or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Mossberg: Apple's iMac, MacBook 'evolutionary, not revolutionary'
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Mossberg: Apple's iMac, MacBook 'evolutionary, not revolutionary' - Page 2

post #41 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by auxlepli View Post

Not me. I would cringe, no check that, I would convulse uncontrollably, spasm into shock, and probably die if I ever had to buy a cheap PC running Windows.
Example: November 2008, I checked out a Best Buy and finally saw a netbook. They looked fairly interesting. Later, this past March, I finally considered buying a netbook since I frequently travel. I checked several stores and was disappointed I couldn't find any with Linux. So I didn't buy one. Instead I bought an iPod touch. I can do just about everything I wanted to do with that that I could've with a netbook. It also syncs with my Mac, it is smaller, and it was cheaper than a netbook.
One more tidbit. So I was recently at an airport going through security. One of the ladies says to me, after seeing my 12-inch PowerBook, "you must travel a lot. You're computer is smaller than everybody else's." I guess she hadn't seen a netbook.

That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.
post #42 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Revolutionary - please. And why hasn't Jony Ive understood yet that a desktop screen needs a vertical adjustment - not just an angle swing. For god's sake - GET IT RIGHT!

Oh, well, he and Steve do that, the glass screens, no BR just to annoy you personally. You should see them, sitting there at Steve's house, slapping their thighs, right now.
post #43 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Booga View Post

He's reviewing this for customers, not investors, making lower prices definitely a desirable industry trend. Customers seem to agree, as Apple sells much fewer percentage of desktops as most other companies, which points to a weakness in their desktop line compared to their laptop one.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/10/19results.html

Over 3 million Macs sold and record revenue and envious profit margins. If Mossberg is attempting to bring some sort of devils advocate angle to Mac sales it's not working. Apple's clientele has always been those who prefer premium product versus "Bargain Basement". Apple's delivering pricing and featuresets that have attracted more Mac users than ever. The numbers aren't there to support Mossberg's assertion that the trend is "Bargain Basement". HP, Dell and Lenovo would LOVE to be in Apple's position.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel001 View Post

I quite like Mossberg, but he comes out with this 'evolutionary, not revolutionary' all the time. Does he expect Apple and others reinvent the computer market every time they update their line?

Mossberg's job as a tech writer is to tell us what would have made the iMacs revolutionary. He keeps yammering on about Evolutionary/Revolutionary but never clarifies any further.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Revolution is a one time event, after that it's evolution. For example microchip was a revolution and after that it evolved year after year.

iMac G4 was revolutionary and these iMac are evolutionary. There is nothing wrong about it.

I agree with this. I think the Multitouch mouse is revolutionary and could change input devices. It's a nice hybrid product.
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
post #44 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I am in the Apple store5th Avenue using the 27"iMac with its Magic MOuse. The screen has way too much glare. As I've stated many times- the larger the screen the more glare- especially when viewing at such a short distance. The Mouse- meh? too small for my big hands
Off to see the MacBook now- the best in show.


Teck. ... In my case, a 3 year old 24" iMac, any glare seems to come from the enclosure, rather than the screen. For instance, with a window to my left and another one left and slightly behind me, I can catch reflection/glare in the "chin" portion and in the 1" border around my iMac, but as I swivel machine, causing reflection/glare to appear in screen ... it disappears ... gets washed out by AI website colors. To be fair, the weather today is typical "Vancouver" weather (either raining or about to rain) so I'll have to pay closer attention ... should the sun ever come out again.
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #45 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Oh, well, he and Steve do that, the glass screens, no BR just to annoy you personally. You should see them, sitting there at Steve's house, slapping their thighs, right now.

Now that's funny
post #46 of 128
Part of the switch to Intel meant that new Macs would no longer be major news - and that's a good thing. Notice how new Macs are generally not deserving of special events anymore, unless the hardware is really compelling (e.g. unibody laptops). x86 has allowed Apple produce an innovation cycle they can count on. Keynotes are now reserved for software innovations and true hardware surprises.
post #47 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morky View Post

Part of the switch to Intel meant that new Macs would no longer be major news - and that's a good thing. Notice how new Macs are generally not deserving of special events anymore, unless the hardware is really compelling (e.g. unibody laptops). x86 has allowed Apple produce an innovation cycle they can count on. Keynotes are now reserved for software innovations and true hardware surprises.

Sounds like your dissin' the Mouse.
post #48 of 128
Ok, so personally I don't understand the deal with Walt's comments. I mean, obviously the MacBook is nothing to go crazy about- no infared remote, no battery indicator light, no firewire. If you wanted a MacBook, and were waiting for the new ones, you'll likely find an old one somewhere else. You're not going to say "Oh, I'm glad I waited!". Yet that seemed to be more positive from Walt, with regard to the battery... I mean, whatever. My MacBook now gets about 5 hours and that's fine. I wouldn't sacrifice the FireWire for a little better battery... I'd say that Apple should charge about $850 for the new Macbook. Students aren't "Pros," but they'll need a remote control for presentations in class... so it doesn't make sense.

