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Comics are a dying art form. Very few kids are interested anymore, no thanks to the high cover prices and the focus on "mature" audiences. Maybe if they priced the digital copies at 50 cents or something, but $2 or more with virtually no distribution costs is ridiculous.

You are flat out WRONG! EH-URRRR!

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Oh boy!

Are you ever wrong!

Just go to any Barnes and Nobel. What's the fastest growing segment?

MANGA!!!

What is Manga? Japanese, or Japanese inspired comic books, graphic "novels", magazines, movies, video games and the like.

Over the past five years, I've made many props like swords, broaches, armbands, shields, breastplates, helmets, and other props for my daughter and her friends, as they've first gone to the various manga and comic conventions here in NYC, and then, as they got older, around the East coast.

I've also spend more than a few nights, until the next days' dawn, sewing costumes. We've had our entire first floor of the house covered with cloth, and our dining room table used as a sweatshop with as many as three sewing machines, as we've made costumes. Nothing like having a half dozen girls (and a couple boys) over for two days straight doing this.

Believe me, if the tablet is going to get teenagers reading from it, comic books are the place to be.

Locked down, nailed on 100% agree with that guy Melgross post. The tablet and full blown digital distribution will change EVERYTHING! Read Scott McCloud's 'Re-inventing Comics' for the forward thinking ideas that are only now on the cusp of being realised. Hot read.

Secondly, Manga is obviously huge in Japan where they sell more comic books every year than American and Europe put together, I think. They sell hundreds of millions if not a billion of the bleeders every year. And they're far bigger than the pamphlets you get in the states. Plus the genre diversity is amazing.

'Dying artform'? I think not. Ironically, while the big publishers like Marvel and DC have seen some success with Movies and constant reinvention of older Intellectual properties eg Ultimates...we have see a general trend to Independent publishing houses AND Johnny Appleseed Small Press publishers style creators who are just 'putting it out there on the web' and collecting their dailies into print format collections later on. Individual creators are flourishing on the web. There's a veritable GOLD MINE of comic stuff on the Web. It's like the wild frontier. For me, the big publishers have been slow to exploit the web. *Shrugs. Let's hear it for the little guy. It's been a 'two horse' race for too long.

And...to add to Melgross' post. I had to smile as he told us of helping make costumes and props for his daughter and friends. I used to attend the United Kingdom Comic Art Convention many, many moons ago. Highlights are myself dressing up as 'Solar, Man of the Iffy' (Complete with 'hose'), The 'Rowenta' WarMachine (no, that was my wife...I think), AND the 'Silver Cullonder (Where I dressed in silver foil, a real collunder on my head...AND a childs inflatable surfer board also attired in foil. I had to shuffle on stage..and under the stage lights I got cooked. And when I won a prize for it? Hassan threw my prize on the floor for me to collect it...which means the gaffa tape holding me together exploded...) You think that's bad? I had my ex-wife go as Ms. Swamp Thing in hessian potato sack and mouldy tea-bags (my idea...) and me as the 'Murphy Richards' Iron Man. Big embarrassment was carrying the 'box' around London and bumping into Dave Gibbons (Watchmen Artist) in a lift. I smiled at him weakly. He smiled back sympathetically. I think I looked like a yellow and red lego brick in that one... Crazy? Hey, sane people don't post on boards like this...

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and Disney DID just buy Marvel Comics.

Noted. Good catch. Smiles. IF that isn't part of the Job's master plan...

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Originally Posted by Marvin
While I don't think comics are a big deal these days, I think it's the distribution format rather than the content that's dying. As mentioned in one of Apple's keynotes - people just don't use books that much any more. They waste so much space in our modern minimalist homes and trading them is almost impossible so it's not environmentally nor wallet friendly.

Newspapers, comics, magazines, educational texts, fictional novels - they all need two things: a profitable distribution method and a client device.

Stores + physical format don't work because foot traffic in dedicated book stores and even libraries is so low. Check your local ones and see how empty they are. People don't have time to waste referencing text in books without search or finding well-reviewed novels.

Amazon + Kindle doesn't work that well because although they are a high profile distributor, the client device is poor (dedicated is not enough) and so expensive for what you get.

