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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Enough of that lame link! Is that article taking into consideration digital downloads from cable/sat companies and, most importantly, the ad supported streaming that makes up the bulk of the streaming these days. Sure didnt sound like it.

So, it's lame because it disagrees with your point, right...
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Yeah, just noticed, wasn't going to wade through seven pages of "blu-ray sucks", it is amazing how many people on this site say it is worth spending extra on a mac, but they won't accept the price of blu-ray even with it being so much better than anything else available

Except nobody is saying that.

What's being said is that, while Blu-ray is obviously technically superior to any download option currently available, PQ may not be sufficient to trump convenience.

People are being conditioned to watch video on laptop screen via Hulu and their ilk, a lot of people have on demand (in reasonably decent HD) available on their cable subscription.

Anyone arguing for the eventual dominance of online music sales wasn't predicating it on something like "High bit CDs suck" or "they cost too much", they were simply reading the writing on the wall. Anyone saying "but high bit CDs sound so much better, crappy MP3s will never beat that" were just missing the point.
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Look great. Why are people so hung up on the cost of a mac vs. pc. I never hear Chevy owners complain about the high price of a Lexus and how Lexus owners are getting ripped off, etc.

Anyways, even if you end up spending $700 more for the low end iMac over a POS PC for something you use everyday like your computer (say for the next 4 years), paying $15 a month extra is a small amount for the reliability of OS X and the overall superior Mac experience.
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And Mac sales are growing at a faster rate than PCs. It follows that Macs will inevitably come to dominate the computer market.

You need to stop now- you're embarrassing yourself. Do you know how much faster Macs would have to sell "to dominate the computer market"?
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Not in my life time, and not in my childrens life time. Downloads may be the next big thing, but it will be a while away

Hi. jfanning, this is my point. Point, this is jfanning. I dont' believe you've met.

You were citing rate of growth outstripping downloads as evidence of Blu-ray's eventual dominance. I was pointing out that rate of growth is pretty misleading is you don't take into account installed user base.

Somehow you managed to get that backwards and end up agreeing with me.
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You need to stop now- you're embarrassing yourself.

See my post above. You're a ****** idiot.
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Look great. Why are people so hung up on the cost of a mac vs. pc. I never hear Chevy owners complain about the high price of a Lexus and how Lexus owners are getting ripped off, etc.

Anyways, even if you end up spending $700 more for the low end iMac over a POS PC for something you use everyday like your computer (say for the next 4 years), paying $15 a month extra is a small amount for the reliability of OS X and the overall superior Mac experience.

I'm pretty sure that if you took all factors into consideration including the LED backlit IPS monitors, these imacs would be very competitive. Macs tends to be fairly competitive when they are released (still costing slightly more that comparable systems) and then trailing off further into the product cycle as competing technology advances and Mac price points remain the same.
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So, it's lame because it disagrees with your point, right...

He's trolling his Apple FUD again- or is it the old "I don't own any discs mantra"?
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Originally Posted by gary.roberton View Post

Well, I made the switch a couple of weeks ago - I went from PC to Mac. I was so sick of PCs and security updates etc. So I bought a shiny new 24" iMac and have enjoyed every minute of using it. I know Apple announced these new iMacs today and there are pros and cons to each of them (glossy screen this, no blu-ray that, only four USB, etc.) but I don't care. I just love having a Mac. You'll never be able to please all the people all the time, and I am going to resist saying 'I wish I had waited', because in truth I'm glad I didn't (as I would have only been able to afford the 21.5"), I am glad I got a Mac when I did, in fact I am just glad I got a Mac!

The 24" iMac is still a great Mac. In fact only the 27 is really superior to your computer as the 21.5 inch is smaller and won't deliver any picture quality over what you have now. Enjoy it and welcome to the forum!

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Except nobody is saying that.

What's being said is that, while Blu-ray is obviously technically superior to any download option currently available, PQ may not be sufficient to trump convenience.

People are being conditioned to watch video on laptop screen via Hulu and their ilk, a lot of people have on demand (in reasonably decent HD) available on their cable subscription.

Anyone arguing for the eventual dominance of online music sales wasn't predicating it on something like "High bit CDs suck" or "they cost too much", they were simply reading the writing on the wall. Anyone saying "but high bit CDs sound so much better, crappy MP3s will never beat that" were just missing the point.

There's a place for both IMO. I don't need EVERYTHING I watch to be in 1080p high bitrate video so there's a need for my HD DVD/Blu-ray player. There's a lot of things that are just better in lower rez. I like sports in 720p/60 when available and for sitcoms 720 rez is fine as you're never really seeing a wide picture or a lot of depth of field.
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Hi. jfanning, this is my point. Point, this is jfanning. I dont' believe you've met.

