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post #41 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I use the part of my finger where one would get a fingerprint taken for identification

Can you post the pictures they took at the time?
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post #42 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:53am
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The reason many people use gelled wrist rests is that the mice they are using are too big -- i.e., too tall -- so they need the wrist rest to get their hand up to the right level. The low profile of the new MM seems perfect for eliminating the need for these. I'd say the new mouse is a knockout, except that it looks more transgenic.

Don't you mean transgendered?
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post #43 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

I'm not as sure about that. One of the least ergonomic aspects of most mice for me is the scroll wheel. Too much scroll-wheeling and my hand/wrist definitely starts to feel it. Despite a flatter profile I can imagine that doing away with the scroll wheel and allowing some more natural gesture to take its place could offset any problems with the height.

It's too soon for an ergonomic article. Use the thing for a few weeks then tell us about it.

I agree that the new scrolling method will probably be great and a huge improvement. But my concern (if you re-read my post) was with the shape. It is in fact very thin and narrow.
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post #44 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Of all the things Apple has that really NEEDS a non-replaceable, rechargeable battery with a charger is it's mouse! I'm sick and tired of changing batteries as well. And how exactly is this environmentally friendly? I'm supposed now buy an additonal battery recharger out of my pocket and draw more electricity with it? No thanks.

I agree... but bluetooth mice have amazing battery life. Apple is claiming 4 month. I presume that is with alkalines. Use lithium cells and you'll get even more life and the mouse will be a lot lighter too.
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post #45 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

I agree that the new scrolling method will probably be great and a huge improvement. But my concern (if you re-read my post) was with the shape. It is in fact very thin and narrow. That's bad ergonomics.

I wonder how it holds up when dropped. Does it split open or crack? The Mighty Mouse always spilled out its guts.
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post #46 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

I agree that the new scrolling method will probably be great and a huge improvement. But my concern (if you re-read my post) was with the shape. It is in fact very thin and narrow. That's bad ergonomics.

See the previous comments re gelled wrist rests. I think it's actually excellent ergonomics.
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post #47 of 130
10/22/09 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by mbarriault View Post

Wait, so there's no physical click to it at all? That's rather disappointing (though I already have it ordered :P).

It DOES click. A real click. Yes. The Gizmodo review specifically LAMENTS that the click is NOT a touch "click" as is possible with a trackpad. And in the Apple demo movies... you can actually see the button depressing and hear it clicking. It clicks (thank god).

Apparently it's better at sensing a touch-based right click too. Which is good. The Mighty Mouse was a huge pain. You have to really make sure you lifted your index finger way up before clicking with your middle finger.
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post #48 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Don't you mean transgendered?

What exactly have you been doing with your mouse?
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post #49 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

especially since Apples mice suck. why would anyone buy this next disaster without seeing and using it first hand.

Just like buying a pair of gloves or shoes, why would anybody buy or even comment unilaterally one way or another any mouse without seeing and using if first hand?
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post #50 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:01am
Later guys. I'm headed over to BestBuy to get a copy of Windows 7.
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post #51 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Later guys. I'm headed over to BestBuy to get a copy of Windows 7.

And then Burger King for lunch?
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post #52 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

However, saying that one mouse design or another is "not ergonomic" or words to that effect, as these articles do, is specious. The mouse may not work for the reviewer, but it's an individual thing.

True enough. It is frighteningly thin though. I'm skeptically optimistic. I want to love it. The touch thing seems like it would be so awesome. But I'm worried about the shape / size. We'll see. I'll try one out in a store once they arrive. If it seems okay, I'll buy it and try it for a week before deciding if I want to keep it or not. Again though... it looks crazy thin. It looks like another "finger mouse"... and that's not how I mouse.
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post #53 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I wonder how it holds up when dropped. Does it split open or crack? The Mighty Mouse always spilled out its guts.

According to iFixit, it won't split open easily.

"Disassembly of the new hardware is not recommended, as the sheer amount of glue holding it together would be difficult to repair once pulled apart." http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Magic-Mouse/1240/1
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post #54 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

It DOES click. A real click. Yes. The Gizmodo review specifically LAMENTS that the click is NOT a touch "click" as is possible with a trackpad. And in the Apple demo movies... you can actually see the button depressing and hear it clicking. It clicks (thank god).

Well, that's a bit of a disappointment, unless you can configure it via software to also not need the click. Apple's description says, "click and double-click anywhere," so perhaps this is the case. The next version will perhaps dispense with the click altogether, and the laser based tracking, and go completely touch. I think this is a much better form factor than a trackpad for touch based computer input*, but too much change all at once might have been more than many could comfortably handle.