Apple + tablet does work because they have 50 million+ people at least in this eco-system buying games, movies, apps etc. I read comics on the iphone - daily web comics - and I love it. Same with a few books. However, a tablet works better for sitting down for hours and engaging with this type of content. I have read a few books on the iphone and while I don't mind it, having to scroll pretty much constantly isn't ideal.

Even better is the idea of interactive comics - if you've seen a motion comic e.g:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ipt9hJud8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_wuEMwBUo

then you can see the possibilities. It brings comics to life for kids whose imaginations have been rotted away by endless hours of watered-down Disney slapstick entertainment and engages them in some thought-provoking narrative. But the key point is that it's not limited to this function. If you want to do something else you can and this is where so many devices fail.

It doesn't matter if comics would be enough to sell a tablet or if the tablet is enough to sell comics, they would give a significant boost to each other and you may for example buy the static comic and find out you want the motion comic/the movie or check out the website and buy products or review it online. It can all be done on the tablet.

I think Bill Gates is correct that it will be the most popular form factor sold eventually - he was a little off with the timing and that it would be a PC.

I am amazed!

Don't you guys ever go into bookstores anymore?

Comics and Manga, in particular, are the biggest growing segment.

Grins very broadly. A very, very, very perceptive post, Marvin. Excellent analysis. You seem to have the knack of nailing it on the head every time. Very rational and well thought out.

Yes. distribution of comics has long been a thorny issue. I suspect that a ubiquitous tablet/reading device will not only benefit print delivery in general but add a real boost to comics, an area which has been quite conservative over the years when it comes to 'new thinking' or genuine innovation. Too much me too-ism goes on there. And yes, distribution gets a real shot in the arm. If people can go with micro payments and add a few bells and whistles to the digital format, 'reading' can once again be fashionable to our children once more. Because, like the app store, things will be cheap! Accessible. £3 for a comic? Or 50pence? Or less? You don't mind wasting more on 6 comics for £3 if you can fully harness the leverage of the net's scale of economics. Kids play games, sure. But the net is all about pictures and words. That's comics, more or less.

This thread is the most pertinent (to me) thread of Appleinsider I have ever come across. And I have enjoying the read. Keep it coming.

As for Melgross and people going into stores and actually reading books/comics. Sighs wistfully. I know the feeling. You can't beat the smell of paper, fer me. And many of the children at my school agree. When the 'book club' is in town...we always have loads of sales. Did £500 plus of business in one week. Not bad for a generation of illiterates? And ironically, after years of being in the wilderness, comics are coming back to my school! We've got graphic novels aplenty! Jason and the Argonauts, the classics, some donated from my collection, my English head of dept is very aggressively pushing this to help the boys at our school get into reading! And what's more the girls are getting in on the action. A girl said to me today she'd ordered 'Jason and the...' at her local library. I was amazed at her reading a comic book. A girl. Now I think back to this morning...I'm quite shocked I guess. When I asked who wanted to go down to the library to go on the waiting list for it? An avalanche of children put their hands up for that. So, paper aint dead or dying. But there's no doubt that a Apple eBook reader could change EVERYTHING. I could well imagine going to a 'book store' online at Apple iTunes and browsing the latest cool comics and discovering a gem and putting in on pod cast subscription. As opposed to driving down to P.45 in Nottingham. (If you're in the midlands in the UK and get the chance to go to P.45...do. One of the best comic shops in the UK.) Sure, nothing ever beats the real thing...but if anyone can come close? Apple.

My recommended read to Mel: 'Strangehaven' by Gary Spencer Millidge. It's a cross between Prisoner and Emmerdale Farm and a weird old Hammer House production. It's the only thing that's keeping me reading comics at the moment. I can also heartily recommend Dave Sim's Cerebus the Ardvark. Can an Ant Eater be corrupted by power? And if you haven't read Watchmen by Moore and Gibbons? Do so. Far better than the 'died at the last hurdle' movie.

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post #42 of 74
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Who discontinued it? Since when can language can be discontinued? I understand that the post office wants two letter abbreviations for mail, but that has no baring on the rest of written language. In fact, from Wikipedia...

• These postal abbreviations are distinguished from traditional abbreviations such as Calif., Fla., or Tex. The Associated Press Stylebook states that in contexts other than mailing addresses, the traditional state abbreviations should be used.

