Originally Posted by NoahJ
Well, the issue is not that Lucifer opposes what God stands for. The issue is that Lucifer wants to be God. That is the sin that was his downfall. Trying to take Gods place.
Just out of interest, where do you derive this belief from? I think you should analyze where they come from, how much comes from the Bible and how much is from elsewhere...
For example: there is no Biblical - Old or New Testament - statement anywhere that Satan resides in Hell. This belief derives exclusively from literature - Dante and Milton in particular. The Bible, on the contrary often describes Satan as being in heaven and having access to God as you yourself admitted earlier in the thread.
The 'War in Heaven' to which you refer above (Satan's fall) occurs ONLY in the Revelation of John and every scholar and a large amount of the more rational theologians, concurs that as the whole of Revelation is a future prophecy of the end of the world then this is also. Christians - typically - have interpreted this part of a future prophecy as referring to the past.
More importantly, as the Christian view of Satan derives originally and principally from Hebrew Scripture then it is to Hebrew Scripture which one must turn for the original view of Satan which is the basis of the Christian view. Not surprisingly, the original Judaic view is very different and has been significantly altered with no reason or basis whatsoever - other than perhaps superstition and folk belief.
In the book of Job, ha-satan is the title of an angel submitted to God; he is the divine court's chief prosecutor. In Judaism ha-satan does not make evil, rather points out to God the evil inclinations and actions of humankind. In essence ha-satan has no power unless humans do evil things. After God points out Job's piety, ha-satan asks for permission to test the faith of Job.
In the Torah, satan is mentioned only twice, both times in the Balaam's ass story which is in Numbers 22. The Angel of the LORD is identified as an adversary or a physical block to Balaam's journey in Numbers 22:22. Later in Numbers 22:32 the Angel of the LORD specifically identifies himself by claiming to be like an adversary, again using the term satan.
In the book of 1 Chronicles 21:1, satan incites David to an unlawful census.
In fact, the Book of Isaiah, Job, Ecclesiastes, and Deuteronomy all have passages in which God is credited for exercising sovereign control over both good and evil.
The serpent in the garden of Eden is nowhere claimed to be Satan - and in fact in this story it is God who lies and the Serpent that tells the truth. God lies and tells Adam and Eve that if they eat of the tree they will die - they will not as it happens and the Serpent tells them this.
More: there are numerous names in the Bible that Christians equate - and sometimes translate as 'Lucifer' or 'Satan' but the problem is that all these names refer to different things; Azazel, Belial, Rex Mundi, the Dragon, Beelzebub, Prince of this World.
Originally, only the epithet of "the satan" ("the adversary") was used to denote the character in the Hebrew deity's court that later became known as "the Devil." (The term "satan" was also used to designate human enemies of the Hebrews that Yahweh raised against them.) The article was lost and this title became a proper name: Satan. There is no unambiguous reference to the Devil in the Torah, the Prophets, or the Writings.
Actually, the name Lucifer means 'Morning Star' and applies to the star Venus. Early Babylonian thought held that stars were alive...the name was thus applied to the Babylonian King (who clearly cannot also be Lucifer):
When the Bible was translated into Latin (the Vulgate), the name Lucifer appeared as a translation of "Morning Star", or the planet Venus, in Isaiah 14:12. Isaiah 14:1-23 is a passage largely concerned with the plight of Babylon, and its king is referred to as "morning star, son of the dawn". This is because the Babylonian king was considered to be of godly status and of symbolic divine parentage (Bel and Ishtar, associated with the planet Venus).
While this information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
So clearly from above, the association with Satan's rebellion is all a misinterpretation!
In order to prove this further, Jesus himself is also called Lucifer in the New Testament....
I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star
This term 'morning star' is exactly
the same word used in Isaiah for Lucifer (well, not for Lucifer as I said above - but that's how Christians translate it):
How you have fallen from heaven,O morning star, son of the dawn!,You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
And again in 2 Peter 1:19:
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
In short, Lucifer became associated with the 'Devil' due to Christian folkloric traditions and this occurred after Jerome's Vulgate translation in the 4th century.