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post #201 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

YOur insults are soo clever and imaginative. Too bad you have nothing to add of consequence to the thread itself.
Matte is back and Apple's never going back!

You started the insults by calling me "dense."

If you can't take it - and you obviously can't, given your thin skin, as you have repeatedly shown with lots of people in this forum - don't dish it out.
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post #202 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:53pm
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Most users here. Most users over on MacRumors perhaps. most users in the whole market, probably not
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And the WINNER with the longest Post award 2009! Charlituna!

You'll need to wait a few weeks to claim your prize....
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post #203 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:54pm
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Let me ask you -Why is APple selling matte screens on the 17 " Pro- NOW?
Why did they quietly add matte to the 15" Pro - NOW?

You just answered your own question.
Apple offers matte screen on a MINORITY of their screen products because a MINORITY of their customers want it.
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post #204 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:54pm
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And because it can run every OS on the planet and do so faster and better than the other guys... It is everything we want and need.
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As your friend I must ask to put down the kool aid.

Call a cab and go home, you've had to much.
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post #205 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

My god- you're relentless. Thank god it's just not me.

You have seven posts between 8.52PM and 9.21PM.

Do you even know the meaning of the word 'relentless?' I thought not.
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post #206 of 486
9/24/09 at 6:59pm
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As your friend I must ask to put down the kool aid.

Call a cab and go home, you've had to much.



Can you see the red smile from there?
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post #207 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:06pm
The new mobile i7, Clarksfield, would work great in the iMac. But there are only three of them, they're expensive processors, and no integrated graphics work with them. That would really limit Apple's flexibility to offer different models, especially a cheap model.
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post #208 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

The new mobile i7, Clarksfield, would work great in the iMac. But there are only three of them, they're expensive processors, and no integrated graphics work with them. That would really limit Apple's flexibility to offer different models, especially a cheap model.

It would need to fill an i7 on a laptop type platform and that has been done. nVidia GTX280m works fine with the i7's. Sager NP9280 laptop comes i7, right now in fact.

Come to think of it that really would make true the "facts" about the upgrade we are hearing. GTX280m 512mb/1gb DDR3 is the current offerings for i7 based laptops...

The iMac will probably go chin-less, thin edges and a thicker back with a taper to hold everything.
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post #209 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

The new mobile i7, Clarksfield, would work great in the iMac. But there are only three of them, they're expensive processors, and no integrated graphics work with them. That would really limit Apple's flexibility to offer different models, especially a cheap model.

Actually, the mid-range Clarksfield chip is about the same price as the current Core 2 Duo's in the current iMacs. If anything, the Clarksfield processors are remarkably good performers at a reasonable price.

And... at the moment, considering the dispute between Intel and Nvidia... the only integrated graphics chip you'll be able to get in an Intel machine, will be from Intel themselves. I'm not sure if you're aware... but Intel graphics are far behind the competition. I'm not really sure you'd want an integrated Intel graphics chip. I certainly don't. I'd much rather have a speedier discrete GPU from Nvidia.
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post #210 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

The new mobile i7, Clarksfield, would work great in the iMac. But there are only three of them, they're expensive processors, and no integrated graphics work with them. That would really limit Apple's flexibility to offer different models, especially a cheap model.

They could put the mobile i7 on the top model (24" or 30"). The higher end iMacs have NVIDIA GPU anyway so doesn't really matter if no Intel integrated GPU works with the mobile i7.

And please bring back matte screen... one of the reason I still haven't get rid of my Core DUO 1st gen Intel iMac 20". Blu-ray will be nice since I have a few HD movies now for my HT (or at least give us an OSX update w/ Blu-ray drive support). Offer these 2 as order-to-build options is fine but please do make it happens

I really hope Apple will offer one w/ mobile i7 on board. Yes, not many apps will benefit by it at the moment but I'm one of those who keep a Mac/PC for more than a couple of years. I guess the next round of update of popular apps like Photoshop CS, etc. will make good use of multi-cores CPUs. So, something that can last a bit longer is fine by me.

