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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Oh, so you're the one. Flash sucks on the Mac, people know this.

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Bro- I use flash all the time on my 3 year old iMac - works just fine.
post #42 of 224
Hey, a brief note to those who developed flash player...Go crap in some one else's back yard. Apple, you should continue your stance and revolve your development physics moving forward to what is now understood as intuitive media and a stepping stone to what will be enjoyed by the user.
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Adobe on Monday announced partnerships with numerous handset operating system makers, including Research in Motion, Nokia, Palm, Google and Microsoft, to bring Flash Player 10.1 to smartphones. Absent from the list: Apple.

Also absent from the list, 40% of mobile web users. And, since the percentage of mobile users who are on the iPhone is growing, probably over half, soon. If you are developing for the mobile web, the smart thing to do is to ignore this announcement and get away from Flash now, it's a losing proposition, now and long-term.

It may have slightly longer legs on personal computers, but Flash's demise is inevitable there as well.
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Oh, so you're the one. Flash sucks on the Mac, people know this.

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Google (Insert product name here) & (Sucks) and tell me how many hits you get. I am not arguing that flash is perfect. The truth is often times the problem with flash is the programmer. This is the end result of a tool being popular enough to have novice users developing content.

Anyway I am not a flash evangelist, as I said, you can believe me or not, and I will continue to work in the field using the available tools. If flash goes away than so be it. None of that changes the fact that flash isn't going to disappear before competing manufacturers make phones that will do everything the iPhone does WITH flash, my only point here is that consumers WILL care and they will show it with their purchases.
post #45 of 224
Do you really want to download 100-200k of obnoxious blinking flash ads whenever you hit a Webpage? How about ads that cover content that you can't close because they don't work with multi-touch?

The carriers will disable Flash. It is too bandwidth hungry for the mobile web at this point and who wants to see an $(*&$(*ing animated TV commercial when they just want the address to the restaurant. NO to Flash.
post #46 of 224
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Much as I love my iPhone, it's beginning to look a little old to me. The lack of flash is a big part of that, as mobile browsing isn't all that useful when you end up seeing an awful lot of those 'no flash plug in' icons on web pages.

I'm also growing increasingly impatient over Apple's inability to support multi-tasking on the iPhone. It would be incredibly useful to be able to have Spotify or other web radio/streaming aps running in the background while I email, browse, use google maps etc. And I'd like Twitter, IM, and other gadgets running all the time on the home screen, instead of having to launch them, then quit them, then launch them, then quit them etc etc.

The iPhone is a good device but one which is beginning to fall behind other smart phone OSs, and if I was Apple I would be working hard to get Flash, and other expected modern technologies working sooner rather than later.

There's a new-fangeled device that does everything you described above and I definitely think you should get one... it's called a computer.
post #47 of 224
Smart money says Apple has their own solution or an alternative in the works, either on their own or partnered.

Apple thinks ahead. I have no worries.
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Apple thinks ahead. I have no worries.

Exactly- that's why we got 2003 MMS in 2009!
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I don't know about where you live but the sun here shifts angles during seasons.

Only if your computer or screen is facing a window or the sun, there are other sources of light, not to mention the one behind your screen.
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Smart money says Apple has their own solution or an alternative in the works, either on their own or partnered.

Apple thinks ahead. I have no worries.

God I hope not. I am already having to adjust to developing Silverlight content. If Apple produces a plug-in of their own I will cry.
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Only if your computer or screen is facing a window or the sun, there are other sources of light, not to mention the one behind your screen.

We have small apartments here in NYC. Very few rooms without windows.
post #52 of 224
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Funny I say the exact same thing about the Genius feature in iTunes. Never use it , never will. \

Oh stop your trolling!!! (I know it's all your good at)

The point I was making is that there is no "turn-off" feature for being tracked by Flash-cookies and websites now use that if they (or their marketing sites) are unable to track you using traditional cookies. Thereby taking away your right to decide.

Genius on the other hand...when you turn it off, it's off. Thank you for providing me with further support of my argument.
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I think it would be nice to have flash and leave it up to the user to choose whether they want it enabled or disabled.
post #55 of 224
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Exactly- that's why we got 2003 MMS in 2009!

All the other phones didn't have decent email, unlike the iPhone, so had to rely on some crappy half rate price-gouging technology known as MMS.
post #56 of 224
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The point I was making is that there is no "turn-off" feature for being tracked by Flash-cookies and websites now use that if they (or their marketing sites) are unable to track you using traditional cookies. Thereby taking away your right to decide.

Genius on the other hand...when you turn it off, it's off. Thank you for providing me with further support of my argument.

