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Complain, complain, complain...

Seriously! They add desktop-class CPUs with higher TDPs and he complains that it’s not as thin as he wanted. Of course, if they made it thinner he’d be complaining that they stuck with notebook-class CPUs. I guess he thinks Apple can perform magic tricks and summon TARDIS technology at will.
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Why was Blu-ray omitted? As I understand it, the "bag of hurt" no longer exists. Maybe it's because iTMS HD movies would look pitiful compared to Blu-ray, when the user sits at a normal 20" viewing distance from their computer display.

;-) that, and the fact that BR is niche. I honestly think BR are pretty much DOA as far as the general public goes. When BR is the only option out there Macs may include it, but my feeling is that by that time optical media will be as common as tape drives.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

The glossy screen on my iPod touch drives me crazy. I can't imagine having to deal with 27" of gloss.

You can hang it on a wall for your wife to look into. BTW do you think there will be a screen protector type deal, those kinda make the iPhone's screen look matte, so it could be a solution.
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They don't need to be cheaper - they're better! DUH! These are gorgeous and will sell like CRAZY!

So go buy me one, cause I ain't spendin'.
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Seriously! they add desktop-class CPUs with higher TDPS and he complains that it’s not as thin as he wanted. Of course, if they made it thinner he’d be complaining that they stuck with notebook-class CPUs. I guess he thinks Apple can perform magic tricks and summon TARDIS technology at will.

Blu-ray is a magic trick besides a bag of hurt? Thank you for that enlightenment.
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The Core i7 has hyper threading, so it should appear as 8 cores, but I don't know if Snow Leopard uses this..

Both Leopard and Snow Leopard (since 10.5.7) fully support the Nehalem architecture including HT. A core i7 shows up as four physical cores and 8 logical.
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;-) that, and the fact that BR is niche. I honestly think BR are pretty much DOA as far as the general public goes. When BR is the only option out there Macs may include it, but my feeling is that by that time optical media will be as common as tape drives.

In true Apple form they will probably add Blu-ray AACS support to OS X after they have completely beaten it in the living room. That isnt going to happen for awhile.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

That is blatantly wrong and false.


Streaming growing faster than Blu-Ray.

DVD sales plummeting.
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I will admit I am a person that likes to have a dvd in my hand as a backup. I hate just backing up to a drive because I can still see that failing at some point. Even downloading full HD content I would still love to back it up to a blu ray disk but the cost of doing that is stupid you might was well just go out and buy the movie on blu ray.

I back up all of my digital content onto a 3TB, 4 disk RAID 5 array in a Promise file server. The chances of losing the primary disk copy and the RAID at the same time are pretty small. Basically my house burning down, which would destroy CDs and DVDs too.
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So why not do a tad better, and ask for 16:12.....? (But don't divide by 4 )

Haven't really though about that... what an awesome format Yea i guess it is a preference thing, maybe they should switch between the two every year.
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In my MacBookPro? annoymouse - anyone?

Your MacBook Pro already has a rechargeable battery.

You should get an EEG to make sure you have brain function. It might be time to pull the cord on you.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

The glossy screen on my iPod touch drives me crazy. I can't imagine having to deal with 27" of gloss.

And the larger the gloss the more crazy you will get- I guarantee it.
Just ask solipism - he uses a 24 glossy everday. Can't you tell?
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Your MacBook Pro already has a rechargeable battery.

You should get an EEG to make sure you have brain function. It might be time to pull the cord on you.

Oh i thought you said replaceable- I was walking down the street. Oh well - one or the other.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

women hate wires more than they like the environment

i'll take wireless and batteries over the wire mess i have on my computer desk anyday

The environment plays no part in my intense hatred of buying batteries for products that shouldn't need them. Wires are cheap, secure and reliable.

My wife hates wires, but I think she's justified given how many we've got.

- old AthlonXP PC with wired KB/mouse/display/speakers, Ethernet
- kids' G4 tower with wired KB/mouse/display/speakers, Ethernet
- Intel mini with wired KB/trackball/mouse/display/speakers, Ethernet, 5 external hard drive cases, USB hub
- USB printer/scanner
- network laser printer
- AirPort Extreme and 10/100 switch tying everything together
- extra Ethernet cable and mag-safe power adapter for MacBook Pro that I bring home from work
- cable modem
- cordless telephone charging base

I have two 8-outlet and one 7-outlet surge protectors fully utilized. One of the external hard drives doesn't have anywhere to plug in so I swap power cables when I need to access it.
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I actually second that, and I hope they will for the education consumer.

They have.
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I think im gonna rely on the new imac to watch a lot of movies, from dvds or online places. and it seems now possible to eventually connect a wii to the imac from the display port. So with that in mind, should I be concerned between ATI 4670 or ATI 4850 for the graphic card, i mean, i might be a computer illiterate...but does the graphic card kick in for the smoothness and quality of the movies/outside source games?
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Seriously! they add desktop-class CPUs with higher TDPS and he complains that its not as thin as he wanted. Of course, if they made it thinner hed be complaining that they stuck with notebook-class CPUs. I guess he thinks Apple can perform magic tricks and summon TARDIS technology at will.

