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post #121 of 465
I thought the article was actually pretty accurate. I use Windows at work, and on an HTPC at home. The interface isn't awe inspiring. It's a bit too much like Vista to be evolutionary, but it's workable and gets the job done. Performance is WAY better than Vista, and easily comparable with XP. I would even go beyond 'It doesn't suck" and also say that it's good.

Would I consider switching to Windows 7? No. I use it for work only because I have to, or for gaming on those few Windows games I can't get on a Mac, but calling it shitty for no reason other than the fact that it's Windows is disingenuous. As MS products go, it's not bad.
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post #122 of 465
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I know most won't agree with me on this but IMO it's just not fair to refer to these guys as biased when they are among the few that are going out of their way not to be.

Whether or not they can be proven bias, you can't call yourself a respectable tech journalist for the New York Times and do musical videos singing "I want my iPhone!!"

Sure, you can't *prove* anything, but there shouldn't even be a clout of suspicion to begin with. If a majority of people so much as think you're bias, its time to hire someone else to preserve your integrity.
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post #123 of 465
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Would I consider switching to Windows 7? No. I use it for work only because I have to, or for gaming on those few Windows games I can't get on a Mac, but calling it shitty for no reason other than the fact that it's Windows is disingenuous. As MS products go, it's not bad.

That's been my attitude about it. There's nothing in Windows 7 that's going to compel a mac user to switch back, but if you choose to (or have to) work on a Windows PC, you're going to pray its nothing short of Windows 7. Its at least refreshing to work on a PC box that you know is going to get the job done without hassle.
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post #124 of 465
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As someone who bounces between XP, Vista and my personal Windows 7 machine on a daily basis can tell you that Windows 7 is *FAR* better than Vista ever has been. Even fully updated, Vista continues to grind on modern hardware. Its menu system is still cluttered, performance is still sub-par, and you don't have all the taskbar and preview options that are found in Windows 7. Not to mention the security tweaks, including the revamped UAC which is much less annoying and just as protective.

Its more than hype, and if you sat down and compared the two over a period of time, you'd notice the difference.

Maybe I was just lucky, the computer I got for my parents performs very well. It is a brand-name PC that came with Vista preinstalled. They had no security or stability problems in almost 2 years (no A/V installed). I see no reason to upgrade to 7.
Anyway, I think that from the performance point of view, if a machine runst Vista poorly, it will also run 7 pretty badly.
post #125 of 465
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What? Have you used 7? I'm running the 64-bit version and that thing is as smooth as butter.

Spaces stolen from Apple... LMAO Virtual desktops predate Apple by quite a few years. They'd be stealing a Xerox/*nix idea, not Apple. And to be honest, I've yet to use spaces consistently. It's a useless feature with Exposé, IMHO. Same goes for Windows, and I have used 3rd party VDMs only to return to alt-tab.

I will concede that the registry needs to make an exit, but don't hold your breath. Windows is all about backward compatibility.

yes...i have used it, but then decided to switch to mac and of course will never go back

try using windows 7 in a core 2 quad, with 4 gb of ram, and snow leopard in a core 2 duo with 2 gb of ram ... and tell me the difference...

windows should be free...because it's garbage...although...who'd pay for garbage?

angry pc users can switch to linux (fedora is great) if they can't afford a mac...but windows is a POS...
post #126 of 465
Maybe it was because it was on Fox, which prominently displays Apple laptops in front of its anchors, but I saw the last part of a Mossberg interview on the Fox Business Network about 2 hours ago and he was mentioning that Windows 7 will not import your programs when you upgraded, you'll have to resinstall them from CDs, then apply all the patches
post #127 of 465
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

I guess you have never heard of NeXTStep, which existed years before the task bar appeared in Windows 95. Mac OS X is a re-write of NeXTStep, which included the Dock.

Actually next didn't invent the dock either. It was in OS/2 first back in 1992. And stardock has created one around the same time.
post #128 of 465
I don't think Apple will have to do any "scrammbling" now that there competitors operating system sucks a little bit less.
post #129 of 465
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Apple needs to put most of its attention on this tablet, and the all-new Mac OS X touch OS. Which they likely are. They furthermore though need to take a leaf out of the Google playbook by making Mobile me completely free. They need to beef up the feature set it offers, and use that to help sell hardware. Also, they need to start bundling iWork with all new Macs (and bundle it as part of the OS), the full version, for free. All these factors would make the Mac far more appealing over night. Then then can move more Macs and get back to doing some real innovation behind the stage curtain.

