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In iPhone 3.0 you can still update the phone firmware to ATT 5.0. This gives you MMS which works great. By downgrading to iTunes 8.2 or lower temporarily you can install an unsigned ipcc file via iTunes to enable tethering invisible to ATT. It is harmless. The ipcc file mertely changes an Apple boolean flag from false to true and displays the GUI Apple has had in the phone for several months (without having it show up on the statistics page under settings opr on your bill. Vodaphone in Australia gives tethering free. 76 countries have iPhone tethering. U.S. contract all include unlimited data transfer without specifying the origin of such data except that i be put on ATT's carrier by the iPhone. So to respond to anotherr post..... who cares what Apple does about Pre and iTunes (unless you use a Pre)....That issue has already been taken to court by Palm who lost. Apple didn't develop the iPhone support that exists to help Palm come into the 21st century.

Anyway, I won't update until I get free tethering authorized by ATT. MMS is a toy. VOIP is superfluous when you don't pay long distance or roaming in the U.S. and when Skype works fine on the iPhone.

Come on ATT......... do what's right.
post #122 of 158
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At least you have WiFi, AT ALLL. On my 3G I have zero Wifi, and no data contract

I've been stuck on my old spare 2G for the last few weeks. It could be worse though, I could have no iPhone. Still, they need to address the WiFi issues. They have been widespread for nearly two month now. Even my 2G drops WiFi now and then

Really? Because I have a 2G and it gets great WiFi reception...much better than my Macbook Pro (admittedly the metal blocks most of the WiFi reception). So I guess I must be in the minority, because my iPhone does everything perfectly?

I must say, though, the trolls (not you) are out full force today on this forum...
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Latest speed test looked great.


WHAT? Does this have to do with the RAM? My iPod touch 2G which runs at 533 Mhz as opposed to the 3GS 600 Mhz, but has half the RAM, only does 2.67 down and .46 up on WiFi!

And what ISP are you using that you can get that kind of upload speed. Where I live upload speed is usually about 1/8th the download speed.

I'm running it through an Airport Express on High-Speed Broadband Cable Modem.

My down speed on my iMac is 16.34 and up is .46. What am I missing?

OS 3.1.2

Huh???????
post #124 of 158
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Give me multi- tasking Apple and not next June .

TeckDud, why on earth would you, of all people, want multi-tasking? Seems to me your mind is always only on one track all of the time anyway, dump on Apple.
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It's not the Channel, it's not the router, it's the fricking OS.


Yea, it's the fricking OS ... that's why the thousands and thousands of users who aren't having your problems must be wrong. .... face it dude ... it just may be something other than the OS. firmware update maybe?
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post #126 of 158
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You actually have the audacity to give that response after the ***** that OS 3.0 has been since day one.
You really need to apply as an Apple Tech Support person because you actually believe the line of crap you just spewed.

Better yet, Apple's marketing department. Just give them a little and keep them wanting and paying for more with the "NEXT" phone.

so, do you still use this phone that you hate so much, this phone that makes you so unhappy that you need to vent on the internets to all and sundry? if so,

no problems here whatsover with 3.0 on the iPhone, even wifi. perhaps i'm one of the lucky few. and i stand by what i said: email >>>>>>> mms. more open multi-tasking, whilst nice, isn't a deal-breaker. improving in increments is a far better option than cramming in every device/gadget/capability imaginable and having them work half-arsedly. it's not perfect, but nothing worth crying on the internet over. just my humble opinion.
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Hey that James Taylor song just came on the radio "I bet you think this song is about you".

Not to be picky, but it's a Carly Simon song. James Taylor, an ex-husband was once thought to be the subject of the song but was ruled out by Carly herself. The smart money is on Warren Beatty.
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I'm not the only one that wants.

1. A Stable OS to get me through my contract.
2. Multi Tasking to catch up with the rest of the mobiles OS's on the market.
3. Not having to hook up to my computer for simple things that should be handled via WiFi or Bluetooth. I travel a lot.
4. Taking accountability for the countless problems with iPhone OS that, until a Class Action Law suit is filed or the press gets wind of it Apple ignores.