* And much better than touch screen which is completely non-ergonomic for anything but handheld devices.
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post #55 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:09am
Used one of these at the local Apple Store last night. I like the touch gesture interface generally, however I use a Logitech thumbball unit all day long so it took some training to use both mouse movement AND gesture successfully. The thing looks damn sexy. I think that if Apple were to come out with a pointing device that was truly a gesture driven device rather than the mouse/gesture hybrid I'd be happier. Weight-wise, it actually felt light in my hand, moved well without a mousepad, and has a solid discernable "click" when you depress the top panel.

Pausing to consider it as a device in general, this may be one of those transitional devices that Apple likes to release enroute to a more sophisticated version. It's now on my purchase list.
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post #56 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:10am
Is the Magic Mouse optical or laser?
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post #57 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

See the previous comments re gelled wrist rests. I think it's actually excellent ergonomics.

You're free to think that. However... 15 years of 'palming' my mouse is a lot of inertia to overcome. And by the way... anecdotally... I've never had even the slightest twinge of wrist pain, tendonitis, carpal tunnel... etc. No issues.

My current mouse is the MS Wireless Laser Mouse 7000. It's awesome. Love it. Great shape. Super light (for a wireless). And all the buttons I need. I used to use the Revolution but a) they always died after a year and b) they weight a ton.
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post #58 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by sequitur View Post

Is the Magic Mouse optical or laser?

"Magic Mouse uses powerful laser tracking thats far more sensitive and responsive on more surfaces than traditional optical tracking."

-- http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/
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post #59 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Zandros View Post

You're definitely wrong. There are many people who don't palm their mouse.

I'm one of them. While I don't overly mind the size and bulk regular mice, I use, and prefer, a wireless laptop mouse on a daily basis. I don't "palm" it at all - I crank up the tracking speed and "float" the mouse around using my fingertips.

Small mouse + super fast tracking speed = I hardly have to move my arm or wrist at all to move my cursor.

Apples new mouse looks interesting - but I want to try one out before buying. The one thing I could never stand about Apple mice is that the tracking speed is stupidly slow... even when turned up to 100% Fast in System Preferences. If the tracking speed on this thing is fast, then I may get one.

It's going to take a lot to want to replace my Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000. This new Apple mouse is about 50% there. Hand on will either seal or kill the deal.



... for the record - finger tip user or not, the puck mouse sucked.
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post #60 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Well, that's a bit of a disappointment, unless you can configure it via software to also not need the click. Apple's description says, "click and double-click anywhere," so perhaps this is the case. The next version will perhaps dispense with the click altogether, and the laser based tracking, and go completely touch. I think this is a much better form factor than a trackpad for touch based computer input*, but too much change all at once might have been more than many could comfortably handle.

* And much better than touch screen which is completely non-ergonomic for anything but handheld devices.

Yes... tactile feedback sucks. I guess that's why companies are working so hard to add tactile feedback to touch screens eh? And how exactly would a mouse without tracking work?

p.s. you can "click anywhere" because the entire top portion is a button. It's not a reference to the touch capabilities.
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post #61 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Must be nice to have $70+ to burn.

You spend that much a month on cable tv though, right?
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post #62 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

"Magic Mouse uses powerful laser tracking that’s far more sensitive and responsive on more surfaces than traditional optical tracking."

-- http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

Is that for real or Apple spin?
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post #63 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Well, that's a bit of a disappointment, unless you can configure it via software to also not need the click. Apple's description says, "click and double-click anywhere," so perhaps this is the case. The next version will perhaps dispense with the click altogether, and the laser based tracking, and go completely touch. I think this is a much better form factor than a trackpad for touch based computer input*, but too much change all at once might have been more than many could comfortably handle.

* And much better than touch screen which is completely non-ergonomic for anything but handheld devices.

It is a button.

How would you select a file without depressing, i.e., clicking, the mouse? How would you do it on a MacBook without pressing down on the trackpad?
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post #64 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

You're free to think that. However... 15 years of 'palming' my mouse is a lot of inertia to overcome. And by the way... anecdotally... I've never had even the slightest twinge of wrist pain, tendonitis, carpal tunnel... etc. No issues.

I agree that there will be a certain amount of "retraining" and overcoming of inertia required, but such is the price of progress.

On the other hand, there will probably still be plenty of mice on the market that support other styles of mousing. Apple's mice clearly have tended to support a certain style of use, Microsoft's another, and other companies' one or more of their own. No one style will ever make anyone happy, which is why there's such a big aftermarket for input devices. I think this is an important advance for the style of mouse Apple produces, but maybe it's not for everyone.
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post #65 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Is that for real or Apple spin?

