Obama Wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize - Page 8

Interesting.

Was it equally arrogant of the presidents and prime ministers of Brazil, Japan, Spain, Great Britain, Australia and South Africa when they went to make their pitches? Was Nelson Mandela being arrogant when he attended the IOC conference to make his pitch?

Why don't you just admit you hate Obama and you don't care what he does?

I will not admit to something that is not true, despite your assertions to the contrary. I do not hate Obama, and I do very much care about what he does. I hate his policies. I hate his groveling before foreign dignitaries, his dislike of and apologizing for his country, and his blaming Bush for everything. I hate his using my children's children's children's money to bail out out banks and corporations that fail anyway. But I do not hate him as a person. I would have no problem shaking his hand and calling him "Mr. President" or "President Obama".

Obama thought he had this Olympics thing in the bag. So did some of his supporters (note the quantifier). And they were utterly shocked and dismayed when he failed. They could not believe that the IOC could possibly reject the plea of their dear leader.

For that reason, I was glad the decision came down the way it did. It proved that Obama is capable of failure, and that perhaps the blind faith so many put in him that he can do no wrong is not justified.

Barack Obama does not hate his country. He does not apologize for country. He does not blame Bush for everything.

These are all things you've been told wherever it is you get your information, but they are not true.

There's some truth in the last statement, in a way you didn't intend. You really fail to appreciate quite the extent of how destructive George Bush was the status of the United States, and its reputation for its regard for liberty, and justice, and all of that stuff. George Bush fucked it up very, very badly.

What you think is 'ass kissing' reads from overseas as essential and pretty damn skilful diplomacy. If you think he doesn't have some damage to repair after the last eight years, which have been shit for everyone, you're dreaming.


This is some shit you read on a right wing blog. It's just not true.

Prove it.

I think perhaps you should prove your array of personal attacks and accusations before asking anyone anywhere to prove a single thing.

Blah blah blah.

Stop telling me what I believe and ask me sometime. I'd be happy to share when you're ready to listen.

This post bought to you by the noun 'hypocrisy.' And the letter 'U'.

Obama to Accept Nobel Peace Prize as War President, Address Afghanistan Troop Surge

Obama-ites, please be honest. Do you find this just a teensy-weensy bit ironic?

I think hypocritical is the word you're looking for.

Indeed.

This line from his speech sounded familiar:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...lo_norway.html

http://www.americanvalues.org/html/1...e-emption.html (from 2002)
There were many other speeches and such that were given at the time. All using, "just war" or "morally justified" and how it would be in concert with other nations. History repeats?

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. Hitler

Arafat got the Nobel peace prize in 1994. For the sake of argument, the Nobel peace prize can be given to some no-name individual who has actually worked for peace and is probably in prison or dead. Nobody gives a f!@# about that. Giving it to Obama and getting some controversy and publicity / political mileage out of it is better? Next up, Israel...

They could also get rid of the Nobel Peace prize and stick to science. But with corporations (think pharma) blocking innovations until the time is right for maximum profit in the market and owning anything their scientists come up with, that will be a bit difficult as well. So they gift academics who really don't give too much about this price in the first place.

It is a no win situation any way you look at it. But at least the Nobel prize is an indication that some people actually care about encouraging achievements while the rest of the world can only hate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091211/...nobel_analysis


Either Obama is mainly parroting what the Bush administration had said before and therefore is not causing heartburn for those evil conservatives that backed his unjust war, or they finally got a brain transplant... Which do you suppose it is?

Obama's award was little more than pure tokenism. I for one hope that Obama doesn't go down as the president that over promised and under-delivered. Simply being better by default because you succeeded the worst president in US History is not a justification for a once prestigious award.

Obama has yet to prove himself as a great revolutionary figure in American politics and I'm losing more hope every day that he will.

He's yet to prove himself as someone competent. And really..I'd love to hear how he's been better than Bush. Can't wait, actually.

Um, he can speak English and has more than two brain cells to his name. That's a start.

Well, let's not get carried away.

Funny thing, in our image-oriented, superficial society people confuse articulateness and eloquence with intelligence and, conversely, inarticulateness and ineloquence with stupidity.

Are you serious? You're too funny!

It's one form of intelligence yes, a very important one! And for a politician or anyone involved in communicating ideas and messages, probably THE most important one.

I didn't claim it wasn't. But it certainly isn't the only one, and I've seen and know very articulate and eloquent people whose "intelligence" did not extend much beyond that (and vice versa).

Have you ever paid close attention to Obama when he speaks without a teleprompter?

I always end up wondering when he's going to complete his sentences.

Apparently there's still life in this thread yet!