Judging from the latest surveys that claim iPhone is still #1 in customer satisfaction I think only a COMPLETE IDIOT would rant with so much anger and noise. Looks to me like your iPhone "completes" you.
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post #129 of 158
yeah, i've been getting this issue where the phone drops the signal and when you get a signal again and try to make a call, there's no dial tone and it doesn't make a call. Also when it drops the signal, it never seems to want to retrieve mail or internet ever. The only thing that seems to fix the problem is resetting the phone. Problem is, i've reset my phone at least 2 times a day every day since the 3.1 came out.

But my biggest problem is with the cellular indicator on the phone. I was at a hockey game last night and inside the stadium my phone registered 4 bars. well when attempting to do anything it said it had no signal and wouldn't make calls or internet. that meter lies to me all the time.
post #130 of 158
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yeah, i've been getting this issue where the phone drops the signal and when you get a signal again and try to make a call, there's no dial tone and it doesn't make a call. Also when it drops the signal, it never seems to want to retrieve mail or internet ever. The only thing that seems to fix the problem is resetting the phone. Problem is, i've reset my phone at least 2 times a day every day since the 3.1 came out.

But my biggest problem is with the cellular indicator on the phone. I was at a hockey game last night and inside the stadium my phone registered 4 bars. well when attempting to do anything it said it had no signal and wouldn't make calls or internet. that meter lies to me all the time.

So far so good with the crashing issue. Texting is still working this morning with no restart.

WiFi connected to my router some time last night, but speed tests are not exactly stellar.

1 kbps download and 4 kbps download. Not even worth turning it on.
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post #131 of 158
Well... I installed it. No differences noticed so far. Are Apple doing diffs with these things or what because it seems like a big file.
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Well... I installed it. No differences noticed so far. Are Apple doing diffs with these things or what because it seems like a big file.

There were no GUI changes in the release notes. Only fixes. You're still seeing the crashes after the update?
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There were no GUI changes in the release notes. Only fixes. You're still seeing the crashes after the update?

I wasn't seeing any crashes before the update...
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Originally Posted by MissionGrey View Post

I just want to be able to send texts from inside of open apps

I've been watching this issue for some time and I'm convinced that Apple can offer 90% of the experience for 10% of the work.

The one set of "backgrounding tasks" that people want are simply plug-ins for the iPod player. This takes care of all the radio-like and other streaming issues. These strike me as relatively easy.

Another set are the interactive editors so you can make a quick reply to a text message, etc. These too seem very easy.

Another set are "I'm on the network" type alerts that allow applications on your phone to communicate their status to the wider network. For instance, you might want to have an app that broadcasts your location back to a server, so people can find you on maps.

This one is not so easy, but would plug into their existing notification server system. What would be needed is a new "kit" in the iPhone OS that collects up the plugins from your installed apps and keeps them running.

Something like Skype would have an internal module with an ID stamp that this kit would see, and load up when you start the phone up. It would essentially be a set of instructions that say things like "send this message to this IP address when I connect to WiFi, send that message to that IP when I disconnect from WiFi, send this message..." So then when you get home and your phone is on WiFi, your worldwide Skype presence updates without you having to do anything, and the existing messaging server would be used to tell the Skype application that there are incoming calls.

A social mapping app would have a similar plugin. However, this one would have instructions that says "send this bit of data to this server every 5 minutes, send this bit of data to this IP when my location moves more than 100 meters" etc.

In both cases the actual job of keeping these messages flowing is being handled by a single, hopefully small, application. This reduces the CPU and memory footprints.

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Yea, it's the fricking OS ... that's why the thousands and thousands of users who aren't having your problems must be wrong. .... face it dude ... it just may be something other than the OS. firmware update maybe?

Are you being purposefully blind to the widespread reports of wifi problems with the iPhone OS?

Here's a hint that might help you understand the world around you, especially computer related bug reports.

A thousand users with no problems does not prove that a product is bug free.
A million users with no problems does not prove that a product is bug free.

So while there is certainly tons of anecdotal evidence pointing to problem-free wifi, this doesn't mean jack shit when there is also tons of anecdotal evidence of problematic wifi.

In other words, problem-free usage by any number of users, no matter how numerous, can never prove that product is bug free. This is a logical fallacy. It is impossible to prove "bug-free" unless every user is surveyed. The opposite however is possible. The existence of bugs can be proven by a single user.

