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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

That is blatantly wrong and false.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/...bution_rising/

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Total disc sales, including standard DVDs and Blu-ray, plunged 13.9%, a slightly bigger drop than the 13.5% decline in the first six months of 2009. In an effort to downplay just how dismal revenue from DVD sales has become, DEG didn't disclose total revenue for the category.

Guys if you provide the link or links to backup your statement it prevents the "no it isn't, yes it is" responses.
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post #122 of 846
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I don't disagree, I just happened to be reading about blu ray sales today. Also I don't see Apple adding that cost to the iMac. For a blu ray reader on an HP you are adding 240.00, with Apple clearly that would be more. SJ doesn't even like the iMac he thinks everyone should be using laptops and iPhones so I don't think alot of extra effort goes into the iMac.

Nothing really changed today, still using the same basic design, still using glass in front of a now LED screen which is stupid.

People talking about these new releases stealing the thunder from MS this week. Don't really see that happening.


not anymore

Dell is shipping PC's with Windows 7 now and most of them they have Blu Ray as standard
post #123 of 846
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Originally Posted by spiffydave View Post

Found my own answer from PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/17155...explained.html):



So it looks like the i5 might be just fine, especially if Snow Leopard isn't recognizing the hyper-threading.

Any other opinions?

Thanks for the info SpiffyD!

I was asking myself the same question since I'm about to pull the trigger on x2

See...

Me and my wife will both get new ones and then my wife's current 24" iMac (2 years old?) will go to her dad who's Mac just died last week... This way everyone is happy and I don't have to troubleshoot a 5 year old PPC iMac that 'doesn't work sometimes*' that he was using... YAY!!!

* However it will always work the times when I drive the 2+ hour trip to work on it.
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post #124 of 846
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It still doesn't change the fact that you have all this potential on the new 27" iMac and nothing to watch on it except iTunes HD, DVDs and 1080p trailers from the Quicktime trailer site. Kind of a waste.

You would buy a $2000 computer with a 27" screen as a television/video viewer?
Why not spend $1000 on a good 32" television? Or $2000 on a 40"-46" TV?
post #125 of 846
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Originally Posted by MadIvan View Post

There's no tough crown, just TekSpud vomitting all over the thread. That was an amazing number of negative posts on one thread from one user. Regarding the glossy thing, remember when all monitors had glass fronts becuase they were CRTs? There were anti-glare filters. Someone must make something like that today. If not, it could be a business opportunity if there are really that many people that have a problem with glossy.

The glossy screen on my iPod touch drives me crazy. I can't imagine having to deal with 27" of gloss.
post #126 of 846
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Blu-ray - Unless it's a Blu-ray recorder and you're producing discs for a living it's not really needed. Yes that's my opinion but again 3 million Mac sales with nary a Blu-ray installed does not help your case. Consumers at larget don't care.

I didn't know Mac users had a choice of getting Blu-ray installed.

Sitting at a computer is about the only time I'm close enough to an HD display that I can tell the difference in picture quality that comes with Blu-ray and 1080p. The 60" family room HDTV isn't nearly close enough from any seat to distinguish between 720p and 1080p.

Why was Blu-ray omitted? As I understand it, the "bag of hurt" no longer exists. Maybe it's because iTMS HD movies would look pitiful compared to Blu-ray, when the user sits at a normal 20" viewing distance from their computer display.
post #127 of 846
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

Read the fine print. The 27" model supports DisplayPort input.

I guess I need to edit my original post so people stop informing me of this fact
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post #128 of 846
So how long until these new iMacs show up on Amazon so I can avoid sales tax and get overnight shipping for 3.99?
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http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/...bution_rising/



Guys if you provide the link or links to backup your statement it prevents the "no it isn't, yes it is" responses.


they also said rentals are taking a bite out of DVD sales. at 220 DVD's i stopped and sold my collection. it got to the point where i would watch most movies once a year or so. Now wife and I just rent or pay per view
post #130 of 846
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If you read my post I wasn't making a case for blu ray in fact I was making one against. Most people just aren't interested. Blu ray readers have been available on my PC for a while now and except for Sony laptops I really don't know anyone that has one.

No worries extremeskater I wasn't attempting to refute anything in your post. In fact I agree and that's coming from a guy with both HD DVD and Blu-ray media. Personally I'm moving away from collecting media on physical discs. I've thrown away my CD jewel boxes in lieu of higher density storage and I could see myself doing something similar with my DVDs as well.
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post #131 of 846
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Mostly because it is bigger (as in when I read a web site) and also because when you have a 16:9 image you can still fit some something on top and bottom of it (ie play controls in a movie, edit controls in a picture, apple menu bar in regular use)

So why not do a tad better, and ask for 16:12.....? (But don't divide by 4 )
post #132 of 846
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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

Welcome to life. Want the best stereo option available for your new car? You better upgrade to the larger engine and an automatic transmission (yuck). It is frustrating, but it definitely isn't limited to Apple. This wouldn't be a major problem for me as if I were going to get an iMac it would be the 27" with the BTO i7 option.

