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Don't yet know if it's black or white.

No Firewire. Makes sense. If you want Firewire, get the 13.3" Pro for $200 more. No back-lit keyboard, either.

Same screen as the 13 Pro? Same trackpad. RAM expandable to 4GB. Wonder if it will go up to 6GB like the current MacBook.

Not bad for thousand bucks !!

Actually if you can get a late model 2.4Ghz aluminum 13.3" Pro (with better screen) for under 1000, that would be a better deal.

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post #82 of 121
No offense, but Firewire is useful for far more then accessories and external hard drives. It is far more effective at trouble shooting and repairing troubled Macs then Ethernet. For instance, a while ago my step father's Mac had a corrupted system file. It wouldn't boot. I brought my laptop to his house and started his Mac in target disk mode. I replaced the corrupted file on his system from my Mac. You couldn't do that without Firewire because 1) his OS was corrupt so it would not start, and 2) even if it would boot up permissions would get in the way. A host Mac never has enough permission access to change the system files on another Mac when using Ethernet. Firewire merely treats the troubled Mac as another slave hard drive.

Also, I bought the last Mac book that Apple temporarily dispensed with Firewire. I suspected I would miss Firewire, but I had a family member who worked at Apple and I would be losing his discount soon if I didn't act soon. The 25 percent savings, convinced me to dispense with the Firewire. Boy did I regret it. The Migration Assistant kept stalling out on bringing over my files from my old Mac. Ethernet wouldn't bring over half of the things because it would keep claiming I didn't have adequate permissions. If I had Firewire on the new Mac, I could have cloned my user file from the older Mac. Further, it is much faster.





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The lack of firewire on this model is not an issue. Most who buy this won't even have an external harddrive, let alone seriouz accessoriez.
post #83 of 121
Nice update. If nothing else, the "unibody" enclosure cuts down on annoying little parts inside the case and makes servicing much easier. If you take apart a TiBook and a UMacBook Pro, then you'd understand why unibody enclosures are so much better in every way.

I wonder which LED screen this MB has. If it is the same one as the first gen. unibody MacBook, then some people will be upset --yet the old MB screen was far worse.

Most consumers looking into the MB aren't concerned about FW, so this is not an issue except for whiners.
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post #84 of 121
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It makes no sense. The main reason I want Firewire is to connect Macs to troubleshoot them or to bring over data when buying a new Mac.


Ethernet sucks at bringing over data from another Mac and diagnosing problems. Firewire treats another Mac as a slave drive to the master drive. When signed in as root, it overrides any permissions on the slave drive. So, if I want to clone a drive from one to another, permissions are not an issue. Further, you can delete and /or replace any file on an effected Mac, which is great for troubleshooting. These things can't be done with Ethernet because Ethernet treats another Mac as a networked computer subject to permissions.

Up until recently, I could confidently grab my Mac and a Firewire cable and fix and feel assured I can fix any problem on another person's Mac. I have fixed many friend and family members Macs this way. Taking the Firewire away makes it much harder for people to fix troubled Macs without having to resort to a fresh install.

Firewire across the board was something that truly make being a Mac user a pleasure. Big mistake on Apple's par tin my mind.


Completely agreed! Target Disk alone makes FW worth it. Period. I've used it many times. It's not a nicety, it's a life-saver. And of course it's all the more important now that Apple has locked down everything including batteries and drives and network cards and RAM with screws, all of which used to be accessible in seconds without tools. WTF with their industrial engineering, it's gone to crap IMO.

At least hopefully it won't fall apart like the piece of sh!t white plastic MacBooks. Anyone that owns one knows what I'm talking about! The pieces on the wrist rest. Which are of course nice and razor-sharp anyway, practically sharp enough to cut your wrists and kill you. :/ Hopefully the unibody will be smooth there and hold together. Still not worth losing FW. Apple shouldn't have been greedy, they should have given FW away or licensed it cheaper.

