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post #81 of 129
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

Err, because I've tried their track pad on their MacBookPro vs. the bad reviews and someone here mentioning that the Wacom Bamboo pad stinks?

So the trackpad on a MBP signals to you that this mouse is awesome? Go figure.
post #82 of 129
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

So the trackpad on a MBP signals to you that this mouse is awesome? Go figure.

And what signals to you that it isn't?

BTW, it does have middle click/dashboard capability right?
post #83 of 129
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Originally Posted by cwfrederick View Post

they are clearly not fans of apple, or even curious, and are only here to start fights and spread FUD.

I wish people would stop using the word "FUD". It used to actually mean something, but now everyone uses it incorrectly. Anyone who speaks ill of Apple is now spreading FUD. A Microsoft exec makes a comment and they're spreading FUD. A tech review doesn't praise an Apple product and they're spreading FUD. Learn what the acronym means or quit using it.

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its not like we go to microsoft fan sites (if there are any) and point out how crappy and unoriginal their products are.

And how pathetic is it that you have to fall back on considering anyone who says anything negative about Apple a Microsoft fanboy. Fanboyism on either side is ridiculous. Apple makes some pretty crappy products (AppleTV, Mac Mini, Mighty Mouse) just like Microsoft. Get over it.
post #84 of 129
I bought my magic mouse yesterday. I can't believe it is soooo good. Right now I am licking it. Tonight I am going to sleep with it.
post #85 of 129
I was going to buy one of these for my Macbook, but it's way too expensive. At £50 it's almost as much as an iPod shuffle. Using a touchpad for 21.5 - 27" screens doesn't seem as practical as on a mouse though the option would be welcomed. I'd probably just get it with a (possible) future iMac purchase.

Slightly off-topic: I assume the video out means you can hook up games consoles to the 27" iMac without any problems?
post #86 of 129
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Originally Posted by buceta View Post

I bought my magic mouse yesterday. I can't believe it is soooo good. Right now I am licking it. Tonight I am going to sleep with it.

Remember: it's not a gerbil.
post #87 of 129
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Originally Posted by dyp View Post

Been waiting for the same combo unit. BT keyboard with a touchpad. Search and searched but can't come up with one.

I don't know what they are worth, but here are keyboards with trackpads: Touchpad Keyboards
post #88 of 129
flick, flick, touch, touch, lol i can imagine the tv ad for this
post #89 of 129
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Originally Posted by freelander51 View Post

Isn't the plural of mouse => mice ?

No. It is 'mouses'.

Much like the NHL team from Toronto is called the Toronto Maple 'Leafs', not 'Leaves' as some may say is more grammatically correct.

'Mouses' related to computer devices is perfectly acceptable as it is in this use, a proper noun.
post #90 of 129
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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

It does not however currently support four-fingered Expose (up/down) or app switching (left/right) shortcuts, and pinch rotation or pinch zooming.


this is a deal breaker for me

4-fingered Expose. Wow, you want it to be as big as a mouse pad? Come on, this is so much better than the "mighty mouse" and people still complain. Jeez. There's something called a trackpad for a reason.
post #91 of 129
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Originally Posted by Evertype View Post

And that's why I won't buy one. Sorry, Steve, but I don't want a battery-operated mouse. Batteries run out. Batteries are expensive. Charging rechargeables is an annoyance. I had wireless Mighty Mice and I got rid of them in favour of the wired.

Needs a re-think, alas.

Typical for apple, it might 'wreck' the styling having the little chord coming out of it??

Typical also is the sizing. I wish that they made TWO sizes of the mouse as well. My hand cramps up once in a while with my mighty mouse but my Logitech at work which I use a LOT more is larger (particularly wider) and I NEVER have problems.

Regular and large would be nice, but then I guess it might be a nightmare for the average user buying one online asking the question, "What's the difference?"
post #92 of 129
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Originally Posted by ediedi View Post

Sadly, Engadget's hands-on confirms having to lift the left finger to achieve right click. What a waste of a beautiful design.

