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post #41 of 73
I'm sorry but the Google honeymoon is over.

I've had plenty of problems with Gmail's reliability over the last year and so has my girlfriend.

YouTube is an exercise in annoyment now with pop up adds and now forced advertisements preceding the video.

I launch iWork when I need to do some document creation not Google apps. I don't use Blogger anymore and it just catches a bunch of spam.

Picasa looks horried and I didn't even want to install it on my Mac

Google Maps consistently sends me on poor routes I'm beginning to use Microsofts maps instead.

If I look at Google's performance as far as delivering outstanding applications that I really want to use I'd say the importance of Google in my daily life is diminishing. I have little desire to see what they could do to screw up my music.
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post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Good points.

Here's something to add to that perspective.

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As grotesque and incomprehensible as Apple's existence may seem to people content with an affordable PC, the company seems to have taken up residence at a spot in the market that other vendors seem unable to barge into.

Manufacturers of Windows-based PCs can craft higher-end models -- Hewlett-Packard's Voodoo line of desktops and laptops have offered as much style as many Macs. But they can't do much to differentiate the software on those deluxe models -- whether it's Windows Vista or the new Windows 7, shipping Thursday -- from what they ship on the $400 boxes lining mass-market retailers' shelves. Apple won't license Mac OS X to them, and most won't ship the free, open-source Linux operating system on anything bigger than a netbook.

This could be a self-reinforcing trend: As PC builders keep having their profit margins squeezed, they have fewer resources to devote to high-end consumer products, while Apple's focus on the most profitable end of the market leaves it with ever more money to dump into product design. Or buying small islands.


Hey what about Mercedes?

Anyway consumers get something with Apple beside function, reliability we really get class! iMac looks so artistic and beautiful. Owning one really like owning a piece of art. Something we really can't get out of an ugly Dell or HP. I think the majority has spoken we really want the good s***!
post #43 of 73
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I'm sorry but the Google honeymoon is over.

I've had plenty of problems with Gmail's reliability over the last year and so has my girlfriend.

YouTube is an exercise in annoyment now with pop up adds and now forced advertisements preceding the video.

I launch iWork when I need to do some document creation not Google apps. I don't use Blogger anymore and it just catches a bunch of spam.

Picasa looks horried and I didn't even want to install it on my Mac

Google Maps consistently sends me on poor routes I'm beginning to use Microsofts maps instead.

If I look at Google's performance as far as delivering outstanding applications that I really want to use I'd say the importance of Google in my daily life is diminishing. I have little desire to see what they could do to screw up my music.

LMAO!
post #44 of 73
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I'm sorry but the Google honeymoon is over.

I've had plenty of problems with Gmail's reliability over the last year and so has my girlfriend.

YouTube is an exercise in annoyment now with pop up adds and now forced advertisements preceding the video.

I launch iWork when I need to do some document creation not Google apps. I don't use Blogger anymore and it just catches a bunch of spam.

Picasa looks horried and I didn't even want to install it on my Mac

Google Maps consistently sends me on poor routes I'm beginning to use Microsofts maps instead.

If I look at Google's performance as far as delivering outstanding applications that I really want to use I'd say the importance of Google in my daily life is diminishing. I have little desire to see what they could do to screw up my music.


What do you use for search?

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post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by LE Studios View Post

What is gonna be different with Google other than another format of audio that we not ready to migrate to?

Like i said, something like spotify. Also, the labels want competition, they are not too fond of apple running the show.
post #46 of 73
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Your whole post is ridiculous in so many ways...possibly a new world record.
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I was hoping you had the intelligence to understand I was (semi) kidding about, I'm pretty happy today thanks to aapl, not even a bellend such as yourself will get me down

Joking aside, I do not use the web on my laptop as much as I did prior to the iPhone, thats a fact. And as more companies create apps the less inclination I have to pull up the browser.
The web is also a coagulation of god awful technologies that move like molasses. Give me a choice of cocoa & web (as a user) I will take the cocoa any day.
Also, I am a developer who has used most popular web technologies, and I write cocoa/objective c and I can tell you now I will never touch a web technology again in my life if I can. I spent my much of my time in web tech creating frameworks that make the web work more like apple, but ya know, whats the point, I love apples tools, and i gel with their philosophies.
My point is that as a developer and a consumer my preference is for cocoa based app every time.
So why should I care for web technologies on my pocket computer? The answer is I dont much, and less so each time a new app is released. To me an app has become the equivalent of a website, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this shift of thinking.
Now take the fact that the future of computing is in your pocket, and you can see that although I joked "the web is dead" it certainly gives some pause for thought. Least it should if you had any sense.

As an example the facebook iphone app is widely regarded amongst my friends as better that the web version, it's stripped down, refined, comes attached to a camera, and most importantly is in my pocket.
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

the new product is said to be planned for "at least" U.S. users.

