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post #401 of 486
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That depends on what they want to emphasize. 16:9 is cheap because HD video is 16:9. If you're viewing HD video, it's perfect. If you're authoring video, it's not. You'd like some space for the editing interface. Apple, of course, has skin in that game.

Apple has been using unorthodox screen sizes since the Titanium Powerbook's odd 3:2 ratio. If they cost more? Apple's a premium brand. If Apple does adopt 16:9 it will be on the consumer machines only. The professional machines can soak the extra cost, especially in the quantities that Apple orders displays.

With the iMac, I think Apple will avoid that being a Pro machine as far as possible. Meaning, 16:9 for viewing, not authoring HD video. iMac will be as consumer a desktop as possible, in Apple's eyes. As for the MacBook Pros, I think those are safely 16:10 for another year or so, while the MacBook white may be 16:9 in this coming revision. Wait, scratch that, I think besides the iMac no other displays will be 16:9 for another year or so.

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The one problem is that while they're prevalent in in the TN ranks, you don't see a lot of IPS displays with a 16:9 panel yet. The only one can think is the brand new 23" from NEC. It does come with a pretty considerable price decrease versus 16:9 IPS screen though. Then again, its lower resolution than the new 23" TN screens.

I think Apple will not use IPS displays in their iMac 16:9 LED backlit panels. IMO. Apple could be offsetting the cost of LED backlighting by using purely TN panels.

All this speculation is making my head hurt. I'm getting future hardware overload after this past few weeks.
post #402 of 486
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Do you ever get tired of taking Apple's position no matter what it is? They could offer only the $999 macbook for $5000, cut out all third party software, and require you to drive to Cupertino for service and they'd still be in the right with you.

LOL. Heh.

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post #403 of 486
Ben, I caught your post. I have to say I agree with your comments.

I think everyone seems to forget that the 'candy' iMacs had 3 models under a grand at one point! And only a couple over!

There was plenty of overlap for a 'Cube' prosumer machine. But Apple and yes, Steve Jobs, stuffed it up by being, YES, the outrageous margin huggers that they are. History.

However, it points to the design flaw of the iMac trying to be all things to all people.

It has no right being in a prosumer price bracket unless it has the latest quad core technology.

It costs £1800 for quad core Apple Macs. That is outrageous.

PCs have consumer priced quad cores starting at £260 for a duo build and about £60 pound to upgrade to quad core.

I look at the Mini, iMac and Pro and shake me head. Reality bending insane. Still, no arguing Apple are selling iMacs.

I'd argue they'd sell more, more often with up to date specs.

I guess we won't know until Apple ships the iMac.

But maybe they need add the mid-tower design to complement the desktop range?

Maybe they need to split the iMac into a 'cheapo' Macbook version and a proper prosumer 'specced' out version with a decent quad core and gpu. If that means adding thickness. I'm for it.

So be it. For me, the next iMac can't be another side-grade. Something Has to give this time.

Until consumers complain more, or Apple fan bois stands up and let Apple have it...or stop buying outdated junk...then will things change?

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post #404 of 486
[QUOTE=Lemon Bon Bon.;1494394]Ben, I caught your post. I have to say I agree with your comments.

"Maybe they need to split the iMac into a 'cheapo' Macbook version and a proper prosumer 'specced' out version with a decent quad core and gpu. If that means adding thickness. I'm for it.

So be it. For me, the next iMac can't be another side-grade. Something Has to give this time."

I totally agree! Who cares for a few more mm or kg, if it is about a descent updated machine to handle home and semi-pro stuff in 2010? Even if it would cost 10% more from todays' prices, i would go for it!

[QUOTE=Lemon Bon Bon.;
post #405 of 486
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

With the iMac, I think Apple will avoid that being a Pro machine as far as possible. Meaning, 16:9 for viewing, not authoring HD video. iMac will be as consumer a desktop as possible, in Apple's eyes. As for the MacBook Pros, I think those are safely 16:10 for another year or so, while the MacBook white may be 16:9 in this coming revision. Wait, scratch that, I think besides the iMac no other displays will be 16:9 for another year or so.

The 24" iMac is definitely being pitched to professionals. If my hunch is right and the iMac line bifurcates the way the 'book lines have, I could see an even broader distinction between the "consumer" iMac and the "pro" iMac.

But then there's iMovie. Unless they switch it to a HUD-style interface, that pretty much necessitates 16:10. If Apple orders enough of them to justify their own production line (which is what they usually do) then price will not be much of an issue for them. They don't buy what the display makers offer: They tell the display makers what to make for them. They order in quantities that make that not only possible, but the obvious choice.