Now, more than ever...it seems the 'tablet' could be the future salvation of the Mac platform. Now more than ever, they must focus on it.

I think it's going to be part of the end game.

Vista, 7...copy, after copy...following, stalking the Mac OS X's footsteps...playing catch up. Innovation? Where? We've had Tiger and Leopard for years. Now they have 7? Wh-oo-p.

Where Apple goes next, M$ will not be able to follow.

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post #130 of 465
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I'm actually in the market to buy a very comparable Windows 7 laptop for my mother for about $700. For what she gets (Core 2 Duo, nVidia 9400m, etc), she's getting an amazing computer with an operating system she's familiar with. At the same time, I don't have to worry about random crashes or glitches, and seeing as she'll rarely go online, viruses.

To her, a PC is the perfect choice. The mac, however, would require trying to retrain her on every little detail about it, answering questions like "Where is the start menu?"

I bought my mother her first Macbook this past spring and I was worried about the constant support I would have to provide. I was pleasantly surprised by how quickly and easily she picked everything up. She said she's actually less afraid to try something on her Macbook than she did on her old PC.

So far, the only question she had was iPhoto was missing from her dock and she thought she broke something because it was there before. Apparently it was easy for her to accidentally drag it off the dock and not realize it. She was nervous about "poking" around and didn't want to go into her Applications folder. She's fine now and can probably show me a thing or two on the Mac.
post #131 of 465
50 Million Touches/iPhones. (Mini Macs.)
25-30 Million installed based of Macs.

Let's called it 80 million 'Macs' and counting.

And the tablet will only add to the 'Halo'.

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post #132 of 465
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If there are certain applications you would like at startup that require administrator access, you can always set a task that will launch the application with any parameters as an administrator WITHOUT triggering UAC.

That would be very useful to me, but I don't know how to do that

I did notice that user account control comes up less often than it did when I tried vista. Startup is the most annoying, so if I could fix that, I would be happy.
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post #133 of 465
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Maybe I was just lucky, the computer I got for my parents performs very well. It is a brand-name PC that came with Vista preinstalled. They had no security or stability problems in almost 2 years (no A/V installed). I see no reason to upgrade to 7.
Anyway, I think that from the performance point of view, if a machine runst Vista poorly, it will also run 7 pretty badly.

Also incorrect. Recently, I had to reformat a dying Dell Dimention 2400 with 1GB of ram running Windows XP. As a test, I decided to grab my copy of Windows Vista and Windows 7 RC. First Vista - the hard drive never stopped churning for nearly three hours. Even with the indexing service turned off, the computer was almost completely unresponsive, taking ages to do just a simple update. After that failed experiment, I decided to run Windows 7 the following day. The difference was black and white. Windows 7, though still not as responsive as a modern computer, ran well enough for me to be happy. It runs quietly, as clean and pristine as any other computer I've run it on.

I suppose its a matter of being spoiled. If you're used to Vista and can live with it, the difference isn't automatically apparent. But try using it for a few months, then switch back to Vista. You'll immediately see what I, and everyone else, is talking about.
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post #134 of 465
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I know this is the "common wisdom" (that Mossberg is pro-Apple), but I personally have never seen evidence of it.

Get out.
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post #135 of 465
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

50 Million Touches/iPhones. (Mini Macs.)
25-30 Million installed based of Macs.

Let's called it 80 million 'Macs' and counting.

Let's not go that far.
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post #136 of 465
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Maybe it was because it was on Fox, which prominently displays Apple laptops in front of its anchors, but I saw the last part of a Mossberg interview on the Fox Business Network about 2 hours ago and he was mentioning that Windows 7 will not import your programs when you upgraded, you'll have to resinstall them from CDs, then apply all the patches

First of all, *most* people will get upgraded to Windows 7 when they buy a new PC, so they'll have to reinstall their applications anyway. And what about if you want to reformat your computer from scratch? Don't you have to reinstall all your applications as well?

