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post #41 of 165
10/2/09 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

I [] HATE the Mighty Mouse:
  1. Stupid little ball
  2. Flat shape (same height in back and front so you can't easily push it around with your palm)
  3. One giant button with TEENY TINY little side pads. To lift the mouse with the button clicked you have to stop and think about your grip and make sure your thumb and outer fingers are positioned just so.
  4. Side "buttons" are useless as buttons are are accidentally "clicked" far too easily
  5. Touch sensitive two button idea sounds cool in principle but without tactile feedback it's easy to send a regular click when you meant to right-click. And you should just see computer illiterates try to use the thing as a two button. Their heads explode.
It's like Apple never even tested the thing with... you know... humans. Total garbage.

Do you have really big hands or something? I mean, like Lurch big? The MM is easily configurable for one- or two-button operation, and I've always found the two-button configuration to be very reliable without me having to concentrate on how I'm gripping it. My aging mother (as I imagine many seniors) was a bit awkward with it, so I configured it for one-button operation for her, and she did okay. Not trying to discount your experience with the MM (you're certainly not alone), but I've just never found the MM as problematic or difficult to use as you describe.

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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

I really hope this new mouse is an improvement. It would be nice to go back to using an Apple mouse instead of Logitech and Microsoft. Much as I dislike MS in general... they make great mice. The Laser Mouse 7000 is awesome. Awesome shape. Nice thumb button. Light as a feather.

I hope this new mouse, or whatever they introduce, is an improvement too. I've always preferred the acceleration curves of Windows' mice; I've always attributed the smoother response and feel to the software as opposed to the hardware of any particular brand of mouse. Apple's mouse control panel has never given me the flexibility to customize the mouse's acceleration curves exactly the way I like them. Kensington's 4-button Turbo Mouse was the best for that. But Kensington ruined a great thing when they "improved" the Turbo Mouse with their so-called "Expert" Mouse. It was such a horrible product (to my experience) that I abandoned trackballs forever.

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post #42 of 165
10/2/09 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by gimpymw View Post

I love hearing people bitch about the scroll ball on the mighty mouse like its the one thing that makes it or breaks it. I consider it a pretty decent OEM mouse although I find it a little small for my hand. I use it at work and like most people that use it I've had the ball get clogged with debris. I found a easy way to get rid of the obstruction. While the computer is off, or the mouse is unplugged or you kick on the desktop so that no window is active, while pressing down hard on the scroll ball spin it with your finger in one direction for a few seconds then do the same thing in the other direction. Doing this kicks out whatever particle that happens to be causing the obstruction pretty much all the time. I'm more frustrated now when I need to clean the underside where all the dust builds up along the ring than I am with any scroll ball issues. It'll be interesting to see what this new touch enhanced mouse is like.

Congrats on having on the one Mighty Mouse that works. Maybe Steve Jobs has a working one too.

I have 5 that are broken. Oh they work just fine, just don't try scrolling.

I have to say the prospect of a new multi-touch mouse from Apple is very exciting indeed though. Didn't expect one to market so soon.
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post #43 of 165
10/2/09 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by JasonBee View Post

have two buttons.


nope. one big a** button. and multitouch gestures.

seriously folks, what if the future of the mouse is in fact the glass trackpad.
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post #44 of 165
10/2/09 at 6:59am
Um. Apple hasn't sold a one-button mouse since 2005. What are you people talking about? Or are you just not familar with System Preferences or something??
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post #45 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by M8689 View Post

There's a kbase article with a video that shows how to properly clean the clogball:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1537

http://www.info.apple.com/images/kba...7/302417_1.mov

Thanks I had seen this and tried it to no avail, the tip earlier about alcohol and rubbing on a paper towel did the trick.
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post #46 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by gimpymw View Post

I love hearing people bitch about the scroll ball on the mighty mouse like its the one thing that makes it or breaks it. I consider it a pretty decent OEM mouse although I find it a little small for my hand.

Well that's because for most of us it IS the one thing that makes or breaks it. According to you then the one thing that makes or breaks it is that you have big hands. Apple could make the scroll ball better if they wanted to (see my previous reference to RIM) but unfortunately they cannot do anything for your hands.