PS: The source on the Wikipage isn’t working so take it with the usual grain of salt, but it is how i learned it.

Hey thanks for doing the research. I guess I'm assuming too much. Even when that abbreviation was still used in postal addresses, before CA was the standard, people in California would always spell it out completely on their return addresses as matter of pride, but now that our governor cannot even pronounce the name, I guess we'll forego any formalities.

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post #43 of 74
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A lot of today's comics are pornography though in that the sales rely on mega-violence, nudity, and selling to distinct groups like the gay and psuedo-gay markets.

Also, I think when you say that the profit margins on comics are small, you are forgetting that a big part of that is printing and distribution. The eComic would not have that cost.

As a comic collector myself, I find it impossible to afford (or find) most of the older comics that I'd like to have now. Most of today's comic "collectors" just collect what's coming out now and ignore all the old comics. The idea that, like iTunes, I could possibly get digital versions of my favourite old comics is very appealing to me.

The thing I worry about here is the closed nature of the deal. The author of this article is actually wrong to state that there are no comic book readers that sell new comics and to imply that all the eReaders are for old (torrented) stuff. There is a comic book "reader" in the app store right now that does exactly this, but the downside is that you cannot use it to read the old content you have (torrented *or* purchased). It's a closed system wherein you have to buy comics through the app and they only work on that app.

What's really needed here if eBooks and eComics are to catch on is an open standard, just like any other technology. Let's hope these guys see that.

I agree about an open standard. That would help, massively.

And you're absolutely right about printing and distribution eating up lots of the financial reward for creating comics. This is where the the right e-reader could blow this paradigm to smithereens.

You're also right that there's alot of violence and common denominator stuff out there. Same with TV? There is good stuff out there...loads of it. Like gold...you just have to know where to look.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #44 of 74
Just an aside. I did email Scott McCloud about some recommended reads for setting up a 'school graphic novel library.'

His links led to some cool purchases for my school and my mind being blown by the sheer diversity out there. And I've been into comics for 32 years! Bring on the e-reader, Apple, I sez.

In fact, we had a training day and guess what the subject of discussion was? How to get boys into reading comics? Multi-modal? Bless 'em. 'Comics' was one of the many strategies discussed with some quality examples of said 'graphic novels.'

And you could see how Gaiman and Dave McKean are using traditional media and computers to bring a whole new dimension to comics. And not just in the 'candy coated' way you get in many superhero comics.

Hmm...now why did I buy my iMac again?

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #45 of 74
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Oh boy!

Are you ever wrong!

Just go to any Barnes and Nobel. What's the fastest growing segment?

MANGA!!!

What is Manga? Japanese, or Japanese inspired comic books, graphic "novels", magazines, movies, video games and the like.

Over the past five years, I've made many props like swords, broaches, armbands, shields, breastplates, helmets, and other props for my daughter and her friends, as they've first gone to the various manga and comic conventions here in NYC, and then, as they got older, around the East coast.

I've also spend more than a few nights, until the next days' dawn, sewing costumes. We've had our entire first floor of the house covered with cloth, and our dining room table used as a sweatshop with as many as three sewing machines, as we've made costumes. Nothing like having a half dozen girls (and a couple boys) over for two days straight doing this.

Believe me, if the tablet is going to get teenagers reading from it, comic books are the place to be.

I agree on the growth of manga in the US, but disagree that a tablet would be the logical first growth area to focus on... however, it could certainly be "part of the mix". Manga are typically cheap, printed in black and white, have many, many pages (at least the Japanese variety) and are published frequently. They are like soap opera comics.

That's cool you've created cosplay accessories for your kids. I'm always surprised to see how popular dressing up as these characters has become. I thought it would remain another Japan-only oddity. I hope to check out the next Comic-Con in San Diego and maybe catch some previews of upcoming movies.

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post #46 of 74
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I can agree that comics have a lot more competition for audience attention and needs to change with the times. But that can be said for every form of entertainment.

Superhero comics have always been considered as mature material. Back in the 60's super hero themes and their battles with right and wrong were considered too challenging for kids in developing moral values.