Agreed. Absolute deal-breaker. I don't often play FPSs, but when I do I want them to work right.

Guess I'll be sticking with my trusty Rocketfish.
post #93 of 129
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Originally Posted by ediedi
Sadly, Engadget's hands-on confirms having to lift the left finger to achieve right click. What a waste of a beautiful design.


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Originally Posted by LtKaffee View Post

Agreed. Absolute deal-breaker. I don't often play FPSs, but when I do I want them to work right.

Guess I'll be sticking with my trusty Rocketfish.

Form over function - the Jony/Stevey connection strikes yet again.
post #94 of 129
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Originally Posted by buceta View Post

I bought my magic mouse yesterday. I can't believe it is soooo good. Right now I am licking it. Tonight I am going to sleep with it.

Poor thing- isn't there any cure for Macorexia?
post #95 of 129
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

And what signals to you that it isn't?

BTW, it does have middle click/dashboard capability right?


Don't know- all I'm saying is most importantly in a mouse you need to check:

1.) Ergonomics?

2.) Responsivity?

3.) Durability?

4.) Ease of use?
post #96 of 129
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

a waste of a beautiful mind. Well. in your case, maybe not.

Inappropriate. For shame.
post #97 of 129
Here's my $0.02.

1. Apple makes their mice for the broadest audience possible. Not power users. Not people using specialized software that requires lots of buttons. For your mom - or aunt, or cousin, or some other not-quite computer literate person you know. The Mighty Mouse was an exception, and a failure.

2. I think it's still too early to condemn or praise this new mouse. It has possibilities - especially third-party drivers. Sounds like it uses a real "click", i.e. microswitch, to sense button pushes, so that alleviates some of my fears about resting fingers on the body.

3. Wireless = gets lost easier. If it's not tied down, it can wander off.

4. I still prefer a trackball. I like my pointing device to be in one place. I like not having to provide a movement area or to pick up the pointer for moving across big spaces. The trackpad on my MBP is not too bad and I'd be willing to try out a detached one. But all other trackpads I've used fall short of Apple's built-in ones.

- Jasen.
post #98 of 129
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Keep in mind that AI hasn't actually tested this mouse, so I wouldn't call it a broken deal just yet.

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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

It does not however currently support four-fingered Expose (up/down) or app switching (left/right) shortcuts, and pinch rotation or pinch zooming.


this is a deal breaker for me

I can understand people's qualms with this new Magic Mouse. It is amazing and I'm blown away by the design. Awesome job, Apple. However, my current Mighty Mouse (though dirty as it's little scroll ball gets) has two additional "gestures" that I believe the Magic Mouse is missing. I currently have Expose tied to the scroll ball, so when I hit it, all open windows slide apart. I also have the side "squeeze" buttons on the Mighty Mouse tied to Expose to separate the windows of the current application. This really helps my productivity. When I want to see everything I have open, I just click the little scroll ball and I can quickly switch from one window to another without moving my hand to the keyboard or elsewhere.

Obviously a four-finger swipe isn't very practical, but I'm sure there is another way to add two more clickable areas.

So, if these were added to the Magic Mouse, I believe it's full feature set would be as follows (new features adopted from Mighty Mouse in bold:

-Move Cursor
-Left Click
-Right Click
-Scroll (vertical & horizontal)
-Zoom
-Two-Finger Swipe
-Middle-click (expose all)
-Squeeze (expose app)

Like others have said, maybe Apple will add these in some sort of future update.
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post #99 of 129
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I gather that what you are saying is that you don't have the dexterity to raise you left finger slightly (to disengage a two-finger touch) as you press down on the top right corner .

Now that's a waste of a beautiful hand. And without even seeing it, let alone trying it, thats a waste of a beautiful mind.

Well. in your case, maybe not.