Oh - and there is NOTHING that I can do to clean my mouse. I've tried everything. It scrolls down and right and that is it. Apple Genius said - just get a new one.....
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post #47 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Congrats on having on the one Mighty Mouse that works. Maybe Steve Jobs has a working one too.

I have 5 that are broken. Oh they work just fine, just don't try scrolling.

I have to say the prospect of a new multi-touch mouse from Apple is very exciting indeed though. Didn't expect one to market so soon.

I was in same position ... try the tip higher up using alcohol and paper towel. I have a working mouse again !!!
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post #48 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Once you get used to using a good mouse with good ergonomics and normal buttons... the Mighty Mouse is aggravating to use for anything other than casual internet use. In my experience.

i've used a lot of different mice,trackballs, tablets etc over the years. for a lot of different functions. and setting aside photo work, for which a pen will always work best, the mighty mouse has neither been great or horrific.

my only complaint is size. i wish they had made a junior size for kids smaller hands. my 4 year old nephew can barely get his hand in the right places to click correctly on a mighty mouse cause his hand is simply too small. I had to go get a notebook mouse for him. not that I mind but Apple is trying to push the family friendly side of the imac so it is a thought
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post #49 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by JS29 View Post

After getting a 13" MacBookPro for the wife a few weeks ago, I have really come to like the multitouch pad. I'd be happy with a similar stand alone multitouch pad for our iMac. I understand that many still love their mice, but it would be nice to have a choice of input devices.

I could see this happening....I've got a BT new thin keyboard and after a couple of days to get used to it, I love it! What about a keyboard with a MacBook like 'glass' trackpad on the side or at the bottom of the keyboard?

Get rid of the mouse/another cable.

I hear you about the track ball on the mighty mouse. My BT is really annoying!
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post #50 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post


seriously folks, what if the future of the mouse is in fact the glass trackpad.

Yep!
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post #51 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Thanks I had seen this and tried it to no avail, the tip earlier about alcohol and rubbing on a paper towel did the trick.

Doesn't matter--the hassle of having to do anything has been easily solved with a Macally IceMini. I have this weird thing about Macs: they should Just Work.
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post #52 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:15am
I am excited to see the evolved concept of the mouse through apple's view. I hope it'll be released next week or the week after, i.e released very soon, and the tablet to be released soon as well ... maybe the mouse will give us a few hints about what the tablet would be like


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post #53 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

nope. one big a** button. and multitouch gestures.

seriously folks, what if the future of the mouse is in fact the glass trackpad.

most probably
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post #54 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:20am
How many here are disappointed with track pads on PC laptops? In my case it is the Dell supplied at work vs my MBP at home. If there is ever a sign of good engineering it is constantly trying to use a PC track pad like Apples. Apple has done incredibly well with this input method.

I bring this up because somebody suggested a track pad for the desktop. The concept is interesting and frankly makes me wonder why Apple keeps trying to innovate the mouse when they have this excellent solution that has been well recieved.

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post #55 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:20am
I hate the mighty mouse.

I do think the scroll ball is a cool idea (like working in Photoshop, zoomed in and scrolling around rather than having to tap the spacebar to bring up the drag tool), but the rest of it is just so god awful:
  • slow tracking no matter how high I have the tracking speed turned up (then again, this may just be me; I run my mouse tracking so fast that most people can't use my computer)
  • The multiple "touch" interface works maybe 60% of the time
  • the scroll ball button is too sensitive; I'd scroll too fast viewing a web page and Expose would kick in
  • What's up with the 8" cord? I know it's designed to plug into the Apple keyboard, but seriously... 8"?

I mean, Apple knocked it out of the park with the aluminium keyboards*, why can't they get a mouse design happening?

I hate to say it, but the best mice out there right now are made by Microsoft. I love my Comfort Optical 3000 and my Bluetooth Notebook 5000.




*Note on the aluminium keyboards: I understand the removal of the num pads. I mean, I bought one with a num pad and I never use the num pad and kind of wish I could saw it off. That being said, I understand some people need/want it, which is why Apple is smart keeping them around.
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post #56 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by Intense View Post

I am excited to see the evolved concept of the mouse through apple's view.