You were citing rate of growth outstripping downloads as evidence of Blu-ray's eventual dominance. I was pointing out that rate of growth is pretty misleading is you don't take into account installed user base.

Somehow you managed to get that backwards and end up agreeing with me.

well you just made my point.

The install base for blu-ray is higher than downloads, so that means when blu-ray has a 66% growth, and downloads an %18 one, then blu-ray is growing a lot faster than downloads, and downloads will not be able to catch up until blu-ray starts decreasing...
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Not from what I've seen in forums. The vast majority demand matte, some say that they see the merits of both, and some say that they prefer glossy. But you would be surprised by the number of people I've seen who say that they will not buy a 13" MBP or an iMac with the super-glossy display. Any display that my parakeet keeps on pecking at is one that's to reflective to see the beautiful LED screen properly.

Came across a interesting article,

http://www.physorg.com/news175257550.html


Basically Americans have a high rate of impulsive purchase behavior (low PDB or self control) and 80% of luxury goods are impulsive buys. Hmmm...Apple Store placement in trendy locations? All that cheap credit for so many years?

So Apple and other consumer computer makers are exploiting this and the "oh shiny" effect of glossy screens.

It's us people online who carefully review reports and/or have negative experience with glossy screens and reflections/glare that are fuming about the lack of matte screen options.


According to a poll Leveno and Ars Tech reported, over 80% of Leveno's business customers prefer matte screens over glossy.

Business people tend to be high in the self control department and Apple is a consumer products company, catering to people with low self control/early computer users with little experience. Leveno is concerned with the business computer market.

At least Apple still has the 15" MacBook Pro matte option, you can thank me and others online for that effort. Apple has always treated it's business customers like crap anyway.


If Apple only got it's head out of it's ass and concerned itself itself with the needs of both consumer and business/pro users they would own the world.

Not many men want a giant white 27" computer sitting on their office desk.

Silver sure, black sure. But not white. Looks to feminine.

But then again, perhaps Apple doesn't want a bunch of serious business people dulling the childlike impulsive carefree attitude Apple Stores seem to inflict.


Windows 7, bar any major problems, is going to seriously kick Apple's ass. I can feel it.

Bootcamp is going to come back to bite Apple in the ass too, as all those Mac labs are going to be switched to Windows 7 as the matte screen PC computers trickle in.

Apple is simply not giving the public the computers they want to buy. U.S. consumers are going to one day realize the free money trip is over, if they already have with their underwater mortgages and rising unemployment rates.

Conservatism is up, impulsiveness is going down. It's only the delusional who spend their last few grand on a Mac thinking it's going to make them money who are being fooled.

I've seen this before, Apple is going to wish it catered better to the non-impulsive market.


**Correction. New 27" iMac has a silver (not white backing) which gives it a better, more mature look. Still glossy, which causes problems with even more glare due to it's larger size.
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Why oh why did they not put a VESA mount on the 21.5?

Didn't Apple read my post where I explained in complete detail that I want it to fit on the kitchen counter under the top cabinets?

I guess I'm going to have to retrofit a VESA onto my iMac.

I was hoping but... oh well.

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See my post above. You're a ***** idiot.

Watch it. Teckstud can get away with the name calling on here in the same the way society lets the mentally challenged get away with stuff, but we can’t.
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Look great. Why are people so hung up on the cost of a mac vs. pc. I never hear Chevy owners complain about the high price of a Lexus and how Lexus owners are getting ripped off, etc.

Anyways, even if you end up spending $700 more for the low end iMac over a POS PC for something you use everyday like your computer (say for the next 4 years), paying $15 a month extra is a small amount for the reliability of OS X and the overall superior Mac experience.

LOL excpet your analogy sucks! A very high percentage of parts in a Chevy are vastly different and in many cases inferior to that in a Lexus. What people on here complain about is that to buy the EXACT same hardware, except the "case", but the actual components, usually cost much less when building a pc. Not sure why you would call the pc a POS, since it has the exact same components, and in many cases much better (Lexus parts) compared to its mac counterpart.
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People are being conditioned to watch video on laptop screen via Hulu and their ilk, a lot of people have on demand (in reasonably decent HD) available on their cable subscription.

a lot of people? You are aware that most of the world can not access Hulu, and most of the world does not have on demand (or can access it if they wanted it) HD cable?

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Anyone arguing for the eventual dominance of online music sales wasn't predicating it on something like "High bit CDs suck" or "they cost too much", they were simply reading the writing on the wall. Anyone saying "but high bit CDs sound so much better, crappy MP3s will never beat that" were just missing the point.

