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Try defining the market as a value in dollar terms - what is this journalistic hang-up with how many you sell rather than your turnover and profit. Those are the real measure of your success in a business.

Do we measure a race by how many steps the runner takes to get to the finish line? No, it is who crosses it first - the bottom line.

I wonder what Apple's market share is in terms of

1. Turnover - probably 2nd or 3rd.
2. Gross Profit - very possibly 1st.

Apple made more profit from selling mobile phones in the first 6 months of 2009 than any other company in the world.
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Realistically, profits matter highly. If you read that Bloomberg report, you'll see that Acer themselves aren't happy about the situation.

But PC companies have gotten themselves stuck in this low price spiral, which is what it is.

The companies are concerned about netbooks, not because they don't know what to do with them, but because they see their customers abandoning more highly priced, and profitable machines.

Competition is good, but it has its bad side as well.

Consumers want lower prices, but they don't always understand the downside to lower pricing.

Netbooks have problems running any but the simplest programs. I can attest to that. The industry got themselves into a bind here. Netbooks were at first thought to be a solution for people who couldn't afford even the cheap $500 laptops that were already draining the companies profits.

But people who could afford the more expensive machines, and who would have bought them, are now buying netbooks. A lot of people aren't that happy with them, and have returned them, but most find them to be enough.

What I do find interesting is that the first netbooks almost all came with some version of linux. Netbooks were thought to be understood by those buying them to be mostly for running net related apps. But no. People wanted to run their regular apps.

So the Linux books went back in droves.

This was the best chance EVER for desktop (or laptop) Linux to gain a stronghold, and it failed big time.

Manufacturers REALLY wanted to sell Linux machines so that they wouldn't have to pay MS the $15 for the OS. Now, the 7 Starter equivalent will cost them almost $50, from what MS is saying.

How are they going to sell $200 to $400 machines when the OS is almost $50?

Apple will be coming out with somewhat less expensive machines soon. They don't have to match netbook pricing, or even come close. They just have to move down somewhat, and they will snare more people.

great post
what bothers me is the all this junk netbooks will clog our dumps even more with toxic waste

\\sadly the race to the bottom almost ensures that we now have throw away computers as part of our standard electronic fare
the $199 books are soon coming to CVS
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You were listening to it?

He doesn't say much, does he? It's the same thing chairmen and CEOs say.

I did think it was interesting where he said that they didn't EXPECT revenues to decline this year. not that they will grow. Not that they would remain steady, but that he didn't EXPECT that they would decline.

Not exactly very certain, is he? Sort of a wishy washy comment.

He didn't even say that performance was good. He didn't say that he was happy with it.

ACER is selling cheap machines. They own Gateway, E-Machines, Packard Bell, and their own brand.

Operating margins are 2.2%. Yes, that's not a typo.

acer is a very good company
they will raise prices soon or fail

maybe they should copy what COBY does ?
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For those who don't remember the 90s, Dell was once the PREMIUM PC maker, not the best place to find a cheap PC. Their ASPs were far higher than the rest of the industry, and 10 years ago it was THEM saying that they'd never sell a sub $1000 PC. Interesting?

remember M DELL saying that apple should close up shop ??
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I am I am- we love our apple prods. but I refuse to not call something that is selling and infiltrating every aspect of society a flop. Look at every kid going to school with a netbook. why aren't they lugging an Apple around, brucep? tell me- why?


your valid ponts don't connect my friend
maybe you come up to 47th st and 5th ave and i will burn you some acoustic hendrix

yes netbooks are here to stay >> so what
in fact i am happy poor families can get there kids any computer that they can
so net books are cool guess

but teckstud dude ask those same kids what computer they hunger after and they will say iphone touch all day

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post #127 of 169
So really Apple's growth was really just the whole market bouncing back from recession this time last year, I love how Apple Insider paint this to be some kind of triumph ! Acer managed a rise of 24%
Really these are not great numbers for Apple, not bad certainly but not the never-ending growth in market share people were expecting, the real truth is without the iPod or the iPhone Apple's computer line would not be making them very much profit.
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I don't know, it's (Toshiba) not growing that much.

Well it kind of is... really. Toshiba have doubled their share in a little over a year. Forty percent growth in a relatively flat PC market must have it's reasons.

Let's just say it's part of the massive swing away from the expandable, upgradeable, consumer tower .... and leave it at that.
post #129 of 169
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acer is a very good company
they will raise prices soon or fail

maybe they should copy what COBY does ?