Nods. 60s Marvel blew apart the 2D cliche of the DC and 'Timely' (Marvel) superheroes of the 40s, 50s. The seminal works of Kirby and Lee, Ditko and Lee on titles such as Fantastic Four, Thor, Iron Man, Daredevil, X-MEn, Hulk and of course Spider Man while not forgetting Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer...and the Avengers changed everything for that particular genre. For a time, at least The story line of Harry Osborne suffering the affects of drug addiction remains a notable example of a Marvel comic shunning the banal tag of the Comics Code 'Authority'.

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post #47 of 74
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I hope to check out the next Comic-Con in San Diego and maybe catch some previews of upcoming movies.

Yeah. You have to hand it to the USA. They KNOW how to do comic conventions.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #48 of 74
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Originally Posted by solipsism
I wouldnt use the word dying, but its certainly becoming more niche, like vinyl albums have become.

Nope!



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post #49 of 74
WebKit with Canvas and other code could be kind of cool with interactive comic books. Some panels can have a slow Ken Burns affect that scroll or zoom to how the artist sees the panel. Or perhaps you can touch a panel and have some simple action happen. The possibilities seem endless.
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post #50 of 74
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many people like the appeal of an ebook reader because it is smaller and easier to carry several titles in a smaller bag.

as for the strap issue. depending on the design of the reader it can be no more difficult than holding the strap and a book where you have to turn the page every few seconds.
Agreed.

Except I stated a 10" ebook reader in my post, the reported size of Apple's pad, much bigger than a Kindle. I would be exhausted holding something bigger than a Kindle and there isn't the physical space to hold up something that large.

I just measured one of my kids' manga, it's 4.5" x 7".

I spent 7 years riding the Tokyo rails. Japan is 120 million people, relatively affluent, who for the most part, have a lot more technology in their daily lives than most Americans.It's not a market to be discounted.

...er. Well the thing is, Manga and US Comics would easily fit in the readable area of a 10 inch 'reader'. But we have to consider other issues. Like newspapers? Magazines. Traditionally A4 or bigger 8x11 or slightly bigger in the UK?

A 10 inch size (if that area is fully viewable...) Catches most print sizes.

I'm ok with that on my lap when I'm 'couch potato' computing on the sofa. Much better idea than a cumbersome laptop in my not so humble opinion.

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post #51 of 74
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WebKit with Canvas and other code could be kind of cool with interactive comic books. Some panels can have a slow Ken Burns affect that scroll or zoom to how the artist sees the panel. Or perhaps you can touch a panel and have some simple action happen. The possibilities seem endless.

Quite so. As someone who has created a comic in quicktime and flash formats...the possibilties for digital comics are endless once you break through the old print media 'prison box' paradigm. Scrolling, zooming, swiping, hyper text link, sound fx, jingles, animation, 3d, 2d, flash, not flash, mixed media...digital distribution, professional production values, direct access to your customer, net scale of economics...the 'world' niches coming to gether to create a much broader market for comics, reward ratio goes up to work ratio...

To see how endless? 'Re-inventing Comics' by Scott McCloud. One of his trilogy of books, Understanding Comics and 'Making' Comics being the other two. Essential reads up comics are your bag.

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post #52 of 74
All I get now-a-days is the Marvel Ultimate line...

Yeah, a good bit of cheese whiz in there, but I like the 'fresh-start' approach...

Now back in the day; during the 'black & white furry creatures' era (aka, the mid 80's), I had thirty plus longboxes sitting in the living room... With a good bit of everything... Helped that I working in a shop...

Old school recommendations?

Those Annoying Post Brothers
Savage Henry
Stig's Inferno
Usagi Yojibo
The Grendal stuff...
The Mage stuff...
Moonshadow
Cerebus
The Dark Knight stuff...
X-Men stuff (which got WAY out of hand, which drove me away from Marvel for awhile)
Daredevil & Elektra stuff
Anything drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz was worth getting...
Frank Miller stuff...

In closing, I had named digital comics as THE killer app for an Apple tablet long ago, and Wolverine is AWESOME...!
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All I get now-a-days is the Marvel Ultimate line...

Yeah, a good bit of cheese whiz in there, but I like the 'fresh-start' approach...

Now back in the day; during the 'black & white furry creatures' era (aka, the mid 80's), I had thirty plus longboxes sitting in the living room... With a good bit of everything... Helped that I working in a shop...