These factors are true of *ANY* PC, whether its Windows or Mac. The amount of people who upgrade from a disk is a very minimal amount of Windows users, around 1%, and of those, only XP users will have to reinstall - Vista users can do an in-place upgrade even if its not recommended.

So its a moot argument.
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post #137 of 465
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THANK YOU. i'm an apple fanboy too, but i'm not an idiot. Windows 7 is good. my shares of AAPL are nervous that several switchers will switch back. MSFT will make a killing on win7 because every corporation in the world that's still on XP will upgrade, and that's a shit-ton of corporations.

Some people here forget that MS biggest problem right now is XP not Mac OS. Windows XP market share is still much more than than Mac and Vista combined and XP market is much easier to capture and have more potential for growth. Furthermore, MS need to get XP users to switch to Windows 7 so they can ditch XP support.
post #138 of 465
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yes...i have used it, but then decided to switch to mac and of course will never go back

try using windows 7 in a core 2 quad, with 4 gb of ram, and snow leopard in a core 2 duo with 2 gb of ram ... and tell me the difference...

Try running Snow Leopard on a Pentium II, or an AMD 64. Oh wait, you can't. How about an Intel Atom netbook?

Win7 actually has very low requirements... it will easily run on a 1ghz Chip, or even lower, and boots up vanilla using about 400MB of RAM (about the same as OS X).

I think as someone said before, people like you give these forums (and even other Mac users) a bad name.

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post #139 of 465
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That would be very useful to me, but I don't know how to do that

I did notice that user account control comes up less often than it did when I tried vista. Startup is the most annoying, so if I could fix that, I would be happy.

Just look up the "Task Scheduler" in the Windows start menu. There are tutorials all over the internet on how to use it. Basically, you create a task that will start every time you log in, and just check the box that says "Use with Administrator Privileges" or something like that.
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post #140 of 465
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I wonder if Windows 7 has flash problems like OSX?

I played around with the beta of Win7 this summer and the difference of Flash's performance between the systems was amazing. Leopard running on a 1.8 Ghz Core Duo Mac Mini with 2 gigs of ram, Hulu videos stuttered and just did not play back smoothly. The same Conan video over the same internet connection played noticeably smoother,but it still had an occasional jutter. I blame this on Adobe for not bothering to optimize their code for osx. If Adobe's product runs better on a beta product that is six months from release then it does on mature code in Leopard then that tells me their priority lies elsewhere than with Mac users. I have since started using click to flash and will try to never buy or use an Adobe product until they give us mac users some loving!
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post #141 of 465
I use 64bit windows 7 every day on my laptop computer I bring to work (lenovo x61t) with 4gb RAM 1.6ghz processer. Windows XP on my work desktop (new Dell Optiplex 360 with 3gb ram and 2.66ghz E7300 processor) and Snow Leopard on a MBP unibody 2.53ghz with 4gb of RAM and you know what? They all work really well. I also have jolicloud on a Dell mini9 which I'll be switching back to a hackintosh soon.
Being someone who got his first mac about 2 1/2 years ago and who liked it enough to get the MBP earlier this year, I have to say that I like Windows 7 more than the Mac OS. That's probably because I've used Windows for years and I'm more familiar with it and that doesn't mean I hate Mac! lol
What gets me are the people that say Windows 7 is just a polished Vista. Well, to those people I have to saw that Leopard didn't seem like much more than a polish of Tiger and Snow Leopard hardly seems like an upgrade at all to Leopard. Again, I love my MBP, I've got a 3GS an and Airport Extreme but I refuse to drink the Apple fan boy Kool Aid!
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Cheers for that. I would love for someone who genuinely understands what the registry does and how/why to explain why people hate it so much. ...

I haven't wrassled with the registry since Windows 95 days but a few answers to the question of "what's so bad about the registry" are as follows:

1) Its a database, so like Entourage, a single corrupt file can corrupt the whole database rendering the computer useless. A problem with a single programs access to the registry, can affect all the other programs just like a single bad email in Entourage can hose your entire mail/calendar/contacts system.

2) It has few if any rules. Programs can all read and write the registry, they *may* delete their references when they are uninstalled, they may not. They may overwrite preferences for other programs, they may not. Because almost no companies ever remove their info from the registry, (even on uninstall) it's a database that is always growing and growing.