Yes brucep Acer will have to raise prices eventually if it wants to fall to 4th place.
Acer have risen very quickly by combining quality and low price, the proof is in their numbers and not your wishful thinking.
Netbooks may be going to poison your enviroment but here in europe all electronic equipment has to be recycled to we really don't have anything to worry about, If I were you I'd be worried about all those plastic macbooks soon to arrive at a landfill near you.
post #130 of 169
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Yes brucep Acer will have to raise prices eventually if it wants to fall to 4th place.
Acer have risen very quickly by combining quality and low price, the proof is in their numbers and not your wishful thinking.
Netbooks may be going to poison your enviroment but here in europe all electronic equipment has to be recycled to we really don't have anything to worry about, If I were you I'd be worried about all those plastic macbooks soon to arrive at a landfill near you.

Junkbox makers trade top positions regularly. Flooding the market with high-volume, cheap products often results in share increases. Question is, what portion of the market. All of these generic-PC makers are fighting for the low end. Which is in itself not a problem. There's certainly a market for low-cost, disposable merchandise. But some of us don't want to be a part of that, and certain companies don't want to be a part of that, either.
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your valid ponts don't connect my friend
maybe you come up to 47th st and 5th ave and i will burn you some acoustic hendrix

yes netbooks are here to stay >> so what
in fact i am happy poor families can get there kids any computer that they can
so net books are cool guess

but teckstud dude ask those same kids what computer they hunger after and they will say iphone touch all day

have a good day dude

I think you BOTH have a good point here.
It would be nice to see Apple sell a lower priced netbook to compete with that market. BUT I don't think they will. The profit margins for the netbooks are lower then what Apple is used to having.
BUT now brucep you have to be careful with your analogy and the consumer market.
Those kids with netbooks might want a Macbook or MBA but the BOUGHT a netbook becuse that's what they could afford. Consumers might want a Corvette but buy a Malibu. They might want a 400k house but but a 200k house. But they are still buying something.
No matter how much money or no matter how many things you have you always want for something you can't quite afford or get just yet....Thats human nature.....

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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

Sure, almost as spectacular as "no glass"

Apple is relaxed about these things. Remove Firewire from MacBooks, bring it back a few months later and call it a new "pro" feature... wouldn't work for anybody else, but Apple gets away with it.

The non-firewire Macbook aluminum cost $100 more than the current firewire-equipped Macbook Pro ($1299 vs $1199), so I'm not sure what you've got your panties in a bunch about. The new 13 inch Macbook Pro is called a Pro to differentiate it from the plastic Macbook that still sells well.

You basically had about 6 months or something like that where the aluminum Macbooks didn't have firewire, cry me a river.
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That's absurd.

Even Michael Dell just said in a speech that netbooks were ruining the industry.

There's almost no profit in them, and PC manufacturers are frantic about what to do about it.

What do I care, as a consumer, if there's little profit for a company or the other? I want the best possible product for the least possible price.
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What do I care, as a consumer, if there's little profit for a company or the other? I want the best possible product for the least possible price.

Those two don't often go together. That's the whole point.
post #136 of 169
Do these #'s count Netbooks??

What is the breakdown by pc revenue??

Nice to see apple gaining units at any rate.
post #137 of 169
Go Apple! Eat up that market share! Get Microsoft working harder!

I love this shit
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I want to know that Dell is losing markershare, that HP is holding ground and that a couple others selling many more Budget machines that before. I don't want this simple chart you propae to actually show a slight loss in overall PC sales marketshare because Apple jumped a percentage. It's disengenuois.

I really don't know where you are going with this one solipsism.

These figures come out four times a year and always contain the same amount of (somewhat limited) info. The tech and business press always use this data to write about the current computer business 'state of the nation'. And, frequently, a lot of these publications are going to take a closer look at how Apple is doing compared to.... ALL it's competitors... not just
singling out... one.

Perhaps I'm just missing your point.
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It isn't just hardware sales. Why do you want to break it down that way? hat doesn't make any more sense.

Apple isn't really competing against any one PC hardware maker, though it may seem as though it is. They're competing against Microsoft and Windows.

It's interesting to look at individual makers, and compare the result, but it's not as meaningful as you think.

If Acer wasn't selling netbooks, and they again became a smaller company, would that make a difference to Apple if Dell gained the same amount Acer lost? Of course not. Apple would be in the same spot marketsharewise. The fact that they would move to number three is irrelevant.



I'm not saying that it isn't interesting to see how the other makers are doing. I do that myself. I don't understand how you say that seeing that Apple moved up a percent in marketshare is disingenuous. I'm not proposing a simplified chart at all. I'm just saying that with a different OS, it has to be looked at differently.