Well, looks like I'll be getting the 13" MB Pro in a couple weeks. I was waiting to see what this update would bring. Basically the FW made the choice for me. Plus with student discount you save $100 on the MP Pro and only $50 on the MB. I agree with others they should have cut it to $949 for the general public, $899 students...just for that psychological difference...But other than that, looks like a solid machine, if you don't need FW. Looks pretty sweet actually. The new battery especially.
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post #85 of 121
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No offense, but Firewire is useful for far more then accessories and external hard drives.

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Completely agreed! Target Disk alone makes FW worth it. Period. I've used it many times. It's not a nicety, it's a life-saver.

You both need Target Disk Mode often to repair Macs with corrupted OSes but dont have an external 2.5 HDD/SSD with OS X on it? It boots up with the use of another Mac. If you go into an Apple Store with a Mac that wont boot this is how they will connect to it. You can use FW or USB, just hold down the Option key when booting.
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post #86 of 121
So where's the cheaper hardware hinted the day before?
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So where's the cheaper hardware hinted the day before?

It is in the wild imaginations of rumor pundits.
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post #88 of 121
Where is the battery indicator light? I don't see it on the side like the macbook pro's or on the bottom.
post #89 of 121
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Where is the battery indicator light? I don't see it on the side like the macbook pro's or on the bottom.

Good catch! looks like this is one of the areas that they saved a little money. I have never used that feature. I can see what my battery status is in more detail from the Menu Bar.
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post #90 of 121
iFixit has the customary teardown already.

8 #0 phillips head screwdrivers and you've got access to pretty much everything-- battery, drive, ram. The battery has a few odd duck "tri-wing" fasteners holding it down, and the drive uses torx, but a few bucks at the local hardware store for a few speciality drivers and your MacBook is fully upgradable.
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iFixit has the customary teardown already.

8 #0 phillips head screwdrivers and you've got access to pretty much everything-- battery, drive, ram. The battery has a few odd duck "tri-wing" fasteners holding it down, and the drive uses torx, but a few bucks at the local hardware store for a few speciality drivers and your MacBook is fully upgradable.

Some things I didn’t expect…

"The lower case is surprisingly heavy, weighing in at 266 grams. The lower case is actually a sheet of aluminum with rubberized coating injection-molded onto one side.”

“Also gone is an IR port for a remote. As far as we know, that makes the MacBook the only currently shipping Apple laptop that doesn't support a remote.”

"The hard drive isn't as easy to replace as it used to be, but it can be done. The hard drive is still considered "user replaceable" by Apple. It's strange that the hard drive is "user replaceable", but the battery is not.” [Apple doesn’t want you to dispose of batteries improperly]
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post #92 of 121
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In the summer of 1969 I flew a Monocoque-design Beechcraft Musketeer Sport airplane ("Fighter plane design" they called it) through power lines over the midwest USA. Stopped the prop, bent the nosegear sideways, shoved the exhaust stacks back 3 inches. Loose wire ends popped out the side window, showering us in glass. Another ripped an 8-inch gash in the top of the left wing.

We got the engine restarted at about 25 feet above ground, flew it back to an airport 80 miles away, and landed safely. The FAA accident investigator told us if it had been any other brand of light aircraft, we'd have been decorating the Kansas wheat. Monocoque structural engineering saved my life.

Wow !!! Absolutely amazing...

From F1 cars and skis to submarines, buildings, and aircraft, monocoque structure today is pervasive. Yet there's probably no better example of its strength (and engineering beauty) than the common egg. Chickens may be dim but everyday they produce a natural marvel.


...and I pitty the poor train.
post #93 of 121
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

You shouldn't condemn it so fast. A well engineered plastic enclosure could be just as strong and durable as an aluminum one. Only time will tell if Apple did it right.


Dave

Actually decent plastic will handle small bumps and scratches much better that aluminium.

I'm perfectly fine with plastic (having HP notebook)... But is it good plastic? Have they improved on previous plastic MacBook, or are we going to see cracks all over again..?
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

it's a nice way of saying cheap plastic

No, not really, the opposite in this situation. Thinking that all plastics are the same is like thinking all metals are the same, it's not. Some plastics are cheap but polycarbonate is not. I recall polycarbonate being more expensive per cubic inch than aluminum, though molding is probably a lot cheaper than Apple's machined cases because it's one hit rather in the mold than several machining steps. The stuff is terrifically durable too. Aluminum has its benefits, but polycarbonate is better with impacts. I can use a deadblow mallet to severely bend and distort 1/4" thick aluminum plate, using the same force, same hammer with 1/4" thick polycarbonate sent the hammer right back at me with not so much as a scratch, crack or bend.

