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I'll go out on a limb and make the following predictions for 10.7:

Hardware Support:
I expect 10.7 will run on all Macs with 64-bit Intel processors. That would mean that early Intel-based Macs with Core Solo or Core Duo (as opposed to Core 2 Duo) would not run 10.7. That would allow Apple to stop shipping 32-bit apps. The specific models that have 32-bit Intel processors are:
iMac: Rev A
Mac Mini: Rev A and B
MacBook: Rev A
MacBook Pro: Rev A and B
Except for the Rev B Mac Mini, these were all produced exclusively in 2006.

Kernel:
I expect 10.7 to continue to ship with both 32-bit and 64-bit kernels, but for the 64-bit kernel to boot by default on all Macs with 64-bit EFI. (By the way, I expect 10.8 to drop the 32-bit kernels and not run on Macs with 32-bit EFI.)

Xcode:
I expect 10.7 to drop all tools for Carbon development. (I expect run-time support for Carbon apps in 10.7.)

Resolution Independence:
Long overdue and probably the most important new feature for 10.7.

ZFS:
HFS+ is really quite long in the tooth and Time Machine is screaming for a modern file system. If not ZFS, then another modern file system will be needed.
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post #2 of 93
Might as well make it a wishlist:
  • Resolution independence
  • Full ZFS or Btrfs support
  • PowerPC support <- one can still dream
  • x86-32 support <- too soon to drop 32bit Intel Macs
  • ARM support <- For tablet and future transition to ARM
  • Japanese language recognition in trackpad <- was surprised to find out the trackpad only support Chinese language and doesn't apply to the Japanese language regardless of nearly identical characters
  • English (and other European languages) support in trackpad <- couldn't be any more difficult than Chinese characters

One hardware wish is adding the same epically great multitouch trackpad to Apple's keyboard.

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x86-32 support <- too soon to drop 32bit Intel Macs

I suppose that depends on when one expects 10.7 to ship. I agree that right now would be too soon to drop new OS support for 32-bit Intel Macs. I think a year from now would be marginal. But what about 2011? I have a tough time seeing why Apple should continue to release new OS versions for four to five year-old hardware. Retaining too much legacy support leads to bloat.

ps: I like Apple's policy of continuing to release security updates for 10.n until the release of 10.n+2.
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Window buttons will be more square.
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- Finder will have an integrated App Store for purchasing Mac OS X applications digitally over the Internet.

- Software Update will be integrated with the Mac OS X App Store, finding updates for purchased Apps as well as OS X and Apple software.

- Bootcamp re-imagined as an optional, full-time Classic Layer supporting Vista and Windows 7 with full hardware acceleration. Install Windows applications right from the SETUP.EXE file on the application's CD/DVD.

- Dashboard widgets integrated into the Menu bar (similar to how Expose was integrated into the Dock).

- Multi-touch touch screen support for new touch screen LCDs

- Multi-touch trackpad support for an upcoming USB Apple Keyboard with a multi-touch track pad built in.
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- Multi-touch touch screen support for new touch screen LCDs

- Multi-touch trackpad support for an upcoming USB Apple Keyboard with a multi-touch track pad built in.

I cannot think of any reason why these could not be supported in 10.6.
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10.7 Predictions
What is Apple going to call 10.7?
post #8 of 93
10.7 = Clouded Leopard. Someone smarter than me came up with this one on an post on AI a while back

A strong emphasis on cloud based computing integration. Wonder why Apple is building that huge billion dollar datacenter in North Carolina...

Cloud based Time Machine backups

Cloud based full version of iWork

One can only image what HTML 5 will bring to the online world

Further integration with iPhone 4G and cloud services

I don't see cloud based music libraries yet. Too much bandwidth for all the 100 million iTunes users it would need to support

Multi touch automobile AppleTV/Tablet spin off with the obvious maps, temperature contorls, etc

Some one mentioned a "Classic" version of Boot Camp but I see Apple phasing Boot Camp out. Running exe files in a "Classic" environment is even worse for security on your mac. You'd be susceptible to Windows and Mac vulnerabilities simultaneously. EVERYONE who doesn't run AV now would certainly need to
post #9 of 93
Some extrapolations into 10.7:

