this laziness and utter lack of critical thinking didn't speak volumes about their finger-pointing - or their chances of suddenly finding perfect bliss elsewhere. What a colossal joke.

Oh! And how the ineffectuality of pushing paper in hopes of realizing the promised land is taken as yet another example of the impossible oppression of their wretched nation - how convenient. It's no use! There's no hope! We're all irretrievably horrid and all partners in the ruse!

So here we have it now, ladies and gentlemen - the Battlecry of the New Republic: Give me unfailingly faultless health-care and ready access to hobbyist websites or give me death! Thank you so very much, dear Jane...now let us hear from those in the world who have no such thing as freedom of expression. Hello? Hello? Ah, well. Back to you then:

[quote]And you will be happy to continue and hate Americans and others that do not agree with you.<hr></blockquote>

Oh, right. Mac The Fork hates Americans. Because Canadians hate Americans. I suppose I do as well. Hey Mac, remind me once in a while, alright?


Cheers,

Mark.

[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: Mark ]</p>
post #34 of 43
Jane sure reminds me a lot of a gal named Monique.
post #35 of 43
whats wrong with Canada? I always thought of Canada as being a clean USA. Of course you have the frogs to be a thorn in your side. Split off the French side and you've got a groovy country...................
post #36 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by steve666:
<strong>whats wrong with Canada? I always thought of Canada as being a clean USA. Of course you have the frogs to be a thorn in your side. Split off the French side and you've got a groovy country...................</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't say clean.. I've been in some pretty nasty parts of Canada in my time.
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post #37 of 43
Actually, Quebec (city) and Montreal are two of the highlights IMO.
post #38 of 43
Again it is not like in the tourist brochure. It is not cleaner; if you go to Toronto and Montreal you will dirt everywhere and sadly homeless people.

I am not slandering and I have the right to my opinion you are happy in your little world more power to you. I am not and I am still trying to get a company to sponsor me. Hopefully in a few you will be happy to see me go. Those things are from my point of view like the perfect world you live in is from you point of view. You can throw any numbers you wish; I have met too many people who think like I do.
post #39 of 43
I've spent a few month in Canada (mostly Montreal and toronto) and it was quite pleasant. Like a 51st state of America. Canada and the US are very very similar culturally.
post #40 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Sorry, Italy is more beautiful than France.

The only person who was ever rude to me in France was another American.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with the first point... Italy is awesome, and the food's better too!

Now about France. I've met several people who were quite friendly and nice but also people who were incredibly rude. Now keep in mind that the US has rude people too, its just that our rude people are a different type of rude.

The moral of the story: Visit France and then take a train through the Alps to Italy. Travel as much as you can, but make sure to go to Rome and Venice. (I also love Switzerland, but that's another story.) And Amsterdam's "fun" too.

If you're in Rome or Venice I am more than happy to recommend some great restaurants.
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