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I guess you did not see the video that showed how the aluminum unibody MacBook Pros are made.

I saw the video, I think you might have misinterpreted it, not knowing what's going on. The only thing laser etched about Apple's aluminum shells might be the speaker grille. The rest is machined using drills & end mills, metal on metal.

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No FireWire, no big deal since FireWire has been and is problematic.

I liked FireWire at first but experienced some Mac FireWire port failures and many FireWire drive port/chipset failures. For that reason, I quickly upgraded to FireWire/USB 2 combo drive enclosures just in case. I'm glad I did.

Melgross talks about Firewire failures on occasion too, but I don't know what's happening. I even have Firewire drives constantly and intermittently connected to my computer without troubles.
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No, not really, the opposite in this situation. Polycarbonate isn't cheap. I recall polycarbonate being more expensive per cubic inch than aluminum, though molding is probably a lot cheaper than Apple's machined cases because it's one hit rather in the mold than several machining steps. The stuff is terrifically durable too. I can use a deadblow mallet to severely bend and distort.

Not that its related to what you are talking about, but has everyone noticed that the case bottom is aluminium with a rubberized injection covering it?

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Melgross talks about Firewire failures on occasion too, but I don't know what's happening. I even have Firewire drives constantly and intermittently connected to my computer without troubles.

I had this problem, too, with a 2.5 TIme Machine drive. Time Machine would often fail and the iMac wouldnt boot up with the drive plugged it. I finally just moved to USB and no more problems. It could very well have been a firmware issue with the drive, but Ill never know.
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post #96 of 121
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So where's the cheaper hardware hinted the day before?

Why would Apple offer cheaper hardware at the time when they are making more money than ever..? Obviously their business model (including pricing strategy) works well.
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Why would Apple offer cheaper hardware at the time when they are making more money than ever..? Obviously their business model (including pricing strategy) works well.

Saturation is one reason. I think prior to the last price drop Apple had 92% of the $1000+ market segment. Unless that segment itself is growing because Apple is entering new countries or the economy is allowing people to enter that segment theyd have to lower prices to maintain growth. The shareholders wont be happy if Q4-2010 Apple sells only 3M Macs again.
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post #98 of 121
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NO FIREWIRE???? Let the BITCHIN begin!!!

most of the folks that would need a firewire port would likely be better off with the pro model anyway.

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Don't yet know if it's black or white.

white

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it's a nice way of saying cheap plastic

not at all. i popped into my local store to pick up some things and was happy to see that they had gotten in a few of the new model and one of the managers was carrying one around for folks to see it. the case was actually very nice. no more edge to crack, case had a nice smooth finish that should clean up better (so no dingy top piece anymore) and having the same trackpad makes it easier to switch to a new model if one sees a need to move up.

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So a $136 premium for those of us in the UK :-(

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Would love to recommend this to my friends who don't have a Mac but Apples insistence on ripping off anyone outside of the US is just not on, simply put the, attitude seems to be if you aren't am American you can bend over and take it like a bitch.

I"m sure the two of you, and the other non Americans on the board actually understand that when one is a company in one country importing your product to another company, the receiving company often has import taxes that raise the price of the products. and not even Apple can get around this.

so in fact it is your own country telling you to 'bend over and take it'

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Stunning Design, but...

2gb RAM?

for the purposes the model was designed for and the audience that buys it, 2GB is quite often more than enough.

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For US $1000.00 isn't very competitive in the face of countless laptops with far better specs at half-the price.

Oh Well - That's Apple!

sure is, which is why they are one of the few companies that has actually had sales go up during this recession.

