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Apple was certainly around in the 1970's and Bill Gates and Steve Jobs worked together in the 1970's. Learn to read.

In fact let me give you this article that shows you the war was over a long time ago.


http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/d5...obs-interview/

I think you need to learn how to read my illiterate friend, Apple was formed on April 1st 1976, not 1970. I don't expect PC users, to know facts or figures, they never can read them properly, to busy calling call centres for help.

That doesn't surprise us "fanboys".

After all, doesn't everything suck on Windows?

The ('s) means they were started within that decade. I didn't say the exact date was 1970 I said it was in the 1970('s). Get a clue.

If you knew half of what I know about IT you would be in good shape.

Obviously you don't know too much as Steve and Billy boy never worked together, MS produced its first product for the Mac, not for PCs, as Windows didn't exist until several years later. And regarding the 1970(s), you picked it up wrong from another PC fanboy who stated 1970 and not the 1970(s), you need the clean your glasses.

If you knew as much as I do about IT, you wouldn't use a PC.

No actually it doesn't. Even Vista isn't bad. The main problem with Vista at the start was many systems were sold as Vista Ready and they really weren't. Most of the people that bad mouth Vista never really use it.

Lets be honest its not like Leopard hasn't had its share of issue.

Steve and Bill have actually worked together on many issues. In fact Steve Job hired Bill Gates to code . I believe he was paid 38,000 at the time.

You are clearly just some angry fanboy that no one can debate. When you get down to looking at a typo your really reaching.

Here I will give you yet another link where Bill and Steve talk about working together.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/s...e-from-d-2007/

Seeing you didn't comment on that last one I assume you just want to argue stupid points.

[QUOTE=extremeskater;1495812]Steve and Bill have actually worked together on many issues. In fact Steve Job hired Bill Gates to code . I believe he was paid 38,000 at the time.

You are clearly just some angry fanboy that no one can debate. When you get down to looking at a typo your really reaching.

I didn't comment on the last one because it was totally irrelevant and stupid to bring a TV debate about their years in the IT industry, the war isn't over, are you really that naive??? Apple and MS are at each others throats, but it seems Apple is the one winning lately. Only PC users argue over stupid points, Mac users just get on with working, and not calling call centres for help.

PC users can't have a debate amongst themselves, let alone with Mac users. I 'm not an angry fanboy, I just love my Mac. It appears PC fanboys like you can't take it. Do you have you PC tech call centre on speed dial???

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What can't we take? I have never understood that comment. I am a Mac user and a PC user. The point is these are tools not something to fall in love with. I have been using a Mac for almost two decades that hardly makes me an Apple basher.

What I don't like is people like you because your attitude is the reason why people think all Apple users are assholes. When people like you use terms like Microshaft or Windoze it just makes you look like a idiot.

And to act like Windows users are jealous is a total joke. Like they can't walk into their local Apple store and buy any product there? You act like you have something they can't have if they wanted it.

Also what makes you think owning a Mac makes you more technical? You cant change anything on your Mac its totally controlled by Apple. You cant even swap hardware if you wanted too. All drivers are controlled by Apple you cant even pick different drivers based on your needs. Third party software is next to nothing. You even have to beg to try and get a system with quad cores.....LOL.

You get what Apple gives you and your stuck with it. I get the system I want based on my needs and I can change it at anytime. You better hope it just always works because you cant do shit if it doesn't until Apple decides to fix it.

As for calling tech support I am tech support. I am sure running a business out of your parents basement makes you feel like you know whats going one but you will get over that.

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What can't we take? I have never understood that comment. I am a Mac user and a PC user. The point is these are tools not something to fall in love with. I have been using a Mac for almost two decades that hardly makes me an Apple basher.

What I don't like is people like you because your attitude is the reason why people think all Apple users are assholes. When people like you use terms like Microshaft or Windoze it just makes you look like a idiot.

And to act like Windows users are jealous is a total joke. Like they can't walk into their local Apple store and buy any product there?

I would love for more PC users to go there and be educated and buy Apple stuff.
You can swap a few hardware items actually. Any good Apple tech guy would know this.
Apple does not control all the drivers.
There are thousands of 3rd party software, for Macs.
MS gives you what they want and you are stuck with it.
Like MS doesn't have a monthly virus warnings, and take forever to fix the numerous bugs in windows.