You don't know how to clear cookies?
Even after you turn off Genius Apple has that information on you- so your point is?.
post #57 of 224
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We have small apartments here in NYC. Very few rooms without windows.

Same here too but that doesn't mean your computer has to be facing one of them, there's usually an inside wall or one where you can cover at least one of the windows, how else would you sleep well?
post #58 of 224
I don't understand all the hatred towards Flash. If you don't like it, DON'T INSTALL IT ON YOUR IPHONE!!!

What is wrong with giving us another option to use? If the OPTION is made available, I will use it on my iPhone. If you don't want to use Flash, you wouldn't have to install it on your iPhone (if it were made available).

Again, I don't see what the issue is here. I absolutely DESPISE text messaging and have no use for it since I can email with my iPhone. So I called AT&T to disable it. No harm, no foul.

Same with Flash, if you don't want to put up with it, don't install it... end of discussion. But if the rest of us want to use it, why would you support limiting that option to us?
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Originally Posted by tawilson View Post

All the other phones didn't have decent email, unlike the iPhone, so had to rely on some crappy half rate price-gouging technology known as MMS.

Apple don't give crap - that's why why just got MMS. Get with the program.
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Originally Posted by mazda 3s View Post

i don't understand all the hatred towards flash. If you don't like it, don't install it on your iphone!!!

What is wrong with giving us another option to use? If the option is made available, i will use it on my iphone. If you don't want to use flash, you wouldn't have to install it on your iphone (if it were made available).

Again, i don't see what the issue is here. I absolutely despise text messaging and have no use for it since i can email with my iphone. So i called at&t to disable it. No harm, no foul.

Same with flash, if you don't want to put up with it, don't install it... End of discussion. But if the rest of us want to use it, why would you support limiting that option to us?

agreed 1,000%.
post #61 of 224
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

We have small apartments here in NYC. Very few rooms without windows.

Explains your very blinkered view of the world
post #62 of 224
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Flash would kill the battery and iPhone has a YouTube app. I would have said you were right when the iPhone came out, but after owning two of them I now see this argument as dead-wrong. YouTube has become the internet standard, and on the web wherever there is a YouTube video the iPhone OS can play it. Around 1/3 of the internet use YouTube everyday, we don't need no stinking Flash.

last time I checked 33% is still an F bro :P
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post #63 of 224
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Originally Posted by oweneck View Post

Same here too but that doesn't mean your computer has to be facing one of them, there's usually an inside wall or one where you can cover at least one of the windows, how else would you sleep well?

I don't sleep with the sun up, usually at work. I have double blinds. My point is that unless I haver the windows behind my computer it's not gonna work. And having all that light hit me in addition to my screen is just wrong.
post #64 of 224
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

I don't understand all the hatred towards Flash. If you don't like it, DON'T INSTALL IT ON YOUR IPHONE!!!

What is wrong with giving us another option to use? If the OPTION is made available, I will use it on my iPhone. If you don't want to use Flash, you wouldn't have to install it on your iPhone (if it were made available).

Again, I don't see what the issue is here. I absolutely DESPISE text messaging and have no use for it since I can email with my iPhone. So I called AT&T to disable it. No harm, no foul.

Same with Flash, if you don't want to put up with it, don't install it... end of discussion. But if the rest of us want to use it, why would you support limiting that option to us?

I agree completely too, however what advantage would you have in canceling your SMS feature, other than for receiving unwanted text messages?

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I don't sleep with the sun up, usually at work. I have double blinds. My point is that unless I haver the windows behind my computer it's not gonna work. And having all that light hit me in addition to my screen is just wrong.

You alter your sleep based one when the sun rises, even when it may rise at 5am then? It's useless responding over and over again but my original point was that light in your home or office is something that always needs to be worked with, whether its your computer or any other device or way of living. If you also have windows on every single wall, the sun moving in a mostly two dimensional way, most of the year there's going to be at least one wall with a window that will have barely any direct sunlight showing through. Why would you just complain about Apple's glass screens, even matte screens are effected by direct sunlight, why would you not complain about everything in life that you have to look then? It's the light that you need to manipulate and change. However, if we we're talking about a laptop or something more mobile, I'd definitely have to agree with you.
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If I were Apple, this is the point I would use my massive amount of on hand cash to buy Adobe.
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If I were Apple, this is the point I would use my massive amount of on hand cash to buy Adobe.

or AT&T, or Palm, or Woolworths , or the Beatles.
or all of the above.
post #67 of 224
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Bro- I use flash all the time on my 3 year old iMac - works just fine.

Ok bro.
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post #68 of 224
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You don't know how to clear cookies?
Even after you turn off Genius Apple has that information on you- so your point is?.