For the record, I too have experienced the wifi bug. All of a sudden, blam, my iPhone no longer connects reliably to any wifi network. And you're saying that over a dozen of the wifi nodes all suddenly had firmware issues despite being made by different manufacturers?
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I'm curious to know if any of the folks experiencing the WiFi problem have been able to walk into an Apple store where they have free WiFi and show them the problem? Are any of these phones still under warranty?
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I'm curious to know if any of the folks experiencing the WiFi problem have been able to walk into an Apple store where they have free WiFi and show them the problem? Are any of these phones still under warranty?

Mine isn't. The problem should be easy to reproduce as the phones won't see any WiFi hotspot. For instance, when I turn my WiFi on, the 'search' wheel shows up for less than half a second and shuts off. it used to spin for quite a while. Now it seems to try and immediately abort.
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Really? Because I have a 2G and it gets great WiFi reception...much better than my Macbook Pro (admittedly the metal blocks most of the WiFi reception). So I guess I must be in the minority, because my iPhone does everything perfectly?

I must say, though, the trolls (not you) are out full force today on this forum...

It's a bug in the OS, you have been lucky.
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post #139 of 158
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

It's a bug in the OS, you have been lucky.

Or, to be perfectly fair, he hasn't been unlucky.

While the wifi bugs are real and quite common, trouble-free wifi usage is probably still the norm.
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Originally Posted by Sgt Zeppelin View Post

My big issue with no multitasking is when I receive a text that needs answered immediately, I have to close the app I was in, wait for the messaging app to come back up, exit, launch the original app, and try to get back to where I was (if possible). On nearly any other platform it wouldn't be a big deal. So I'm hoping adds the ability in either the next major software update, or with new hardware. Because if Apple doesn't, I will be sadly in the market for a phone from a different company (can't say I would miss ATT much though).

It staggers me how many people are saying thinks like "if Apple doesn't provide this or that for the iphone, I'm out of hear!" Two things

1. Apparently people forget the pre-iphone days where glitches, crashes and expensive POS apps were the norm. You spent $30 bucks for a windows music app on your HTC just to have it blow your video settings out. I had a treo 700 before the iphone and if I installed ANY app, i was guaranteed I have to do a OS restore because it broke something

2. The iphone does more than any other phone on the market. You dump your iphone for something else, I am fairly sure you will be back for the next release. Who are you going to go to?...Android? WebOS? Windows? Let's be real. You'd lose more than you would gain!

In general, if you're willing to ditch your iphone because it lacks multi-tasking, which causes you some slight inconvenience, then I welcome you to move along to LG or whoever and go from "slight inconvenience" to "I hate this F***in Phone!"

This just isn't directed to you but everyone with similar notions. iPhone users, please take a hard look at what you had before the iphone, what you have now, and where you would be if the iphone didn't exist and ask yourself..."Am I that dissatisfied with my phone?"
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post

Mine isn't. The problem should be easy to reproduce as the phones won't see any WiFi hotspot. For instance, when I turn my WiFi on, the 'search' wheel shows up for less than half a second and shuts off. it used to spin for quite a while. Now it seems to try and immediately abort.

OK, but even if it is still not under warranty and if the problem is easily reproducible, if you took it into an Apple store and could reproduce the problem, I wonder if Apple would:
1) blame it on the hardware and try to sell you a new iPhone
2) blame it on the router and go in the backroom and reset THEIR router
3) blame it on the OS and do a restore for you right there and retest it.
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Originally Posted by JupiterOne View Post

OK, but even if it is still not under warranty and if the problem is easily reproducible, if you took it into an Apple store and could reproduce the problem, I wonder if Apple would:
1) blame it on the hardware and try to sell you a new iPhone
2) blame it on the router and go in the backroom and reset THEIR router
3) blame it on the OS and do a restore for you right there and retest it.

I've already done a restore, a full erase (the 2 hour job and then set up as new), a network reset, etc. None of them worked.
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I've already done a restore, a full erase (the 2 hour job and then set up as new), a network reset, etc. None of them worked.

Yes, but my point is doing this at an Apple store, in front of Apple employees and seeing what they say.

I'd think it would be hard for them to say it is a router problem or an OS problem and NOT be able to fix it for you right there.
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Yes, but my point is doing this at an Apple store, in front of Apple employees and seeing what they say.

I'd think it would be hard for them to say it is a router problem or an OS problem and NOT be able to fix it for you right there.