BTW, I don't quite get the fetish on ever thinner/slimmer iMac/PC. On a laptop/netbook/tablet, yes, slimmer and lighter are better but on a desktop machine like the iMac? Who care? The current iMac form factor and size is fine IMHO. In fact, I think the size of my white 20" iMac is just fine thank you very much.
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post #211 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:31pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i7

The "M" series have low enough TDP to work in an iMac. Mobile CPU's they are but that's a high Thermal load to work with in the MacBook Pro's.
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post #212 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:48pm
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Actually, the mid-range Clarksfield chip is about the same price as the current Core 2 Duo's in the current iMacs. If anything, the Clarksfield processors are remarkably good performers at a reasonable price.

And... at the moment, considering the dispute between Intel and Nvidia... the only integrated graphics chip you'll be able to get in an Intel machine, will be from Intel themselves. I'm not sure if you're aware... but Intel graphics are far behind the competition. I'm not really sure you'd want an integrated Intel graphics chip. I certainly don't. I'd much rather have a speedier discrete GPU from Nvidia.

Couldn't have said it much better myself. Integrated graphics have very poor performance compared to even a modest or low end discrete graphics solution. They share slower system ram, and general blow chunks compared to their discrete counterparts, not to put too fine a point on it.
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post #213 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by QuadESL63 View Post

They could put the mobile i7 on the top model (24" or 30"). The higher end iMacs have NVIDIA GPU anyway so doesn't really matter if no Intel integrated GPU works with the mobile i7.

And please bring back matte screen... one of the reason I still haven't get rid of my Core DUO 1st gen Intel iMac 20". Blu-ray will be nice since I have a few HD movies now for my HT (or at least give us an OSX update w/ Blu-ray drive support). Offer these 2 as order-to-build options is fine but please do make it happens

I really hope Apple will offer one w/ mobile i7 on board. Yes, not many apps will benefit by it at the moment but I'm one of those who keep a Mac/PC for more than a couple of years. I guess the next round of update of popular apps like Photoshop CS, etc. will make good use of multi-cores CPUs. So, something that can last a bit longer is fine by me.

BTW, I don't quite get the fetish on ever thinner/slimmer iMac/PC. On a laptop/netbook/tablet, yes, slimmer and lighter are better but on a desktop machine like the iMac? Who care? The current iMac form factor and size is fine IMHO. In fact, I think the size of my white 20" iMac is just fine thank you very much.

Agree. Time spent trying to make a stationary desktop unit thinner is wasted development cycles IMO. It is already pleasing in form..I hope they concentrate more on performance features.
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post #214 of 486
9/24/09 at 7:56pm
Speaking of chips... Apple did purchase a chip design company. Maybe they have something to show off and that's the big news that apparently isn't 'authorized' to be let out.

One reason I love these forums... I actually thought people were wrong that the back of the current iMacs were black plastic. I was a little embarrassed to peek back there and realize, for the first time, how not-exactly-beautiful the rear end is.

Well, maybe Apple will carve the next one out of a solid block of aluminum as well. And this time they''ll remember to color-match the cables and keys.
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post #215 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by nonimus View Post

I hope there will be an Intel i5 750 or (preferably) an i7 860.
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I'd like to know who's been talking to Apple about the need for a thinner enclosure. I really can't imagine that the numbers asking for that aren't a slim fraction of the numbers wanting a DESKTOP quad processor and better video card.

Apple really wants to make the computer invisible. They simply don't think of it as a speed comparison to others. They want to provide the star-trek experience And generally as they define the whole experience they can get away with providing the hardware they want.

But for people wanting a faster option - particularly for video editing - Macs become VERY expensive.

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Why not just make a Mac Pro Mini - with a mini aluminum enclosure with the opportunity for owners to make some hardware upgrades instead of being sealed off like most Apple products.

I agree actually. Or a MacMini Pro
They could potentially abandon the current MacMini and go for a cube-like device with faster processor etc.

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You'd think Apple would want to exploit Snow Leopard's Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL with new, capable hardware -- at the consumer level.

I suspect OpenCL is their key technology in the consumer space, and in conjunction with an updated iMovie will be able to compile movies more quickly too.

I would like a faster machine without the extra cost though (who wouldn't?)
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post #216 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by xwiredtva View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i7

The "M" series have low enough TDP to work in an iMac. Mobile CPU's they are but that's a high Thermal load to work with in the MacBook Pro's.