3) The registry also contains crucial system information. This means that the user that goes into the registry trying to edit something can easily destroy parts of the base system. With OS-X and Unix computers, the system is kept mostly separate from the apps.

3) The registry contains crucial information for the running of programs, not "just plist stuff." On a Mac, like most Unix systems, the .plist's are just text files, they are individual to the program and they can be deleted at almost any time without problem or affect. With very few exceptions the plist can be safely deleted for any Mac application and the app will simply re-create it on startup with all the defaults. It's like a "reset" of the program. The registry on the other hand is a delicate business containing dozens of cryptic keys and other things that the program absolutely needs to run. Deleting the registry entry for a program in Windows will many times completely "break" the program, requiring a re-install.
post #143 of 465
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Let's not go that far.

Let's. They're all 'Macs'...all 'Jobs' creatures...great and small.

All flavours of 'X' will be counted...tablet too...as, when, if it arrives. The numbers speak for themselves.

'Halo'.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #144 of 465
Well, it appears Microsoft is doing its part to help the PC industry. It's simply cheaper to buy a new PC than it is to upgrade your existing hardware with Windows 7. Seriously, $400 (stand-alone) for Windows 7 Ultimate?

With that kind of money, you can buy the Mac Box Family Pack, which includes FIVE licenses each of Snow Leopard, iLife 09 and iWorks 09 for $229. That leaves $171 to purchase, well, memory upgrades for your older Intel based Macs or a 1TB drive to back up all your software.

Interestingly, Mossberg fails to mention that Windows 7 requires much more modern and powerful hardware to perform well. Whereas Snow Leopard runs as well (if not faster) on OLDER Intel based Macs. Furthermore, there is only one flavor of Snow Leopard for Mac PCs and laptops. The "Full Monty" version!

Sorry, in this economy, it's better to use what technology you already have than to buy new. And Windows 7 represents poor value-for-money compared to Apple hardware and software. So says I, a long-time Windows (circa Windows 3.1) user.

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"just plist stuff."

Don't you mean, 'just piss stuff'?

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post #146 of 465
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

Now, more than ever...it seems the 'tablet' could be the future salvation of the Mac platform. Now more than ever, they must focus on it.

I think it's going to be part of the end game.

Vista, 7...copy, after copy...following, stalking the Mac OS X's footsteps...playing catch up. Innovation? Where? We've had Tiger and Leopard for years. Now they have 7? Wh-oo-p.

Where Apple goes next, M$ will not be able to follow.

Lemon Bon Bon.

Two things - One, I don't think you'll ever see an Apple tablet. I think you'll see a Macbook with a turn-around screen with multitouch, but I doubt you'll see a dedicated device.

Two - Microsoft isn't known for innovation, but they don't need to be. Why is BMW still making new car models every year? They haven't innovated anything knew in the designs, have they? The reason is because they figured out how to perfect an already-existing idea.

Microsoft is taking the existing ideas of how we operate a computer and working towards improving it and making it easier to use. Macs do the same thing. No one doubts that Apple has changed the technology industry, but that doesn't mean that others can't benefit from that work.
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Get out.

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Originally Posted by yuusharo View Post

First of all, *most* people will get upgraded to Windows 7 when they buy a new PC, so they'll have to reinstall their applications anyway. And what about if you want to reformat your computer from scratch? Don't you have to reinstall all your applications as well?

These factors are true of *ANY* PC, whether its Windows or Mac. The amount of people who upgrade from a disk is a very minimal amount of Windows users, around 1%, and of those, only XP users will have to reinstall - Vista users can do an in-place upgrade even if its not recommended.

So its a moot argument.

If you buy a new mac, you can use migration assistant to transfer everything from your old computer over to your new one. Time machine makes installing programs after a reformat easy, depending on why you reformatted, you might just choose for it to restore your computer automatically.

I don't see how the argument is moot. Even when installing everything from scratch, you will be done quicker on a mac (most stuff is drag and drop, no installer, and you don't need a plethora of driver/codec updates... although win 7 is better with that).
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Value-for-Money?
Well, it appears Microsoft is doing its part to help the PC industry. It's simply cheaper to buy a new PC than it is to upgrade your existing hardware with Windows 7. Seriously, $400 (stand-alone) for Windows 7 Ultimate?