Has nothing to do with dexterity. There are situations where you have to use both left and right click functions at the same time. You cannot do this with the Mighty or Magic mouse.
post #100 of 129
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Originally Posted by MuncyWeb View Post

I can understand people's qualms with this new Magic Mouse. It is amazing and I'm blown away by the design. Awesome job, Apple. However, my current Mighty Mouse (though dirty as it's little scroll ball gets) has two additional "gestures" that I believe the Magic Mouse is missing. I currently have Expose tied to the scroll ball, so when I hit it, all open windows slide apart. I also have the side "squeeze" buttons on the Mighty Mouse tied to Expose to separate the windows of the current application. This really helps my productivity. When I want to see everything I have open, I just click the little scroll ball and I can quickly switch from one window to another without moving my hand to the keyboard or elsewhere.

Obviously a four-finger swipe isn't very practical, but I'm sure there is another way to add two more clickable areas.

So, if these were added to the Magic Mouse, I believe it's full feature set would be as follows (new features adopted from Mighty Mouse in bold:

-Move Cursor
-Left Click
-Right Click
-Scroll (vertical & horizontal)
-Zoom
-Two-Finger Swipe
-Middle-click (expose all)
-Squeeze (expose app)

Like others have said, maybe Apple will add these in some sort of future update.

I agree. if nothing else, with it being able to tell if you have two fingers on the mouse, let there be a two finger click for expose functionality. Its like take a huge steps forward on some things than take steps back on others.
post #101 of 129
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Originally Posted by frugality View Post

hahaha.....there isn't enough real estate to swipe 4 fingers on this mouse, unless you're a 4-year-old. What do you expect?!?

The two-finger up/down is currently unexposed on the Magic Mouse (left/right is used for application actions), and this would be the natural match. I've just tried with my desktop mouse to do the movement and it is quite easy, so I presume it would be on the Magic Mouse too.

Or maybe they could add a three-fingered tap action.
post #102 of 129
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Expose is amazing, and I use it just as much, if not more, than the next guy, but to say it is Apple's innovation is wildly untrue. It has been in the Linux world for a much longer time than it has been in Apple's, although I do understand that people would not know that, seeing as how Linux has barely 1% of the computer market.

You're thinking of Spaces, which indeed has been available in Linux (via the X Windows System) for years and years (indeed pre-dating Linux itself). However Apple did make it work very nicely.

Expose was certainly an Apple innovation, and possible because Apple innovated the accelerated composited desktop in Mac OS 10.2 (that first accelerated Quartz for compositing) which naturally led to Expose in 10.3 when it was refined.
post #103 of 129
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

The two-finger up/down is currently unexposed on the Magic Mouse (left/right is used for application actions), and this would be the natural match. I've just tried with my desktop mouse to do the movement and it is quite easy, so I presume it would be on the Magic Mouse too.

Or maybe they could add a three-fingered tap action.

I like that idea, or perhaps:

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post #104 of 129
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Originally Posted by rnp1 View Post

Come on guys, just set it up with a hot corner for Expose'. I've never seen so many hard- to-pleasers!!!!! If I were Steve, I'd be perplexed! I'm left handed and adapted to the right click after all. Give it a chance! MY!

I don't want to have to skate the mouse pointer all the way across my very large monitor to a corner to get Expose, I want it to work from exactly where I'm at (mostly I want it to return me to where I was originally). I really don't think this is too much to ask, and I don't like seeing a useful feature eliminated. I think its great for people who like hot corners to be able to do that but IMO that is a poor replacement.

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post #105 of 129
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Sounds interesting but I think I'll test drive one before I buy. I didn't care for the mighty mouse so it might be the same deal here.

Anyone love the mighty mouse?

I really like the Mighty Mouse, for everything except having to clean the scrollball. It's great ergonomically for me, though I use it kind of backwards - with my right hand, my primary click is the right side of the mouse (so my hand rests very comfortably on it's side, not having to constanty twist my wrist to lay my hand flat). Then for the secondary click, I move my index finger to the left side.