People keep saying this, but take a look at the new 15-inch HP Envy... http://www.hp.com/united-states/camp...nvy/index.html

If HP can manage the TDP, why can't Apple? The HP Envy even looks like a Macbook Pro... not to mention, you get an i7 quad-core Clarksfield inside, and at well under $2K.
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post #217 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:17pm
Really pleased to hear that the iMac is getting a refresh, a bit surprised it's so soon after the previous iMac's got released in March.

What would make me buy one is:
(1) LED Backlit Panel
(2) Blu-ray Drive

and these are optional but would be great to have:
(1) Quad-Core or Dual-Core with HT
(2) New refreshed Keyboard (backlit, black keys)
(3) New refreshed Mighty Mouse.
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post #218 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by CdnBook View Post

People keep saying this, but take a look at the new 15-inch HP Envy... http://www.hp.com/united-states/camp...nvy/index.html

If HP can manage the TDP, why can't Apple? The HP Envy even looks like a Macbook Pro... not to mention, you get an i7 quad-core Clarksfield inside, and at well under $2K.

True and with how piss-poor PC engineers are with cooling systems I guess they could do it.

It's not available yet but you make a valid point, very valid.

Something that crossed my head (since the sleeping pills are on 2hrs and WORKING) the new iMac could go Unibody 100% to decrease depth and increase thermal handling.
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post #219 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:34pm
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Oh, I think it's pretty clear what they are saying. The average American is dumb and can't figure out that a $1500 computer is better than a $300 netbook if it looks all pretty and has a big shiny Apple logo on it.

Please, even my mother-in-law and grandmother can read the spec card on a display and are able to compare one computer to another and if there is something they don't understand, they know enough to ask someone who is knowledgeable and have them help them buy the "better" computer.


Man, when you decide someone is "against you" you really kinda lose your shit, don't you?

So you think people who buy Apple's wares are stupid, you have nothing but contempt for anyone who thinks otherwise, yet here you are, posting angrily on an Apple enthusiast site.

I would urge you to figure out what you like, even love, and think about that. Talk to people who share your interests. It's really a better way to live. Goodbye.
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post #220 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Whatever Apple does, JUST GET RID OF THE MIRRORED/GLOSSY SCREENS. PLEASE!!

Or, at the very least, offer matte as an option. AND OFFER IT AS A REAL SCREEN, not some tack-on film.

I'll be buying at least two iMacs once non-mirrored screens are available again.

Amen!

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post #221 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:37pm
One thing that really needs to happen is the death of the integrated graphics with shared memory. That is a piece of shit technology that refuses to go away.

On a note, glossy screens suffer from glare, but looking at a matte finish screen after getting used to glossy is horrible. The picture quality in terms of contrast, brightness, etc. is just bad on the matte. Matte might be fine for road warriors. YMMV.
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post #222 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:42pm
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One thing that really needs to happen is the death of the integrated graphics with shared memory. That is a piece of shit technology that refuses to go away.

With OpenCL, you'd have to think that Apple is testing their combined CPU+graphics hardware with future overall performance in mind.

So any new iMac hardware should be, I hope, particularly ready for SnowLeopard & future Quicktime/iMovie needs.
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post #223 of 486
9/24/09 at 8:54pm
Apologies - I have yet to read everyones replies to this article.

Therefore, if someone could please sum up the following, I'd be most grateful:

When is the exact date these new machines are going to be released, and what are their exact features?

Thanks in advance!!!
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post #224 of 486
9/24/09 at 9:07pm
-- Far too soon.

--They will suck balls.

Or so I gather.
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post #225 of 486
9/24/09 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Apologies - I have yet to read everyones replies to this article.
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When is the exact date these new machines are going to be released, and what are their exact features?

I get that you didn't read the replies, but did you even read the article?
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post #226 of 486
9/24/09 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by trboyden View Post

Umm, and you'd be wrong on that - CPU Performance Benchmark Chart:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Perhaps you only look at synthetic benchmarks. but if you ever read REAL tests from Anandtech and others, you will see that real world performance rarely has anything to do with those.
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post #227 of 486
9/24/09 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

That's something I'd expect to hear from Dell.