With that kind of money, you can buy the Mac Box Family Pack, which includes FIVE licenses each of Snow Leopard, iLife 09 and iWorks 09 for $229. That leaves $171 to purchase, well, memory upgrades for your older Intel based Macs or a 1TB drive to back up all your software.

Interestingly, Mossberg fails to mention that Windows 7 requires much more modern and powerful hardware to perform well. Whereas Snow Leopard runs as well (if not faster) on OLDER Intel based Macs. Furthermore, there is only one flavor of Snow Leopard for Mac PCs and laptops. The "Full Monty" version!

Sorry, in this economy, it's better to use what technology you already have than to buy new. And Windows 7 represents poor value-for-money compared to Apple hardware and software. So says I, a long-time Windows (circa Windows 3.1) user.

-YipYipYipee

Well done. Good arguments there.

I'll add to them.

Apple should really make deep price cuts to its desktops...in fact, much deeper ones than they have done to the laptop line and use the laptop/iphone profits to offset this.

Ergo: cheaper entry level consumer desktop macs (which they could be if they didn't have their head up their arse with laptop premium prices components...) and really give '7' purchasers the 'squeeze' when thinking..., 'I need a new PC...oh...look how competitive this Mac is...'

You know? While the mindshare Apple 'halo' is shining bright...?

Lemon Bon Bon.

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Well, it appears Microsoft is doing its part to help the PC industry. It's simply cheaper to buy a new PC than it is to upgrade your existing hardware with Windows 7. Seriously, $400 (stand-alone) for Windows 7 Ultimate?

The article is WRONG! Windows 7 Ultimate will sell for $220 upgrade and $320 full, only $20 more than Professional.
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Two things - One, I don't think you'll ever see an Apple tablet. I think you'll see a Macbook with a turn-around screen with multitouch, but I doubt you'll see a dedicated device.

Ireland?

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Just look up the "Task Scheduler" in the Windows start menu. There are tutorials all over the internet on how to use it. Basically, you create a task that will start every time you log in, and just check the box that says "Use with Administrator Privileges" or something like that.

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$320

Or just buy a new PC?

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post #154 of 465
Looks good, but reading his review didn't convince me to switch.

And he didn't mention Time Machine or whether there is a Windows equivalent or not.

Also sounds just as easy for Windows XP users to switch to a Mac than upgrade to Win7.

How much were Win7 install times improved by cutting Mail, Photos, etc software?
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Interestingly, Mossberg fails to mention that Windows 7 requires much more modern and powerful hardware to perform well. Whereas Snow Leopard runs as well (if not faster) on OLDER Intel based Macs. Furthermore, there is only one flavor of Snow Leopard for Mac PCs and laptops. The "Full Monty" version!

You, however, failed to mention that "Intel" Macs only reach back three years, around the same time as Vista was released. Any computer that can run Vista will run Windows 7 just as beautifully, if not better. You *also* failed to mention that Windows 7 runs well on EXISTING Windows XP hardware. It runs fine on a 6-year-old Dell Dimension 2400, and with a mere $30 upgrade to the graphics processor, it has access to the entire Aero interface, along with all the preview and taskbar enhancements.

I guess you also failed to mention that Snow Leopard doesn't work on PowerPC Macs, so if yours is older than 3 years, you're out of luck and must buy a brand new Mac to upgrade, a much more costly decision than Windows 7.


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Sorry, in this economy, it's better to use what technology you already have than to buy new. And Windows 7 represents poor value-for-money compared to Apple hardware and software. So says I, a long-time Windows (circa Windows 3.1) user.

At this point, the "value" between the hardware and software is nearly even. For the Mac, you pay more for the hardware but make up for it in subsidized software (iLife, iWork, Final Cut Studio, etc). On Windows, you spend less money on hardware but more on the software. In the end, it becomes a wash.
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uh? [picture of what appears to be Windows 1.01 UI]

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Actually next didn't invent the dock either. It was in OS/2 first back in 1992. And stardock has created one around the same time.

"In 1988, Steve Jobs' NeXT began demonstrating the new desktop of NeXTSTEP, which included the new Dock."