You mean form over function?
Apple's designs based on looks for the mouse have always failed. Both the mighty mouse and the hockey puck look great next to the mac desktop but fail in real world use. Even Microsoft which has ugly mice work better in the hand.
Anyway, the mouse is dead. Next.
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post #57 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:25am
Hopefully they'll get rid of the stupid squeeze button. IMO it's just plain awkward to use. Likewise the single case works like crap for using two buttons because you have to remember to lift your finger up to click the other button.

I seriously have to wonder if they can actually make a touchpad do something better than the humble scroll wheel. There is rarely any need for horizontal scrolling so a notchless wheel works great in OSX.

They should also fix the mouse acceleration so we don't have to use either Microsoft mice (with their drivers that fix that) or USB Overdrive.
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post #58 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:25am
I'm on my third Mighty Mouse right now, so any news of a multitouch replacement for the trackball would be excellent - and yeah, the industrial design of the mouse and the Apple Remote are both in need of an update. Good news all round.
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post #59 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Or better yet, why a trackpad at all? Could not the 'multi-touch technology be integrated into the keyboard keys themselves where our fingers are already positioned?

Hmmm. An Apple Multi-Touch Keyboard. Hard-touch for input, light-touch for navigation.

Whoa! Interesting.......
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post #60 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:38am
I'm believe the new MM will have a slick surface (glass that doesn't look like glass), similar to the multi-touch trackpads, but it would be interesting to see how they can successfully incorporate the multi-touch gestures on a mouse..an iPad without the tablet capabilities (to keep the price down) might be more useful.
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post #61 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:45am
Did you just say:

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venerable mouse

About the Mighty Mouse!?

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post #62 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Last I checked, Logitech does well selling Mice to 95% of the computing world...who use PCs.

Yep, and most of them are utter crap, just like 95% of the PC world's keyboards, monitors... The days of quality peripherals and accessories have all but disappeared.
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post #63 of 165
10/2/09 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

Yep, and most of them are utter crap, just like 95% of the PC world's keyboards, monitors... The days of quality peripherals and accessories have all but disappeared.

I like the Logitech mouse that came with my S530 keyboard. It's a battery hog, though, and after a couple of years the left switch seem to stick (and you can't take it apart), but it's super-functional, and ergonomically a very well-designed thing. I especially like the scroll wheel that scrolls horizontally as well as vertically, and clicks down to open Exposé.
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post #64 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:01am
One thing I hate about the mighty mouse is how you can't press the right and left mouse buttons together and it's kind of random whether you get a right click or not. I went back to using a thoroughly old discarded Sun mouse and my trackpad pretty quickly.
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post #65 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by super8sean View Post

Alcohol on some toilet paper.
put the toilet paper on a hard table
and rool the ball on it really fast
all the dirt will come out of the ball
p.s use a lot of alcohol

The toilet paper is a bad idea. If you use toilet paper, you're probably having to do this cleaning very frequently as it will be adding almost as much junk into the ball as it takes away. That's why you're having to use so much alcohol as well.

Mighty Mouse's ball is the same as any other mouse ball (except you can't take it out of the socket), so while you clean it as above, you have to use lint-free cloths or tissues.

This is the big flaw in the Mighty Mouse's cleaning instructions in that almost no one has such tissues laying around. Every decent computer repair shop or tech office will have boxes of such tissues. Steve Jobs probably has a box of them on every coffee table and desktop in his house. The average person doesn't have such things handy though and isn't likely to go out and buy a box just for their mouse cleaning activities.
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post #66 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:03am
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One thing I hate about the mighty mouse is how you can't press the right and left mouse buttons together and it's kind of random whether you get a right click or not. I went back to using a thoroughly old discarded Sun mouse and my trackpad pretty quickly.

One thing I hate is the Might Mouse

Apple make a number of great products, but the Might Mouse is a piece of junk that looks like it was designed by aliens, from the past.

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post #67 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:03am
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After getting a 13" MacBookPro for the wife a few weeks ago, I have really come to like the multitouch pad. I'd be happy with a similar stand alone multitouch pad for our iMac. I understand that many still love their mice, but it would be nice to have a choice of input devices.