I have some SACD as well, and they do sound better than the iTunes downloads
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And Mac sales are growing at a faster rate than PCs. It follows that Macs will inevitably come to dominate the computer market.

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See my post above. You're a ****** idiot.

You make posts like that and I'm the idiot?
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I bought the first iteration of the black/silver iMac at 20". I have a Blu-Ray player with my home cinema system. WHatever the arguments regarding the standard of the iTunes HD offerings or how much you could appreciate a BR disc on even the 27" iMac the reason I'd want the option is so I can play my existing BR discs on my computer if someone is using the TV. I don't want to have to buy on DVD because Apple doesn't support it or download it for the same reason.

Obviously if Apple TV offered a PVR service and iTunes an extensive, varied film library I might bear it (I discuss this in another thread) but at present all my film purchases are on hard copy and if there's a BR option I choose that.

How long before i5 or i7 make their way onto the 21"? Not sure my desk could hold the 27"
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Watch it. Teckstud can get away with the name calling on here in the same the way society lets the mentally challenged get away with stuff, but we can’t.

As if you don't? GMAFB
fyi- I rarely resort to such a tactic as namecalling.
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Wires are cheap, secure and reliable.
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Ha. My cat would disagree on the reliability issue.
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Weird. They seem to charge me $8.47 a month for it. Can you link me to where it is free so I can try and get my bill reduced?

The charge is for disc rentals. The streaming is free.
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LOL excpet your analogy sucks! A very high percentage of parts in a Chevy are vastly different and in many cases inferior to that in a Lexus. What people on here complain about is that to buy the EXACT same hardware, except the "case", but the actual components, usually cost much less when building a pc. Not sure why you would call the pc a POS, since it has the exact same components, and in many cases much better (Lexus parts) compared to its mac counterpart.

Apparently the "case" includes LED backlit IPS monitors, slot loading drives, backlit keyboards, multitouch trackpads (and now mice lol), ambient light sensors, custom designed motherboards, hard drive drop sensors, etc. There are many components that add to the cost of a mac that don't show up on a comparison sheet.
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As if you don't? GMAFB
fyi- I rarely resort to such a tactic as namecalling.

But you are really annoying, especially today.

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The charge is for disc rentals. The streaming is free.

So where can he get the Netflix streaming for free so he can cancel his disc rentals?


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Apparently the "case" includes LED backlit IPS monitors, slot loading drives, backlit keyboards, multitouch trackpads (and now mice lol), ambient light sensors, custom designed motherboards, hard drive drop sensors, etc. There are many components that add to the cost of a mac that don't show up on a comparison sheet.

Lets not forget the cost of going green, the support you get from the Apple, the 7 hour battery that is actually rated for 7 hours with WiFi on and in use, et cetera.
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And for a certain segment of the viewing population PQ wins out over convenience, for sure. For that matter, it wins out for me-- I don't much care for the quality of dl video. OTOH, I find myself doing a lot of casual movie viewing on Netflix Watch It Now-- if the catalogue were deeper, I would probably watch the majority of my movies that way, and reserve the big screen high quality treatment for specific films that I know to be visually compelling.

But I question how large this segment is, particularly when you consider the fact that of the movies released each year, only a handful are image intensive. Most are the kind of romantic comedies and dramas that don't require much in the way of PQ to work.

I guess the question is, how good is good enough? In the case of audio, we discovered that the answer was "not that good, actually." My suspicion is is that, even at the current semi-mediocre reproduction levels, video downloads are good enough.

I also suspect that this is a generational thing, with older, more affluent consumers opting for big screens and blu-ray, with younger people being perfectly content with downloads and laptops.

It's a growing segment for high def. Until you can watch the Netflix on a big screen without going, "UGH!", then it won't be good enough for more than a few, and growing number of people. Netflix is a supplement for people with big screens, not the only source. And screen size is continuing to grow as they get cheaper. It used to be that 42" was big, now it's 58". 42" is average.

The problem is that too many people sit too far from the screen to get the full effect of HD. But as those screen sizes get bigger, it will become more obvious. People I know in apartments who were telling me that they had little room for their 42" two years ago are moving up to bigger screens now.

Sports are a big inducer of this as well.
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You make posts like that and I'm the idiot?

for such a sarcastic person you'd think you'd be able to pick up on this.

Can't we just have a "techstud complains about everything" forum and let people who want to see every other post as another familiar complaint/antagonistic remark just go there for (entertainment?) value?
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Does anyone know if that Mac clone maker sells Matte screens?
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Nice to see the back of the iMac no longer resembles a cheap ass Dell- that's definite plus.
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for such a sarcastic person you'd think you'd be able to pick up on this.

