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Apple's exclusive carrier contracts for the iPhone in each country continue to fall, as a new report has claimed that two new carriers in Canada will offer the handset.

Citing sources within both companies, The Globe and Mail reported that Bell Canada and Telus Corp. will begin selling the iPhone in November, bringing the previously exclusive contract held by Rogers Communications for more than a year to an end.

"The country's two largest incumbent telecom companies, under pressure to re-ignite growth as new wireless competitors begin operations this year, are banking on Apple Inc.'s ground-breaking smart phone to help them sign up bigger-spending customers and shift the balance of power in Canada's mobile market," the report said.

The inhibitor for Bell and Telus had previously been incompatibility with the iPhone on their 3G networks. However, both providers have reportedly caught up with Rogers and are prepared to offer Apple's handset.

Neither carrier would officially confirm the deal, and Apple also refused to comment on the matter. However, the report cited people familiar with the matter who said an announcement was likely to come this week.

The news comes just weeks after both Vodafone and Orange announced they will carry the iPhone in the U.K. in the coming months. Until now, Apple's smartphone has been exclusive to O2 in Great Britain.

Apple also entered into a three-year deal with China Unicom to sell the iPhone in the carrier's country, but that agreement was non-exclusive. The iPhone went on sale in the country on Oct. 1. Now, Apple has turned its attention to competitor China Mobile, the world's largest wireless carrier.

Last week, analyst Kathryn Huberty with Morgan Stanley cited the end of exclusivity in most major countries as a sign that iPhone sales will skyrocket in the coming year. In a note to investors, Huberty predicted that Europe, China and Korea will all see near-term multi-carrier expansion, while Apple will adopt a multi-carrier model in the U.S. in the long-term.
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Oh joy! That means I can get my iPhone sooner than later. I was once under the belief that I could have my iPod Touch and my cell phone as separate devices. However, with all the cool apps and interoperability of the iPhone/iPod Touch, I've come to realize that I'd much prefer to carry around one device.

Hope this news comes true.

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Apple's exclusive carrier contracts for the iPhone in each country continue to fall, as a new report has claimed that two new carriers in Canada will offer the handset.

Citing sources within both companies, The Globe and Mail reported that Bell Canada and Telus Corp. will begin selling the iPhone in November, bringing the previously exclusive contract held by Rogers Communications for more than a year to an end.

"The country's two largest incumbent telecom companies, under pressure to re-ignite growth as new wireless competitors begin operations this year, are banking on Apple Inc.'s ground-breaking smart phone to help them sign up bigger-spending customers and shift the balance of power in Canada's mobile market," the report said.

The inhibitor for Bell and Telus had previously been incompatibility with the iPhone on their 3G networks. However, both providers have reportedly caught up with Rogers and are prepared to offer Apple's handset.

Neither carrier would officially confirm the deal, and Apple also refused to comment on the matter. However, the report cited people familiar with the matter who said an announcement was likely to come this week.

The news comes just weeks after both Vodafone and Orange announced they will carry the iPhone in the U.K. in the coming months. Until now, Apple's smartphone has been exclusive to O2 in Great Britain.

Apple also entered into a three-year deal with China Unicom to sell the iPhone in the carrier's country, but that agreement was non-exclusive. The iPhone went on sale in the country on Oct. 1. Now, Apple has turned its attention to competitor China Mobile, the world's largest wireless carrier.

Last week, analyst Kathryn Huberty with Morgan Stanley cited the end of exclusivity in most major countries as a sign that iPhone sales will skyrocket in the coming year. In a note to investors, Huberty predicted that Europe, China and Korea will all see near-term multi-carrier expansion, while Apple will adopt a multi-carrier model in the U.S. in the long-term.
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I wish someone would leak when Verizon will pick up the iPhone. I am very close to activating my old 3G for my wife and she will be leaving Verizon. I know she is going to hate the coverage but the phone usability is so much better than any phone she has ever used or seen.
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post #4 of 32
So Bell and Telus are finally ready with their HSPA networks.

Took em long enough.
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I thought they were working on a LTE network rather than 3G...... But either way, good news for consumer.
post #6 of 32
It sounds like Telus and Bell are only supporting the iPhone with their 3G network. If that's the case then you're going to be doing quite a lot of roaming on Roger's GSM network.

