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Verizon has teamed with Google to bring two Android-powered phones and the Google Voice service to its network, in an effort to fight off the iPhone and its exclusive agreement with AT&T.

Together, the two companies plan to create, market and distribute both products and services featuring Android-powered phones on the Verizon Wireless network. The two companies plan to co-develop handsets that will come with "innovative applications" created by both, as well as third-party developers already seen on the Android Marketplace.

And in what is likely a direct challenge to Apple and the iPhone, the Google Voice service will be allowed on all Android-powered Verizon handsets. The first two handsets are expected to be released in a matter of weeks.

"You either have an open device, or not," Lowell McAdam, CEO of Verizon Wireless, said in a conference call Tuesday. "And this will be open. We expect to bring that... application to market when we bring the first device out."

Apple has refused to accept the first-party Google Voice application onto the iPhone App Store, stating that the software too closely mimics its own default phone software. Both Google and Apple disagree on whether the application was formally rejected from the App Store.

Verizon's new "open" stance is quite a change for the company, which has traditionally kept tight controls over devices on its network. Earlier this year, the nation's largest wireless carrier said it would create its own application store and, at the time, said it would be the only option available for handsets.

"The nations best wireless broadband network is a perfect complement to the innovation of Android-powered services and devices," McAdam said this week. "Together, well work to deliver a compelling new experience to our customers."

Eric Schmidt, chairman and CEO of Google, left, and Lowell McAdam, CEO of Verizon Wireless, held a joint conference in New York City Wednesday. Photo courtesy Verizon.

For Google, the deal with further expand the Android platform which, for a majority of its first year on the market, was only available on one device and on one carrier in the U.S.

"The Android platform allows Verizon Wireless customers to experience faster and easier access to the web from any location," said Eric Schmidt, chairman and CEO of Google. "Through this partnership, we hope to deliver greater innovation in the mobile space to consumers across the U.S."
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"You either have an open device, or not," Lowell McAdam, CEO of Verizon Wireless, said in a conference call Tuesday.

A priceless comment from Verizon.
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Verizon, Google... but nothing about Apple! Ugh.

Anyhow, being on Verizon I'm glad to see the Android OS coming here (though I'd like the option of the webOS too) but I am betting that Android will come with a steep Verizon fee. Open, yes, but you are going to have to pay for it!
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Verizon, Google... but nothing about Apple! Ugh.

Anyhow, being on Verizon I'm glad to see the Android OS coming here (though I'd like the option of the webOS too) but I am betting that Android will come with a steep Verizon fee. Open, yes, but you are going to have to pay for it!

Higher than my AT&T iPhone bill? My god you would need a loan then.
Anyway old news ,I posted this yesterday afternoon.
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A priceless comment from Verizon.

Another annoying comment from annoynymouse with no content.
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Verizon, Google... but nothing about Apple! Ugh.

Anyhow, being on Verizon I'm glad to see the Android OS coming here (though I'd like the option of the webOS too) but I am betting that Android will come with a steep Verizon fee. Open, yes, but you are going to have to pay for it!

Is the Pre coming to Verizon this year or next? So Verizon actually has a bucketful of iPhone competitors now.

I highly doubt now that iPhone is ever going to Verizon since the news of the past 2 days.
"Is there a Map for that" and now this.

Oh well - looks like I'm stuck with AT&T 'cause I'm sure not as hell going to T-Mobile.
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Let's see if Android escapes the fate of Windows. "One OS many devices" eventually runs up against the problem of runaway complexity. Android will get complex enough as the functions demanded of it increases. That complexity increases geometrically when the OS has to support several different devices, each with its own unique characteristics. Just too many moving parts to keep track off. Good luck keeping down the code bloat on Android.

Google will try to address this by publishing a very tight list of phone specs, but they can only go so far with this standardization. What hand set maker wants to sell a phone that is hardly distinguishable from its competitors? So each handset maker will add on their own customized tweaks then it's even worse than Windows. Android would no longer be an OS but a class of OSes. Sorta like Linux as seen by non-geeks. (So there's Ubuntu, and SUSE, and Redhat and what have you and they're all Linux but they're also all different from each other.)
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Is it a device that you can put whatever App you want?