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$129 to replace a battery?

well that's the same price as the old batteries. the only difference is that you have to make an free appointment to have a genius do the replacement

and as for the cost, as you and I are both aware -- being the wise and well read Apple users that we are -- these new batteries are spec'd at up to 1000 charge cycles, whereas the old ones only up to 300 cycles. so rather than having to replace a battery every year, its more like every 2-3 years if not longer. you could be sick of and actually replace the whole computer before you ever have to replace the battery

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Good catch! looks like this is one of the areas that they saved a little money. I have never used that feature. I can see what my battery status is in more detail from the Menu Bar.

yeah. I guess it doesn't matter too much. I only used it when my computer was off. Was a quick way to take a look at the battery before I took my laptop to class.
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dammit they didn't opt for a white macbook with black border. Now, that would be very Miami Vice and sexy as hell!

eeeewww! i just threw up in my mouth a little...
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Hahah I gotta admit, 7hr battery is mega
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The 7 hour battery should survive my flight to sunny portugal
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. . . .were in, and decided to maintain the $999 price point. This is a horrible decision. Good for gross margins, naturally, but sad news for the large pool of sub-1K buyers (and substantially more than a buck under a grand). Unless, of course, Apple introduces more MacBooks to widen the family and price spread.

With Windows 7 installed on just a middling to satisfactory laptop, the MacBook's appeal at $999 is stunted at best. Oh yeah, and let's throw in the separate adapters as a bonus topic.
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The new MacBook is absolutely gorgeous. It's not just the thinnest, flattest, generic electronic slab of computer. It is, however, a computer whose curves are beautiful, and the semi-plumpness makes the machine more ergonomic and full of personality. It is so clean, uncluttered, and elemental without a bunch of indecent-looking ports and bells and whistles on the exterior. The rubbery bottom is beautiful and I can imagine how good it would feel to hold. Apparently the screen has been vastly improved over the last model (whose screen was abominable in my opinion).

Instead of having an entry-level notebook that one must buy because that's all that he/she can afford, it is a desirable item that seemingly anyone would enjoy, even if only on the side of his/her primary machine. I think that the couple of features that have been dropped (a firewire port and the external battery indicator) won't matter to those whom this notebook is aimed. Most peripherals nowadays use USB connectivity anyway and if one needs something more he/she should probably get a MacBook Pro. I never use the external battery indicator. I'll just look at the software indicator while the computer is on. Obviously the power cord indicator light will also tell you in less detail whether the battery is full or needs to be charged.
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dammit … they didn't opt for a white macbook with black border. Now, that would be very Miami Vice and sexy as hell!

Black would have just totally ruined this computer for me. A black Mac is a wretched Mac in my opinion. The totally arctic enclosure is part of its appeal!

It definitely would've looked Miami though, that's for sure; but unless one lives in Miami I don't know if that would be a good thing.
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Good catch! looks like this is one of the areas that they saved a little money. I have never used that feature. I can see what my battery status is in more detail from the Menu Bar.

I never used that feature either. 'Glad it's gone.
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What most people bitching about the specs seem to forget, is that these MacBooks have much faster processors and RAM (1066MHz vs 800MHz), so it is not a minor update at all.

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post #108 of 121
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. . . .were in, and decided to maintain the $999 price point. This is a horrible decision. Good for gross margins, naturally, but sad news for the large pool of sub-1K buyers (and substantially more than a buck under a grand). Unless, of course, Apple introduces more MacBooks to widen the family and price spread.

With Windows 7 installed on just a middling to satisfactory laptop, the MacBook's appeal at $999 is stunted at best. Oh yeah, and let's throw in the separate adapters as a bonus topic.

They already dropped the price once this year. They arent going to drop it every time they have a release. I think this will be a smash with there LED backlight and 7 hour battery for $1k. Apple has shown no intention of competing with the arguably adequate much cheaper notebooks that have much smaller margins. I see no problem with this decision. They had record sales last quarter. If they go too cheap they just end up selling a machine for less profit while risking a supply chain issue, thus not able to make up the difference with higher volume sales. I have to think Apple is more aware of what they can produce, sell, and what their market segment will bear than we are.
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They already dropped the price once this year. They arent going to drop it every time they have a release. I think this will be a smash with there LED backlight and 7 hour battery for $1k. Apple has shown no intention of competing with the arguably adequate much cheaper notebooks that have much smaller margins. I see no problem with this decision. They had record sales last quarter. If they go too cheap they just end up selling a machine for less profit while risking a supply chain issue, thus not able to make up the difference with higher volume sales. I have to think Apple is more aware of what they can produce, sell, and what their market segment will bear than we are.