In this post this afternoon: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...91&postcount=6 trumptman raised the subject of mass nouns, 'quantifiers', referring to this page of this very thread:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...=103687&page=6

(Just to re-cap, trumptman took exception to my stating the fact that conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected. "They did no such thing!", he said. "Yes, they did!", I said, and linked to video, and audio, and transcript. "You don't understand quantifiers!" he responded.)

So, great! Apparently trumptman wants to re-open this whole debate again, and that's cool with me.

trumptman, do you still believe that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?

BTW, instead of making up quotes for me, I'd ask you to properly attribute the claims. Made up quotes are SOP for you as we all know as this thread already shows.

Good lord, trumptman, are you serious?

Here is you saying that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected:


It is one of many times. It was just the first one I came to. You said this again, and again, and again. This is where we begin to discuss this topic.

http:///forums.appleinsider.com/show...=103687&page=6

We do it over about FOUR PAGES, me and you.

And this where you say that I do not understand quantifiers.


(I think you do it in the words "but since you fail to understand quantifiers.")

So. Do you still believe that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?

Clearly you still want to discuss it, or you wouldn't have brought up my inability to understand quantifiers, so come on.

"They did no such thing!"

Please link to where I said this.

Trumptman. Are you now seriously trying to deny that you spent the last pages of this thread arguing with me about whether or not conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?

YOU SPENT PAGES IN THIS THREAD ARGUING WITH ME.

But OK. Here are some links to individual posts where you argue against my statement "Conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected."

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=237

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http:///forums.appleinsider.com/show...&postcount=216

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=220

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://fforums.appleinsider.com/show...&postcount=226

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=228

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://fforums.appleinsider.com/show...&postcount=230

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://fforums.appleinsider.com/show...&postcount=232

In this post, you argue that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=235

Jesus, that's a lot of posts in which you argue with me about whether or not conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected!

So, do you STILL believe that conservatives did not celebrate when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected? Because you spend ALL THOSE POSTS ARGUING EXACTLY THAT.

Liberals celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

Arguing against an aspect of your claim is not a negation of the claim.

You put the following words in quotation marks and attributed them to me, "They did no such thing!"

Please link to where I said this. As you linked to in one of the quotes....

Please provide proof I celebrated. Since you can't admit you are fabricating personal attacks.
Please provide proof I objected. Since you cannot, admit you are fabricating claims for personal attacks.
Finally please provide proof I said the words "They did no such thing."

All three are lies on your part.

Americans celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

Oh dear, Trumptman.

I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult. But I clearly do, so I will.

As indicated by the words 'To recap', I was PARAPHRASING THE GIST OF OUR GIGANTIC ARGUMENT, as is perfectly fucking clear to everyone. It is a pity that you do not understand such a basic, simple formula used in discussion for such a long time in all places that English is spoken, but there it is.

I have provided links to dozens of your posts IN THIS THREAD where you argue with me that conservatives celebrated. That is the main gist of our discussion. I believe that conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected. You called my claim 'false' and went on to argue with me over many pages.

In this thread. THIS one. THIS FUCKING THREAD.

Also, I have already apologised for stating you celebrated, as you know perfectly well, TWICE in this thread. TWICE.

You would rather play foolish games than discuss the matter. That is clear.

But that's OK. We can resolve this now, right here.

Do you, or do you not, believe that conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?

Easy. Simple. You say I have problems understanding mass nouns? Cool. Just answer this question:

Do you, or do you not, believe that conservatives celebrated when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected? .

Did they? That's interesting. Who?

Can you provide links that mirror the great outpouring of conservative celebration when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?

I've provided links to America's biggest, most popular, representative conservative commentators on radio, and on television, and quotes from the biggest conservative blogs, transcripts, video and audio. Can you do the same?

It is a fact that conservatives celebrated, en masse.

It is not a fact that liberals celebrated, en masse.

It is truly bizarre and increadibly unpatriotic to celebrate the loss of a major sporting event that both cost a lot of money to bid for and would have been a source of much wealth for the country. I'm not American but surely the democrats would not act like that. Extremely juvenile behaviour!

And yet they did it!

Incredible. There was a bizarre outpouring of celebration from conservative Americans when Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected! Very juvenile, as you say.

Even more incredible is how posters here (look at the last pages of this thread!) tried to argue that it didn't happen!

No problem because acting uppity when you are misapplying grammar just makes the situation that much laughable. Instead of just snickering, people are outright laughing at you.



Sure, now find for me the part where people take paraphrasing and put it in quotation marks.

Here let me help you with the exact line from that link.

It is incorrect to use quotation marks for paraphrased speech. This is because a paraphrase is not a direct quote, and in the course of any composition, it is important to document when one is using a quotation versus when one is using a paraphrased idea.

You don't understand grammar.


Actually I've called your grammar and understanding related to it false. No one has ever denied the claim that some minuscule number of conservatives celebrated. As we've been having fun with in the last couple posts, when it comes to exceptions, there are always a few. Thus we can say liberals and Americans celebrated too. All we need is two by your strange and grammatically incorrect reasoning.