When there are a tiring amount of complaints, Apple should listen.

It's tiring HERE, the public doesn't give a lick.
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post #228 of 486
9/24/09 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by trboyden View Post

Again, pot, meet kettle

Ok you two guys, cut it out.
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post #229 of 486
9/24/09 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

OMG- not you too!!!
OK here goes:-= Almost 2 1/2 years ago there was like this new invention from Apple called (let me remember)- oh yes, the iPhone!
And wouldn't you know this caused a lot of- switchers!!. Also in this period there was something released from Microsoft (what was it called?) - oh yes- VISTA!!!!
Both of these caused - what? ANs: A ton of SWITCHERS!!! Got it?
This cause more Mac - BUYERS!!! got it!! Glossy screened iMacs were the only new iMacs available in that period.
You don't need a degree in brain surgery to figure this out.
JEESH!

I don't think the iPhone argument works here. as soon as the new iMacs came out, sales went up by a good percentage. That was too coincidental.
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post #230 of 486
9/24/09 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

I believe Intel has officially introduced i7 platform for notebooks recently, so there is no reason why iMacs wouldn't have any.

Well, no real reason at least \

You mean any reason other than the fact that the mobile i7 tops out at 2.0GHz and costs $1000 while the desktop goes up to 3.33GHz and is priced firmly in 3 digit territory.

Nobody wants a better processor at a lower price do they?
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post #231 of 486
9/25/09 at 12:12am
Wow, new iMacs will have new features. How did they come up with that all on their own?

If there is a Blu Ray drive, it will be dog slow. The current slot loader is only 2x for Blu Ray recording speed. The drives are also $999, so expect a nice big price increase on that iMac. You don't need an update to OS X for Blu Ray. Roxio has has Blu Ray recording support for years. The external drive offers 12x Blu Ray recording speed at half the price. So for all of you begging Apple to offer a Blu Ray drive in an iMac, get ready for performance disappointment. Just buy the external drive and stop whining about it already. Next, you will complain about the high price for blank Blu Ray media.
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post #232 of 486
9/25/09 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Apologies - I have yet to read everyones replies to this article.

Therefore, if someone could please sum up the following, I'd be most grateful:

When is the exact date these new machines are going to be released, and what are their exact features?

Thanks in advance!!!

Give me a break. Apple doesn't release information about new models, nor do they announce product release dates for Macs. Of course new iMacs would be coming out, it is the near to the holiday season. Yes, they will probably be slightly faster than the models released last March, and they would probably have similar price points.
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post #233 of 486
9/25/09 at 12:23am
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I was having a similar argument with my brother the other day. I was complaining about Apple's decision to pull the ExpressCard slot from their 15" MacBook Pro. He says that no one uses those slots. I said that music, video and design pros use the things and I'll be damned if there isn't a good number of them that would want to throw an eSATA card in there (especially the video guys).

You are so full of it. Less than 1% of customers used the ExpressCard slot. I have never used the PC card slot in my PowerBook G4. it is a worthless slot for 99% of the consumers. Music and Video pros use FireWire for their devices, not an ExpressCard slot. I bet you want the floppy disk back too.
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post #234 of 486
9/25/09 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Goddbye- you fugly racconed iMac. Begone with the black border once and for all. I've been waiting 3 years for this. Bring on a new mouse and cord to match. Hopefully the cheap black plasticy Dell back is history too. A blu-ray of course. It pays to wait. This has been a great year for me with Apple:
1.) iPhone 3Gs- video and speed
2.) 13" MacBook Pro- firewire.
3,) New iMac- blu-ray, new design. matte perhaps or at least less gloss?

Enough of your matte rant. You don't own any of the those products, but you sure like to bitch about them, and it is getting fucking old! You have never owned an iPhone, and you refuse to use a Mac with a glossy screen, so you are constantly talking out of your ass!

The glossy LCD screen finally brings back the clarity of the Trinitron monitors, which was an Apple staple of high quality (are you even old enough to remember the AppleColor RGB High Resolution Monitor? That was made of glass too). The matte LCD was always fuzzy, because that is the downside of a matte screen. The original Apple Cinema LCD Displays were higher quality than the ones used in the iMacs, but they were still fuzzy. Put the glossy LCD next to a matte LCD and you can clearly see the difference in clarity. Colors are much more vivid without the washed-out look on matte. The Matte screen sucks ass compared to the glossy. That is why the PC world transitioned much sooner than Apple did.