The clearing isn't the problem, you idiot! If you read half of what I typed properly then you'd see that it's about the cookies being created in the first place!
  • If I disable third-party cookies, they are not accepted/created EVER!!!
  • The third-party cookies are generally used by the likes of doubleclick and other ad networks (basically any cookie from something other than the domain in the browsers address bar).
  • Flash cookies are independant from the web browser (as Flash is a plug-in).
  • Flash cookies are therefore being created and therefore the tracking happens.
  • This tracking is being used even when I have EXPLICITY SAID "NO DON'T TRACK ME".

Go back under your bridge and wait for the billy-goats!!!
post #69 of 224
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Originally Posted by alkrantz View Post

Google (Insert product name here) & (Sucks) and tell me how many hits you get. I am not arguing that flash is perfect. The truth is often times the problem with flash is the programmer. This is the end result of a tool being popular enough to have novice users developing content.

Anyway I am not a flash evangelist, as I said, you can believe me or not, and I will continue to work in the field using the available tools. If flash goes away than so be it. None of that changes the fact that flash isn't going to disappear before competing manufacturers make phones that will do everything the iPhone does WITH flash, my only point here is that consumers WILL care and they will show it with their purchases.

I am not arguing that flash is going away. In fact I stated the opposite in one of my comments. I was merely stating it sucks on OS X, i.e. compared to that other BIG operating system.
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post #70 of 224
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

If you don't want to use Flash, you wouldn't have to install it on your iPhone (if it were made available).

That argument doesn't work, as even though I really don't want it on my desktop machine there are far too many sites I visit that require the piece of crap that is Flash!!
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Originally Posted by tawilson View Post

The clearing isn't the problem, you idiot! If you read half of what I typed properly then you'd see that it's about the cookies being created in the first place!

Go back under your bridge and wait for the billy-goats!!!

Ooh , you hurt my feelings with that one. NOT!
Now exactly- why is it considered trolling to like FLASH?
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Bro- I use flash all the time on my 3 year old iMac - works just fine.

Stream hulu for a couple hours and come back saying flash is fine. Flash on mac is awful. That said, no flash on the iPhone can be annoying. I was looking at condos earlier this year and every single one of the developers had flash websites. If no flash on the iPhone does help kill flash, I'm all for it it. If it doesn't, there is no point to not have it especially if it can be disabled easily.
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That argument doesn't work, as even though I really don't want it on my desktop machine there are far too many sites I visit that require the piece of crap that is Flash!!

Why such hatred of flash? Did your wife catch you on a porn site or something?
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Bro- I use flash all the time on my 3 year old iMac - works just fine.

Some Flash video on my MacBook uses 80% CPU (Guardian.co.uk videos and NYTime.com videos are especially bad.) YouTube can be anywhere from 30% or so to 80%).

Under Windows XP or Win7 on exactly the same hardware, using the same Browser (Firefox) CPU use is around half the OS X use. I think the descrepancy is far more noticable on a Laptop when the fans kick in and the battery life plummets as soon as Flash does anything - especially when you have Windows as a reference.

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post #75 of 224
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Apple don't give crap - that's why why just got MMS. Get with the program.

They added MMS to shut up the likes of you who complain every bloody feature that device X has that iPhone doesn't have, despite the iPhone having another 40+ features that device X lacks and if device X does have the feature the iPhone generally does it better anyway.

But it's all a moot point now anyway re:MMS.
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Stream hulu for a couple hours and come back saying flash is fine. Flash on mac is awful. That said, no flash on the iPhone can be annoying. I was looking at condos earlier this year and every single one of the developers had flash websites. If no flash on the iPhone does help kill flash, I'm all for it it. If it doesn't, there is no point to not have it especially if it can be disabled easily.

Streming anything for hours using anything will mess up anything - and your point?
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Funny I say the exact same thing about the Genius feature in iTunes. Never use it , never will. \


Teckstud .... I can't believe it, I actually agree with you this time. Hey wait, are you using that jedi mind meld thingy on me?
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Teckstud .... I can't believe it, I actually agree with you this time. Hey wait, are you using that jedi mind meld thingy on me?

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post #79 of 224
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Why such hatred of flash? Did your wife catch you on a porn site or something?

No, again if you'd paid any attention you'd have garnered some of the reasons:
  • 90+% CPU Utilization
  • Third-party Flash-cookies
  • Annoying noisy ads (such as that friggin' mosquito one)
  • Flash ONLY websites/web pages

That's why I hate Flash!!
post #80 of 224
I wouldn't mind having Flash as an option that you could turn off in Settings if need be.
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