1. Resolution Independence
2. Add trackpad to external keyboard
3. More Automator actions and perhaps some new Automator features
4. Enhance AppleScript Editor with better debugging and improved dictionary format. Extending scriptability throughout the OS, bundled apps, and iLife. Extending language to support integrated file system abstractions.
5. Some form of increased backup granularity in Time Machine in HFS+
6. Improved Time Machine retrieval interface
7. Some type of reflection of the new integrated file system abstractions to the user in the GUI
8. Update of OpenGL and OpenCL frameworks to reflect later versions of these standards; some form of 3D services to apps
9. Adding back in functionality to QuickTime X that existed in QuickTime 7
10. Refinement (not drastic change) of GUI
11. Porting some new functions from iPhone OS. For example, additional multi-touch trackpad features, and maybe Voice Control
12. Additional carefully selected bridges to the Windows platform in the enterprise area
13. Some form of pilot advanced file system in the Server OS
14. Continued depreciation of Carbon in Xcode
15. Additional de-emphasis of 32-bit Intel CPU support, but not elimination
16, Export of system preferences

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- Finder will have an integrated App Store for purchasing Mac OS X applications digitally over the Internet.

- Software Update will be integrated with the Mac OS X App Store, finding updates for purchased Apps as well as OS X and Apple software.

- Bootcamp re-imagined as an optional, full-time Classic Layer supporting Vista and Windows 7 with full hardware acceleration. Install Windows applications right from the SETUP.EXE file on the application's CD/DVD.

- Dashboard widgets integrated into the Menu bar (similar to how Expose was integrated into the Dock).

- Multi-touch touch screen support for new touch screen LCDs

- Multi-touch trackpad support for an upcoming USB Apple Keyboard with a multi-touch track pad built in.

Sorry, but that massive integration contradicts UNIX and NeXT Philosophies. Cocoa Services will continue to expand to leverage across the OS with 3rd parties and extend the functionality through light services of all applications.

I'd expect iTunes Services to be accessible through the Finder where it makes sense.
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10.7 = Clouded Leopard.

cool ideas. Perhaps "Sky Leopard" would be a good name too.
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15. Additional de-emphasis of 32-bit Intel CPU support, but not elimination

What were you thinking of specifically?

I can only see 3 options for Apple to choose from in terms of phasing out support for old hardware with 10.7:
- support all the hardware supported by 10.6,
- drop support for the 32-bit processors (my prediction for 10.7),
- drop support for 32-bit EFI (my prediction for 10.8).

Dropping support for 32-bit processors means not needing to ship fat binaries. That would allow Apple to boast that 10.7 takes less disk space than 10.6. As I noted in the opening post, relatively few machines would be affected. It would be the first six or so months' production of Intel MacBooks, Macbooks Pro, and iMacs plus the first 17 months' production of Intel Macs Mini.

Dropping support for 32-bit EFI means not having to ship 32-bit kernels.

The problems with not dropping support for any old machines are:
- it sets unreasonable customer expectations for the future, and
- it means 10.8 will see a very large set of hardware rendered unsupported.
In my opinion, it's better to take a small slice with each release than a large slice every once in a while.

I also note that, with the exception of some high-end MacBooks Pro, all the Macs which shipped with 32-bit Intel processors came equipped with only 512MB of ram in standard configurations. 10.6 demands 1GB of ram. The 32-bit Intel Macs are already obsolescent and will be obsolete by the time 10.7 ships (presumably in 2011).

I'll make one further prediction that the first Developer Preview Release of 10.7 will be at the 2010 WWDC.
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post #13 of 93
lion

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post #14 of 93
windows 7 applocker equivalent. more enterprise features.
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post #15 of 93
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cool ideas. Perhaps "Sky Leopard" would be a good name too.

The thing is that up to now they have chosen names for animals that actually exist ... not too sure about "Clouded Leopard" or " Sky Leopard", but what about Cheetah? ... The fastest cat of them all!
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The thing is that up to now they have chosen names for animals that actually exist ... not too sure about "Clouded Leopard" or " Sky Leopard", but what about Cheetah? ... The fastest cat of them all!

Do ya research!
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post #17 of 93
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I'll make one further prediction that the first Developer Preview Release of 10.7 will be at the 2010 WWDC.


Ummm, I doubt it.. too soon I think.
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What were you thinking of specifically?

I can only see 3 options for Apple to choose from in terms of phasing out support for old hardware with 10.7:
- support all the hardware supported by 10.6,
- drop support for the 32-bit processors (my prediction for 10.7),
- drop support for 32-bit EFI (my prediction for 10.8).

Dropping support for 32-bit processors means not needing to ship fat binaries. That would allow Apple to boast that 10.7 takes less disk space than 10.6. As I noted in the opening post, relatively few machines would be affected. It would be the first six or so months' production of Intel MacBooks, Macbooks Pro, and iMacs plus the first 17 months' production of Intel Macs Mini.