LOL!

Yeah, I think these upgrades are really nice (not perfect mind you, but very nice)! I'm seriously considering 2 of the i7's along with a Mac Mini server for my new 3D Visualization company (http://studiothought.com).

I really want 16-core Mac Pros but don't quite have the budget for that right now (maybe by the time the 16-core Mac Pro is released next year, I'll have the $$).
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In true Apple form they will probably add Blu-ray AACS support to OS X after they have completely beaten it in the living room. That isnt going to happen for awhile.

With that new MobileMe sync patent that Apple's working on it's clear that Apple's moving towards a relatively seamless multimedia enviroment where your content follows you around on multiple devices. The movie industry and the music industry just wants to ship boxes. Apple will continue to have to pull them, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

Blu-ray is a product that appeals mostly to content providers with excessive DRM lockdowns and even Managed Copy which was promised prior to the formats launch as at least an option is still a ways off and requires new hardware.

Digital distribution is going to take the market and once the DRM gets worked out to allow for safe "space shifting" the idea of watching movies on a disc will seem so pedestrian much like listening to music on shiny round discs.

When the better moustrap is delivered ..people don't go back to the "old ways". I'm excited for what the future offers. Apple will have likely beaten Blu-ray before the BDA and many consumes even realize.
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[QUOTE=KM37;1503464 now possible to eventually connect a wii to the imac from the display port. [/QUOTE]

Haha a WiiMac, be careful though, don't smash that 27' screen with the controller.
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Oh i thought you said replaceable- I was walking down the street. Oh well - one or the other.

Hmmm, some autonomous nerve and lower brain function, but apparently no evidence of cerebral activity.
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NO matte- no purchase.

- you are a PC, buy a (non-mac)pc!
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Well, just played around with the BTO for the 27" iMac on Apple's site. Let's see what the best options add up to along with reasonable (but not all) accessories...

- iMac 27"
- Core i7 quad core 2.8GHz
- 16 GB 1066MHz DDR3 memory (still no 1333 yet???)
- 2TB HD
- Magic Mouse
- Wireless Keyboard
- Remote
- iWork '09
- One to One
- AppleCare

Grand total: $4,185.00

Best be saving up for awhile!
post #184 of 846
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In true Apple form they will probably add Blu-ray AACS support to OS X after they have completely beaten it in the living room. That isn’t going to happen for awhile.

You talk complete FUD. Apple didn't wait that long before introducing DVD drives in iMAcs. VHS was still the format of choice- you probably still watch video on one.
Also say what you will about Microsheet but at least they have Blu-ray support built into their OS even though they backed HD DVD.
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So you are using trends shown in Netflix to be representative of the entire industry? Of course streaming works well for Netflix which is an unlimited rental service. If you want to watch a movie now, are you going to stream it now or wait for the Blu-ray to arrive in the mail? Trends in Netflix don't account for people that go to a rental store and rent movies or people that like to purchase and own their movies. Furthermore, Netflix is US only.

This is very similar to CD's. Downloading, streaming and physical media will coexist for quite some time, with digital formats probably gaining market share at a slightly faster rate than with music due to more people interested in only watching the movie once.
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It looks like the Core i7 option isn't as expensive as I expected. $200 over the cost of the Core i5, so $2200. Not good, but not terrible.

You're bitching about a $200 upgrade?

Tough crowd indeed. The Imac update is sweet. As far as the matte option not being there, not a big surprise. While I might like to see a matte option myself it's not going to prevent me from buying an Imac. It seems we've all forgotten that our CRT's were all glass and they worked fine.
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Well, just played around with the BTO for the 27" iMac on Apple's site. Let's see what the best options add up to along with reasonable (but not all) accessories...

- iMac 27"
- Core i7 quad core 2.8GHz
- 16 GB 1066MHz DDR3 memory (still no 1333 yet???)
- 2TB HD
- Magic Mouse
- Wireless Keyboard
- Remote
- iWork '09
- One to One
- AppleCare

Grand total: $4,185.00

Best be saving up for awhile!

Go with the base RAM and see how much money you'd save upgrading it yourself.

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Blu-ray will loose out to Digital Downloads...

The studios make more money from downloads:

No physical media to manufacture/distribute
More DRM
And everyone who wants to own has to buy a copy - no selling/trading it in or buying it used...
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What's with all of the Palm Pre ads on AppleInsider? I count 3 separate ones on this page alone.
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I'm starting to wonder if blu ray is even going to survive in the long run. I was reading today that overall DVD sales including Blu ray dropped 13.9%. They dropped another 13.5% the first six months of 2009. This happening while digital distribution keeps rising.

That same DEG report that you're reading from also indicated that the YTD Blu-ray sales are up 83% over last year. This far outpaces the 20 percent growth for digital distribution.

Don't believe everything you read in the tech press. Most of the writers are computer-centric and obsessed with streaming/online media. They will spin every little bit of news to create the impression that downloading and streaming have already taken over the home video market and that Blu-ray is doomed -- no matter what the market reality otherwise says. The fact that Blu-ray's growing at 4X the rate of digital distribution is something you'll never see many of them admit to.