Real. I've been using laser mice for year. They are a million times better than optical. They will track on practically anything other than glass.
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post #66 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Yes... tactile feedback sucks. I guess that's why companies are working so hard to add tactile feedback to touch screens eh? And how exactly would a mouse without tracking work?

Just as a trackpad does.
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post #67 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

You spend that much a month on cable tv though, right?

More, and?
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post #68 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

I agree that there will be a certain amount of "retraining" and overcoming of inertia required, but such is the price of progress.

On the other hand, there will probably still be plenty of mice on the market that support other styles of mousing. Apple's mice clearly have tended to support a certain style of use, Microsoft's another, and other companies' one or more of their own. No one style will ever make anyone happy, which is why there's such a big aftermarket for input devices. I think this is an important advance for the style of mouse Apple produces, but maybe it's not for everyone.

Yup. I'm skeptical of the thin profile. But I'm certainly anxious to try it. I LOVE the swipe gesture on my MacBook Pro.
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post #69 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Just as a trackpad does.

Right. But then it would be a trackpad... not a mouse. No?
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post #70 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

It is a button.

How would you select a file without depressing, i.e., clicking, the mouse? How would you do it on a MacBook without pressing down on the trackpad?

Hmmm, I'm not at my Mac, and I guess it's become so natural that I don't even think about it, but I believe it's tap+hold for a second, which selects and "locks" the selection, then, drag, and tap again to drop.
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post #71 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Real. I've been using laser mice for year. They are a million times better than optical. They will track on practically anything other than glass.

Ok - I misread read it . It was comparing to optical. SO in other words its the exact same as the Apple Mouse ( sorry Mighty, I have to let you go).
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post #72 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

http://gizmodo.com/5387229/magic-mou...l-found-inside

Teckstud, Although I agree with you on the battery situation , I'll hold my opinion until I can actually work with one. I must say though, that to see 4 posts in 5 minutes makes me wonder if you're just trying to build up your post count or just no coffee yet and having trouble building a complete thought. just askin'

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post #73 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I never said I was poor.

haha .. great comeback ... I love the smell of humor in the morning!

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post #74 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

More, and?

You really don't have a clue what you respond to and what your own posts are about, do you?
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post #75 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Right. But then it would be a trackpad... not a mouse. No?

Well, it would be a touch input device. Trackpad, mouse, whatever, but I'm thinking of something with more the form factor of a mouse than a trackpad.
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post #76 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by floccus View Post

Except, how much added cost are all of those touch sensors? Stating that the price should be lower simply because the bluetooth chip is "low-cost" is pointless if everything else is a premium component (for now).

That circuit doesn't seem all that special, it's a flexible printed circuit bonded to a shell. It is custom, but I don't think it's an expensive part, pretty cheap in the volumes Apple is going to sell, including one with most iMacs sold. But Apple may set whatever price they like, there are alternative mice even though this is currently the only one of its kind.

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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

The only way to operate any mouse is to prop your fingertips on top and make them dance like a ballerina. How do you use your current scroll ball? Jedi mind tricks?

Why do you think there is only one good way to control the mouse?

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Originally Posted by Zandros View Post

You're definitely wrong. There are many people who don't palm their mouse.

But isn't it tiring to do this for hours at a time?
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post #77 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Teckstud, Although I agree with you on the battery situation , I'll hold my opinion until I can actually work with one. I must say though, that to see 4 posts in 5 minutes makes me wonder if you're just trying to build up your post count or just no coffee yet and having trouble building a complete thought. just askin'

No- the opposite- too much coffee. I don't even like counting posts. I am holding my opinion until I caress and stroke it today at lunch.
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post #78 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

You really don't have a clue what you respond to and what your own posts are about, do you?

Me? Did you read the post I was responding to? What does my cable bill have to do with pre-ordering a mouse I haven't read a full review of nor even touched?
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post #79 of 130
10/22/09 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Gizmodo is great.


Yea, they appeal to all the "negative nellies" Note to all complainers: have any of you actually used it yet ... When I was born I thought my penis was a POS ... all it did was soil my diapers ... but then, magically, when I got to be older and wiser I actually got to know what a great piece of equipment it was ... I 'll hold off on my judgment of magic mouse until I experience it for myself.

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10/22/09 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Yea, they appeal to all the "negative nellies" Note to all complainers: have any of you actually used it yet ... When I was born I thought my penis was a POS ... all it did was soil my diapers ... but then, magically, when I got to be older and wiser I actually got to know what a great piece of equipment it was ... I 'll hold off on my judgment of magic mouse until I experience it for myself.

Well then will you stop sipping, put down that Koolatra brew and get on with it? [/quote]

Maybe he'll do that when you take off your aluminum foil hat.
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