OK. So, the iPhone is not "open" in that sense. But, do I care if non-approved Apps are all crummy? What about security issues in an "open" device?

Let's have some discussion going about this.
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Is it a device that you can put whatever App you want?

OK. So, the iPhone is not "open" in that sense. But, do I care if non-approved Apps are all crummy? What about security issues in an "open" device?

Let's have some discussion going about this.

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I could see this deal being the thing that drove the wedge between Schmidt and Jobs, if this is in fact Verizon's alternative to carrying the iPhone.

But I don't see any upside for Verizon in allowing the Pre, Windows Mobile, RIM and Android onto its network with their own app stores but still refusing Apple. Nothing will sell them nearly as many lucrative data plans as the iPhone.
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Is the Pre coming to Verizon this year or next? So Verizon actually has a bucketful of iPhone competitors now.

I highly doubt now that iPhone is ever going to Verizon since the news of the past 2 days.
"Is there a Map for that" and now this.

Oh well - looks like I'm stuck with AT&T 'cause I'm sure not as hell going to T-Mobile.

If anything, Apple will go with T-Mobile. Verizon has insulted Apple too many times.
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After years of unrivaled control over the advanced smartphone market, Apple and ATT finally have a real competitor on their hands. This could be what Palm wanted to be when it launched Pre.

I say a good network and a whole bunch of money to develop android (which has made a few enemies in the Apple world) could create a device that can rival the iPhone in hardware, software and reception.

Of course there could be a downside of the phone becoming an ad-generating machine that also happens to be a smartphone.
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This ruins the chances of us seeing the iPhone on Verizon and I'll tell you why.
Notice that Verizon will have their heavy hands all over Android's App store/catalog if you read the story. This is stupid and moronic of Google to allow that to happen.

Do you think Apple will allow Verizon to touch their app store with their stupid non-consumer oriented apps or allow Verizon to have final say on apps? No, they won't.

We all know Apple controls, ultimately, what is and is not on the Apple app store despite rumors about AT&T. Apple will want no less in any deal they do with Verizon if the AT&T exclusion deal ends next year.

Now, I don't see the exclusion deal ending any time soon.

Crap!
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Is it a device that you can put whatever App you want?

OK. So, the iPhone is not "open" in that sense. But, do I care if non-approved Apps are all crummy? What about security issues in an "open" device?

Let's have some discussion going about this.

Verizon definition of "Open Device" probably means a device with Wifi... finally
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If anything, Apple will go with T-Mobile. Verizon has insulted Apple too many times.

Apple is going with multiple carriers in more and more territories. Why no Verizon? Apple knows about marketing and wouldn't let a minor insult get in the way of making millions, would they? Consider Apples 'I'm a Mac / PC' campaign which has been running for years and the fact that they still 'rely' on MS Office and Exchange for their own offerings. If Apple feels that they can sell millions more iPhones through Verizon, and Verizon feels that by carrying the iPhone it will increase revenue significantly, it is unlikely that the fact that it also carries the pre, and Android, and whatever else makes any difference. Lots of carriers carry the same phones, all of which do pretty much exactly the same thing.
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I really don't think that Verizon even wants the iPhone and all the headaches that come with it (heavy bandwidth users who are very vocal). They enjoy sitting on the sidelines, touting their superior network, that has never really been 'tested' yet.

If they are smart, they will continue to look interested so as to make the pending AT&T-Apple extension more 'hurtful' to AT&T (higher subsidies).
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Android is a joke and partnering with Verizon will not change that. The fundamental problem is that Android is open and will suffer from all the known problems of "openness", which is a huge deal breaker compared with hardware-software optimized devices (iphone).

On the other hand I am rooting for anything that may drive ATT out of its cozy deal with Apple.
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Another annoying comment from annoynymouse with no content.

