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post #41 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I thin you are correct and therefore I will wait. Funny the iMac is begining to look like an actual TV itself.

I'm glad you mentioned that....

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"Mini DisplayPort for video input and output (adapters sold separately);"

Is this (above) a new feature? Because for the longest time I though my wife's 24" iMac would have made a PERFECT 'TV' that I could watch while she wasn't using it. (or a college kid etc). The only thing I was always upset about was the fact that the flat panel iMacs only did 'video out' and their wasn't a simple way to have the iMac accept the signal from our HDMI cable boxes (yea with xtra hardware I could but I said simple (and cheap/free).

This is really great news cause I can get 1 HD cable box have it route to a HDMI switcher (remote operated) and have mine and my wife's (future) iMacs both connected to the HDMI switch.

This way whoever isn't using their system can do double duty as the computer room TV.

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post #42 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:47am
Anyone notice the swank new aluminum 3-button remote option when you BTO at the store?
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post #43 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:47am
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Yah, the only thing missing is HDMI in.

Can you get that anywhere? I haven't seen a single tuner with that capability, I was looking for one earlier this year with no luck. It seems that they don't want us recording their precious HD programming.
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post #44 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:48am
Does anyone know if the hard drive is user replaceable?
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post #45 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:48am
not a fan of 16:9 sorry
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post #46 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:48am
Utterly underwhelming.
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post #47 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

27" is the same size as my parents TV, and has a larger viewable area for movies due to the aspect ratio. If I were in a different situation, I would consider for a secondary TV/media center. Would be nice if they built in a tuner or at least video in.

Well, if you read carefully: the 27" model does have video in!
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post #48 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

Obv. they mean from the iTunes store. Technically 720p is HD.

edit: flame if you want, but a 27" screen will not significantly benefit from 1080p over 720p. Actually I doubt anyone could tell the difference.

I know that isn't the only reason for BRD though.

Sitting at 2 foot away, or 10 feet away?

Distance is a key component of perceiving HD resolutions.

At 2 foot, you could tell the difference between iTunes store 720p and BluRay 1080p.

I'm looking at the 21.5" with discrete graphics right now for myself. The IPS screen is a major plus point over Mac Mini + third party monitor. I figure I'll use the computer for four years. Tempted to get the 27", but the money ramps up and is hard to justify when I need a new kitchen. If I had got a bonus earlier this year then yes, I might even get the top of the range. Darn recession.
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post #49 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:51am
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Well, if you read carefully: the 27" model does have video in!

I'm seeing that now. Intriguing to say the least.
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post #50 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by majortom1981 View Post

Why no core 2 quad or core i5 options on the smaller imacs?

Too small an enclosure for the TDP?


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Mini DisplayPort for video input and output (adapters sold separately);"

That is only for the 27.
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post #51 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:52am
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Does anyone know if the hard drive is user replaceable?

I wouldn't bet on it.
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post #52 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:53am
Damn. I was really hoping apple would offer a descret video at under 1500$. Oh well,it's a hackintosh for me then.
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post #53 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:54am
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My cousin just bought an iMac last week. Does Apple have a 14-day window where he could bring
back the iMac he bought for a new one?

I believe so. Check your receipt for "return date", or call the Apple store.
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post #54 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:54am
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Don't you have a Wacom Intuos 3 or 4 for the graphics work?

Nope, I am mainly in Final Cut Pro so one wouldn't be much use there I expect ... Are they good? I may be tempted for PS work.
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post #55 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:55am
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Yah, the only thing missing is HDMI in.

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27" is the same size as my parents TV, and has a larger viewable area for movies due to the aspect ratio. If I were in a different situation, I would consider for a secondary TV/media center. Would be nice if they built in a tuner or at least video in.

Might wanna re-read those specs..

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Mini DisplayPort output with support for DVI, dual-link DVI, and VGA video connections via adapter 4

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Mini DisplayPort for video input and output (adapters sold separately);



edit: As pointed out to me just a few posts up... this feature seems to be reserved for the 27" (which is fine by me).
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post #56 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:56am
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not a fan of 16:9 sorry

What is your preference?
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post #57 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:58am
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Nope, I am mainly in Final Cut Pro so one wouldn't be much use there I expect ... Are they good? I may be tempted for PS work.