Old school recommendations?

Those Annoying Post Brothers
Savage Henry
Stig's Inferno
Usagi Yojibo
The Grendal stuff...
The Mage stuff...
Moonshadow
Cerebus
The Dark Knight stuff...
X-Men stuff (which got WAY out of hand, which drove me away from Marvel for awhile)
Daredevil & Elektra stuff
Anything drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz was worth getting...
Frank Miller stuff...

In closing, I had named digital comics as THE killer app for an Apple tablet long ago, and Wolverine is AWESOME...!

This is old school now? Good grief, I must be one of the ancients! I consider Krazy Kat, Nemo In Slumberland, and early Mad Magazine the stuff of true genius (although I will buy any of the old Bill Sienkiewicz and the 'fairly recent' Frank Miller and Geoff Darrow collaborations). Also loved the early Blue Beetle, 70's era Spiderman, anything drawn by Jack Kirby, Scrooge McDuck, Archie Comics (Veronica!... Hubba, hubba!), those wonderfully awful Casper and Richie Rich comics, Shazam!, Peanuts compilations (the earliest strips were utterly fantastic), Tintin (every frame was perfection, and it's a shame this series has been largely ignored in America), and The Fantastic Four.

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post #54 of 74
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It has to be marketed as a Kindle/Nook competitor or it's going to be the next Apple TV.

I can't be, it's not e-ink. What is it you people don't get about that? They are entirely different. I mean "entirely". Book Readers are not "computers".

Next Apple TV? LOL A multi-touch 10" iPhone with Mac capabilities? It will take over the world in a week, regardless of it's useful features - which I think are actually many.
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I can't be, it's not e-ink. What is it you people don't get about that? They are entirely different. I mean "entirely". Book Readers are not "computers".

Next Apple TV? LOL A multi-touch 10" iPhone with Mac capabilities? It will take over the world in a week, regardless of it's useful features - which I think are actually many.

"You people"? Awesome.

You should understand that it needs to be marketed as an iPhone OS product thats specialty will be reading print/magazine products in digital form. I can't read books on something that's not e-ink? That's rational....

I kind of already do with Stanza and the Kindle app.

You have to realize that most people, and NOT people like us that scour Apple news sites, will most likely already have an iPhone, and would not want to pay $700 or whatever for another iPhone with a bigger screen. What would I use it for? Even Jobs himself doesn't want to put something out there that will just be a bathroom web browser.

Nowadays if I have my iPhone and Macbook near me and I need to look something up online, I'm not going for the Macbook, I'll go for the iPhone.

It has to have some kind if intangible that will get people to WANT it, OTHER than having a bigger screen. And I think that's going to be the iTunes Book Store.

Way to get my Apple TV analogy. It's a niche product that doesn't have the intangible, or WOW feature, to get the masses to purchase it.

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I'm probably posting the dumbest post/question of all time... but here goes:

Personally, I'm seriously exited about the possibility(ies) of a real "iBook" (iTablet whatever) when it comes. However, for the publishing industry (of which I have been a part now for some 30+ years as designer), what will an eBook or LP version of, Time, Fortune, NatGeo, etc. be able to offer over the web-versions within a browser? Is this eBook version just a better way to "flip pages" ?

With HTML5 coming into it's own shortly, and then whatever HTML 6 will add, as well as AJAX and other assorted embedding tech, what is this future "encapsulated format" going to bring to the table, other than (more than likely) a better way to monetize the content?

Also, what about PDF, which also can use embedded objects, links, etc... or actually what Flash was initially meant to do... coupled with Macromedia Authorware and Director in the day?

Ok... rather not go down that Adobe road... but the "tools" are definitely there (pun intended!)... and ripe for a Take-n-Make-over. Considering that Apple today just surpassed Google's market-cap ... anybody see the possibility that Apple might make a play for Adobe in the near future?

Wishful thinking on my part...sorry... but I'd LOVE to see an optimized for Mac, recompiled CS-Suite of apps. Not sure if Adobe as it stands today likes, or even needs, us Macheads anymore...(?)