Can't we just have a "techstud complains about everything" forum and let people who want to see every other post as another familiar complaint/antagonistic remark just go there for (entertainment?) value?

I have brought real issues up today- blu- ray, matte, etc. See my first post. We are all discussing these topics back and forth. No complaints but real issues. What's your problem?
His comment if you read it directly appears literal not sarcastic. He should have added an emoticon or worded it differently. I can't help if he can't write.
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Not in my life time, and not in my childrens life time. Downloads may be the next big thing, but it will be a while away

Same here. My kid thinks buying a movie is something we get from the store and watch when we get home. My kid things downloading is that free low quality thing via YouTube.

Downloads? Oh, you mean watch it on the tiny computer screen? Or buy an AppleTV and only get movies from Apple because it does not work with any other store? No thanks.
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I would love to go back to using a mac but:

Imac 27" w/4850 - $3300 (NZD)
Equivalent PC - $1862 (NZD)
Imac 21" - $2000 (NZD)
Equivalent PC - $1300 (NZD) (also has quad not dual core)

Seems hard to justify a 27" Imac when I can have a pc build to match its specs and a second machine with the specs of the 21" for $3162. Or replace the lowly 4850 for a Gt280, double the ram and hb space - for an extra 400-500 (NZD) So $2362 and use the $1000 for a trip to Fiji (or buy some crappy pc software).

I love Apples integration between hardware and software and osx is amazing, but build quality isn't as much better than any other pc these days, components are no more reliable - Both consequences of trying to compete on price, and more than allowable if the price reflected this. I would happily pay an extra 500-700 dollars premium to have a mac, honestly I would. But when I can build a superior computer and have almost $1000 left over it's very hard to go Mac

For the time being, I think I'll just cherish the time I spend working on my work Mac
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I have brought real issues up today- blu- ray, matte, etc. See my first post. We are all discussing these topics back and forth. No complaints but real issues. What's your problem?
His comment if you read it directly appears literal not sarcastic. He should have added an emoticon or worded it differently. I can't help if he can't write.



edit: is it his fault if you can't read?

And yes, you are tackling 'real' issues, but in a) the wrong thread and b) every day and c) by posting the same thing and by d) being intentionally antagonistic. Which is fine. I'm just posting about the 'real' issue of you flooding the board with "omg no bluray" comments
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That surprised me, too. It sounds like IPS is on the 21” model, too, but I really want that confirmed as it sounds too good to be true. Also looking to see how the mDP input functions.

From Apple's tech spec page:

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Built-in 21.5-inch (viewable) or 27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy widescreen TFT active-matrix liquid crystal display with IPS technology

Reads like it's for both.


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It seems everyone I know with BRD also do downloads, and people without BRDs also do downloads. I’m not betting against Blu-ray in the living room as it’s the best consumer option for audio and video, but that is for the living room. Are you betting that Apple adds Blu-ray support and BRD options to their lineup? I think there focus on their digital download service and will not add the optical drive option at all, and may add the OS support for BR media but only after they feel they have gotten a firm hold of digital media over Blu-ray media, even though Blu-ray will be the ideal solution for your home entertainment center for many years to come.

know a lot of people from Janet's schools over the years. few are techie people, and few do downloads. Every one of my friends who are more techie have B-R, and some do download. Of the school friends, more have B-R than do downloads.

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That is true, but I think that the real history of the iTMS success is the convenience that brought in certain areas that made the other caveats inconsequential. I think that for video convenience will also win out with ‘good enough” viewing.

Convenience is also why CD made it. Same for DVD. B-R doesn't offer more than they do, but more people are buying home theaters all the time. It's the largest part of the consumer electronics purchasing plans these days for large systems.

While PC people may only want to pay a few hundred for their PC's, the same people are paying thousands for home theater. And they're buying B-R to go with it.
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Except if you don't live in the US...

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So where can he get the Netflix streaming for free so he can cancel his disc rentals?

Netflix streaming is free with monthly membership, even 1 disc at a time.
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I wish they had kept the 24" 16:10 option. 16 x 9 is great for watching movies, but for office type work, design/development stuff I think the 16 x 10 aspect ratio is slightly better, and 24" is a really good size on a desk.
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a lot of people? You are aware that most of the world can not access Hulu, and most of the world does not have on demand (or can access it if they wanted it) HD cable?

Dont be obtuse. He didnt say the majority of the worlds people, he said a lot of people.

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Hulu was watched at least once by 38 million people in July, whereas Time Warner Cable was viewed by some 34 million souls.
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-...e-warner-cable



PS: Are you aware that most of the world doesnt have an optical disc player of any kind?