Anyway, last time I shopped around for a Blackberry (6 months ago) Rogers had the best data plan by a good $30 to $40 a month over Bell; Telus's data plans were still from the stone age. All this really means is that Telus and Bell and going to have to come down substantially to meet Roger's rates.
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Ok I thought the iPhone was a GSM phone and both Bell and Telus are CDMA. We might then have the chinese CDMA version of the phone or is there something I'm missing here... Bell and Telus phones do not have sim cards at all. Videotron on the other hand has bought some new frequencies recently and they do operate on GSM, that might push some pressure on Rogers (and their second name Fido) but I doubt they could get the iPhone for their first year with the new waves...

Let me know if I get something wrong here or is CDMA-3G compatible with GSM-3G...

Anyways, Fido is the only one billing by the second so I'll stick with them!
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Ok I thought the iPhone was a GSM phone and both Bell and Telus are CDMA. We might then have the chinese CDMA version of the phone or is there something I'm missing here... Bell and Telus phones do not have sim cards at all. Videotron on the other hand has bought some new frequencies recently and they do operate on GSM, that might push some pressure on Rogers (and their second name Fido) but I doubt they could get the iPhone for their first year with the new waves...

Let me know if I get something wrong here or is CDMA-3G compatible with GSM-3G...

Anyways, Fido is the only one billing by the second so I'll stick with them!

CDMA is dying and everyone will be switching to GSM over the next few years. Bell and Telus have partnered because of the huge investment in hardware necessary for the switch.

The switch was originally planed for the first half of 2010, but was hastened because of the huge pull of the iPhone*: people are requesting that phone and they don’t want anything else !
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I wish someone would leak when Verizon will pick up the iPhone. I am very close to activating my old 3G for my wife and she will be leaving Verizon. I know she is going to hate the coverage but the phone usability is so much better than any phone she has ever used or seen.

How do you know she will hate the coverage? Have you been using an iPhone, or even any cell phone recently on the AT&T Network in the areas you/she plans to use an iPhone?

I have been with AT&T for years and have been totally satisfied with the service I have had previously with a Motorola and the last 15 months with an iPhone 3G. I travel the west pretty regularly and yes there have been few drops but truthfully no more than I see from my friends/business cohorts on other systems. As for the 3G service, just rarely have I gone into the Edge system...oddly enough, in downtown San Fran in a high rise hotel (Hotel Nikko)!

Yes... some areas are obviously worse than others but remember you are hearing these negatives from some people here that don't even have an iphone. There is not a "perfect" cell system.

My biggest criticism of the iPhone, as many others do, and that is battery performance. But you will also hear that none of the good smartphones have "great" battery performance yet. As long as you use 3G, wifi, apps, etc etc... all good smartphones will suffer battery performance.
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Ok I thought the iPhone was a GSM phone and both Bell and Telus are CDMA. We might then have the chinese CDMA version of the phone or is there something I'm missing here... Bell and Telus phones do not have sim cards at all. Videotron on the other hand has bought some new frequencies recently and they do operate on GSM, that might push some pressure on Rogers (and their second name Fido) but I doubt they could get the iPhone for their first year with the new waves...

Let me know if I get something wrong here or is CDMA-3G compatible with GSM-3G...

Anyways, Fido is the only one billing by the second so I'll stick with them!

CDMA is not compatible with GSM/3G. CDMA is run over 1.25 MHz channels... the 1X channel carries voice and some slow data. For fast data the CDMA standard uses a separate channel called EVDO... and this combination is considered "3G". It used synchronized transmission.

The GSM tech is totally different... it is based on time division of the channels. Their 3G version is like CDMA, except it uses 5MHz channels and is also know as WCDMA. Voice and data are mixed. Data rate is supposed to be faster but the mixing and lack of synch make the performance dubious as ATT has experienced.

Anyway, WCDMA or UMTS was created by the European gang consisting of Nokia, Ericsson and even Moto in an attempt to stiff Qualcomm out of their royalties. They still have to pay QCOM. Apple has to pay a chunk of money to QCOM plus the European cabal.