PS: I didn't necessarily want to stray into Adobe land... but what kind of tools will be available to create content for this iBook/eReader/ComicLP device ... short of becoming a full-fledged developer with an SDK toolbox and coding knowledge?
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post #58 of 74
There are already several services that offer online manga in Japan, including Yahoo Japan which is owned by Softbank, the iPhone provider here, while manga on cell phones has been available for several years now. The largest bookstore offering electronic books, Ebook Japan (http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/manga/index.html) currently lists 25000 manga titles and in addition to offering a Mac version of their book reader (ebiBookReader) software, there's also a free ebook reader app for the iPhone that one can download from iTunes Japan.
Interestingly, there is a translation button (noted as "currently unavailable") in the Mac version book reader. A 10" tablet would be just the size of a two-page spread of a manga.
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While this seems a no brainer in terms of an obvious use for the emerging technology I think it also opens up new art form possibilities. While lesser tablets offer up glorified PDF type viewing the Apple Tablet will hopefully be powerful enough to allow the creation of entirely new concepts. I suspect we will see such developments as pages (just an example) where each comic cell plays out its action using animation or video before the next one picks up the story. The Harry Potter type newspaper if you will. To simply move an old technology, printing, to a new medium is fine for archival and research purposes but with new technology comes new ideas and potential. I am sure Disney are already hard at work on some concept SJ has thought up to make yet another Jobsian paradigm shift come to a tablet near you soon.
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There are already several services that offer online manga in Japan, including Yahoo Japan which is owned by Softbank, the iPhone provider here, while manga on cell phones has been available for several years now. The largest bookstore offering electronic books, Ebook Japan (http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/manga/index.html) currently lists 25000 manga titles and in addition to offering a Mac version of their book reader (ebiBookReader) software, there's also a free ebook reader app for the iPhone that one can download from iTunes Japan.
Interestingly, there is a translation button (noted as "currently unavailable") in the Mac version book reader. A 10" tablet would be just the size of a two-page spread of a manga.

It looks like the "ebiReader" app on the App Store is a free download, but the program you need on your desktop/laptop is for Windows PC only... at least according to one reviewer.

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Except that there is no indication that it will be pushed primarily as an ebook reader (which is your prediction). I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch, and a lot of people have brought up the idea of an online book store anyway.

Edit: I will give you credit for including comic books as a feature though. It just doesn't seem that your prediction is centered around that though. I doubt that a tablet will have a "primary" feature, different people will consider different features to be the most important.
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It looks like the "ebiReader" app on the App Store is a free download, but the program you need on your desktop/laptop is for Windows PC only... at least according to one reviewer.

I don't know how long it's been available, but there is a Mac version available now.
http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/reader/mac/index.asp
Minimum requirements are Intel Macs running Leopard or above and Safari 3 or Firefox 3.

The blue button at the bottom will take you to a page where you can download the software(the red button at the top), and the blue button at the bottom of that page will take you to a page where you can download sample pages from a couple of manga(the brown buttons beneath the cover images). Sample pages, about eight spreads each, are available for many of the manga/books sold on the website (the black buttons beneath the book covers). If the sample pages display properly, click to step 3 where you'll be asked to register (free).
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All I get now-a-days is the Marvel Ultimate line...

Yeah, a good bit of cheese whiz in there, but I like the 'fresh-start' approach...

Now back in the day; during the 'black & white furry creatures' era (aka, the mid 80's), I had thirty plus longboxes sitting in the living room... With a good bit of everything... Helped that I working in a shop...

Old school recommendations?

Those Annoying Post Brothers
Savage Henry
Stig's Inferno
Usagi Yojibo
The Grendal stuff...
The Mage stuff...
Moonshadow
Cerebus
The Dark Knight stuff...
X-Men stuff (which got WAY out of hand, which drove me away from Marvel for awhile)
Daredevil & Elektra stuff
Anything drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz was worth getting...
Frank Miller stuff...

In closing, I had named digital comics as THE killer app for an Apple tablet long ago, and Wolverine is AWESOME...!