Blu-ray's doing fine. Just because the adoption rate has been slightly slower than it was for the DVD (which just happened to be the most successful consumer electronics launch in history), doesn't mean that Blu-ray is dead in the water. This holiday season will see big markdowns on Blu-ray players, and that will likely spur sales like they did last year. Also, several of the big blockbuster releases will also get released over the next couple of months. Those too will spur Blu-ray sales. And it doesn't hurt that HDTV prices continue to tumble, and unit sales have actually held steady.

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Everyone thought when HD-DVD died Blu Ray would jump and it hasn't, in fact numbers keep falling. Most people don't seem interested.

What numbers keep falling? Certainly not Blu-ray. Disc sales have increased. Player sales have increased. For many new releases, Blu-ray's market share already exceeds 20%.

The only numbers that have fallen have been for DVDs. And that's largely because the DVD format no longer has a huge backlog of eagerly anticipated catalog titles waiting to be released. It's pretty much new releases that now drive the DVD market, and sales for new titles have not slid nearly as much as they have for older titles. Basically, most of the older titles that people want on DVD have already come out, and the studios have drastically cut back on the special collector's editions on DVD. Those bonus features are now going to the Blu-ray versions.
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I dont agree with people not being able to tell the difference. Id say that most people just dont care. DVDs are still good enough for the majority and digital downloads will win over Blu-ray because its more convenient.

If history repeats itself, you are certainly correct. Image quality was superior on Beta, VHS was more convenient because of longer playing time on the tapes. Which one won? Assuming anyone on this thread is old enough to remember the first video format war.
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Blu-ray will loose out to Digital Downloads...

The studios make more money from downloads:

No physical media to manufacture/distribute
More DRM
And everyone who wants to own has to buy a copy - no selling/trading it in or buying it used...

In what year?
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WRONG.

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/blu-ray-...ard-times/7098

Breathless stories of big gains for Blu-Ray are meaningless unless they account for a baseline. Since Blu-Ray was starting from pretty much nothing as of recently, it's not that impressive to cite percentage gains in shipments.

Meanwhile, the trend lines are clear: streaming and downloads are growing rapidly, while optical media are stagnant. Blu-Rays gains sound impressive until you note that the $500 million in Blu-Ray sales are a drop in the bucket compared to the overall home video market, with even direct view and downloads taking in $1.4 billion.
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post #195 of 846
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So how long until these new iMacs show up on Amazon so I can avoid sales tax and get overnight shipping for 3.99?

Gotta love Amazon Prime eh?
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post #196 of 846
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And no matte and still ugly black border- puke.
I now have to wait 6 more months.

So do I.

So beautiful LED IPS display and so UGLY GLASS SCREEN. Duh...
I'm waiting to upgrade 10 workplaces for my designers until Apple releases MATTE iMacs!!!! No way before!
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Since Blu-Ray is arleady dead, I don't care about blu-ray drive in iMac. Dump it, Apple.
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You talk complete FUD. Apple didn't wait that long before introducing DVD drives in iMAcs. VHS was still the format of choice- you probably still watch video on one.
Also say what you will about Microsheet but at least they have Blu-ray support built into their OS even though they backed HD DVD.

Who cares about Blu-ray support?!?! It'll be obsolete in a few years anyway. Apple isn't playing that game. They are pushing digital distribution and will soon offer true 1080p videos.

For the time-being, I'm happy with what they offer on iTunes. Especially on my 32-inch TV. Now if I had a 60+ inch TV, it would be a different story. If 60+ TVs were the norm and the majority of users owned TVs over 60", then I would be sending Apple feedback about supporting 1080p.

There really is hardly any perceptible difference between 720p and 1080p on lower than 60" TVs. For the most part, Apple is keeping their technology in current reality. Not reality 3-5 years from now. They're a smart company but they're not targeting the ultra audio/video-phile (which I assume you may be).
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Well, just played around with the BTO for the 27" iMac on Apple's site. Let's see what the best options add up to along with reasonable (but not all) accessories...

- iMac 27"
- Core i7 quad core 2.8GHz
- 16 GB 1066MHz DDR3 memory (still no 1333 yet???)
- 2TB HD
- Magic Mouse
- Wireless Keyboard
- Remote
- iWork '09
- One to One
- AppleCare

Grand total: $4,185.00

Best be saving up for awhile!

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DDR3 is still expensive. buy the minimum and wait a year or so until it's cheaper and buy more RAM. same with HD. buy the smallest and buy an external off newegg. it will be cheaper.
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Found my own answer from PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/17155...explained.html):



So it looks like the i5 might be just fine, especially if Snow Leopard isn't recognizing the hyper-threading.

Any other opinions?

Hyperthreading has nothing to do with the OS. It is an entirely internal to the processor function.

When the processor is below its TCP, and the workload requires it, the cores will automatically up their speeds by a bin or more, depending on the load and the individual processor model, up to 5 bins.

Don't worry about OS X recognizing it.
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