20% of the 3G market is CDMA, so Apple could build a CDMA phone for VZ and other carriers... but they are too mule headed to change. Besides VZ, the big problem is going to be China Mobile with over 350M subs. They have GSM but will change to their own version of 3G called TD-SCDMA. That another soup that will be hard to implement.

LTE will be an improvement on paper. However the upgrade will be expensive. Need totally new radios, chipsets. Tower spacing may change. All that data will need hi capacity routers and fiber. Talk about 10s of $Billions. I really thing that they can soup up the current 3G, add routers, fiber and just improve coverage.
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So Bell and Telus are finally ready with their HSPA networks.

Took em long enough.

yeah. and it means it's going to be in vancouver (for the olympics), toronto (just 'cos) and montreal (to shut quebec up). then they're going to take years and years and years....

i believe it when i see it. and by then my THREE year contract will be up.
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I mean I'm sure there are a million good reason for a cellphone provider to join the rest of the world with a GSM network.. But I just don't see this happening.

Most other phone companies make a version of their best phones for telus and bell. I just don't see them BOTH changing over their entire network across the entire country in order to sell one phone model.. even if it is as amazing as iPhone... especially in a couple months!!

Not to mention their largest competition (who happens to be the countries largest cell phone provider) has already accommodated to the iPhone market for almost a year and a half. The only market they can really attack is their own customers who wanted an iPhone but were to loyal to switch over.. which in a cellphone market I don't see being that big..

Is their something I'm missing maybe??
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Ok I thought the iPhone was a GSM phone and both Bell and Telus are CDMA. We might then have the chinese CDMA version of the phone or is there something I'm missing here... Bell and Telus phones do not have sim cards at all. Videotron on the other hand has bought some new frequencies recently and they do operate on GSM, that might push some pressure on Rogers (and their second name Fido) but I doubt they could get the iPhone for their first year with the new waves...

Let me know if I get something wrong here or is CDMA-3G compatible with GSM-3G...

Anyways, Fido is the only one billing by the second so I'll stick with them!

Bell and Telus are implementing an UMTS / HSPA joint network. This is compatible with the current iPhone 3G and 3G S.

Both the CDMA and HSPA network will run concurrent until they decide to cap CDMA ... Telstra in Australia employed the same CDMA / HSPA strategy as well (they finally shut their CDMA network after building their UMTS/HSPA network).
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Anyways, Fido is the only one billing by the second so I'll stick with them!

Rogers still honours those of us that had the old billing by the second plans. Same as evening and weekends which start at 6 pm.

Had those features back in the old Cantel days and still do.
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I wish someone would leak when Verizon will pick up the iPhone. I am very close to activating my old 3G for my wife and she will be leaving Verizon. I know she is going to hate the coverage but the phone usability is so much better than any phone she has ever used or seen.

Your are SOL man. AT&T and Verizon's 3G technology are incompatible as a previous user already described. That means that IF (very big IF) Verizon gets the iPhone, your existing iPhones, whether 2G, 3G, or 3GS, would not function on Verizon's network anyway.

Best guess for end of exclusivity would be when Verizon and AT&T move on to 4G LTE in the next few years, since that will finally give Apple the ability to produce a single phone that works throughout the world AND at home on the most networks. I've been hearing rumors flying about Apple dropping exclusivity in the US in 2010. Somehow that time frame just doesn't quite jive with what Verizon has been saying about widespread, nationwide availability of its 4G service, which is only slated to begin testing at the end of this year, with limited rollouts in 2010. Widespread rollout is not slated until 2011. That essentially leaves 1.5 years before Verizon's network is ready.

As for AT&T, they are even further behind, with testing not scheduled to commence until 2010, and beginning rollouts in 2011 through 2012. Luckily for AT&T, they can prolong the life of their 3G network by rolling out HSPA+ 7.2Mbps much like they prolonged their 2G network by deploying EDGE. Hopefully that stop-gap measure is sufficient as they begin their rollout of 4G.
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This is great news. Finally some good old competition among Canadian companies. Unless they secretly make deals to screw us, this should make for some better pricing.

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post #17 of 32
Please, not Bell.
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yeah. and it means it's going to be in vancouver (for the olympics), toronto (just 'cos) and montreal (to shut quebec up). then they're going to take years and years and years....

i believe it when i see it. and by then my THREE year contract will be up.