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This is old school now? Good grief, I must be one of the ancients! I consider Krazy Kat, Nemo In Slumberland, and early Mad Magazine the stuff of true genius (although I will buy any of the old Bill Sienkiewicz and the 'fairly recent' Frank Miller and Geoff Darrow collaborations). Also loved the early Blue Beetle, 70's era Spiderman, anything drawn by Jack Kirby, Scrooge McDuck, Archie Comics (Veronica!... Hubba, hubba!), those wonderfully awful Casper and Richie Rich comics, Shazam!, Peanuts compilations (the earliest strips were utterly fantastic), Tintin (every frame was perfection, and it's a shame this series has been largely ignored in America), and The Fantastic Four.

Well, old school enough for me; in my early 40s now, so 'my' old school was 20 years ago & counting...!

I was in the single digits during most of the 70's, and remember mangling many an issue of the X-Men, folding them in half and jamming them in my back pocket...

The horror...!
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Even better is the idea of interactive comics - if you've seen a motion comic e.g:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ipt9hJud8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_wuEMwBUo

then you can see the possibilities. It brings comics to life for kids whose imaginations have been rotted away by endless hours of watered-down Disney slapstick entertainment and engages them in some thought-provoking narrative. But the key point is that it's not limited to this function. If you want to do something else you can and this is where so many devices fail.

Oh...

Thanks for posting those links.

My first impression was that the pictures are almost superfluous... the experience is more like radio where the narration (and background sound effects) let each consumer (listener) form his own mental image.

This, IMO, was the secret to radio's success.. it was an interactive medium, rather than passive-- the listener got as much out of it as he was willing to put in.

I am old enough to remember radio before TV-- and it took you to whichever places you wanted to go. No other medium quite matches the experience of radio.

I just revisited Tyrese Gibson's Mayhem comic book iTunes LP...

Interesting, you can turn off the speech bubbles or the but not the video. You still need to manually flip each page.

So you can have:

1) a comic book
2) a comic book with sound (speech and effects)
3) a comic book with sound (speech and effects), byt without speech bubbles

If you added automatic page flip and ignore the video, you would have radio-- not music radio, not news radio, but entertainment radio.

This could be something!
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If apple was to just read the forums online, read all that people think could be put in the tablet, and implement even half the features, they could very well surprise the world and launch a complete winner.
Comic books would be an awesome idea for the tablet, and could very well be a major seller for the device. Of course steve jobs now being a major stock holder of marvel helps.
The slightly animated comics that are coming on dvd's these days would be MUCH better on a tablet, cuz then you can actually turn pages. We still want comics, theres aline where a digital comic just becomes a movie, and we don't want to cross that line.
We basically want one page at time, which is slightly animated, and has bubble text!
also the tablet could be awesome not just for viewing but actually making these comics. Obviously, the tablet should be useful for artists, they could go ahead and put some more functionality with some great software, or probably some third party people will do that anyway.
Also the tablet could be the next level of portable gaming, that could totally kill psp and nintendo ds sales.
Obviously the Tablet should have flash support and a great browser.
e-books here will have the advantage of color. magazines if not books anyway. put a matte screen to reduce glare, but that wouldn't be vary apple-y
MULTI-TASKING!!!!
put iphone OS with multitasking, and some file support, so you can open files with different apps and you have a complete winner.
really third party apps will take care of the rest.
cmon now apple announce it already.
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Steve does NOT 'own' Disney...

Well, not ALL of it anyway after all it is a public corporation but yes with the Pixar deal Steve now is the largest single owner of Disney stock in the world with 7%ish of all Disney stock. Prior to that the biggest single person stock owners were all at around 1%, Eisner and even Roy Disney never owner over 2%.

Pretty freakin amazing... the man who was shoved out the door at Apple those many years ago sure has come back into his own hasn't he?

Yes, it is amazing. Steve Jobs has the golden midas touch. Everything he does turns to big money. Even NEXT, which never really sold anything ended up getting sold twice, first to IBM for untold millions, then again to Apple for 400 million. THen his 10 million investment in unknown Pixar goes to Disney for 7% of the stock. Now Apple in a recession has the most profitable quarter ever. Truly Jobs is the modern Midas of our era.
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Yes, it is amazing. Steve Jobs has the golden midas touch. Everything he does turns to big money. Even NEXT, which never really sold anything ended up getting sold twice, first to IBM for untold millions, then again to Apple for 400 million. THen his 10 million investment in unknown Pixar goes to Disney for 7% of the stock. Now Apple in a recession has the most profitable quarter ever. Truly Jobs is the modern Midas of our era.

it is kind of amazing how many times since the original Mac have people said that Jobs ideas/project/product was making a huge mistake. The Nostradamus of technology, save for a few missteps. \
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This article confirms that the new giant iPhone is targeted towards people who read comics. 12 year-old boys and 25-50 year-old losers.
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...people who read comics... ...25-50 year-old losers...