Dropping support for 32-bit EFI means not having to ship 32-bit kernels.

The problems with not dropping support for any old machines are:
- it sets unreasonable customer expectations for the future, and
- it means 10.8 will see a very large set of hardware rendered unsupported.
In my opinion, it's better to take a small slice with each release than a large slice every once in a while.

I also note that, with the exception of some high-end MacBooks Pro, all the Macs which shipped with 32-bit Intel processors came equipped with only 512MB of ram in standard configurations. 10.6 demands 1GB of ram. The 32-bit Intel Macs are already obsolescent and will be obsolete by the time 10.7 ships (presumably in 2011).

I'll make one further prediction that the first Developer Preview Release of 10.7 will be at the 2010 WWDC.

Good catch. I didn't think that through; especially the 1GB minimum requirement. Thanks.

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There are plenty of 3rd party apps that do the following but nothing is as "blessed" for use as an Apple created tool.

1. System wide tagging using metadata.

2. Software Update for 3rd parties - I've got too many app, many that that need updating on a daily or weekly basis at times. I need help. Apple needs to leverage Sparkle or build a new tool altogether. It can be "opt in" if they want to avoid Tech Support calls.

3. Notification Updates - a la Growl.

4. Uninstaller - Something like Clean App that runs a daemon and gets everything. I love trying out apps but hate the residue left over after deletion.

5. Speech to Text- Dragon Naturally Speaking for cheap.

6. ZFS support

7. iSCSI support

8. Quicktime X Pro - all the modern goodness with extra support for codecs and ehanced editing features.

9. Scripting - Major update to scripting. Basically Applesript will continue to leverage other tools through a bridge but if everything was wrapped up in a stable API where developers could have access to more scripting formats without going through a simple bridge that would be ideal.

10. OpenCL and Grand Central 2 - I think version 2.0 of these technologies will continue to sweeten the pot and prepare us for powerful computing from mobile platforms up to server platforms.
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10.7 = Clouded Leopard. Someone smarter than me came up with this one on an post on AI a while back

A strong emphasis on cloud based computing integration. Wonder why Apple is building that huge billion dollar datacenter in North Carolina...

Cloud based Time Machine backups

Cloud based full version of iWork

One can only image what HTML 5 will bring to the online world

Further integration with iPhone 4G and cloud services

I don't see cloud based music libraries yet. Too much bandwidth for all the 100 million iTunes users it would need to support

Multi touch automobile AppleTV/Tablet spin off with the obvious maps, temperature contorls, etc

Some one mentioned a "Classic" version of Boot Camp but I see Apple phasing Boot Camp out. Running exe files in a "Classic" environment is even worse for security on your mac. You'd be susceptible to Windows and Mac vulnerabilities simultaneously. EVERYONE who doesn't run AV now would certainly need to

I'll add...

cloud based idvd
cloud based imovie
cloud based iphoto
cloud based iweb
cloud based garageband

Putting these apps in the cloud will allow you to make compilations of photos, videos, and music with all your friends and family providing pictures, videos, and music to use. And of course allow you to publish these compilations to MobileMe or Facebook.
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Do ya research!

Another example of research trumping memory !
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Good catch. I didn't think that through; especially the 1GB minimum requirement. Thanks.

I think with the current prices of memory, all new Macs (even the Mac Mini) will be shipping with 4GB or more by the time 10.7 ships.
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I've had experiences with Mac OS X upgrades from Tiger to Leopard and then most recently to Snow Leopard. This latest upgrade to SL has been the crappiest user experience with programs no longer working and printers no longer printing. Parallels 3.0 no longer supported and printing on HP printers problematic.

Still a far cry from the MSFT experience, but it sure did feel like Snow Leopard gave users what I imagine was a near-Vista-like upgrade.
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I've had experiences with Mac OS X upgrades from Tiger to Leopard and then most recently to Snow Leopard. This latest upgrade to SL has been the crappiest user experience with programs no longer working and printers no longer printing. Parallels 3.0 no longer supported and printing on HP printers problematic.

Still a far cry from the MSFT experience, but it sure did feel like Snow Leopard gave users what I imagine was a near-Vista-like upgrade.

Parallels screwed up with Leopard Server support they claimed. I know this one personally.

HP printing issues are not with Apple but with what they choose to help with CUPS [Apple now owns, but which covers all of FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, etc]. The issue resides with HP, not CUPS. The CUPS 1.4 API is public and has been worked on for two years.