I agree.

The only reason Apple can make the money they do is because of the quality (second) and the following (first). Once they reach 40% or greater of the market share, you will see their margins fall. Everyone will bitch and moan about something (far greater than what we already do on AI!). Once you get so big you start making concessions like MSFT did.

Apple should get the premium while they can.
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I agree.

The only reason Apple can make the money they do is because of the quality (second) and the following (first). Once they reach 40% or greater of the market share, you will see their margins fall. Everyone will bitch and moan about something (far greater than what we already do on AI!). Once you get so big you start making concessions like MSFT did.

Apple should get the premium while they can.

Reaching 40% seems impossible when HP, the largest PC maker in the world only has 25% with a great deal of notebooks in the $400 range that I dont think would turn any profit if not for the pre-installed crapware revenue. Apples Macs already take a reported ⅓ of all pre-built PC sale revenue in the US. Getting to 15% Mac marketshare combined with their other revenue would likely make Apple the most valuable US company, even pushing well past MSFTs $230B market cap, while MS would still have over 90% of the OS marketshare.

I think the margins will fall for higher volume sales very carefully as a market segment gets saturated. Apple already has 92% of the $1000+ market segment, this new MacBook may very well affect that, but I wonder how theyll fair with the PCs $900 and over. While some of the trolls here said Apple must be faltering to have lowered prices, I think the major PC vendors were simply scared that they were now going to lose even more revenue to Apple.

Its a good time to be an AAPL stockholder.
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Reaching 40% seems impossible when HP, the largest PC maker in the world only has 25% with a great deal of notebooks in the $400 range that I dont think would turn any profit if not for the pre-installed crapware revenue. Apples Macs already take a reported ⅓ of all pre-built PC sale revenue in the US. Getting to 15% Mac marketshare combined with their other revenue would likely make Apple the most valuable US company, even pushing well past MSFTs $230B market cap, while MS would still have over 90% of the OS marketshare.

I think the margins will fall for higher volume sales very carefully as a market segment gets saturated. Apple already has 92% of the $1000+ market segment, this new MacBook may very well affect that, but I wonder how theyll fair with the PCs $900 and over. While some of the trolls here said Apple must be faltering to have lowered prices, I think the major PC vendors were simply scared that they were now going to lose even more revenue to Apple.

Its a good time to be an AAPL stockholder.

I agree with everything you stated. That is why I believe when their market share increases past a certain point their margins will start to fall.

Staying out of the $400 dollar computer war is smart. They offer up a cheap large iPhone/Limited Computer and bam, they covered the gap with something people want but don't give up big computer needs to kill their $1,000 + sales.

Apple wants the pie but I think they understand eating the whole thing can really blow.
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it's a nice way of saying cheap plastic

Or a correct way of saying "one piece molded" .... but then , correctness never was your strong point.
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Apple has never manufactured a laser-etched extruded metal enclosure! Unibody is a design concept for the laptop structure it is not a material.

Dave


Taken from apple website: "That one part is called the unibody a seamless enclosure carved from a single piece of aluminum."



Last time I checked, aluminum is a material. Now, do you understand?
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I agree with everything you stated. That is why I believe when their market share increases past a certain point their margins will start to fall.

Staying out of the $400 dollar computer war is smart. They offer up a cheap large iPhone/Limited Computer and bam, they covered the gap with something people want but don't give up big computer needs to kill their $1,000 + sales.

Apple wants the pie but I think they understand eating the whole thing can really blow.

And I agree with everything you stated. I see Mac growth from 4 places:

1) new markets (countries)
2) new market segments (lower prices)
3) new products (15 polycarb MB?)
4) new customers within a market segment (convince people TCO is lower for Mac).

They already appear to the 4th one working well at about 50% each quarter. Weve seen the lower cost MB and I think that will stay set for a long time as each new drop should typically increase volume while also dramatically increasing the saturation threshold. Dramatic economic changes can obviously effect it.