Except that I have yet to see an automobile manufacturer design a car in such a way that prevents me from adding my own stereo. If they did, I wouldn't purchase the car.

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post #133 of 846
It appears Snow Leopard does use the hyper-threading, but will only show the additional cores when the CPU(s) are being taxed (HandBrake encode, etc.).

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....37564&tstart=0
post #134 of 846
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Yeah thats what I was trying to say. Digital downloading is really the way people want to go these days. Even for home entertainment I believe most people can't tell the difference between blu ray and standard dvd format. Also I still feel that the US overall is behind on true HD quality programming compared to other parts of the world, not to mention cost.

The US is way ahead on digital downloading/streaming though. It isn't a real option for much of the world right now.
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So how long until these new iMacs show up on Amazon so I can avoid sales tax and get overnight shipping for 3.99?

I called Amazon and the nice Indian woman I spoke with suggested it should be there in 2-3 days.
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Except that I have yet to see an automobile manufacturer design a car in such a way that prevents me from adding my own stereo. If they did, I wouldn't purchase the car.

-kpluck

Have you looked at any cars produced in the last 10 years? They are not designed to have their stereos replaced.

Edit: I'm not saying I support Apple in their quest to limit your options. I'm just saying that they are not alone.
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I didn't know Mac users had a choice of getting Blu-ray installed.

Sitting at a computer is about the only time I'm close enough to an HD display that I can tell the difference in picture quality that comes with Blu-ray and 1080p. The 60" family room HDTV isn't nearly close enough from any seat to distinguish between 720p and 1080p.

Why was Blu-ray omitted? As I understand it, the "bag of hurt" no longer exists. Maybe it's because iTMS HD movies would look pitiful compared to Blu-ray, when the user sits at a normal 20" viewing distance from their computer display.

Because it isn't "free" by any stretch. With Blu-ray your system has to account for 3 or more forms of DRM. AACS, BD+, ROM Mark and you have to support their Java mess of a menu system.

We've gone of this ad infinitum on these boards. If 720p was all that bad then JVC wouldn't be selling JVC Pro cams that record at that resolution. I think people are dreaming if they think they see a big difference between 720 and 180 on a 32" or less HDTV
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post #138 of 846
Just a quick question guys, the new 27' seems pretty good. but i'm debating between the \t 3.06GHz dual core or the i5 quad. if i dont do much video editing or finalcut stuff. would I see a noticeble difference? Same question with the lesser video card. I tried the old imac 2.66 dual core, and it seemed fine, i just dunno if dualcore will become obsolete soon, cuz gonna be a long term investment, i just dont want new programs to come up that runs poorly on a dual core
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Dell is shipping PC's with Windows 7 now and most of them they have Blu Ray as standard

Are those one there more expensive lines, which they dont sell many of? With Dell losing money and marketshare so quickly including Blu-ray drives as standard smells of desperation. If it were HP it would be a little different.
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post #140 of 846
Yes, I want Blue Ray so that 1) the hardware will be riddled with DRM negatively effecting performance of the whole system even when not using Blue Ray, 2) I have to pay more to burn disks, 3) I can't rip disks, 4) backward Blue Ray compatibility becomes an issue in the future, and 5) I can pay more for less.

The reality is the little bit of benefit Blue Ray has is far over ridden by the draw backs. Sony, the same one that likes to put hidden DRM on systems without permission, designed the system. What more do I need to say. If you want Blue Ray, buy a third party player which won't hamper over all performance.

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Yep, pretty damn lame. They're not cheaper, they're not thinner, they've got gorgeous 16:9 screens but no Blu-Ray.
post #141 of 846
Brilliant move by Apple to come out with some pretty substantial hardware updates this week.

I think they just stole some of Microsoft's thunder for the Win 7 release on the 22nd.

Yeah, yeah, Windows 7 is coming out. But I wanna see the new iMacs.

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Is Apple stupid where is E-SATA coonection I have been waiting for.
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An i7 at last, but the price and lack of BD is comical. £2200 ($3600) for a decent spec one in the UK, and why must one have a screen the size of a football field just to get a quad core CPU?

I guess the iMac will remain a curiosity which few actually buy.
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Originally Posted by KM37 View Post

Just a quick question guys, the new 27' seems pretty good. but i'm debating between the \t 3.06GHz dual core or the i5 quad. if i dont do much video editing or finalcut stuff. would I see a noticeble difference? Same question with the lesser video card. I tried the old imac 2.66 dual core, and it seemed fine, i just dunno if dualcore will become obsolete soon, cuz gonna be a long term investment, i just dont want new programs to come up that runs poorly on a dual core

If you're not doing a lot of applications that are benefitting from Quad Core (like Final Cut ) then you're better off with higher mgz dual core processing because it'll take apps that aren't leveraging multiple threads heavily and run them faster.
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Yeah thats what I was trying to say. Digital downloading is really the way people want to go these days. Even for home entertainment I believe most people can't tell the difference between blu ray and standard dvd format. Also I still feel that the US overall is behind on true HD quality programming compared to other parts of the world, not to mention cost.