Application Developers have had over 12 months to get ready.
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Parallels screwed up with Leopard Server support they claimed. I know this one personally.

HP printing issues are not with Apple but with what they choose to help with CUPS [Apple now owns, but which covers all of FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, etc]. The issue resides with HP, not CUPS. The CUPS 1.4 API is public and has been worked on for two years.

Application Developers have had over 12 months to get ready.

Yes, these are definitely not Apple's fault. CUPS has been around for ten years in the Gnu/UNIX/Linux world and HP should have been on top of it helping the open source community write drivers for their hardware.

I would like to know why Vonage's SoftPhone app for Mac doesn't work with 10.6 (the app runs, but calls cannot be established). The app has not been updated since 10.2 and therefore (obviously) needs Rosetta. Have any old APIs been deprecated in 10.6 that might be called on by SoftPhone? I'm not blaming Apple, as there is no excuse for Vonage not updating SoftPhone, which has been flaky at least since 10.4. I can't remember whether the crashing started with 10.3 or 10.4, but I think it was 10.4. It may have been when I switched from PPC to Intel hardware.

As for a "near-Vista-like upgrade," I had the easiest upgrade experience ever in going to 10.6. The only problems I've had are that SoftPhone is now useless and my Vodaphone USB stick only works with the 32-bit kernel.
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Slightly out on a limb and it's been said before in a few places, but does anyone else out there think that it would be possible for Grand Central to further offload processing to Xgrid?
Done properly it should look very similar (to developers) as the current method of "passing threads off" to GCD, or else be completely, invisibly integrated into the GCD setup.
This, of course, would provide the same push behind grid computing as is now behind multithreading.
I really hope Apple does things in this space.
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lion

/s'obvious

I think it will the name of the last version of OS X.
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Slightly out on a limb and it's been said before in a few places, but does anyone else out there think that it would be possible for Grand Central to further offload processing to Xgrid?
Done properly it should look very similar (to developers) as the current method of "passing threads off" to GCD, or else be completely, invisibly integrated into the GCD setup.
This, of course, would provide the same push behind grid computing as is now behind multithreading.
I really hope Apple does things in this space.

As a Service, yes. Via integration? No.
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Yes, these are definitely not Apple's fault. CUPS has been around for ten years in the Gnu/UNIX/Linux world and HP should have been on top of it helping the open source community write drivers for their hardware.

I would like to know why Vonage's SoftPhone app for Mac doesn't work with 10.6 (the app runs, but calls cannot be established). The app has not been updated since 10.2 and therefore (obviously) needs Rosetta. Have any old APIs been deprecated in 10.6 that might be called on by SoftPhone? I'm not blaming Apple, as there is no excuse for Vonage not updating SoftPhone, which has been flaky at least since 10.4. I can't remember whether the crashing started with 10.3 or 10.4, but I think it was 10.4. It may have been when I switched from PPC to Intel hardware.

As for a "near-Vista-like upgrade," I had the easiest upgrade experience ever in going to 10.6. The only problems I've had are that SoftPhone is now useless and my Vodaphone USB stick only works with the 32-bit kernel.

Quite a few APIs have been deprecated. I'd be interested in seeing just exactly what low level Networking APIs that application still depends upon. You should contact Vonage and inquire about it.
post #30 of 93
I think 10.7 should have no aqua interface because it is getting kind of old. I think they should let you chose your themes like on windows and should be cross platform to work on Mac and Windows which may never happen but it could be a possibility. I think that it should have a way to chose the style of your dock because I am bored of the dock that is default on Mac OSX 10.1 to 10.6.1.
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The thing is that up to now they have chosen names for animals that actually exist ... not too sure about "Clouded Leopard" or " Sky Leopard", but what about Cheetah? ... The fastest cat of them all!

I would love that as a cat name. I think Sky Leopard would be funny. But cloud leopard sounds cool
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but what about Cheetah? ... The fastest cat of them all!