So with the quotes around <at least>, you really mean that the world starts and ends on US borders, and no one will be pi*sed because of another service available "only" in the US?
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

What do you use for search?

Google of course

But don't get me wrong I'm not a Google hater by any stretch and Gmail is still the best web email client by far IMO but the more Google takes on the less each of their products seems to grow.

Does anyone really think a Google music service is going to be any better than the plethora of existing services that don't come with iPod ecosystems? I don't really. Google hasn't found a way to monetize many of their tools. YouTube is a sham now. Google was always the company that knew the proper balance between advertising and content and YT shows they are getting desperate to infuse advertising, skewing that delicate balance.
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post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

In the end it will be good or consumers even though we don't want to see Apple challenged, right?

In the end, I doubt anything Google is up to will be good for consumers, or anyone else but themselves.
post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

Mostly mac, but a mixture of both. Everyone still has iTunes for various reasons (mine for developing) , but listening to music for the vast majority of people I know is through Spotify, this happened pretty much overnight.

Why pay for music when you can get it 'free' and with a cleaner user interface! The choice was a simple one for everyone to make.

Also see Lala.com--similar concept though not completely free. A iPhone app is in beta now as well.
post #51 of 73
I don't think Google is going to sell the music themselves. They are just going to perform music-related searches and provide links to places you can buy tracks (including iTunes). They will probably get a cut of sales from the music sellers, just like they get from non-music sponsored links. Does Google even have a system in place for accepting payments from individuals? They would need that if they were indeed selling music themselves.
post #52 of 73
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In the end, I doubt anything Google is up to will be good for consumers, or anyone else but themselves.

Wow - are we in tinfoil hat territory here, or...?
post #53 of 73
I doubt Google will try and face iTunes head on. An effort that incorporates search and music (or even music discovery) is more likely. The record companies will love having google advertise music tailored for each user. Now Google will know what I'm looking for, what I enjoy watching, where I want to go and what I want to listen to. Yikes.

Apple should be as wary of Google as Microsoft. I just wish someone there learnt how to design a nice looking UI, instead of people who thought XP looked good.
post #54 of 73
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Wow - are we in tinfoil hat territory here, or...?

Oh, please, with the tinfoil hat nonsense. It's never good when any company gets as big as, and exerts and leverages control over so many facets of information access, as Google. It wasn't good when Microsoft was running amok and it won't be good with Google either. Stop being so blindly naive.
post #55 of 73
Sketch-up is pretty good. Have you tried hot mail for a point of comparison?

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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I'm sorry but the Google honeymoon is over.

I've had plenty of problems with Gmail's reliability over the last year and so has my girlfriend.

YouTube is an exercise in annoyment now with pop up adds and now forced advertisements preceding the video.

I launch iWork when I need to do some document creation not Google apps. I don't use Blogger anymore and it just catches a bunch of spam.

Picasa looks horried and I didn't even want to install it on my Mac

Google Maps consistently sends me on poor routes I'm beginning to use Microsofts maps instead.

If I look at Google's performance as far as delivering outstanding applications that I really want to use I'd say the importance of Google in my daily life is diminishing. I have little desire to see what they could do to screw up my music.
post #56 of 73
Google Voice is pretty slick. However, if you don't have a smart phone it loses some of it's utility. That is because all your voice mail is routed to your email box. If you can't access your email from your phone, you can't get your voice mail.

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I recently (well two days ago) got my google voice account and I have to say it works pretty well. I can have my google number ring to both my cell phones and if I don't answer the vmail to my email account and so far it has worked perfectly. Have to see how it goes in the long run.
post #57 of 73
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

What do you use for search?

Bing anyone?
(it actually works very good)
post #58 of 73
gBooks now gMusic, what's gonna come next? gLife???
post #59 of 73
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Originally Posted by caljomac View Post

gBooks now gMusic, what's gonna come next?

gStrings. They display little ads next to the search results.
post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

As an example the facebook iphone app is widely regarded amongst my friends as better that the web version, it's stripped down, refined, comes attached to a camera, and most importantly is in my pocket.


I have the facebook app, I carry it in my pocket. So where the hell is my camera that it comes attached to?
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post #61 of 73
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What are you talking about? Chrome is already outranking Safari despite being, what, a decade younger?

Comparatively, Google as a company has a far better track record overall than Apple. Apple nearly went under. Google has control over the best of the world's marketing. It could remove apple.com from search rankings and lose them millions if it felt like it (ie made up a feasible excuse). Google has incredible power. Apple has a tiny share of an unstable market.

The post you quoted was somewhat ridiculous, but then again so is yours. Chrome is based on Webkit just as Safari is. In fact Webkit was originally created by Apple for Safari before it was open sourced. Without Safari, Chrome as we know it today wouldn't exist. Chrome is an excellent browser and so is Safari, both have adoption rates that are far too low.

