Originally Posted by trumptman
It is like having a fight where I have my hand on your forehead while you swing your arms.
Ah, no. No, trumptman. It is like I am a mighty giant fire-breathing robot emitting laserbeams from my eyes, stomping you without noticing as you pee your harlequin pyjamas and weep like a six-year-old girl for your parents.
But, actually, embarrassingly childish and self-flattering similes like these are unnecessary.
Because this is what is happening.
I am offering incontrovertible, attested facts to a right wing zealot who does not have the moral courage or dignity to admit them.
That is not a simile. A simile is not necessary.
You have lost the argument. Your further participation in this thread furthers your embarrassment.
You write that the sources I have quoted demonstrate an exception and can therefore be disregarded. This is untrue.
I have shown you evidence of prominent, opinion-forming right wing commentators celebrating when Obamas pitch to the IOC was rejected.
Here is a link to Rush Limbaughs keynote speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2009, billed as his first Address to the Nation. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...106.guest.html
CPAC was attended by several former candidates for the Republican presidency and Limbaughs speech was broadcast live in its entirety on the reputable news channel Fox News. Rush Limbaugh is an important opinion former for the conservative movement. He is not some guy who speaks, as you described him.
If you attempt to deny this, it will be humiliating for you. I expect you will (you have little dignity.)
Limbaugh is not an exception. He is a public, prominent representative voice for the modern American conservative movement. His celebration, like that of Glenn Beck, whose televised programme attracts 2,000,000 viewers, cannot be an exception. You can see from the thousands of posts on right wing blogs such as RedState and Free Republic (where you post) that their opinions are shared by many. His influence on legislation is irrelevant. His influence on elections is irrelevant.
His influence on the modern conservative movement ("conservatives", if you prefer, as in "conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected") is, however, relevant.
Conservative Americans, in other words, celebrated Barack Obamas rejected pitch to the IOC. This is undeniable.
They are not outliers. They are not statistical noise. They are prominent, public opinion-forming voices and rank and file activists. They celebrated publicly. They did it on television and on the radio. They did it on the blogs and on the forums.
Conservative Americans celebrated Barack Obamas rejected pitch to the IOC.
Representative, public, opinion-forming conservatives with a constituency numbered IN MILLIONS celebrated the rejection of Barack Obamas pitch to the IOC.
It is a terrible shame that you should humiliate yourself by attempting to deny this incontrovertible fact. I appreciate that it might be inconvenient to you. It is an unpalatable truth that I am bald. But the unpalatability of this fact does not, and will not, and can not, change the fact that it is still true.
Likewise, a very vocal, prominent and influential number of conservatives with a constituency numbered in many millions celebrated the rejection of Barack Obamas pitch to the IOC.
I am sorry for you. I am sorry that I have encountered someone without the moral courage to admit this. (I, on the other hand, admitted that I could find no evidence that you celebrated when Obamas pitch was rejected. You cannot do this. This is why I have some character and some credibility, and you have none. I am sorry for you.)
In the eyes of any objective observer, you are arguing in the face of incontrovertible facts and attempting to use semantics and statistics to deny the obvious, undeniable, attested and public truth that conservatives, representative and opinion-forming with a constituency of millions, and rank-and-file activists celebrated when Barack Obamas pitch to the IOC was rejected.
You also write this, and this absolutely pathetic (and terribly embarrassing to you):
Funny and reality aren't one in the same nor are funny and facts. See I create a thread and place the funny items in it away from the proofs. I don't present one as the other.
By showing that thread and how I do not attempt to use cartoons as proof and instead actually file them away recognizing them as humor instead of proof, you've just made yourself and your reasoning a laughingstock.
The reason that this so absolutely pathetic is because in my previous post I wrote this:
The cartoon above is, then, a reflection of real events. It is grotesque, and unflattering, but it is a reflection of real events.
I have put these words in italics to prevent you from claiming that I believe the cartoon is "real", as you dishonestly did in the quote below (you argue very dishonestly, and this precaution is necessary.)
And you actually claimed, again, dishonestly, pathetically, that I claimed that the cartoon was somehow real and evidence, even though I went out of my way, and said I was going out of my way, to prevent you from doing this.
You did not read my post. You have no scruples. You do not care. You will write any old bullshit in order to win an argument.
At least one of these things must be true.
You also say this:
By definition humor does not reflect. It exaggerates, it distorts, it runs reasoning out to absurd conclusions, etc. It is the exact opposite of a mirror.
And this contemptible. Your 'definition' is incorrect. Yes, humour reflects. Of course it does. It can be a distorting mirror but a distorting mirror is still a mirror.
Give up. Walk away from this thread. You are humiliating yourself trying to continue it.
I have facts and evidence and attested, incontrovertible truths. You have some horseshit about statistics and exceptions and a need to deny that conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected. It isn't even about the facts, because the facts are undeniable and incontestable. It is about "winning". You cannot win this argument on facts. Your irrelevant and ad hominem attacks on my "reasoning" will not help you.
To use your favourite provocative formula, enjoy being absurd.