-- http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._dock_1_6.html

I doubt very much that the Windows 1.01 UI or "taskbar" shown in the screenshot had any influence on the development of NeXTSTEP's Dock. However, if you can document that it did, please, post it here. I'm not sure of any connections between the OS/2 dock and the NeXT dock, but it would seem that the NeXT dock predates it. There have also been numerous add-ons for various operating systems that provided dock-like functionality.

But, the question is not who first had a dock/taskbar/app launcher, but did Apple steal it from the Windows Taskbar, an idea which I think can be rejected as utter nonsense. I'm not claiming anyone else stole it from NeXT/Apple. It may very well be several cases of convergent evolution.
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Or just buy a new PC?

Lemon Bon Bon.

Considering most people will do that anyway, the upgrade pricing doesn't mean much in the way of total sales. And most people will only upgrade to Home Premium, the sweet spot of the lineup, which brings the total cost to upgrade to a mere $110.

Pretty cheap, considering what you're getting.
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For fucks sake, Mossberg is one of Apple's biggest fans in print. Perhaps he gave Windows 7 a good review because its actually good? Posts like yours give websites like this a bad name.

For fucks sake I have RTM and it barely made any difference to me. It is still Windows, just acceptable to 2009 terms.

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My school has Windows 7 Professional available right now for students under their student software program. I downloaded and installed the x64 version with VMWare Fusion 2 on my MacBook Pro. Honestly, I haven't had much time to play with the thing, but I don't find it very different than Vista. The start bar is redesigned, and they managed not to rename and re-hide administrative tools like network and display configuration (which is what pissed me off the most about the move from XP to Vista). But I just don't see how anyone can conclude that Windows 7 is a vast improvement over Vista, not to mention one that puts it almost shoulder to shoulder with OS X.

I put some screenshots up on my Flickr page. Those annoying warnings are still there. I got freaking stopped and asked if I was sure I wanted to trust Adobe when installing flash. I downloaded Packet Tracer from Cisco's website, and when I tried to install the program Windows 7, for some reason, won't recognized the .exe file as valid. If I can't run Packet Tracer, Windows 7 is freaking worthless. The only reason why I'm keeping it on my MacBook Pro is so that if someone I know calls me with an issue, I can research it on my end without having to drive to their house.

Mossberg says Snow Leopard wasn't a "must-have" upgrade, even at $30. Well Windows 7 isn't a "must-have" upgrade at over $100 for people who already have Vista. I could see paying full price and upgrading from XP, but not from Vista. It would be a waste of money. If my school didn't offer Windows 7 to students for free, and Windows wasn't running the $30 offer for students on win741.com, I wouldn't even think of buying that operating system.

How the hell is an .exe file "not a valid win32 application?"


Fewer security warnings? I'm not a child. I shouldn't have to hunt for settings to turn this kind of crap off.

Masta, you try to open partially downloaded file and celebrate even OSX gets error on such files, too. Are you sure you help people FIX their problems?
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Windows 7 is really good for a Windows product, and I would say that it has closed a lot of the gap between it and OSX. On the other hand Snow Leopard hasn't really been able to show its strengths yet as most macs are still dual core and not many programs take advantage of Grand Central.

However, within two years, mac users can pretty much expect a new feature packed OS based on the solid foundation that Snow Leopard provides. Windows on the other hand, based on past history may not see an upgrade for a while and Windows 7 is already the feature packed update based on the foundation of Vista.

Windows 7 also has Grand Central type workings under the hood. It's better than vista, nuff said.

I think what most are missing from the article is the the talk of Virus's, Security flaws still present in Windows or the bad NTFS file system it's still stuck with. It's not WRETCHED like it was but it's still not up to snuff with OS X, BSD, and some flavors of Linux in those regards.

What people are going to care about the most, end users, is that it's faster than the crap they had before (vista), can run XP stuff (XP VM) and it comes on the new $399 quad core PC they just bought at the store (yes, you can buy a quad core pc right now with windows vista and 4gb of ram for $399).

When all you've had to eat for the last 4 years were plain crackers, I stick a cheeseburger in front of you it's gonna be the best thing in the world, right? But what about the table next to you that's been dining on Lobster and Fillet for the last 10 years? They just got a new recipe, nothing drastic.
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