Check out the new WACOM Bamboo Pen & Touch graphics tablet. It looks damn near perfect.
http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo_pen_touch.php

I'll be replacing an old WACOM Graphire 2 with one... but I can't replace the PURPLE.


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post #68 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:12am
The Mighty Mouse is great, until it inevitably gives you trouble "early in its life". You then realize it's not actually great. It is in fact very badly designed. It's too small for the hand, it's the wrong shape, it's in no way ergonomic, and it fails to even be useable for simple scrolling.

The best mouse on the market today is the MX Revolution. While it doesn't exactly look like it was made by Apple, it functions 10 times better than any Apple mouse. It's very reliable, study, comfortable and way more efficient in use too. I'm personally embarrassed they are taking so long to address this "issue". It's hated by most people who've used it for long enough. The only people who like it are love-blind fanboys, or someone who didn't use the thing for long enough for it to fail, which it will.

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post #69 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

As I have said before, picking a mouse is like buying a pair of gloves or even mitts. A special glove for golfing, playing baseball, hockey, or even for protection from the weather or work, it is a matter of function and fit.

Whatever Apple introduces, it will never suit everyone. Although millions are more than satisfied with the mouse that came with their pc, there are those that immediately go back to the one they are used to or search for a 'new' replacement.

Mac users are by nature much more selective. We CHOOSE a Macintosh. We won't accept whatever is shoved into our faces, or elsewhere. And, yes since the mouse is such a major component, it's important that it be "just right".

Me, I hate mice and prefer a trackball and WACOM tablet combo. Almost everyone I know freaks out when they try to use my trackball (Kensington Expert Mouse). The scroll wheel is brilliant. Trakball technique is extremely simple (and better ergonomically): Rest index and middle fingers on ball, apply small amount of pressure, and point. Click with thumb. Very simple, with no gripping or grabbing. It's a hand-eye-coordination thing, I guess.

The tablet can elicit a similar reaction. BUt it's even simpler to use and the pen allows for extreme accuracy.
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post #70 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:17am
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The tablet can elicit a similar reaction. BUt it's even simpler to use and the pen allows for extreme accuracy.
My response: "I learned to draw with a pencil, not a bar of soap."

That's funny.

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post #71 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by palegolas View Post

The puck mouse was great... but only if you held it delicately with two fingers and shove it lightly around. Maybe I'm the only one on the planet who liked it.

Nope, theres two of us


I think it would be great if apple, 25 years on could kill the mouse altogether just sensing hand gestures in thin air, or eyeball movements, head movements, brain patterns, or similar.

I have mucked about with eyeball and head sensors, and i dont like them. In reality hand gestures is the only method above that has legs (in near term)
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post #72 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

As I have said before, picking a mouse is like buying a pair of gloves or even mitts. A special glove for golfing, playing baseball, hockey, or even for protection from the weather or work, it is a matter of function and fit.

Whatever Apple introduces, it will never suit everyone. Although millions are more than satisfied with the mouse that came with their pc, there are those that immediately go back to the one they are used to or search for a 'new' replacement.

Mac users are by nature much more selective. We CHOOSE a Macintosh. We won't accept whatever is shoved into our faces, or elsewhere. And, yes since the mouse is such a major component, it's important that it be "just right". It's good that there are myriad input devices to choose from. In fact, for every desktop Mac I ever had, I NEVER used the stock mouse and sold them all.

Me, I hate mice and prefer a trackball and WACOM tablet combo. Almost everyone I know freaks out when they try to use my trackball (Kensington Expert Mouse). The scroll wheel is brilliant. Trackball technique is extremely simple (and better ergonomically): Rest index and middle fingers on ball, apply small amount of pressure, and point. Click with thumb. Very simple, with no gripping or grabbing. It's a hand-eye-coordination thing, I guess.

The tablet can elicit a similar reaction. BUT it's even simpler to use and the pen allows for extreme accuracy.
My response: "I learned to draw with a pencil, not a bar of soap."