There have been rumblings about a possible Bell-Telus merger, you know. At least according to a mid-level management source I have at Rogers. And the CRTC might not say a word about it because apparently, the telecom industry in Canada is about to get a whole lot more competitive over the next year.
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I just want to be able to get into a 'Voice-Only' contract and use WiFi for my surfing, etc.
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CDMA is not compatible with GSM/3G. CDMA is run over 1.25 MHz channels... the 1X channel carries voice and some slow data. For fast data the CDMA standard uses a separate channel called EVDO... and this combination is considered "3G". It used synchronized transmission.

The GSM tech is totally different... it is based on time division of the channels. Their 3G version is like CDMA, except it uses 5MHz channels and is also know as WCDMA. Voice and data are mixed. Data rate is supposed to be faster but the mixing and lack of synch make the performance dubious as ATT has experienced.

Anyway, WCDMA or UMTS was created by the European gang consisting of Nokia, Ericsson and even Moto in an attempt to stiff Qualcomm out of their royalties. They still have to pay QCOM. Apple has to pay a chunk of money to QCOM plus the European cabal.

20% of the 3G market is CDMA, so Apple could build a CDMA phone for VZ and other carriers... but they are too mule headed to change. Besides VZ, the big problem is going to be China Mobile with over 350M subs. They have GSM but will change to their own version of 3G called TD-SCDMA. That another soup that will be hard to implement.

LTE will be an improvement on paper. However the upgrade will be expensive. Need totally new radios, chipsets. Tower spacing may change. All that data will need hi capacity routers and fiber. Talk about 10s of $Billions. I really thing that they can soup up the current 3G, add routers, fiber and just improve coverage.


...and you can say thanks to the European "gang"/"cabal" for giving you LTE as well as they gave you WCDMA... even the ol'GSM standard, as seems your CDMA (and whatever NA standard is) goes nowhere!
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post #22 of 32
I signed a 3-year contract two months before the iPhone came out with fido. Now the 3G will cost me 599 plus Quebec & Canadian taxes and the 3Gs will cost 699 + taxes ... this is like torture, I see everyone with an iPhone and I cannot get one until the end of 2011
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IT'S OFFICIAL:

http://promotions.telus.com/registration/

Someone at Telus is fired. EL JOBSO will have the black ops guys take him out. Nobody announces iPhones cept El Jobso.

We're seen it before , We'll see it again.
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post #24 of 32
Hopefully this will spark some plan competition (options to forgo data, shared family plans, etc). The biggest hinderance to greater iPhone adoption IMO is the fact that you can't really get a plan for it which costs you much less than $1k per year. And if two people in your household have one, then it's double.
 
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I don't hold out any great hopes for decent price competition between Bell/Telus and Rogers/Fido for the iPhone.

As much as I'd love to have one (and have developerd seven apps to date for them) there is no way my better half will allow me to sign a three year contract and spend nearly $3000 on a phone over that timeframe. Not gonna happen (sigh). [Eds. note ... yes, yes, I know it's no more expensive than BlackBerry etc etc.]

I can't see Bell/Telus rates undercutting Rogers/Fido by more than a few dollars, if at all. The respective CEOs all golf at the same private clubs, are greedy as hell, and have the CRTC by the short and curlies ... no way either will undercut the other and precipitate a price war. Sad but true.
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Citing sources within both companies, The Globe and Mail reported that Bell Canada and Telus Corp. will begin selling the iPhone in November, bringing the previously exclusive contract held by Rogers Communications for more than a year to an end.


That was quick. November 2009 is next month.

Videotron will launch its own cell phone service in Toronto and, on a brand new network, relaunch its service throughout Quebec in February 2010. I am sure that Videotron will carry the iPhone as the newest cell phone network will not want to be without it.


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I don't hold out any great hopes for decent price competition between Bell/Telus and Rogers/Fido for the iPhone.


I can't see Bell/Telus rates undercutting Rogers/Fido by more than a few dollars, if at all. The respective CEOs all golf at the same private clubs, are greedy as hell, and have the CRTC by the short and curlies ... no way either will undercut the other and precipitate a price war. Sad but true.