Its hard running a business of 150 people from my parents basement, but what do you know?? Very little, boy do you know how to make assumptions, sweeping statements, talk the same crap that comes from your diapers. You are the ASSHOLE, because you are a PC tech guy.

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The only user upgrade you can do is ram we know this. That isn't exactly high tech. Any other upgrades would void your warranty. We also all know this.

Yes Apple controls all your drivers. If you want to change versions of your video card driver please let me know how you would do that. We both know you can't.

Thousands? If you go to this little webside call apple.com you will find under 200 total. You are dreaming.

MS has nothing to do with third party software or drivers. Get a clue what you are talking about.

Just because you have 150 people in your Sims game doesn't mean they work for you. And your mom bringing you down lunch doesn't mean she is your assisant....LOL.

Apple did, in fact, create the whole iPod culture without any pressure or competition from MS, or anyone else for that matter, so I don't think we have to worry about Apple getting complacent. That's not part of their DNA. I think sales of products is what drive prices.

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Didn't you know you can swap hard drives, optical drives, video cards, as well as RAM without the warranty being effected. There you go, a free education on things Mac. After 33 years in business, you think Apple only has 200 apps!!!!! What a moron you are. Keep on taking those pills, crack etc. I got at least three 3rd party updates without Apple's help or control, recently. Back to answering those PC users problems, added bug features for you boy. You are number 4,167 in the queue, our idiot PC tech guy will be with you, when ever he learns not to talk out of his arse.

Does your mummy know you're out?

I still use Tiger (skipped Leopard waiting for SL). What was a mess about Tiger? From the very beginning I found it to be a very satisfacory OS, thus my willingness to only buy every second OS instead of every one. Please tell me Tiger's "problems" ... I'm truly curious.

It's not hard to sell out an inventory of two.

Show me some actual and accurate sales figures, then maybe, just maybe, your posts will be more valid. You know, facts rather that opinion.

Why not? Isn't that what Windoze users do when comparing one computer company's OS (Apple) against all of the other companies in the whole world (PC). What goes around comes around and all that.

Windoze users didn't "decide to use them". They screamed blue bloody murder for them until SJ could not ignore them anymore. That's what a well thought out and manufactured product will do for you. MS should try it sometime.

Or an admission that their device, well, sucks!

TeckDud, since you seem to have the ability to read minds, when do you get the ability to read yours, since the quality of your posts would seem to suggest you don't have it now?

Yeah I don't really think thats what happened. I think its more like SJ got tired of having no market share in anything and wanted to know what it was like to finally be on top with at least one product.

Simple fact still remains without Windows users the ipod would be nothing. If itunes could not install on Windows the Zune would be killing the ipod.

Actually, for me at least, it does. The internet radio feature of iTunes, not to mention podcasts, iTunes U, complete with video, lectures, etc. from dozens of different universities and other iTunes features, all FREE allow me to be exposed to new music and a ton of different content anywhere I can access the internet, which is just about any place nowadays. Works for me ... did I mention it's FREE?

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You must be kidding me we are now trying to count third party iphone apps? Thats not 3rd party software that runs on your Mac. Seeing you are so high tech maybe you can read up on the difference between apps and software.

You CAN NOT swap out any parts without it voiding your warranty for the exception of ram.

Your one angry little man. Why don't you go take a ride in your pink hybrid with the apple sticker on the window and cool off for a while. Haven't you figured out I was done with this debate a long time ago. You cant have rational debate with someone like you.

Two things:

1. Ms illegally tried to kill browser competition and fought the government on this, if I'm not mistaken.

2. Apple kills competition by developing insanely great products and services where none exists at the time. Do you seriously think the smart phone industry would be where it is today without the iPhone ... same for the app store ... or the same retail experience?

Microsoft could do itself a favor and "steal" Apple's philosophy instead of their products and ideas. That's why we even have fanboys, and I'm proud to be one, because no one likes a thief !