I don't remember saying anywhere that Apple had a 40% marketshare. Where did you get that?

I did say several things. One was that the iPhone now has a 30% marketshare in the US.

I said that within the past 100 days or so Apple laptops have garnered a 25% share of consumer sales, and I extrapolated from that, that it's possible that their desktops could have added another 10% to that.

That's not a 40% marketshare. It's not even a 35% marketshare. That's the numbers given for CONSUMER sales. Take business and government into account, and you get almost a 10% marketshare.



Yes, I mentioned that.

If you use parallels, and now with ver 3, possibly VMWare, the entire PC can be transported over. Of course, upgrading from XP to 7 is still a b***h.

You had an exampleOn the first page for Marvin regarding 30%, not 40%, that is the figure I used for my example. What if Apple had a 30% markershare on Macs? The Teckstudian mind would whine, "Apple sux, Windows has 70%!", but an intelligent person would see that Apple would be the largest PC retailer in the world, would be selling 8-10x more product than they do now and that this achievement would come mostly at the hands of the other big box vendors. One would also see that Apple's current 33 cents per dollar of PC sales in the US would increase even farther. Despite the fact that this mythical achievement can't be done under the current business model, if it were to be, then Apple would be getting about 70 cents per dollar of every PC sold. Why even mention the OS? Especially now in 2009 when the OS is mostly now a preference in the consumer market, not a requirement? Why look at any HW sales just flip it on it's head to measure what is inconsequential to the HW sale. MS will sell a lit of Win7. There is nothig wrong with that, but it doesn't make an HP or Mac sale any more or less valid. It's a pointless metric when looking at the HW.
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I really don't know where you are going with this one solipsism.

These figures come out four times a year and always contain the same amount of (somewhat limited) info. The tech and business press always use this data to write about the current computer business 'state of the nation'. And, frequently, a lot of these publications are going to take a closer look at how Apple is doing compared to.... ALL it's competitors... not just
singling out... one.

Perhaps I'm just missing your point.

My point is that I want to keep seeing these company's broken down ad they are in the chart. I was responded to in. This forum that these individual companies success and failures in the PC HW sales are pointless. That they he lumped into a big group of Windows vs. OS X based on their OS business the non-Mac PC companies can easily swap customers around that are using the same OS. This I find disengenuous and it does nothing to assist me in seeing which of these companies are growing and which are shrinking.
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To be fair to the Windows market the old adage 'when you are at the top there is only one way to go--down' certainly applies. Past a certain point marketshare growth is impossible and then you have the problem of working like crazy just to keep what you have. While not definitive take a look at marketshare's numbers and note the tend is to Windows losing marketshare not gaining it.
Sure you may get a blip where Windows marketshare goes up compared to the previous month but the trend is definitely down over the long haul.

Fair point, but I was talking about unit sales, not market share. If the Mac grows market share by 1%, that 1% has to come out of the Windows market share. That much we know. The point I was making is that PC unit sales have been increasing at low single digit rates for several years now, while Mac unit sales have been increasing at double-digit rates. The difference is quite dramatic.
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Fair point, but I was talking about unit sales, not market share. If the Mac grows market share by 1%, that 1% has to come out of the Windows market share. That much we know. The point I was making is that PC unit sales have been increasing at low single digit rates for several years now, while Mac unit sales have been increasing at double-digit rates. The difference is quite dramatic.

That is true, but remember that its easier to increase dramatically when you are coming from the bottom. Acer and Toshibas growth isnt sustainable. I am more impressed with HPs continued growth (at what seems at the expense of Dell) of 3.2% when they already have one quarter of all sales.
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Again TeckDud, fyi ... sales growth absolutely does not automatically equate to success ... does acer make as much profit as Apple? If I sell 1 computer and make 500.00 profit and you sell 4 computers and make 100.00 on each are you a more profitable company than me? HINT 4x100.00=400.00, 500.00 is bigger than 400.00 ... I can't dumb it down any further for you ....Sorry.

Acer maybe gaining units sold but profit and revenue are falling...

http://www.acer-group.com/public/News/2009/20090827.htm
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That is true, but remember that its easier to increase dramatically when you are coming from the bottom. Acer and Toshibas growth isnt sustainable. I am more impressed with HPs continued growth (at what seems at the expense of Dell) of 3.2% when they already have one quarter of all sales.