Nothing like supporting ignorance by screaming profanities.


You're going to need to keep apologizing because you keep doing things wrong. If you could stop accusing people of things, perhaps then you could have to stop retracting the claims and apologizing.

You attributing a quote to me that never happened. Your lack of understanding about grammar compounds the problem. You don't paraphrase and assign quotation marks to it.


Actually I'm not the one who keeps twisting words.


I already answered it here in the thread. Go find it and quote it instead of making up quotes. Learn the difference between quotes and paraphrasing and stop accusing people of nonsense when your own understanding is the problem here.

Quite embarrasing really. Surely the Olympics is the one thing that could unite both sides of politics, if ever anything could...

Oh dear, trumptman.

It is a fact that there was an outpouring of celebration from conservative Americans when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

Prominent, opinion-forming commentators celebrated before audiences of several million. Conservative blogs were full of celebratory posts and comments. Conservative activist groups celebrated with high fives and cheers. I have provided links to all of this, in this thread.

It is also a fact that there was no analogue to this in the liberal community.

So your comparison is wrong, and somewhat foolish. This is a pity.

It is also a fact that you tried to deny that conservatives celebrated.


That is all that matters. Your attempt to draw the argument to me, and my bad grammar, and my 'misquoting' you, is very poor, and absolutely transparent, and does you no honour. But, in your phrase, this is SOP for you. It is a pity.

Conservatives celebrated. That is still a fact. You tried to deny it. That is a fact too.

Your sources are TV/radio personalities, entertainers, and bloggers.

Are you actually claiming that these sources speak for anyone and everyone who so much leans conservative?

Are you actually claiming that people who watch, listen to, and read such sources all agree with them 110%?

My, what a narrow view of the world you have.

Enjoy your view on this. Thanks to your own statements, we know that since you refuse to acknowledge or use quantifiers, this statement means two people celebrated.


Two, and two. Enjoy declaring life to be plurals and to never use quantifiers. No one cares that you think six total people celebrated. No one care that you found the exception because the exception never proves the rule. Point at it all you want. No one will even are to dispute it because no one cares. There is no point you are making besides "look at that."


Actually that quote shows, just like above with the quotaions marks, that you are attempt to accuse and prosecute someone for your own lack of grammatical understanding. It notes you are incorrectly ascribing quantifiers and using that in some word play. But sadly you screwed up because you hadn't played your little quantifier word game yet whereby you try to claim you were only referring to plural.

See if you link to the source here, you will see your claim quoted above it. (Note this is because I quote people instead of making up quotes for them.)


Your claim is patently false because your sample size is anecdotal and made up of crap you found on the internet.

Oh, it looks like you got busted using a quantifier. You declared it to be many.

Many is defined as a very large number or as the collective. You did not prove a large number or collective. You proved, as I noted then, the exception, or the anecdotal. You tried to slip out of this by claiming you merely meant the plural and thus two.

Actually you've found my reply to your original claim which means we have that original claim and can see you've moved away from it.

So for the record we see that you have accused people of celebrating who did not.
You have accused people of objecting who did not.
You've made up false quotes for people and attempted to justify it by claiming it was quoted paraphrasing.
Now we have proof you used quantifiers and attempt to lie about this and instead claim merely that you were referring to the plural.

You're done and so is this thread. Many conservatives did not celebrate. A plural did but the exception never proves the rule about the collective (many is defined as collective.) Go grab an English book and brush up.

Enjoy the last word where you ignore this, just like you've ignored and not apologized for making up quotes and attributing them to people and instead try to circle round again. You've been discredited in four different ways. Any mention of this again in other threads will simply cause me to link back to this summative post.

My, you do enjoy the use of the word enjoy.

It is a fact that when Barack Obamas pitch to the IOC was rejected, there was an outpouring of celebration from many conservative Americans. I have posted links on this thread to prove this.

Instead of denying or affirming this, you concentrate on my grammar and on the definitions of quantifiers. This is cowardly and dishonest. I expect nothing else.

It is a fact also that you have tried, over many pages of this thread, to deny that when Barack Obamas pitch to the IOC was rejected, there was an outpouring of celebration from many conservative Americans. Instead of denying or affirming this statement, you concentrate on my grammar and definitions.

You do this because you do not want to contemplate the revolting behaviour of your side.

Enjoy avoiding facts you dont like.

I would enjoy seeing this particular argument stop.

No, I am not.

I am merely claiming that there was a very public outpouring of celebration from many prominent and activist conservatives when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected.

And this is true. This is a fact. I have even provided links.

Why do you ask? Do you disagree that there was a very public outpouring of celebration from many prominent and activist conservatives when Barack Obama's pitch to the IOC was rejected?