I like the center click, the side buttons and the feel of the scroll ball - when it's clean. My hand and wrist aren't forced into unnatural positions and stay relaxed through many hours of use. Your mileage may vary.
post #106 of 129
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Looks like JONY Ive has F'd up the mouse yet once again. Now I agree with GAZOOBEE- he must be designing for SJ's spastic finger placement.

Whay has this post not been removed, it is very offensive to disabled people.
post #107 of 129
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Look you little knob, don't mention me in your shitty posts if you are going to ascribe things to me that I never actually said. Mind your manners for once or I'll wash your mouth out with soap.

Why has this post not been removed, is is a Gross Insult regardless of who it is too.

You appear to be running dual standards here.

One user gets banned then this one does not.

Be consistent!
post #108 of 129
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Originally Posted by mgz View Post

I'm curious, what can't you get a mighty mouse to do? I'm a programmer, and after giving the mouse a few days, I now prefer it. The only downside is the ball getting dirty, so I'm looking forward to this new mouse.

The might mouse has left, right, middle click, and scrolling to a fine degree (as long as the ball stays clean). What can't you get it to do?

Admittedly my experience was limited, but I read up on it, headed to the Apple Store, tried several that just seemed not to work as advertised, got an employee to assist me and he couldn't get 'em to function either. So I just put it in a mental bin with the hockey puck and other sucky Apple mice and moved on. Then bought a notebook and Apple mice have not been a part of my life since.

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Originally Posted by ex-Windows-Fanboy View Post

I know it's probably a bridge too far for most users, but I would KILL to have a desktop version of my aluminum MacBook's trackpad. Not a combined keyboard+trackpad, but a standalone trackpad with rubber feet to keep it in place. Three- and four-fingered gestures, pinch, zoom . . . all would be possible.

I'd take either the combo or your suggestion.

Just look at the preference panels as to how many more things you can do with the track pad - plus it would make moving from desktops to notebooks totally seamless.

As for the Wacom Bamboo tablet:
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You don't have to kill anyone. It already exist and this is probably the 100th time the link was posted today.

Well, OK, but....
1. It's big and black and hardly looks like part of an iMac system
2. It's 3rd party (its own issues, not the same gesture as Apple t-pads, disruptive when moving between computers that don't have one, and what about working with Win)
3. It has a stylus to lose (and roommates already lost my last Wacom stylus, plus I never liked using one in the first place - and yes I know this puppy can be finger controlled, but another issue nonetheless.)
4. It adds $70 to the cost, which ain't nada, which an Apple t-pad in the keyboard would include (as an alternate to the current KB/Magic Mouse.

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post #109 of 129
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Originally Posted by rwilliams View Post

Whay has this post not been removed, it is very offensive to disabled people.

Robin- Who mentioned anything about anyone disabled? You're reading way too much into it.
post #110 of 129
I didn't realize at first they hadn't corrected the need to lift one finger off to do a right-click. That is a major cause of frustration and leads to a few accidental clicks. I suppose when you think of how the surface works, they can't really do anything about it.

The surface will only detect where it's being pressed so it can track position and movement. If you click when two fingers are on the mouse, it can't know which finger pressed it. It has to assume the left by default as that's the most common click.

The solution is pretty simple though, you just need a spring on each top corner of the device, whichever side is pressed down the most determines which side you clicked. Anything above 40% in favor of the left spring is left click, otherwise right-click.
post #111 of 129
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Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post

The main reason that I could never use the Mighty Mouse was that it had so much latency that it drove me nuts. I tried several units on a couple of machines, and they all had the same issue. I don't know if this is an inherent issue with Bluetooth, or if it had something to so with the design of the MM itself, but I am curious to see how the new unit compares. I am a bit surprised to see that nobody else has commented on this. I can't wait for the hands-on reviews to start coming in.