HP does seem to be growing mainly at the expense of Dell. This has been going on for a few quarters at least, so it has the look of a trend. But I don't buy the idea that Apple is growing "from the bottom." Their YoY unit growth has been at double-digit rates for several years now, which is impressive no matter where they started. Any company, especially in the PC industry, would be delighted by those results.
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But I don't buy the idea that Apple is growing "from the bottom.

You misundertand. Apple toward the bottom, HP on top. For example, Apple increase YoY sales by 170k units while HP increased YoY unit sales by 140k. That isnt much of a difference but Apples percentage of growth is much higher. Its percentages and the lower you are the less units you have to sell increase your percentage of growth.
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To be fair to the Windows market the old adage 'when you are at the top there is only one way to go--down' certainly applies.

it doesn't always apply!

Back in 1997 Windows had a similar market share to today. 95-96% plus.

For the next six or seven years continued to go... up.
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acer is a very good company
they will raise prices soon or fail

maybe they should copy what COBY does ?

COBY, wow! What junk.

Maybe in a few years their products will rise in quality.

It's a company that's partly owned by the Chinese government.
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So really Apple's growth was really just the whole market bouncing back from recession this time last year, I love how Apple Insider paint this to be some kind of triumph ! Acer managed a rise of 24%
Really these are not great numbers for Apple, not bad certainly but not the never-ending growth in market share people were expecting, the real truth is without the iPod or the iPhone Apple's computer line would not be making them very much profit.

The entire PC's industrie's sales are still down, not up. What's happening is that the various PC manufacturers are exchanging sales numbers. Dell, a bigger manufacturer than ACER is down almost 14% in sales this same quarter. ACERs sales growth is almost all due to netbook sales below $400, and is accompanied by lower profits and even sales, in dollars.

Meanwhile, Apple is still increasing their sales, after having one quarter near the beginning of the recession where it fell. Apple's marketshare is higher.
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Well it kind of is... really. Toshiba have doubled their share in a little over a year. Forty percent growth in a relatively flat PC market must have it's reasons.

Let's just say it's part of the massive swing away from the expandable, upgradeable, consumer tower .... and leave it at that.

Where did Toshiba achieve a 40% growth? I haven't seen that.
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Where did Toshiba achieve a 40% growth? I haven't seen that.

It's 37% YoY growth from selling just under 300k more units YoY, according to the chart in the article.
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What do I care, as a consumer, if there's little profit for a company or the other? I want the best possible product for the least possible price.

You should care. Wht happens when there are little to no profits is that companies firt shut down their R&D. Then you don't get improvements, just recycled features. Quality goes down further, and eventually, they company goes out of business.

The ones that survive are the ones that are stronger, i.e. the ones who have made a profit, and haven't competed as strongly in the race to the bottom.

Then there are fewer choices, and even less competition.

So, in the end you pay more anyway.

Can't get something for nothing.
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Do these #'s count Netbooks??

What is the breakdown by pc revenue??

Nice to see apple gaining units at any rate.

All the PC numbers count netbooks.

If netbooks eren't counted, the PC industrie's numbers would be much lower.
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You had an exampleOn the first page for Marvin regarding 30%, not 40%, that is the figure I used for my example. What if Apple had a 30% markershare on Macs? The Teckstudian mind would whine, "Apple sux, Windows has 70%!", but an intelligent person would see that Apple would be the largest PC retailer in the world, would be selling 8-10x more product than they do now and that this achievement would come mostly at the hands of the other big box vendors. One would also see that Apple's current 33 cents per dollar of PC sales in the US would increase even farther. Despite the fact that this mythical achievement can't be done under the current business model, if it were to be, then Apple would be getting about 70 cents per dollar of every PC sold. Why even mention the OS? Especially now in 2009 when the OS is mostly now a preference in the consumer market, not a requirement? Why look at any HW sales just flip it on it's head to measure what is inconsequential to the HW sale. MS will sell a lit of Win7. There is nothig wrong with that, but it doesn't make an HP or Mac sale any more or less valid. It's a pointless metric when looking at the HW.

You have to mention the OS. Why are people buying Macs? Without the answer to that question, the rest makes no sense.

Are people solely buying Macs because of the hardware? Are they buying them solely because they can run Windows? Are they buying them solely because they want to run the Mac OS?
Yes to all of that, partly. But which is the main reason?

I think the main reason is the OS, tempered by the desire for the hardware, ameliorated by the fact that those coming from Windows can easily wean themselves off it. And a lot of new computer buyers are going straight to the Mac.