I dont agree with people not being able to tell the difference. Id say that most people just dont care. DVDs are still good enough for the majority and digital downloads will win over Blu-ray because its more convenient.
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post #146 of 846
I think they discontinued them! now it's either big (21) or HUGE (27). That's crazy. They should keep the 24" around..
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It would be unless you're a hypocrite. Al Gore anyone?

Or you use rechargeable batteries. Techstud anyone?
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I will admit I am a person that likes to have a dvd in my hand as a backup. I hate just backing up to a drive because I can still see that failing at some point. Even downloading full HD content I would still love to back it up to a blu ray disk but the cost of doing that is stupid you might was well just go out and buy the movie on blu ray.

Same here...I can't get rid of my CDs or DVDs because they function as my backups but I'd love to move towards more digitization of my media for easier distribution and accesss. I expect that I'll have about 6 TB of storage to save whatever I need and I may have to archive to tape to keep things affordable LOL. It's still the cheapest.

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An i7 at last, but the price and lack of BD is comical. £2200 ($3600) for a decent spec one in the UK, and why must one have a screen the size of a football field just to get a quad core CPU?

I guess the iMac will remain a curiosity which few actually buy.

Probably because of surface area. The larger the casing becomes the more it can dissipate heat.
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@humurchison - when are you going to update your Bloggity Blog?

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What happened to the industrial look? The thinner? Couldn't they have made the whole face black at least with a silver Apple. COme on!!!

Complain, complain, complain...
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Is it true you have to pay the $20 for the Remote now? I mean not to buy it if you lost it, but just outright shell out for it?
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http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/...bution_rising/



Guys if you provide the link or links to backup your statement it prevents the "no it isn't, yes it is" responses.

Sorry about that - I was on my iPhone at lunch and didn't have the time. Here you go:

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/blu-ray-...ard-times/7098
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Complain, complain, complain...

I'm not the only one!!!
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Is Apple stupid where is E-SATA coonection I have been waiting for.

You're joking right? eSATA has never been on Apple's roadmap.

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@humurchison - when are you going to update your Bloggity Blog?

Honestly I'm done with Blogger. Way too much spam and not enough tools. Eventually I'm going to develop a wordpress site. I've been too lazy (never get anything done during football season lol)
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Or you use rechargeable batteries. Techstud anyone?

In my MacBookPro? annoymouse - anyone?
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Because it isn't "free" by any stretch. With Blu-ray your system has to account for 3 or more forms of DRM. AACS, BD+, ROM Mark and you have to support their Java mess of a menu system.

That's why we charges more for Blu-ray.


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If 720p was all that bad then JVC wouldn't be selling JVC Pro cams that record at that resolution. I think people are dreaming if they think they see a big difference between 720 and 180 on a 32" or less HDTV

I agree with you 100% as far as the family TV goes, but a computer display is generally viewed at a much closer distance.

I don't believe iTMS HD movies are even 720p. If you sit closer to a 1080p display than it's diagonal measure, you can see all the pixels and easily tell the difference between DVD, iTMS HD, 720p and 1080p (with the latter pair still being the most difficult to distinguish). How many avenues do consumers have for getting 720p+ material for their Mac? Blu-ray would open up a nice option, even if Blu-ray was only 720p.
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Are those one there more expensive lines, which they don’t sell many of? With Dell losing money and marketshare so quickly including Blu-ray drives as standard smells of desperation. If it were HP it would be a little different.


i thought i saw it as standard, but now i'm seeing it as a $100 option. Hard to tell with Dell since they have so many models for every niche and it's a complete build to order unlike Apple. either way if i was buying a desktop, i would probably choose apple over a dell now. for laptops it's a toss up but we'll probably see new MBP's before the end of the year

for a computer i don't really care about blu-ray since i don't plan on watching movies on it
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I think they discontinued them! now it's either big (21) or HUGE (27). That's crazy. They should keep the 24" around..

I actually second that, and I hope they will for the education consumer.
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

I think this is an example of Apple doing something really interesting and not really knowing quite what they have (like the iPhone). Imagine these with a TV tuner, optional Blu-Ray and a couple of HDMI inputs.

I have been for the last year!!!!!!!1
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Originally Posted by belunos View Post

Those prices are actually pretty good.. I was expecting over 2k for the 27" imac

Considering what a good HDTV costs in that size I don't think the prices are all that bad. They could be better of course but considering this is Apple they could be a lot worst. The i5 at almost 2grand isn't really that bad. It is unfortunate though that they keep that processor out of the smaller screen model.

I suspect this is where Apple expects to see lower margins. The machines just have enough extra to impact that.


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