They dont seem to be moving too fast to enter new countries. Europe Mac growth is growing and Paris finally gets and Apple Store. Apple never did seem comfortable with international Mac sales. I hope this changes for the better.

I do think that a 15 polycarb unibody MB would a great fit for Apple to maintain a margins while also grabbing a whole lot of people that just dont want the 13 notebook. 15 was standard as 4:3 and it seems to have stayed that way with 16:10.

PS: I hope they go to 16:9 with future notebooks as I already miss the taller display of my 12 PB over my 13 MBP. That will just make it worse. Id likely have to move to a 15 then.
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Would love to recommend this to my friends who don't have a Mac but Apples insistence on ripping off anyone outside of the US is just not on, simply put the, attitude seems to be if you aren't am American you can bend over and take it like a bitch.

I won't recommend it on principal.

There are a ton of reasons for price differentials between various markets, most of which are beyond Apple's control, .... i.e. currency differences, trade restrictions, special taxes etc. I wouldn't be so quick to jump all over Apple for not being able to control your countries differences. Of course, I'm not looking to always find something to whine and bitch about ..... .just sayin'
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Stunning Design, but...

2gb RAM? 250gb HD (...)

Surely you realize that should it be required, one may special order the new MacBook from the Apple Store website with up to 4 GB RAM and a 500 GB HD. I, too, agree that the design is stunning.
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Surely you realize that should it be required, one may special order the new MacBook from the Apple Store website with up to 4 GB RAM and a 500 GB HD. I, too, agree that the design is stunning.

Sure...

For an additional US 250.00 (for a mere additional 2 gigs of RAM and a 5400 RPM HD) which is rather exorbitant given that one can get the same 'upgrades' for nearly half the price, on any given weekend, at Fry's electronics.

Undoubtedly these are specs (4gb RAM/500gb HD) that ANY US 1000.00 laptop should feature as standard issue in the year 2009, yet they're US 250.00 upgrades on the 'plastic' MacBook.
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post #118 of 121
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Sure...

For an additional US 250.00 (for a mere additional 2 gigs of RAM and a 5400 RPM HD) which is rather exorbitant given that one can get the same 'upgrades' for nearly half the price, on any given weekend, at Fry's electronics.

Undoubtedly these are specs (4gb RAM/500gb HD) that ANY US 1000.00 laptop should feature as standard issue in the year 2009, yet they're US 250.00 upgrades on the 'plastic' MacBook.

That is always a way to go but, especially if you want HW that Apple simply doesnt offer, but I would let Apple do my upgrade from 2GB to 4GB RAM now that there RAM is more reasonably priced. There price is $100 while Frys is $80, and that doesnt include the education discount many can get from Apple. Plus, Apple is then responsible for the RAM so I feel better protected if something were to needs service and less likely to have a problem from Apples RAM.

The HDD Id go with from Newegg or some other source, but go for a drive a faster drive. Id also wait until larger drives come out as the initial size will be sufficient for some time.


PS: With my last MBP purchase, right after Apple dropped the RAM price I did buy RAM at Frys. Kept getting freezes and kernel panics so I returned it. Paid the difference for a more expensive brand. Same thing, so I returned it for a refund. It had been a few weeks since I bought my Mac but I went to an Apple Store and they put in the RAM for me at the upgrade price. You dont get to keep the old RAM, but its not like Id sell it or use it anyway. Havent had a RAM issue since.
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post #119 of 121
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3) new products (15” polycarb MB?)

I do think that a 15” polycarb unibody MB would a great fit for Apple to maintain a margins while also grabbing a whole lot of people that just don’t want the 13” notebook. 15” was standard as 4:3 and it seems to have stayed that way with 16:10.

I don't see Apple extending the MacBook line at all. I see the current MB being entry level like the mini and the MBP move further into the Mac Pro price range (starting at $1499 for a 2.8Ghz C2D 13" MBP) and the middle consumer tier occupied by tablets ($499 w/2 year data plan or $999, $1299).
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I would have liked to see them drop the price to £699 and add a range of colours rather than just white.
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