In case you weren't aware, Google makes its money on selling advertising. Removing apple.com would be detrimental to their bottom line too. Apple could remove google search from the safari web browser and replace it with yahoo or bing and google would lose a ton of money too (remember the iphone uses a version of safari), but why would they? I don't know why you talk about Apples track record then bring up an event that occurred before google even existed, how is that all relevant now? The overall value of both companies is very similar right now, with google having a slight edge. Additionally, what unstable market are you referring to? The one that produced record quarter after record quarter in the midst of a recession?

I will admit that in terms of world reach, Googles is far greater. They have their fingers in everything. If I represented a small country, I would attempt to hire them for intelligence services (they even have spy satellites).
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post #62 of 73
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The post you quoted was somewhat ridiculous, but then again so is yours. Chrome is based on Webkit just as Safari is. In fact Webkit was originally created by Apple for Safari before it was open sourced. Without Safari, Chrome as we know it today wouldn't exist. Chrome is an excellent browser and so is Safari, both have adoption rates that are far too low.

I thought Webkit was originally based on the KHTML software library?
post #63 of 73
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Sketch-up is pretty good. Have you tried hot mail for a point of comparison?

I've tried it but I've got to get used to it. Hotmail ..shudder. I'm never going to back to that crap

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Google Voice is pretty slick. However, if you don't have a smart phone it loses some of it's utility. That is because all your voice mail is routed to your email box. If you can't access your email from your phone, you can't get your voice mail.

I want to use my Google Voice more. Ever since I read about RingCentral (a paid product that does the same thing) I've wanted to incorporate a single number into my life. I'll get there soon enough.
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post #64 of 73
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I have the facebook app, I carry it in my pocket. So where the hell is my camera that it comes attached to?

eh? on the phone.... press the button that says 'camera'... !
post #65 of 73
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Originally Posted by star-fish View Post

Yeah, because Safari was so successful in the web browser business. The last thing the world needs is another unused ask.com



Your whole post is ridiculous in so many ways...possibly a new world record.




What are you talking about? Chrome is already outranking Safari despite being, what, a decade younger?

Comparatively, Google as a company has a far better track record overall than Apple. Apple nearly went under. Google has control over the best of the world's marketing. It could remove apple.com from search rankings and lose them millions if it felt like it (ie made up a feasible excuse). Google has incredible power. Apple has a tiny share of an unstable market.

Decade? 7 years.
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I thought Webkit was originally based on the KHTML software library?

It was a fork and later all that original fork was purged.

KDE is rolling in WebKit but keeping it separate from KParts--Konqueror gives one the option to opt in to use WebKit over KHTML/KJS.
post #67 of 73
Actually, this sounds like Google is tearing a page out of Baidu's playbook. Baidu hosts deep links to "free" and cheap MP3 downloads and gets paid for them. They rotate their links regularly to avoid getting caught, but this is what they've been doing to achieve their dominance in the Chinese market. I did a little research on Baidu as a precursor to buying their stock, then came away shaking my head at the house of cards they've built. I think if Google does something similar, but legally, they will probably be able to crack the code and get better play in China.

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eh? on the phone.... press the button that says 'camera'... !

you said the app had a camera attached
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post #69 of 73
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

Eric was on the board a bit too long in my opinion.

I think Apple should enter the search engine business.

Apple doesn't need to get into search business. Actually, get into search could kill Apple.

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post #70 of 73
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Anyway consumers get something with Apple beside function, reliability we really get class! iMac looks so artistic and beautiful. Owning one really like owning a piece of art. Something we really can't get out of an ugly Dell or HP. I think the majority has spoken we really want the good s***!

Yippie, another Apple fanboy arguing form over function. Personally, I'd rather have a really ugly upgradeable computer (PC or Mac) than a computer-turned-appliance iMac (and I'm an iMac owner - never again).

The majority has spoken? 10% market share is the majority? I hope your job doesn't involve knowing basic math.

Funny how everyone here loved Google when they were in bed with Apple. Now that the love affair is over, everyone argues that Google is complete sh&t. Please get your stories straight.
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

Apple doesn't need to get into search business. Actually, get into search could kill Apple.

Yeah, again, I was in a jovial mood yesterday, was not really a serious suggestion, but I'm interested in why you feel it would kill apple?
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Funny how everyone here loved Google when they were in bed with Apple. Now that the love affair is over, everyone argues that Google is complete sh&t. Please get your stories straight.

Personally I'm a fan of innovation full stop. It's also what I do, I invent stuff, and I have had my concepts ripped off in the past, and it's not nice.

So if I see company A ripping off company B it gets on my nerves. And thats all there is to it.

Support the innovator, boo the blagger.
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

That was walmart, a cruddy food store, they never had a hope in competing, this is google, slightly more qualified.

If they release something like Spotify, itunes could be in trouble, I think it's a better model, all my friends have dumped iTunes in favor of Spotify, including myself, and it's growing at a ridiculous rate.

So how does one get a beta invite to Spotify if one doesn't know a geek who has an account?

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