So you are just kidding yourself if you think matte is a better display. The Aluminum iMacs are way better looking and more solid than the white plastic iMac G5/Early Intels.

But I am sure you will complain about the new models, like you always do.
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post #235 of 486
9/25/09 at 12:54am
As pretty looking as they might be- and they're damn pretty- I simply can't deal with the reflections of the glass-covered screen. Matte (or anti-glare, whatever Apple calls it these days), despite not having quite as vibrant color or looking, has a huge advantage for me: it's not a mirror!

Matte's biggest pro is that it lets you see the display clearly in nearly all situations and conditions, as opposed to the people and things surrounding you. That's of more use to me than having somewhat deeper blacks and a prettier case.
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post #236 of 486
9/25/09 at 1:18am
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I really, really, really hope the dual core thing will be only for the base 20" model at most... if Apple doesn't come with a decent quad-core processor inside (Core i5 or the mobile Core i7) than this is just plain sad. Every bigger and smaller company is introducing a quad-core notebooks and Apple having the brand new multi-processor optimised Snow Leopard OS and then a sad old slow dual core processor in a revamped iMac body... please don't... please please dont! Apple can do so much better...

Agreed 100% on point!
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post #237 of 486
9/25/09 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by Leonard View Post

You're kidding right?

They put computers and TVs on everything these days, they're even on fridges.

Why put a computer in a kitchen:

- music jukebox
- a replacement for TV or movies
- for searching up recipes or storing recipes
- for displaying daily weather and news
- to control lighting/HVAC/window blinds
... and the list goes on...

A purely U.S. thing. No one in Europe does this in the kitchen. No one at least I know personally, I have read or heard about.

So, no, he is not kidding. For the rest of us it is something really unusual.
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9/25/09 at 3:20am
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Well then we'll have to assume that PC buyers also find the available desktop offerings "pretty weak", because laptop sales have overtaken desktop sales in that market as well, a trend that appears to be accelerating.

I must admit, I haven't check the exact figures for the most recent Quarterly results, but, about a year ago, then the Global Market was 50:50 Laptop : Desktop, Apple was about 60:40 Laptop : Desktop
- I would argue that this meant that if Apples Desktops were as appealing as their Laptops, then they would be able to sell 50% more desktops.

So I think this bears out my personal feeling that the Apple Desktop range is not as strong, or appealling as its Laptop range.

But there are lots of good reasons why Apple would concentrate on Laptops, and non-user-configurable Desktops - e.g. there are propably a lot fewer support calls for products where the user is not expected to open up the machine and add an unsupported GPU of some sort....
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9/25/09 at 3:26am
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

The new mobile i7, Clarksfield, would work great in the iMac. But there are only three of them, they're expensive processors, and no integrated graphics work with them. That would really limit Apple's flexibility to offer different models, especially a cheap model.

A cheap model will presumably still use the old 9400M + Core 2 Duo setup.

All the Clarkfield models (if this processor is used) will use a discrete graphics chip (NVIDIA or ATI, ATI has some nice GPUs but do they have Apple OpenCL drivers yet?) attached to the CPU via PCIe, and an Intel chipset (P55) for I/O. Memory controller is on the CPU as well.

This is perfectly acceptable for a late-2009 iMac.

And personally, I'm not buying a 24" Core 2 Duo iMac with Nehalem based CPUs on the market.
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9/25/09 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by talksense101 View Post

One thing that really needs to happen is the death of the integrated graphics with shared memory. That is a piece of shit technology that refuses to go away.

AMD's integrated chipsets support their own local memory bus. But they're only available for AMD's processors.

They do this not for performance, but for power savings - the framebuffer is stored on the sideport memory and thus the CPU can go to sleep entirely whilst the graphics keeps on displaying. With Intel-style shared memory framebuffers and on-CPU northbridges (as with Nehalem, Clarksfield, etc), the CPU (or a portion thereof) is kept awake by the framebuffer accesses.
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