I use one for PS CS4 and it beats the mouse by a mile. I highly recommend one of the new Intuos 4 models. I don't use it for Final Cut however.
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post #58 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:58am
That 27" panel with 2560x1440 resolution is very interesting.

I am not aware of any LCD monitors that use this display. Has anyone seen one?
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post #59 of 852
10/20/09 at 9:59am
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Obv. they mean from the iTunes store. Technically 720p is HD.

edit: flame if you want, but a 27" screen will not significantly benefit from 1080p over 720p. Actually I doubt anyone could tell the difference.

I know that isn't the only reason for BRD though.

From a distance you would be right. But sitting at normal computing distance, there would be a difference. However, that is assuming you had a high quality source. iTunes 720p HD is so low quality that it might as well be upscaled DVD. A BluRay, even at 720p would look vastly superior. Hell, an iTunes movie trailer at 720p typically looks far superior to the crap that they sell in the movie store.
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post #60 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:00am
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Utterly underwhelming.

So was you post.

I think they look great and are a fantastic update.
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post #61 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:01am
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I wouldn't bet on it.

Why do you say that? There isn't much room in the case for them to hide it away, and very little reason for them to do that. I would be shocked if the HD wasn't removable.
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post #62 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:01am
I am in the Apple Store reporting to you live from 5 th Avenue at 1 pm. Nothing is here yet to look at. There is a wall to wall curtain. I've been told that they are unboxing things as I type. A class is underway and yes they are still utilizing the old gorgeous matte cinema display so that everyone can view it from all angles.
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post #63 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:02am
I'm looking to pull the trigger on a 27" w/ a QuadCore processor. The kids will be getting my current 2.4 ghz iMac 24".

Is the i7 worth the $200 upgrade on the i5? I'm hoping for speed gains in video encoding mostly, but general speed gains are nice as well.

Thanks!
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post #64 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:03am
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Most people prefer the glossy option and it sells better in stores

Not from what I've seen in forums. The vast majority demand matte, some say that they see the merits of both, and some say that they prefer glossy. But you would be surprised by the number of people I've seen who say that they will not buy a 13" MBP or an iMac with the super-glossy display. Any display that my parakeet keeps on pecking at is one that's to reflective to see the beautiful LED screen properly.
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post #65 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:04am
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Why do you say that? There isn't much room in the case for them to hide it away, and very little reason for them to do that. I would be shocked if the HD wasn't removable.

Prepare to be shocked, because it doesn't appear to be any different than the current iMac. You gotta completely disassemble the thing to get to the HDD.
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post #66 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:04am
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Utterly underwhelming.

16:9 and no HDMI?
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post #67 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:04am
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Damn. I was really hoping apple would offer a descret video at under 1500$. Oh well,it's a hackintosh for me then.

To me, that is the big story. Once again the iMac is hobbled by its GPU.

Remember those financials Apple released yesterday, know why they were so good? Because Apple still pulls the same BS. Do you want the best video card available in a iMac? Then you have the buy the largest, most expensive model. No 4850 on the smaller machine. There no technical reason for this unless you consider maintaining Apple's huge profits a technical reason.

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post #68 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:07am
Screens are 1080P & 27" is better then 1080P.

Watch the video.

http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#large
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post #69 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:07am
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From a distance you would be right. But sitting at normal computing distance, there would be a difference. However, that is assuming you had a high quality source. iTunes 720p HD is so low quality that it might as well be upscaled DVD. A BluRay, even at 720p would look vastly superior. Hell, an iTunes movie trailer at 720p typically looks far superior to the crap that they sell in the movie store.

While technically correct on most points I would disagree on the iTunes HD rentals being little better than upscaled DVD. I can see a hell of a difference on a 60" Sony HD TV.