It's simple. Verizon doesn't give a rat's ass about open. The open comment makes it easier for their engineers to lock down the functionality of the phone and continue their glorious history of crippling phones over their networks.
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Apple approached Verizon about an exclusive deal for the iPhone. Verizon can't see over the horizon to see how big the iPhone will be and turns it down. The iPhone becomes the best phone EVER. People ditch Verizon (and others) just to get an iPhone. Verizon says "Uh oh, now what do we do?" Verizon starts trying to counter all the iPhone hype: "There may be 75,000 apps out there, but most people only use a few" (this is from my own personal experience when I dropped Verizon when I bought my iPhone). There are lots of excuses that Verizon offered against switching. In the end, I HAVE AN IPHONE!! I will deal with whatever I have to because the iPhone is freaking AWESOME!! Will I switch to Verizon if/when they get the iPhone? Probably, but I wouldn't switch back and NOT have an iPhone PERIOD. You can keep your Android phones and all of those other second and third-rate phones, and I will keep my iPhone. I will deal with dropped calls, smaller 3G coverage areas, but under absolutely NO condition will I go from my iPhone to ANYTHING else. Get the picture, Verizon.
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Apple is showing the world that "open" is worthless when your product/service can't deliver an enjoyable, coherent, consistent user experience.

And so far, Android is off to a slow and rather unimpressive start. We're still waiting for the big G-phone revolution.
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Is any Apple device truly "open"? \

It depends on your definition of open? Define an open device.
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Apple is showing the world that "open" is worthless when your product/service can't deliver an enjoyable, coherent, consistent user experience.

And so far, Android is off to a slow and rather unimpressive start. We're still waiting for the big G-phone revolution.

Gartner is forecasting that Android could become the #2 mobile OS by 2012, a bit over 2 years from now.

Apple has not shown that "open" is worthless. Does Windows being dominant on the desktop show that the Mac is worthless? No. They have shown that they are capable of delivering a fantastic user experience through seemless integration. This is not new to the iPhone, as it has been their MO since the beginning. This is why most of us on these boards use Apple products. This does not in anyway mean that an open alternative could not also be successful.

I truly hope that Android becomes a success. This will force Apple to compete, which will in turn drive their innovation, which will mean I get continued improvements for my next iPhone. Similarly, in Canada, while I won't likely ever switch to Bell or Telus, the fact that they are now carrying the iPhone makes me hope they are successful with it. Their success would force my carrier, Rogers, to improve their service.

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It depends on your definition of open? Define an open device.

It's one of those wonderfully vague terms that can be casually tossed around when insulting your rival.

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Another annoying comment from annoynymouse with no content.

teckdude: You gotta stop this "piling on" on annonymouse.

In the first place, as king of the "one liner annoying comment that has nothing to do with the thread," it's more than a bit ironic (and stupid, and offensive) that you keep calling out others on the very thing that you do the most.

Secondly, annoymouse's comments might sometimes be short like yours, but they have about three times the content on average, and are usually on topic.

Your's are not.

Why does AppleInsider even let you post over and over again, that's what I don't understand. You are offensive, you make everything personal, and you never have anything good or relevant to say. You have made deeply personal attacks on people from time to time but never get banned or (apparently) even warned by the moderators. I don't get it unless you are related to someone at AppleInsider or something.

The only time you add anything to the debate is when some more intelligent than yourself (and overly kind), like solipsism re-iterates what you said so that it sounds reasonable or topical, even though it's probably not what you intended to say at all.

Please stop with the one-liner insulting remarks. You aren't funny.

Moderators, please do your job and start giving this person at least the occasional warning. Many more intelligent people who contribute far more to the debates on this site have been banned (temporarily) for less than what teckstud does on a regular basis.

I'm super tired of it myself, how about you?
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Gartner is forecasting that Android could become the #2 mobile OS by 2012, a bit over 2 years from now.

Gartner is not the most reliable forecaster.
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I can not believe people were surprised about this and that iphone will not go to VZ, all the stupid rumors people were hearing before thinking VZ was talking Apple those rumors were really between VZ Google, Motorola and LG, and you can bet those phones really will not be open, why would they be, the iphone is not really open if you think about it.
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I'm super tired of it myself, how about you?

