Originally Posted by segovius
You post apologetics from secondary sources - very poor.
We are talking primary sources here and let's limit evidence from there please - unless you want me to start posting the full Christological exegesis of the Shafi'i school.
...unless you want to argue that Christ held Paul's view and it was the Disciples in error. Which you probably do...
Apologetics -- no that's not apologetics, that's exegesis -- and Matthew Henry is about as vanilla a commentary as you can get. Besides, the Church at large, whether Orthodox, Roman, Protestant etc., is in agreement on what happened.
(which is what I posted) As to Christ holding Paul's view -- I'd have to imagine it was
the same, after having approached him the way He did.
On what the disciples "thought" or taught -- you forget that after the crucifixion, Christianity essentially consisted of 11 scared Jews in a room somewhere. Jews who still didn't understand that the Gentiles were in on salvation -- the same Jews who assumed, after hearing Christ speak of the destruction of Jerusalem, that that literally meant the end of the world. This was a huge issue, borne out by numerous run-ins on whether to hold on to the ceremonial law, as well as the priesthood; Peter not wanting to enter a gentile home, and so on. All of which culminated with Paul and the other Apostles meeting in Jerusalem and finalizing what should be expected from the new converts:
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
1The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.) (Ac 15:23-29). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.
That being a major issue, but I can't downplay the Greek influence, general assumptions dealing with pagan metaphysics, etc., either. You see that with the gnostic problem, from nearly the very beginning.
But as for Christ contradicting Paul -- that simply isn't in the text.