What about Cheetah? It was the name of Mac OS 10.0
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What about Cheetah? It was the name of Mac OS 10.0

And was the slowest cat.
post #34 of 93
Additional improvements that only the Mac Pro can really take advantage of.
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Another prediction, perhaps trivial: All user apps shipped with 10.7 will be 64-bit.
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As for name what have we had so far...
Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, and now Snow Leopard

What is left? (thanks to wikipedia)

Extant species
Lion
Cheetah
Jaguar
Eurasian Lynx
Margay
Wild Cat

FAMILY FELIDAE[1]
Subfamily Felinae


Genus Felis

Chinese Mountain Cat (Felis bieti)
Domestic Cat (Felis catus)
Jungle Cat (Felis chaus)
Sand Cat (Felis margarita)
Black-footed Cat (Felis nigripes)
Wild Cat (Felis silvestris)

Genus Otocolobus

Pallas's Cat (Otocolobus manul)

Genus Prionailurus

Leopard Cat (Prionailurus bengalensis)
Iriomote Cat (Prionailurus iriomotensis)
Flat-headed Cat (Prionailurus planiceps)
Rusty-spotted Cat (Prionailurus rubiginosus)
Fishing Cat (Prionailurus viverrinus)

Genus Puma

Cougar (Puma concolor)
Jaguarundi (Puma yagouaroundi)

Genus Lynx

Canadian Lynx (Lynx canadensis)
Eurasian Lynx (Lynx lynx)
Iberian Lynx (Lynx pardinus)
Bobcat (Lynx rufus)

Genus Leopardus

Pantanal Cat (Leopardus braccatus)
Colocolo (Leopardus colocolo)
Geoffroy's Cat (Leopardus geoffroyi)
Kodkod (Leopardus guigna)
Andean Mountain Cat (Leopardus jacobitus)
Pampas Cat (Leopardus pajeros)
Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
Oncilla (Leopardus tigrinus)
Margay (Leopardus wiedii)

Genus Leptailurus

Serval (Leptailurus serval)

Genus Caracal

Caracal (Caracal caracal)

Genus Profelis

African Golden Cat (Profelis aurata)

Genus Catopuma

Bay Cat (Catopuma badia)
Asian Golden Cat (Catopuma temminckii)

Genus Pardofelis

Marbled Cat (Pardofelis marmorata)

Genus Acinonyx[6]

Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus)

Subfamily Pantherinae

Genus Neofelis

Clouded Leopard (Neofelis nebulosa)
Bornean Clouded Leopard (Neofelis diardi)

Genus Panthera

Lion (Panthera leo)
Jaguar (Panthera onca)
Leopard (Panthera pardus)
Tiger (Panthera tigris)

Genus Uncia

Snow Leopard (Uncia uncia)

Oh and my Favourite: Sabertooth
post #37 of 93
I couldn't care less what they name 10.7 after.

We now know ZFS is a no go.

I figure we'll see a new modern fs for OS X delivered with 10.7 which will provide the
basis for a much better Time Machine.

Also think I'll get something like my "user" metadata. Apple will probably clean up a lot of the underlaying "spaghetti"

Resolution Independence should finally rear it's head. I'm sensing that the next few years is going to deliver some nice resolution bumps to displays.
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post #38 of 93
Resolution independence is getting to be a "must have" with the higher resolution of the 27" iMac.

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As distasteful as it seems (to me anyway)...

Looking into my crystal ball...

Expect to see subtle underpinnings being discovered in early developer builds of OS X 10.7 that will bring into question Apples eventual intention to migrate OS X into the same AppStore type system that the iPhone and iPod Touch are constrained by.

You heard it here first...

Oh just so my post isn't so dark...

Lets guess the apx release date...

Taken From the OS X Wiki:
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10.0 -> 10.1 took 185 days (6 months)
10.1 -> 10.2 took 332 days (10 months)
10.2 -> 10.3 took 427 days (14 months)
10.3 -> 10.4 took 553 days (18 months)
10.4 -> 10.5 took 910 days (29 months)
10.5 -> 10.6 took 672 days (22 months)
------------------------------

So for me:

10.6 -> 10.7 estimate 711 days (23 months)

AKA: August 9th 2011 (probably delayed till 'end of summer')

Which fits in well with the following:

OS X 10.7 developer preview @ WWDC 2010 and apx 12 months later the GM.
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I care about features, not names, but I'll point out that the widely-known names of big cats that haven't been used yet are Cougar, Lion, and Lynx.

I continue to believe that 10.7 will first be announced at WWDC 2010 and will ship sometime in 2011. I also believe that 10.7 will drop support for 32-bit CPUs i.e. Core Solo and Core Duo (Core 2 Duo are 64-bit and I'm confident will run 10.7).

I'm slightly less confident that (on hardware with 64-bit EFI) 64-bit kernels will boot by default. It will depend on how much progress there is with 64-bit drivers. For example, I have a USB stick GSM modem which only works if I boot with a 32-bit kernel. Will Vodaphone update the firmware with a 64-bit kext? I have no idea.
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