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post #73 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:21am
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Nope, theres two of us

There's two of you, but not many more. That mouse was another disaster. I don't like the think different catch phrase myself - I prefer the motto "think for yourself".

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post #74 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

I have to agree with you. I would rather have a new keyboard with a pad built in or standalone bad than I would a new mouse.

Maybe this will be the first desktop Mac to ship without a mouse? i.e. a keyboard with a built in multitouch.
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post #75 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

The history of the mouse is very interesting and well covered here.

Unfortunately it has been a long time since Apple has shipped a useful mouse. As someone else mentioned it appears that Apples goal is to keep Logitech in business. We should not discount Apples failures when they try to innovate. It is sad that many are so vocal about other Mac defects but openly accept the need to buy a mouse for a new Mac.

Apple really should be more responsive when consumers reject it's innovation. The current mouse should have been replaced long ago. I worry that this next attempt to innovate won't be any better than the rest. Sometimes it just isn't possible to take a concept any further after a certain arraingement becomes accepted. Sort of like sockets and ratchets or Hobart mixers for cooks.

I don't think Apple cares that much if customers hate their mice or not. It's one of the few areas where form IS trumping function, but I see the point. There is a reason for the single-button mouse (yes, the MM has 2) as the entire Mac OS over it's entire history (I'm a user since 1985, BTW) has always revolved around not NEEDING two mouse buttons. 2 buttons are confusing for novices, who prefer one.

Clearly, when we complain about other things enough, Apple will fix them. MacBook FireWire, lack of FireWire 800 in first MacBook Pro, lack of anti-glare screen for 15" MacBook Pro, etc..

So, why complain? Just go out and buy a mouse you like?


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post #76 of 165
10/2/09 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

nope. one big a** button. and multitouch gestures.

seriously folks, what if the future of the mouse is in fact the glass trackpad.

That would be fantasic.
I hope it has at least four buttons so you could set macros to mouse-clicks. I would rather play games on my MBP than my Mini, strictly because of the arrow keys and trackpad. If we could get a trackpad USB with between four and six buttons, that would greatly improve my relationship with my Mini. I have a 5-button scroll wheel MS mouse on the mini now, which is pretty good, but not as nice as the trackpad.
I say 6 buttons because I would like to see right/left click, as well as arrow keys, or macro the other keys to be certain keyboard functions. Gestures are spectacular, but button clicks could make it the best thing ever.
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10/2/09 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by allblue View Post

Hopefully they will wipe Steve Jobs' fingerprints off before shipping as greasy finger marks would not be a very compelling consumer experience.

They will be embedded into the plastic.
This way it's not super smooth plastic, give you something to grip onto and it'll be like the original Macs with the signatures inside the case.
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10/2/09 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Shintocam View Post

I don't understand why Apple cannot get the scroll ball to work properly to be honest. I think the idea really is very good just badly implemented.

I would have to chalk this one up to pride. For those with talent, it is very hard to admit mistakes.
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10/2/09 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

How many here are disappointed with track pads on PC laptops? In my case it is the Dell supplied at work vs my MBP at home.

Dave

Nope, not disappointed at all. My Samsung's trackpad and the glass trackpad on my sister's acer both work perfectly well. Dells are low quality, so don't expect much. Especially in coroporate environments where budget is often the deciding factor.

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Yep, and most of them are utter crap, just like 95% of the PC world's keyboards, monitors... The days of quality peripherals and accessories have all but disappeared.

No. Logitech is a good brand of mouse. There are plenty of great quality products out there for PCs, you just have to browse a few reviews and read comments.

The problem - as always with Apple - is lack of choice. Too much of a control freak to allow many developers or support many ideas, and yet now it's growing more than ever, it's going to have massive difficulties keeping full control over everything. I predict there will just be more problems. The approval, presentation and pricing of apps is very flawed, because Apple has never worked closely enough with third parties before. And because there is so much focus on things like iphones and ipods at the moment, other important products get neglected.
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10/2/09 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by jeffharris View Post

I don't think Apple cares that much if customers hate their mice or not.

Because they include them with their big hardware anyway. And the times they are bought, the customer buys one and that's it (most of the time). They don't buy and buy and buy like with apps and itunes. There's limited profit there.
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