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I think Apple will not use IPS displays in their iMac 16:9 LED backlit panels. IMO. Apple could be offsetting the cost of LED backlighting by using purely TN panels.

All this speculation is making my head hurt. I'm getting future hardware overload after this past few weeks.

Or, they just won't bother with LED lighting for the 20" display until they can figure out how to make it economical.
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post #406 of 486
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The 24" iMac is definitely being pitched to professionals. If my hunch is right and the iMac line bifurcates the way the 'book lines have, I could see an even broader distinction between the "consumer" iMac and the "pro" iMac.

Well, my cousin was telling me how the local collage has a suite of 40 iMacs running Final Cut Pro. That kinda speaks for itself. If you have quad core i7 class power and any recent mainstream gpu...the iMac becomes the consumer desktop of choice...leaving the notion of paying £1800 and upwards...for people...who ah...'really think they need it.'

I hope it happens. It would appease the calls for an 'X-Mid-Tower' to a degree. I'm amazed we're still debating a consumer quad core and whether Apple will do it. Only serious Apple fans could delude themselves into thinking £1500 is ok for a computer to still be dual core on it's 3rd revision in light of the fact that quad-cores of many descriptions and prices have been common place in PC land for a while now!

It's like a bad dream I'll wake up from... I'd happily take a quad core i7 with decent gpu cube mid-tower with a single 'light port' cable jammed into a 24 inch LED Apple monitor. Now, that's what I'm talking about...der-rool. That would be my 'good dream' scenario.

Bifurcates.

We'll see, I guess...

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post #407 of 486
Could these specs be the real thing?

24-inch
1.6GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
640GB HD
8x double-layer SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT120 with 256 MB memory
$1,099

24-inch
1.73GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
8x double-layer SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT120 with 256 MB memory
$1,399

24-inch
1.73GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
6x double-layer Blu-Ray Disc SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT230 with 512 MB RAM memory
$1,599

30-inch
2GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
6x double-layer Blu-Ray Disc SuperDrive
SD card slot
Optional LED-backlit display
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700 with 512 MB memory
$2,599
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post #408 of 486
I've always questioned the wisdom of a 30" iMac. Where are the specs from? A rumour or just speculation?
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post #409 of 486
I saw it an another forum and although it's probably a Photoshop job, it seemed like it could be possible.
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post #410 of 486
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

Could these specs be the real thing?
24-inch
1.73GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
6x double-layer Blu-Ray Disc SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT230 with 512 MB RAM memory
$1,599

I'm in for this baby!!! Come to papa my sweet Core i7 LED backlit 24" iMac
post #411 of 486
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Originally Posted by matejay View Post

I'm in for this baby!!! Come to papa my sweet Core i7 LED backlit 24" iMac

I'm not too sure that I'd bite on the ones that Dhagan posted. The top end 24" only has a gt230? That seems a little too weak to me, the new HP laptops are sporting Radeon 4730's, which wouldn't be bad, still not great, but not bad at all...

Dave (I just sold my iMac, I really need a replacement ASAP.)
post #412 of 486
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I'm not too sure that I'd bite on the ones that Dhagan posted. The top end 24" only has a gt230? That seems a little too weak to me, the new HP laptops are sporting Radeon 4730's, which wouldn't be bad, still not great, but not bad at all...

I agree, the GT230 is a pathetic GPU. On the desktop, it's a re-branded 9600GT. I think the mobile version that would probably be used in an iMac is a 48-shader chip, which is even worse.
post #413 of 486
Guys, I'm just relaying what I've read...it wouldn't be un-Apple to use a shitty graphics card now would it?
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post #414 of 486
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

Guys, I'm just relaying what I've read...it wouldn't be un-Apple to use a shitty graphics card now would it?

No, it wouldn't be un-apple like at all, but the Machine I just got rid of was over 2 years old, and was using a 2600xt, which, was not more than just a little worse than the current Gt120, If I was looking for a decent card, the new machines would have at a minimum the 9600gt in the current MBPro's.

Apple obviously doesn't cater to gamers, they never have really, but at least include a decent low end card, something capable of running older/games that are about a year old. At a decent level. Heck, even as good as the old 8800gs would be nice. But really, How about doing something crazy and giving us at least a card that isn't more than a year old.... gt260? 265?

Dare to dream...
post #415 of 486
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

Guys, I'm just relaying what I've read...it wouldn't be un-Apple to use a shitty graphics card now would it?

