Originally Posted by nagromme
I'm glad Greenpeace played their part in moving Apple (and others) in this direction. I wish Greenpeace had used better tactics, and am increasingly disappointed in them, but it's still better than if they'd done nothing. These causes are far more important than some corporation's image--or the emotions of that corporation's users
You can't possibly support green peace and at the same time deplore their behaviour. Either there approach is correct or it isn't. From my standpoint they aren't even close to doing the right thing, before jumping green peace needs to be working with fact based evidence. Unfortunately that isn't even remotely the case as green peace often reacts to speculation, bad science or guess work.
Further more these causes you seem to support have been exploited by organizations like green peace to advance their own agenda. It is really difficult these days to get to solid facts as everybody massages the data to support their point of view.
I no longer see Greenpeace continuing to help in this area though. They need to reward successes! Maybe now it's time for Apple to push THEM to improve. I sure hope so.
They aren't helping because they are are more concerned about themselves than the environment or fact based science. Apple doesn't need to be involved at all, what we need is for the general public, that supports these idiots, to wise up and take their environmental dollars else where.
Greenpeace's sensationalism isn't what bothers me, nor their singling out of Apple just because that makes headlines.
Actually that should be a number one concern. It goes to green peaces lack of credibility with respect to the general public. Their behaviour just marginalizes them as a organization.
Those choices are just "good marketing," and in modern culture, unfortunately they ARE good ways to get things done sometimes. What bothers me, though, is the emphasis on what companies promise vs. what they deliver. That's where "good marketing" fails to get things done, and actions must be acknowledged! That's how other companies will be persuaded to follow Apple's lead.
Frankly rolling over and playing dead like Apple has would be completely stupid and would gain most companies nothing. In many cases it is better to ignore green peace and it's focus on bad science.
The fact if the matter is that by responding to green peace Apple has decrease the quality, reliability and safety of it's products for zero gain. Well except for the pleasure of kissing green peaces ass if that can be seen as a gain.
I do hope Al Gore gets smaller homes--or maybe one is enough!--but that won't help the planet much.
What you don't seem to grasp is that is that Gore sees this as a trendy way to keep a thumb on the masses. It's the great Democrat lie that they care about the little guy. It's BS, they use regulation and taxes to make sure you will never have a house like Gore has. I'm actually surprised to find that people really believe Gore gives a damn. The only thing Gore is interested in is exploiting anybody overly emotionally involved with the envirnmental movement, it keeps his bank coffers stuffed and that makes him happy.
These causes are real, and increasingly desperate,
What causes? The whole global warming crew is nothing but a bunch of crackpots.
There are real concerns with polution, but honestly when was the last time that green peace offered up a solution to any of the problems? Their answers are always regression and control.
and we ALL need any help the planet can get. Even if that help comes from someone whose homes are too large.
Who are you to say a home is too big? This is one of the worst things about green peace and some other environmental groups, the desire to impress their point of view on everybody else. Last I knew this was a free country where we are free to live how and where we want. In any event do you really think the rich, like Gore, will ever care or be impacted.
If a former arsonist puts me out when I'm on fire, I'll call him a hypocrite... but I'll still be glad not to be burning!
I'm not even sure what the above is suppose to mean.
Look most people are concerned about the environment. Green peaces problem is that most people recognize them as a bunch of idiots that have done little for the environment in real terms. Frankly by the time I was thirteen I planted more trees than green peace has.
So if you are concerned about the environment, my suggestion is to pull the wool off your head and seek out more responsible environmental organizations. Otherwise you are simply allowing yourself to be exploited and your wallet fleeced for nothing.