What a stereotype...! Wonder how you feel about other interest groups? Or different races & cultures...?

See, what I am saying is that when you spout off about anyone over the age of 25 who reads comics being a 'loser', you actually make yourself look like a bit of a judgmental bigot...
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What a stereotype...! Wonder how you feel about other interest groups? Or different races & cultures...?

See, what I am saying is that when you spout off about anyone over the age of 25 who reads comics being a 'loser', you actually make yourself look like a bit of a judgmental bigot...

See what I mean?
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See what I mean?

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My first impression was that the pictures are almost superfluous... the experience is more like radio where the narration (and background sound effects) let each consumer (listener) form his own mental image.

This, IMO, was the secret to radio's success.. it was an interactive medium, rather than passive-- the listener got as much out of it as he was willing to put in.

Video killed the radio star and the radio star's sibling is out for revenge. I think after a few years, people tire of passive entertainment. One day you're watching an adult movie and thinking 'why am I watching other people getting laid?'. Life is more interesting when you engage with things yourself and it's more immersive.

Sitting still and watching things happen means it's easy to lose plot-lines and go away from the experience empty and not much better off than if you'd never bothered. When I see movies like Transformers or the Spiderman films, I wonder why I sat through countless movies like this as a kid? It's such frivolous garbage only satisfying instant-gratification consumerism and leaving no lasting impression.

These days, artists and celebrities arrive one year and are forgotten the next. Movies are mostly sequel after sequel regurgitating the same formulae. The future can't hold anything more if children are raised on such relentless pap and the implications go deeper than entertainment.

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If apple was to just read the forums online

I'm sure the employees at Apple do their research to know what the people they want to sell to want. Apple is made up of a lot of people just like us with families and experiences that cover a broad scope. It's easy to think of them as just sitting in brain-storming meetings lost for what their next big product could be, who to sell it to and how to sell it. They deal with thousands of employees in all sorts of companies and they will sift through hundreds of ideas every day.

Even if good ideas are presented, it takes more than that to make them successful. The Newton and 20th Anniversary Mac failed and yet the ipod/iphone and iMac succeed. The economy and culture play parts in it i.e do people need it and does it fit into the price bracket that level of need constructs for that product?

It goes back to the point about the Kindle. It's not enough because the price bracket is high for what is essentially a digital book. Comics alone won't sell a touch tablet, they will be one strong element of many that will sell it to a broad range of people with different needs.
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It goes back to the point about the Kindle. It's not enough because the price bracket is high for what is essentially a digital book. Comics alone won't sell a touch tablet, they will be one strong element of many that will sell it to a broad range of people with different needs.

An interesting observation. The 'iSlate' clearly won't be a 'one trick' pony if the iPod/iPhone are anything to go by. It will meet the needs of many a user.

Take iPod. You can read on it. You can surf on it. You can listening to music on it. You ca play multimedia stuff on it.

If anybody thinks the new 'iSlate' won't do this...then they haven't been paying attention to Apple's digital hub for the last 10 years.

The kindle can't display a colour comic or Sony's 'e-reader'. They're just not enough for the price you're paying. They are a 'cheap' (not so 'cheap') re-hash of the real thing. Paper is tactile, cheap, smells great (oh baybee...) and immersive (no fiddly interface...)

Any 'slate' is going to have to be 'immersive' within the context of the digital age. So it's unlikely to be an overpriced bk and wht e-ink wannabee.

I'm still thinking a 'mere' 10 inch iPod/iPhone with some extended interface gesture features. Reading on an iPod touch for internet use is tiresome after about 10 mins or so. Give one that is about A4 in size? Game over. I'm on it for an hour or so, easy.

For digital comic books, great. For a newspaper? Great. For browing the web? Great. For playing a game? Great. For watching movies? Great. I'm sold at £495-£695. Just above the iPhone just below the Macbook.

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