On a related issue: Some people (I am not saying you did this) check out HD rental movies' previews on iTunes with ATV and are horrified at the quality. I did this at first but it turns out that some previews are SD even for HD movies. I don't know if they screw up the links at Apple's end or they don't bother making HD previews available for all HD movies... whichever, it is pretty silly. All HD movies should have HD previews in the rental section.
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post #70 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:07am
I stopped into the Clarendon store just now. All the employees were hovered around the display laptops checking out the online apple store like the rest of us. They had none of the new hardware in the store yet, and said to check back this weekend.
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post #71 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:08am
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What is your preference?

I'll guess 2.39:1... clearly the man works all day on SUPER LONG spreadsheets that are only 10 rows tall!
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post #72 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:09am
I'd take one of those 27" iMac screens in matte as an external display. Are the displays ever going to be updated again or are we stuck with 24" glossy and 30" obsolete??? it would be nice to have an external apple matte screen display option sometime before my mini-display port crippled mac book pro is obsolete.
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10/20/09 at 10:10am
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I use one for PS CS4 and it beats the mouse by a mile. I highly recommend one of the new Intuos 4 models. I don't use it for Final Cut however.

Thanks for the tip
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post #74 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:11am
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Thanks for the tip

Check 'em out here: http://www.wacom.com/intuos/
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10/20/09 at 10:11am
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To me, that is the big story. Once again the iMac is hobbled by its GPU.

Remember those financials Apple released yesterday, know why they were so good? Because Apple still pulls the same BS. Do you want the best video card available in a iMac? Then you have the buy the largest, most expensive model. No 4850 on the smaller machine. There no technical reason for this unless you consider maintaining Apple's huge profits a technical reason.

-kpluck

Welcome to life. Want the best stereo option available for your new car? You better upgrade to the larger engine and an automatic transmission (yuck). It is frustrating, but it definitely isn't limited to Apple. This wouldn't be a major problem for me as if I were going to get an iMac it would be the 27" with the BTO i7 option.
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10/20/09 at 10:12am
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Not from what I've seen in forums. The vast majority demand matte...

That's not really a reliable indicator. As well as forums being self selecting, how often do people who are happy with their choices/purchases bother to post that vs those who are dissatisfied? Much less frequently. A more reliable indicator is Apple's customer satisfaction ratings, which are quite high.

(I mean, if, for example, you look on askapatient.com and take that as an indicator of the effectiveness of various drugs, you would conclude that all drugs are worthless or will just make you worse, which might be the case for some drugs, but not at as high a level as that site would indicate.)
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10/20/09 at 10:13am
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Damn. I was really hoping apple would offer a descret video at under 1500$. Oh well,it's a hackintosh for me then.

for an extra $300 you get better video and a better HD. the price difference is small enough that a lot of people would just get both if there were 3 options instead of 2.

i just checked the Dell site and the prices are close enough to make me buy an iMac instead of a Dell if i was in the market for one now. even dell is using laptop CPU's on a lot of their models now.
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10/20/09 at 10:13am
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No Blu iMac- WTF?
Yet they state it's "Perfect for HD video????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm starting to wonder if blu ray is even going to survive in the long run. I was reading today that overall DVD sales including Blu ray dropped 13.9%. They dropped another 13.5% the first six months of 2009. This happening while digital distribution keeps rising.

Everyone thought when HD-DVD died Blu Ray would jump and it hasn't, in fact numbers keep falling. Most people don't seem interested.
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post #79 of 852
10/20/09 at 10:14am
They don't need to be cheaper - they're better! DUH! These are gorgeous and will sell like CRAZY!
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10/20/09 at 10:15am
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I'll guess 2.39:1... clearly the man works all day on SUPER LONG spreadsheets that are only 10 rows tall!

He should stop using 100 pixel high fonts then.

1920x1080 at 21.5" is better in many ways that 1680x1050 at 20" or 22", which are probably the most common monitor sizes.

Don't think of it as losing vertical resolution from 1920x1200.

The 27" 2560x1440 is lovely. The price is less so! The Core i7 has hyper threading, so it should appear as 8 cores, but I don't know if Snow Leopard uses this. I hope Apple replaced their 24" Cinema Display with a 27" Cinema Display with these specs.
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