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I have some SACD as well, and they do sound better than the iTunes downloads

Yeah, they do, but you missed his point, again. Convenience often wins out over quality when it comes to media formats. The same seems to be happening here. I love watching certain things on Blu-ray but I watch a lot more Hulu and other downloads, on-demand and streaming sources. I dont even torrent anymore if its on Hulu because it is so convenient. 480p on Hulu on a 13 MBP is more than "good enough.
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;-) that, and the fact that BR is niche. I honestly think BR are pretty much DOA as far as the general public goes. When BR is the only option out there Macs may include it, but my feeling is that by that time optical media will be as common as tape drives.

If you read this article: http://www.dvdtown.com/news/blu-ray-...ard-times/7098
You will see how Blu-ray DVD sales are increasing greatly this year and with over 3 million more BR players being sold...this totals up to a lot of players/people buying even more BR DVDs.
I still want a BR in my Mac because I can see the difference in quality even on my 23" Cinema Screen and it also means I wouldn't have to duplicate my hardware. I can do my photography editing with Aperture and the 27" would help with me seeing even more shots at once. So if iMac does come out with the matte screen and Blu-ray then I would buy the 27" version. Ok, it seems like I am a minority but I have a long list of BR movies to buy when I eventually get the player. I have been patient now for at least a year so another won't make much difference.
As far as downloads go - I use Netflix and get the DVD because I want all the extras. DLs may be fine for quick viewing but it's the behind the scenes and interviews I want. Also, BR offers more of this with most of it in HD. One last point--if BR were in the iMac or Mac Pro then I would think that incorporating BR data disk burning would be included. A 50GB disk makes sense with all the data that needs backup these days. Sure, drives may be lower in cost per GB now buy eventually all media comes down in price the more it's produced. I remember when the Apple store sold a blank DVD for $20 when they first had the superdrive.
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I have brought real issues up today- blu- ray, matte, etc. See my first post. We are all discussing these topics back and forth. No complaints but real issues. What's your problem?
His comment if you read it directly appears literal not sarcastic. He should have added an emoticon or worded it differently. I can't help if he can't write.

It was clearly a sarcastic remark, but it didn't make a solid point anyway. Apple doesn't need to dominate computer market share to make a ton of cash and similarly Blu-ray doesn't need to dominate the movie market for it to be a worthwhile addition (as an option) to the Mac lineup.

I feel that some people will defend Apple in everything they do, but my question would be as follows:

Some seemingly reliable rumors indicated that Blu-ray was in the works for this refresh. How would everyones arguments change if Blu-ray was included. Would it still be irrelevant? And for the mac haters, would it become a non-issue?
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Even more disturbing is the fact that if I bought this computer in the states it would cost me $2667 (NZD),$733 difference......
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PS: Are you aware that most of the world doesn’t have an optical disc player of any kind?


Yeah, they do, but you missed his point, again. Convenience often wins out over quality when it comes to media formats. The same seems to be happening here. I love watching certain things on Blu-ray but I watch a lot more Hulu and other downloads, on-demand and streaming sources. I don’t even torrent anymore if it’s on Hulu because it is so convenient. 480p on Hulu on a 13” MBP is more than "good enough”.

PS: Are you aware that most of the world doesn’t have a computer of any kind?

Stop wasting the space with your stupid graohics . Just read this:

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/blu-ray-...ard-times/7098
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Base: £649, Magic Mouse £55, Wired KB £28, iWork £54 -> £786 (+ monitor (£200) TN)
2.53GHz, 320GB, 4GB, 9400M

You can get a decent Logitech Bluetooth mouse (the m555b) for about £30 and the Dell 2209WA 22" IPS for under £200.

I'd say these iMac models are a decent improvement but starting the quads at £1600 is not a huge improvement when the last generation Mac Pro started at £1500. Fair enough the 27" screen is huge but who really needs a screen that size, especially when you can't adjust it? No height adjustment, swivel or tilt and only glossy.

I might actually make my peace with the chin on this model. I still prefer the Cinema design but this isn't bad.

The 21.5" ones should have been dual core and the 27" both quads, Core i5 on the lower, Core i7 on the upper.

I also don't care about Blu-Ray. Imagine the price they would charge for the iMac with those. You can get an external anyway or standalone and plug it in via the video input. A PS3 is only $250, which is not much if you are paying so much for a computer - just get the base model and use the PS3 for games/Blu-Ray.

My preference is still the Mini because it lets me use my own superior (and cheaper) display. If they offered the nice Core i5 in a different package, I'd find it interesting but not in this package.
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