No... no, that would be very Apple.
post #416 of 486
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No... no, that would be very Apple.

I'd almost prefer instead of Apple cutting prices, they put in a killer graphics card.

Oh yeah, that's right...it has to be thinner.
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post #417 of 486
Of course, the low end iMac has the same GPU as the Mini.

So even if the iMac's underpowered, Dhagan's specs would mean that the Mini would be that much closer to a real desktop machine.
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post #418 of 486
30-inch iMac with Quadro? Rubbish. No bl**dy way.

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Could these specs be the real thing?

24-inch
1.6GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
640GB HD
8x double-layer SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT120 with 256 MB memory
$1,099

24-inch
1.73GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
8x double-layer SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT120 with 256 MB memory
$1,399

24-inch
1.73GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
6x double-layer Blu-Ray Disc SuperDrive
SD card slot
LED-backlit display
NVIDIA GeForce GT230 with 512 MB RAM memory
$1,599

30-inch
2GHz Intel Core i7
4GB RAM
1TB HD
6x double-layer Blu-Ray Disc SuperDrive
SD card slot
Optional LED-backlit display
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700 with 512 MB memory
$2,599
post #419 of 486
Gateway's new All-In-One for Windows 7 puts the current iMac line at risk. It is a touch screen btw.

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gat...?tag=mncol;txt



Type Intel Core i7 Q8200 / 2.33 GHz
Installed Qty 1
Max processors supported 1
Core voltage technology Energy Efficient
Upgradability Upgradable
RAM
Installed Size 8 GB / 8 GB (max)
Technology DDR3 SDRAM
Memory speed 1333 MHz
Storage
Hard Drive 1 x 1 TB - Standard - S-ATA - 7200 rpm
Optical Storage
Type DVD±RW (±R DL)
Graphics Controller
Graphics Processor / Vendor RADEON HD 4670
Video Memory 1 GB
Networking
Networking 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet - Internal
Wireless LAN Supported Yes
Data Link Protocol IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , IEEE 802.11n (draft) , Bluetooth
Compliant Standards IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , IEEE 802.11n (draft)

Cost: $1,399

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Apple needs to come up with a better form factor and restart the "that is the ultimate cool" reality distortion field.
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post #420 of 486
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Gateway's new All-In-One for Windows 7 puts the current iMac line at risk. It is a touch screen btw.

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gat...?tag=mncol;txt



Type Intel Core i7 Q8200 / 2.33 GHz
Installed Qty 1
Max processors supported 1
Core voltage technology Energy Efficient
Upgradability Upgradable
RAM
Installed Size 8 GB / 8 GB (max)
Technology DDR3 SDRAM
Memory speed 1333 MHz
Storage
Hard Drive 1 x 1 TB - Standard - S-ATA - 7200 rpm
Optical Storage
Type DVD±RW (±R DL)
Graphics Controller
Graphics Processor / Vendor RADEON HD 4670
Video Memory 1 GB
Networking
Networking 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet - Internal
Wireless LAN Supported Yes
Data Link Protocol IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , IEEE 802.11n (draft) , Bluetooth
Compliant Standards IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , IEEE 802.11n (draft)

Cost: $1,399

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Apple needs to come up with a better form factor and restart the "that is the ultimate cool" reality distortion field.

and for the same price apple puts in 9400m that uses system ram and this has 1gb of video ram + 8gb system.
post #421 of 486
That's thicker and uglier, we don't know the specs on the display...and who wants to grease up their display with fingerprints and swipe marks?

I don't know about touch screens on an iMac.

From what I have seen, the Core i7 processors in announced products aren't shipping yet. Those announced products will begin shipping later this month. So this could be the reason for Apple's perceived delay. I suspect if there's a media event on Tuesday the 13th invites will be going out later today.
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post #422 of 486
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Gateway's new All-In-One for Windows 7 puts the current iMac line at risk. It is a touch screen btw.

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gat...?tag=mncol;txt

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Apple needs to come up with a better form factor and restart the "that is the ultimate cool" reality distortion field.

That was a lukewarm review, at best.
post #423 of 486
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Type Intel Core i7 Q8200 / 2.33 GHz

The Q8200 is not from the Core i7 family, but a cheap/ugly/95W C2Q, the DC 3.06GHz cpu in the iMac is probably faster than this one in most tasks.
AIOs with Q8200 have been available for ages from Dell/Lenovo/HP and probably others, Gateway is just late in the game.
I guess you (and cnet) have your own RDF.
post #424 of 486
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The Q8200 is not from the Core i7 family, but a cheap/ugly/95W C2Q, the DC 3.06GHz cpu in the iMac is probably faster than this one in most tasks.
AIOs with Q8200 have been available for ages from Dell/Lenovo/HP and probably others, Gateway is just late in the game.
I guess you (and cnet) have your own RDF.