Sadly, you are most likely right.

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How do you know she will hate the coverage? Have you been using an iPhone, or even any cell phone recently on the AT&T Network in the areas you/she plans to use an iPhone?

I have been with AT&T for years and have been totally satisfied with the service I have had previously with a Motorola and the last 15 months with an iPhone 3G. I travel the west pretty regularly and yes there have been few drops but truthfully no more than I see from my friends/business cohorts on other systems. As for the 3G service, just rarely have I gone into the Edge system...oddly enough, in downtown San Fran in a high rise hotel (Hotel Nikko)!

Yes... some areas are obviously worse than others but remember you are hearing these negatives from some people here that don't even have an iphone. There is not a "perfect" cell system.

My biggest criticism of the iPhone, as many others do, and that is battery performance. But you will also hear that none of the good smartphones have "great" battery performance yet. As long as you use 3G, wifi, apps, etc etc... all good smartphones will suffer battery performance.

The largest reason she would know the coverage sucks is because I have purchased an iPhone on Day 1 of every release. Feel good about your coverage because it sucks in my neck of the woods. She also had an AT&T phone for work and it sucked. I was at Hilton Head last week with limited coverage. None inside my hotel complex, beach, or just about anywhere we were on the island. Her Verizon phone could receive text inside and talk outside with no problems.

My battery life is fine. I don't use bluetooth for anything even though I can with my car. I keep my screen brightness down too. If Skype is updated to ring me when the app is closed, that may change. ;-)
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Your are SOL man. AT&T and Verizon's 3G technology are incompatible as a previous user already described. That means that IF (very big IF) Verizon gets the iPhone, your existing iPhones, whether 2G, 3G, or 3GS, would not function on Verizon's network anyway.

Best guess for end of exclusivity would be when Verizon and AT&T move on to 4G LTE in the next few years, since that will finally give Apple the ability to produce a single phone that works throughout the world AND at home on the most networks. I've been hearing rumors flying about Apple dropping exclusivity in the US in 2010. Somehow that time frame just doesn't quite jive with what Verizon has been saying about widespread, nationwide availability of its 4G service, which is only slated to begin testing at the end of this year, with limited rollouts in 2010. Widespread rollout is not slated until 2011. That essentially leaves 1.5 years before Verizon's network is ready.

As for AT&T, they are even further behind, with testing not scheduled to commence until 2010, and beginning rollouts in 2011 through 2012. Luckily for AT&T, they can prolong the life of their 3G network by rolling out HSPA+ 7.2Mbps much like they prolonged their 2G network by deploying EDGE. Hopefully that stop-gap measure is sufficient as they begin their rollout of 4G.

I'll buy my contract out and buy a new iPhone. I don't give a crap. Apple can build a phone that will work with Verizon if VZW shows them the money.
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So a couple more kids are in the club. Will not change the pricing one bit I imagine. Need someone from outside the old boys club to shake it up with an offering that will cause these guys to need to make themselves competitive. Not going to hold my breath.

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So a couple more kids are in the club. Will not change the pricing one bit I imagine. Need someone from outside the old boys club to shake it up with an offering that will cause these guys to need to make themselves competitive. Not going to hold my breath.

Apparently over the next year, we'll be getting exactly that.
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Apparently over the next year, we'll be getting exactly that.

I don't think so.

Other than Videotron and Shaw (who are delaying their wireless build), no one has real CASH to front a major build in Canada. These guys are starting from scratch, with no customer base. The aforementioned customers (including Bell, Telus and Rogers) all have wireline cash to fund their wireless expenditures.

This is the exact same as when everybody wanted to be a "carrier's carrier", thinking they could build a massive network carrying terabytes of data across the country and around the world.

What happened, not enough customers, price undercuts, companies go bankrupt. The incumbents are left to pick up the ashes for pennies on the dollar (Rogers w/Sprint Canada, Bell with Group Telecom, Level3 with Wiltel, Verizon with MCI).

Plus we are in an economic winter like no other.

Mark my words, other than the cablecos, the wireless guys are fat turkeys waiting to be plucked as they blew their load on the last auction and no spare cash to build and run. And the incumbents are just lurking, waiting to pick them up for cheap.

Same old, same old.
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