If Apple were selling the exact same machines, but had Windows instead of OS X, what would have happened? I don't think sales would be nearly as good. They would be forced to compete in the cheaper markets as well. Likely their percentage of over $1,000 sales wouldn't be 91% either, maybe 50%, possibly lower.

Ok, the number you are now stating wasn't a real sales figure, but a point to ponder in the discussion. You were saying at first, that I said that Apple had a 40% marketshare, which I never did.
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My point is that I want to keep seeing these company's broken down ad they are in the chart. I was responded to in. This forum that these individual companies success and failures in the PC HW sales are pointless. That they he lumped into a big group of Windows vs. OS X based on their OS business the non-Mac PC companies can easily swap customers around that are using the same OS. This I find disengenuous and it does nothing to assist me in seeing which of these companies are growing and which are shrinking.

But you're talking about something completely different (as Monty Python used to say).

We're interested in how Apple is doing compared to the Windows PC market, to see whether Apple is making progress in selling OS X machines to that market.

You are talking about being interested in how individual companies are doing.

Two different points of focus.
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it doesn't always apply!

Back in 1997 Windows had a similar market share to today. 95-96% plus.

For the next six or seven years continued to go... up.

It never went up by more than another couple of points before beginning to fall.

So the time you mention wasn't the peak at all.

Of course, the only reason why it got to that level was because Apple had a very bad decision made in late 1995 that caused their 10% US marketshare to fall dramatically to 2.5% over the next five or six years. That is, while the rest of the industry was growing at a good rate because of the millennium date problem as companies and governments around the world bought new machines at great rates, Apple's sales fell a bit, and didn't rise appreciably for years, until about six years ago.

Back then, the US also had at least a 50% world marketshare. Today, that's about 25% or so.

Then MS's marketshare began to drop again.
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It's 37% YoY growth from selling just under 300k more units YoY, according to the chart in the article.

I haven't seen numbers like that for them anywhere else. More like half that. Odd.
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But you're talking about something completely different (as Monty Python used to say).

We're interested in how Apple is doing compared to the Windows PC market, to see whether Apple is making progress in selling OS X machines to that market.

You are talking about being interested in how individual companies are doing.

Two different points of focus.

If you want to focus on that point, go ahead, but this article is about PC HW sales and each company should be counted individually as they are in the article and the charts, not as a lump some of "Mac PC vs. non-Mac PCs”. In another article they can address how Macs are stealing Windows users, which is true. But we also need to understand that Apple only sells their OS to go with their PCs and note the very different business models between MS and Apple, thus we can’t expect to see Apple with a 30% or 50% or 95% of the OS marketshare without also having those numbers in the PC marketshare so long as they maintain their current business model. Each has their place and each is not without it’s pros and cons.
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Where did Toshiba achieve a 40% growth? I haven't seen that.


IDC Toshiba US growth : 37.4%
Gartner Toshiba US growth : 45.8%

Yes I realise that Toshiba were starting at the low end of the sales spectrum, but that's over 10 times better than the industry's growth. They must be performing better for a reason.

I figured that was interesting and thought that some of the US based posters, here, might be able to shed some light. I was mistaken.

Also, a little surprised that you, Mel, are going to quibble about figures that are part of the original story.
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It never went up by more than another couple of points before beginning to fall.

It still went up! And it continued that rise for a number of years. In relation the "the old adage" the reasons for that downturn is irrelevant.

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So the time you mention wasn't the peak at all.

I didn't say that the Windows share was at the top. I said it was "it had a similar market share to today"

In this time scale that we are discussing, Windows share mostly rose because of Apple's mistakes. Then that share fell, mostly due to Apple correcting their mistakes.

Whatever date and % figure you want to put on Windows' "peak" can only be made retrospectively. If Apple hadn't got their act together then that peak would have been even higher.

So perhaps we should change the old adage from "'when you are at the top there is only one way to go--down" to.... 'when you are nearly at the top there is only one easy way to go--down'
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

IDC Toshiba US growth : 37.4%
Gartner Toshiba US growth : 45.8%

Yes I realise that Toshiba were starting at the low end of the sales spectrum, but that's over 10 times better than the industry's growth. They must be performing better for a reason.

I figured that was interesting and thought that some of the US based posters, here, might be able to shed some light. I was mistaken.

Also, a little surprised that you, Mel, are going to quibble about figures that are part of the original story.

I don't always agree with the numbers, if i see different ones somewhere else. I haven't seen these high numbers for Toshiba.

For example, I wonder how much of ACER's numbers are from the purchase of Gateway, and how much are from actual growth.

As far as Toshiba's numbers go, well I just don't know now.
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