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You have shown your total and utter lack of any IT knowledge, apps is short for applications, ie software like MS Office, InDesign, Photoshop. You mentioned iPhone apps, I didn't. You will no doubt deny that Apple has got 85,000 apps on their App Store. If you knew anything YOU CAN swap hardware on both Mac and PCs, especially out of warranty, its the same for all manufacturers, PC or Mac, if you change items before the warranty runs out, so your argument was plain stupid. It appears you were too stupid to know, I was playing with you 8 messages ago. Just wanted you to appear more stupid than your first message. Congrats you've won a Gold medal. Quick answer that phone call, a PC user is calling again. I suppose you should be lucky has MS will keep you in a tech support job for life. Its a built-in feature of all PCs.

TeckDud, I'm guessing that SLIGHTLY more people buy from Amazon than from your single favorite bestbuy store you seem to hang your hat on .... get real !

What competition has Apple killed? What are the #1 in besides the ipod? RIM still had three of the top 5 phones in Q1 2009 also having the #1 spot.

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_090504.html

Also not sure what you consider insanely great products that overheat most of the time, get stress cracks and need about three firmware updates before they actually work right.

Funny how Apple calls firmware dates as improvements when really they are just fixing broken shit.

I was going to point out that it is spelled Apple, not Applle, but that would be too obvious.

I'm sorry, but the image of the Zune killing anything made me fall off my chair ... I should sue.

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Are you sure you were done a long time ago cause I swear i can still "hear" you talking.

If I was the manufacturer of a brand new product, I would sure like to have the industry's highest consumer satisfaction rating, or the rate of growth that Apple is presently enjoying or the cash in the bank, for that matter. Hell, for that I'd I would even put up with a few idiots in my custormer data base, present company excepted, of course.

Do you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about? Or are just raging at the world? I use both an iPhone and a Zune HD (and a Sony Walkman A818 ... and a Cowon X5). Both iTunes and Zune 4.0 softwares work fine on my system (a Mac Mini with Snow Leopard and Windows 7 RC).

Please stop posting FUD.

It doesn't need to be in the top ten of anything to be a nice product. I use a Zune HD and an iPhone? Why? My iPhone's sound quality is so-so. The Zune HD sounds better and I have no desire to burn up my iPhone's battery listening to music. It hardly holds enough of a charge as it is...

I think you are missing the point. He is stating that if Apple had never opened up iTunes/iPod to Windows users, the iPod would just have been a blip on the radar...based purely on numbers. I had a 5GB iPod and Windows XP....NOT FUN using 3rd party software. I NEVER met a soul at my two universities the first two years the iPod was out who even knew what an iPod was. Heck, more new what my minidisc player was!!!

The guy is right. IF Apple had not opened the iPod to Windows, it would not have sold as well. It would never have had the opportunity to expand into the public's eye because 99% of the folks out there are not to going to use a work-around just to transfer files to a machine that does not natively work on their computers.

I see your point, but here's the thing. Even though Mac OSX backup is only two years old (with the release of 10.5), it's backup and recovery is leaps and bounds better than Windows IMO (although it has improved over the years). The restore point is a handy feature in Windows but it is nowhere near as thorough to me. As far as the "not as smart" remark, it more a rebuttal for the remark you made in a earlier post. Those kind of things come off as condescending and have no merit when you don't actually no the person's background. They also serve no purpose towards meaningful discussion.

To extremeskater---You can replace the RAM, the HD, and the optical drive. Sure there aren't as many sources as there are for Win PCs, but they are there (like OWC, for one). The motherboards, cases, and built in displays (iMacs and laptops) are really the only things that you cannot find aftermarket. I wish they did sell them, but that is the trade off with Apple products overall.

To both extremeskater and fonejacker--Ease up fellas. The senseless bickering is going nowhere fast.

extremeskater says--"You CAN NOT swap out any parts without it voiding your warranty for the exception of ram. "

You technically can't do that (swap out parts) with any computer under warranty, plain and simple.

I agree. This is what I have always gone by in regards to Apple. So I consider ram the only user upgrade that is allowed by them without risk of voiding warranty.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22109?viewlocale=en_US

The backup process is pretty good if you have Vista Ultimate but if you don't you are right its pretty poor for the exeception of restore.

10.5 was a big improvement however before that it was a real pain in my opinion everytime you had to revert a change.

My point at the start was the comment "everything just works" is a myth and it gets old hearing people use that old catch phrase.