Why would they do these things when the phone is out of warranty?
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Why would they do these things when the phone is out of warranty?

Because you set up a Genius appointment. I've taken my out of warranty MBP in to have a problems diagnosed before. You don't think they'd do this?
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Because you set up a Genius appointment. I've taken my out of warranty MBP in to have a problems diagnosed before. You don't think they'd do this?

And what would I get out of it, other than them telling me to buy a new iPhone? Apple won't even admit there is a problem.
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And what would I get out of it, other than them telling me to buy a new iPhone? Apple won't even admit there is a problem.

Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.

This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.

Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
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Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.

This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.

Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).

Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.

What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.
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Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.

What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.

Well reverting back to the 3.0 software should show them that it is not a hardware problem. Again, I don't know if they would even do this, but if this happened to me, I'd at least try. Obviously no one with this problem is getting anywhere by just hoping that each new update fixes the problem.
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Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.

This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.

Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).

Why go to this trouble? A few minutes of googling will reveal that the Apple store can't do anything more than we can do as users. The best anyone can do is a hard reset of the phone, a reboot of the router, and even a full reinstall of the the iPhone software.

The only thing going to the store could do is provide smug feeling when the Apple employee admits that there is a problem and that they don't have a solution.

Rather than wasting time at an Apple store, I did the same thing from the comfort of home and eagerly await a patch from Apple. I'm not pissed. Rather, just pointing out that there is a wifi problem. Apple certainly knows about it, but as is the case with most software companies, chooses not to comment. A fix is in the works... we just have to wait for it.
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Or, to be perfectly fair, he hasn't been unlucky.

While the wifi bugs are real and quite common, trouble-free wifi usage is probably still the norm.

Yeah, if I guessed I'd say it's effected about 1/5 of users. With about 1/3 of those having absolutely zero WiFi with no fix.

If I hear one more person say it's the router I'll eat my hat. It's not the router. You don't update your phone, get an issue and blame the router. My laptop is fine and my 2G is fine for the most part. I have restored my 3G 3 times and cannot fix the issue. I have looked into this thing throughly, it's not the router. Frankly I find people saying adjust your router insulting. For the most part it affects the 3G iPhone more than any other it seems. It affects the 2G iPhone to a lesser degree. It's not the router.

Anyone who thinks it's a router issue has not thought it though, let alone reasserted thing bloody thing. Simple common sense says it's not the router.
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Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with glitch, crash fixes

Poorly worded headline. My first guess was there was a glitch in the newly-released software. Then I read it some more and concluded the glitch was in the headline writing, not the software. You guys gotta be more careful. It's not uncommon to see people beat up on someone who points out a spelling/punctuation/grammar error. But sometimes it matters.

How about this:

"Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with fixes for glitches and crashes"?

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Thankfully I was smart enough to get out of the Mac OS when I entered corporate America.

I call Troll - that line is the final tipoff - it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I have been saddled with Windows in the corporate world for many years. Was blessed to work at an all-Mac shop for a year where our Macbooks never crashed. As opposed to Win Hell everywhere else.

Someone mentioned there's a way to set things up so specific trolls' posts won't show up for me at this site?
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Not to be picky, but it's a Carly Simon song. James Taylor, an ex-husband was once thought to be the subject of the song but was ruled out by Carly herself. The smart money is on Warren Beatty.

Carly should really come clean and tell us.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

I didn't know that... that sounds really nice.

Do they charge over the air too? Because if not, sounds like you still have to plug your phone in every night like every other phone user in the world.

Funny you should mention that, the Pre can charge wirelessly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoeGqR2cfk

also in my experience, most Blackberrys and many windows mobile phones can go a few days without a recharge...
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At least you have WiFi, AT ALLL. On my 3G I have zero Wifi, and no data contract

I've been stuck on my old spare 2G for the last few weeks. It could be worse though, I could have no iPhone. Still, they need to address the WiFi issues. They have been widespread for nearly two month now. Even my 2G drops WiFi now and then

That's what happened to my iPhone 3G. The WiFi went dead even before I upgraded to 3.0. I eventually took it to Apple Store and they replaced my less-than-three-months-old iPhone with a workable one, though not a new one. The current iPhone 3G that they replaced has been working fine for me, even after I upgraded to 3.1.2. I suggest you to go to Apple Store for help, especially if the warranty of your iPhone is still valid.
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