I suspect they're using the Q8200s, the 65W version, based on the "core voltage Energy Efficient" line in the specs. And how thin the thing is.
post #425 of 486
My gut tells me the next iMac will be using Clarkdale CPUs. Granted, they are "only" dual core, but they are hyper-threaded and demonstrate some really good performance. Plus, they are supposed to be out the last quarter of this year. Not too keen on the integrated graphics but it is optional.
post #426 of 486
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The Q8200 is not from the Core i7 family, but a cheap/ugly/95W C2Q, the DC 3.06GHz cpu in the iMac is probably faster than this one in most tasks.
AIOs with Q8200 have been available for ages from Dell/Lenovo/HP and probably others, Gateway is just late in the game.
I guess you (and cnet) have your own RDF.

I am typing this from my iMac 9,1, so I enjoy the RDF.

The fact remains that the form factor of that Gateway is catching up to the iMac and it is a touch screen with upgraded hardware and a SSD + a HDD. The price is quite good too. iMac leads the pack with it's all-in-one form factor and design. That design appeal will go away if they don't do something new.
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post #427 of 486
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Well, my cousin was telling me how the local collage has a suite of 40 iMacs running Final Cut Pro. That kinda speaks for itself. If you have quad core i7 class power and any recent mainstream gpu...the iMac becomes the consumer desktop of choice...leaving the notion of paying £1800 and upwards...for people...who ah...'really think they need it.'

[...]

Bifurcates.

We'll see, I guess...

Yes, we will. But since Intel has released a new line of CPUs that are not heat-dissipation nightmares like the G5s were, and since the industry is moving to them, Apple has every interest in moving along with them. I don't think that it's any accident that Apple is preparing to update its entire desktop line in the wake of Intel's latest releases.

The mini will get a nice kick from even the lower-end chips in the new architecture, and the higher end iMacs should be quite capable of heavy lifting.

I wouldn't worry about an embedded GPU, either. Remember, OS X treats GPUs as additional computational resources. It can handle more than one. You might not want the GPU on the CPU die to drive, say, Assassin's Creed 2, but why would you turn down a specialized, multi-core vector engine with minimal-latency access to and from the CPU that all applications can easily use, and have access to the greater but higher latency computational power of the GPU driving the display when it's not doing much?
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post #428 of 486
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I wouldn't worry about an embedded GPU, either. Remember, OS X treats GPUs as additional computational resources. It can handle more than one. You might not want the GPU on the CPU die to drive, say, Assassin's Creed 2, but why would you turn down a specialized, multi-core vector engine with minimal-latency access to and from the CPU that all applications can easily use, and have access to the greater but higher latency computational power of the GPU driving the display when it's not doing much?

I assume you refer to the Intel IGP that's going to be on die on the next wave of Intel Nehalem cpus. Are you *sure* they are OCL compatible? I've seen people say they are and and some say they are not going to be OCL capable.

It will make a big difference given that NVIDIA IG is not going to be an option, at least for a while. While Apple could put dedicated gpus across the whole lineup, I doubt they will on the low end. So it could mean that minis and MBs could have limited OCL capabilities.
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I suspect they're using the Q8200s, the 65W version, based on the "core voltage Energy Efficient" line in the specs. And how thin the thing is.

That doesn't make the performances any better. That just shows how poorly the information on this computer have been described and reported by the manufacturer, "journalists" and "users" alike.

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The fact remains that the form factor of that Gateway is catching up to the iMac and it is a touch screen with upgraded hardware and a SSD + a HDD. The price is quite good too. iMac leads the pack with it's all-in-one form factor and design. That design appeal will go away if they don't do something new.

This is not the first time that PC manufacturers are trying to catch up with Apple designs, and computers like this Gateway have been available at those prices from Dell/Lenovo/HP. This Gateway in particular doesn't offer way more than the others. My guess is that people reacted on the "Core i7" mention which was completly wrong. Even cnet or another article mentionned that the touch screen was really poorly implemented. SDD+HDD? Great. Most people don't even know how to manage one drive, let alone two. This will be so funny for customer service people. I don't think Apple is in any way "afraid" of this one.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think that the iMac should stay as it is right now, it has to be upgraded (soon and a lot), but not this (Gate)way.
post #430 of 486
What's interesting is that performance of Intel's new 2 core chips is better than the performance of their current 4 core chips.