I've been having lots of headaches with a bluetooth mighty mouse since moving to snow leopard. The pointer gets laggy and jumps around. I tried a kensington bluethooth mouse and a new logitech m555b (I really like the mouse) and they all behave this way, so it's not the mouse - Its like there is a lot of interference or something, and it wasn't an issue with leopard. I did some googling and found a couple vague references to some problems with interference with the airport wireless, but nothing solid. If I turn off airport it seems to work fine. I'm switching to a wired mouse or a non-bluetooth wireless until this gets sorted out, and since this new one is neither I'm gonna have to pass. I could never get used to having to pick up one finger to click with the other anyway.
post #112 of 129
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Originally Posted by rwilliams View Post

Whay has this post not been removed, it is very offensive to disabled people.

Its more offensive to those with a sense of humour.
post #113 of 129
I think it's looking good. Ahead of the 'clit' mouse, fer sure.

Can't wait to stroke it...



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post #114 of 129
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Has nothing to do with dexterity. There are situations where you have to use both left and right click functions at the same time. You cannot do this with the Mighty or Magic mouse.

Could you refresh me when?
post #115 of 129
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Originally Posted by MuncyWeb View Post

I can understand people's qualms with this new Magic Mouse. It is amazing and I'm blown away by the design. Awesome job, Apple. However, my current Mighty Mouse (though dirty as it's little scroll ball gets) has two additional "gestures" that I believe the Magic Mouse is missing. I currently have Expose tied to the scroll ball, so when I hit it, all open windows slide apart. I also have the side "squeeze" buttons on the Mighty Mouse tied to Expose to separate the windows of the current application. This really helps my productivity. When I want to see everything I have open, I just click the little scroll ball and I can quickly switch from one window to another without moving my hand to the keyboard or elsewhere.

Obviously a four-finger swipe isn't very practical, but I'm sure there is another way to add two more clickable areas.

So, if these were added to the Magic Mouse, I believe it's full feature set would be as follows (new features adopted from Mighty Mouse in bold:

-Move Cursor
-Left Click
-Right Click
-Scroll (vertical & horizontal)
-Zoom
-Two-Finger Swipe
-Middle-click (expose all)
-Squeeze (expose app)

Like others have said, maybe Apple will add these in some sort of future update.

While I would also like to have the extra functionality on the mouse to engage expose/spaces, I suspect that Apple believes that the new expose dock functionality in Snow Leopard frees them from the need to offer additional shortcuts to this functionality (from the mouse).
post #116 of 129
Hey,
Why can't apple take out the touchpad, put it in a box with bluetooth, and then we could have for our desktops or iMacs something that any laptop user would say is superior to a mouse? You would have all the one, two, three and four finger swipes, and all the other good stuff that would be in a very sexy, plain Apple-like aluminium box.
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post #117 of 129
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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

Its more offensive to those with a sense of humour.

and you have one?
post #118 of 129
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

I think it's looking good. Ahead of the 'clit' mouse, fer sure.

Can't wait to stroke it...



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HaHa! Is that clit, doube clit?
post #119 of 129
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Originally Posted by blurpbleepbloop View Post

While I would also like to have the extra functionality on the mouse to engage expose/spaces, I suspect that Apple believes that the new expose dock functionality in Snow Leopard frees them from the need to offer additional shortcuts to this functionality (from the mouse).

I forgot about this expose-dock function. It looks like a good one. However, looking at the steps they show, (click & hold on the application's icon, or click F3 on the keyboard for all apps), neither of these functions beats the speed of clicking the scroll ball or squeezing the Mighty Mouse, if that's how you have it set up to work.
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post #120 of 129
All these workarounds require a keyboard. The point of "squeezing" the sides of the Mighty Mouse is that it doesn't require a hand on the keyboard. Hardly equivalent functionality in my book.

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