Well, it's probably best to just ignore him.
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Apple is going with multiple carriers in more and more territories. Why no Verizon? Apple knows about marketing and wouldn't let a minor insult get in the way of making millions, would they? Consider Apples 'I'm a Mac / PC' campaign which has been running for years and the fact that they still 'rely' on MS Office and Exchange for their own offerings. If Apple feels that they can sell millions more iPhones through Verizon, and Verizon feels that by carrying the iPhone it will increase revenue significantly, it is unlikely that the fact that it also carries the pre, and Android, and whatever else makes any difference. Lots of carriers carry the same phones, all of which do pretty much exactly the same thing.


Not to mention that if Apple takes the iPhone on over to Verizon with Google and Android having just set up, it will truly be an Apples to Apples comparison in regard to the consumer having either device at hand to purchase along with a Verizon phone plan. Then one can see which is truly preferred. In fact, have the PRE come along if not there already and let the chips fall where they may! And may the best smart phone "win"!

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I can not believe people were surprised about this and that iphone will not go to VZ, all the stupid rumors people were hearing before thinking VZ was talking Apple those rumors were really between VZ Google, Motorola and LG, and you can bet those phones really will not be open, why would they be, the iphone is not really open if you think about it.

Verizon is trying to stop people from moving to the iPhone and the Pre. Remember when they said they will get the iPhone and the Pre early this summer before their release? And now few months later they tell us they are not interested anymore. Verizon is trying to steer people away from buying these phones as much as they can but it doesn't seem to be working well for them
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Let's see if Android escapes the fate of Windows. "One OS many devices" eventually runs up against the problem of runaway complexity. [...]

Google will try to address this by publishing a very tight list of phone specs, but they can only go so far with this standardization. What hand set maker wants to sell a phone that is hardly distinguishable from its competitors? So each handset maker will add on their own customized tweaks then it's even worse than Windows. Android would no longer be an OS but a class of OSes. Sorta like Linux as seen by non-geeks. (So there's Ubuntu, and SUSE, and Redhat and what have you and they're all Linux but they're also all different from each other.)

Everything that Google has done so far has been very smart. The separation between OS code (written in C) and application code (written for Dalvik) is very clear and will allow the underlying hardware/software to change without causing major compatibility headaches.

We're not going to see a similar story to desktop Linux where each flavor of the OS uses a different application framework and packaging system. Going even further, there's no technical reason why the Dalvik runtime engine couldn't be ported to Symbian or Windows Mobile, thus producing more compatible devices rather than less.
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It depends on your definition of open? Define an open device.

Well I know what closed is- One that's not letting me put on and do with whatever I want with it. In other words - I own the device, it's mine to do with what I want with.
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Another annoying comment from annoynymouse with no content.

perhaps i can explain, from my perspective verizon is notorious for locking out phone capabilties and closing your choices off to line there own pockets. verizon's comment is hypocritical.

i just hope that this will increase competition and drive my phone bill down, i'll stay with ATT because i've not had any, ANY problems with there service or coverage. i'd sure like a $50/month everything plan or less.
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teckdude: You gotta stop this "piling on" on annonymouse.

In the first place, as king of the "one liner annoying comment that has nothing to do with the thread," it's more than a bit ironic (and stupid, and offensive) that you keep calling out others on the very thing that you do the most.

Secondly, annoymouse's comments might sometimes be short like yours, but they have about three times the content on average, and are usually on topic.

Your's are not.

Why does AppleInsider even let you post over and over again, that's what I don't understand. You are offensive, you make everything personal, and you never have anything good or relevant to say. You have made deeply personal attacks on people from time to time but never get banned or (apparently) even warned by the moderators. I don't get it unless you are related to someone at AppleInsider or something.

The only time you add anything to the debate is when some more intelligent than yourself (and overly kind), like solipsism re-iterates what you said so that it sounds reasonable or topical, even though it's probably not what you intended to say at all.