We have to be aware of this. The new models all have (except for the very bottom) hyperthreading, and, unlike older model Core 2 chips, have the ability to adjust their processing speed upwards significantly, while using less power.

Why would Apple find it necessary to go to the more expensive and power hungry 4 cores, except, maybe, on the top model?

I can't think of a good reason.

If games are why, then it must be known that except for one or two, they don't use 4 cores, and 4 threads are almost as good anyway.

As for pro apps, well, pro's will move to the 24", where the best specs are anyhow.
post #431 of 486
OK, so when do you reckon they'll be out?

Next Tuesday? Or the Tuesday before the Windows 7 launch.. or later?
post #432 of 486
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OK, so when do you reckon they'll be out?

Next Tuesday? Or the Tuesday before the Windows 7 launch.. or later?

Well I was expecting them two Tuesdays ago so next Tuesday sound like a good idea and would make sense regarding the Apple quartely results... please uncle Steve, make it happen!
post #433 of 486
They are either coming next week or skipping a week after next and coming the week after earnings. Apple doesn't release major new hardware during their earnings week.
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That doesn't make the performances any better. That just shows how poorly the information on this computer have been described and reported by the manufacturer, "journalists" and "users" alike.

Just saying. The Core 2 Quads are obsolete, but Intel does make lower-TDP versions of its desktop processors for small-form desktops like this. If Gateway can cool a 65W processor in that machine, Apple can do it in the iMac. That's less heat than the G5 put out.

There will be- they may be out already- "s" models of Lynnfield processors, the i5 720s, i7 860s, and i7 870s, all 82W instead of 95W. That's equivalent to the older processors when you factor in the northbridge on the CPU.
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Just saying. The Core 2 Quads are obsolete, but Intel does make lower-TDP versions of its desktop processors for small-form desktops like this. If Gateway can cool a 65W processor in that machine, Apple can do it in the iMac. That's less heat than the G5 put out.

There will be- they may be out already- "s" models of Lynnfield processors, the i5 720s, i7 860s, and i7 870s, all 82W instead of 95W. That's equivalent to the older processors when you factor in the northbridge on the CPU.

When you figure they put a 'hot' G5 in there, and they went to Intel for PPWatt, I'm amazed we can't have a desktop i7 in there when we had a desktop G5 in there?

Weren't Intel cpus supposed to be better performing and cheaper and cooler?

What's Apple's excuse this time?

Meh.

I'd like an iMac without a crappy sidegrade cpu, without a crappy sidegrade gpu masked under a 'better performing' higher number. ie it's just rebranded an older gpu.

Just stick in a quad core i7 class, stick in a decent desktop gpu and use more innovation with styling and cooling.

It seems to have been a while since Apple actually innovated with the consumer desktops. Just rehashes and sidegraded specs. They have been on Intel for a while now. The 'promise' of innovation on the desktops? Where is it? Where's the choice?

It's been like this since the PPC days.

Can we have a different 'model'? More choice? Different design choices? Apple have sat and sat on the consumer desktop line. And the time between updates is yawning.

Big meh.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

The 'promise' of innovation on the desktops? Where is it? Where's the choice?

Stating the obvious, but if you want choice, then you've come to the wrong PC maker. Apple is more interested in the iPhone and iPod than anything PC related.

I suggest you try computers running Win 7. Plenty of choice there, and the very, very latest CPUs, GPUs, BD drives and anything else you fancy.
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Re: Gateway/Dell/Etc ... Why would you need a touchscreen all-in-one? Pure gimmick, I think. It might be fun for the first few days/ weeks, after that, well...
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Stating the obvious, but if you want choice, then you've come to the wrong PC maker. Apple is more interested in the iPhone and iPod than anything PC related.

I suggest you try computers running Win 7. Plenty of choice there, and the very, very latest CPUs, GPUs, BD drives and anything else you fancy.

But the choice is between bad and worse.
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Re: Gateway/Dell/Etc ... Why would you need a touchscreen all-in-one? Pure gimmick, I think. It might be fun for the first few days/ weeks, after that, well...

Funny you should say that. Yesterday I was in an Apple Store and saw a woman trying to press the icons with her fingers on a MacBook Pro screen.
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Funny you should say that. Yesterday I was in an Apple Store and saw a woman trying to press the icons with her fingers on a MacBook Pro screen.

Apple should make a lickable iMac screen. That will blow the market away! The iPhone is lickable, now that *that app* is out. Next up ... iMac!
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