Please stop with the one-liner insulting remarks. You aren't funny.

Moderators, please do your job and start giving this person at least the occasional warning. Many more intelligent people who contribute far more to the debates on this site have been banned (temporarily) for less than what teckstud does on a regular basis.

I'm super tired of it myself, how about you?

Ok - let me get this straight- in 9 paragraphs, you're calling me a name, manically whining , and asking the moderators for help in ignoring my posts? That's rich.
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I truly hope that Android becomes a success. This will force Apple to compete, which will in turn drive their innovation, which will mean I get continued improvements for my next iPhone.

This is absurd. You have it all backwards. Apple does not now, and never has needed an outside catalyst for innovation. The iPhone IS the innovation that is causing the rest of the industry to dramatically change. The best everyone else can do is try to catch up to where Apple is leading. Apple has no reason to respond to what others are doing. So far, no one has even caught up to the first gen iPhone. With their world-class built-in accessibility features that no one else is even capable of thinking of, Apple is so far out in front with the 3GS, they could rest on their laurels for the next five years. The thing is, they're not resting at all. They are already cooking up the next iteration of the iPhone. If history is any guide, by the time the industry catches up to the present reality, Apple will have warped reality again.
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Android is not what I would call "open," but in comparison to the iPhone, it's open.

For example, tethering apps tend to find themselves removed from the Android Market. OTOH, you can download and install them yourself--some without rooting the phone. However, if there is a concept of "rooting" the phone at all, it's not an "open" phone.

Despite all that, the iPhone is nowhere near as open as Android, thanks to the App Store being the only legitimate way to install applications--and Apple is the gatekeeper to the App Store. Sure, squelch lowers noise but it can also lower signal.

Apple may not have to worry about Android yet, but they need to keep an eye on it.
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So far, no one has even caught up to the first gen iPhone.

I respectfully disagree. The G1 with the latest Android (Donut) is superior to the first-generation iPhone. I've owned both.
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I respectfully disagree. The G1 with the latest Android (Donut) is superior to the first-generation iPhone. I've owned both.

The funny thing is everytime I get the dreaded "E" symbol on my 3Gs, I stop to ponder how those initial pioneers could deal with that snail pace. And it didn't even have the faster inerds!
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Android is not what I would call "open," but in comparison to the iPhone, it's open.

For example, tethering apps tend to find themselves removed from the Android Market. OTOH, you can download and install them yourself--some without rooting the phone. However, if there is a concept of "rooting" the phone at all, it's not an "open" phone.

Despite all that, the iPhone is nowhere near as open as Android, thanks to the App Store being the only legitimate way to install applications--and Apple is the gatekeeper to the App Store. Sure, squelch lowers noise but it can also lower signal.

Apple may not have to worry about Android yet, but they need to keep an eye on it.

When is AT&T to unleash tethering?
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Is the Pre coming to Verizon this year or next? So Verizon actually has a bucketful of iPhone competitors now.

I highly doubt now that iPhone is ever going to Verizon since the news of the past 2 days.
"Is there a Map for that" and now this.

Oh well - looks like I'm stuck with AT&T 'cause I'm sure not as hell going to T-Mobile.

Actually on my "new for me" 2G iPhone, T-mobile has been pretty acceptable. I'll admit it is a step down from Verizon in terms of network coverage. I'm not going to be pulling down 1.5 mbits in the mountains or getting perfect reception on the beach, but it has been tolerable and the plans were cheap. I clocked in as a non-smartphone and got 1000 minutes and unlimited data/messaging for $65.

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I could see this deal being the thing that drove the wedge between Schmidt and Jobs, if this is in fact Verizon's alternative to carrying the iPhone.

But I don't see any upside for Verizon in allowing the Pre, Windows Mobile, RIM and Android onto its network with their own app stores but still refusing Apple. Nothing will sell them nearly as many lucrative data plans as the iPhone.

I don't think they are refusing Apple by virture of the fact they allowed all those brands on their network. I think it is Apple that is refusing them.

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