Moving to the new iMacs. Those ARE in my opinion revolutionary. They have more screen real estate, HD display, finally have Target Screen Mode, desktop graphics processors (a first for the iMac), and have 2 TB hard drives. Those are all HUGE changes, especilly the processor! I don't understand! I have never wanted an iMac... I've just wanted a MacBook Pro... but now I would love to buy BOTH, and have the iMac as a display for the MacBook Pro, and then when not plugged in, just use it for playing movies and stuff. Perfect plan! Revolutionary in my opinion!

The mouse is cool, but functions the exact same as the previous one did, just with no ball. The only difference in functionality is the 2 finger swipe, which is unneccesary and hard to control. The only thing that I might buy the mouse for is if it has better accuracy. Currently, with my MacBook, there's not been an accurate enough mouse for graphic editing. Even the mouse on my computer at work has better accuracty- on a PC.
post #49 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by daehl View Post

Too bad that Apple isn't following the pricing "Trend", because consumers are. Loyal Apple customers who know the value still cringe when they see capable PCs for half the price. No, they're not a Mac, but in today's economy, price matters! ...especially if Apple wants their growth trend to continue to accelerate.

The day Apple starts following the "Trend" is the day they start having losses, reduce R&D spending, and eventually stop "evolving" or "revolutionizing" to become just another PC manufacturer.

They have already increased their products' value a lot over the past couple of years. They have gotten better and cheaper. They don't have to keep cutting margin forever, and it's not just for profit reasons. Their products are better in almost every sense (OS, security, ease of use, durability, design, environment, efficiency and so on). We have grown to depend so much on our computers, iPhones etc., it is obviously desirable that we have the best possible experience during the countless hours we spend using them. Whathever else do people prefer to spend their "frail economy" money on? Expensive food, designer clothes?

No, they are buying more Macs during the recession. They are realizing where value is and making the best purchases, not the cheapest ones. For me, the value of my new iMac starts much ahead of the 1,199 I paid for it. It's all about priorities...
Help kill Adobe's Flash. Complain to websites using it. Join YouTube's HTML5 beta (http://www.youtube.com/html5)
Reply
Help kill Adobe's Flash. Complain to websites using it. Join YouTube's HTML5 beta (http://www.youtube.com/html5)
Reply
post #50 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Booga View Post

He's reviewing this for customers, not investors, making lower prices definitely a desirable industry trend. Customers seem to agree, as Apple sells much fewer percentage of desktops as most other companies, which points to a weakness in their desktop line compared to their laptop one.

There is an old saying among accountants and lawyers ... "Figures lie and liars figure, and the numbers will say whatever I want them to say!"

Where you see: "Apple sells much fewer percentage of desktops as most other companies" and portray that as "a weakness in their desktop line compared to their laptop one.". .... I see the same stats and see that as Apple having a superior lap top line. When you consider that Apple had a 17% increase in Mac sales last quarter (3.05 million macs sold) and the rest of the industry not reporting similar profits, not to mention Apple having better customer satisfaction surveys. Well .... with apologies to Winston Churchill, .... some chicken .... some neck. (look it up)
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #51 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by ross.alex.k View Post

My MacBook now gets about 5 hours and that's fine. I wouldn't sacrifice the FireWire for a little better battery... I'd say that Apple should charge about $850 for the new Macbook. Students aren't "Pros," but they'll need a remote control for presentations in class... so it doesn't make sense.

Students will use their iPhones or iPod Touches for presentations, and will hardly ever need Firewire.
Help kill Adobe's Flash. Complain to websites using it. Join YouTube's HTML5 beta (http://www.youtube.com/html5)
Reply
Help kill Adobe's Flash. Complain to websites using it. Join YouTube's HTML5 beta (http://www.youtube.com/html5)
Reply
post #52 of 128
The new iMac and macbook have the most technologically-advanced displays in the world. Also, they have the most innovative new architectures inside of them. Including Mac OS X.6.2!!! This is APPLE we are talking about here, the makers of the iPhone and macbook.

Anybody who does NOT think the new iterations are the most revolutionary technology ever, are frankly, retarded.
Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

Ste...
Reply
Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

Ste...
Reply
post #53 of 128
So sick of revolutionary vs evolutionary.

If you are in a constant state of revolution, you are by definition just going in circles

If you are on essentially the right path do you really need to change course and cause a revolution? Wouldnt it be a ton smarter to refine what you are already doing well? (hint:evolution)
post #54 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Mossberg the Moron.

These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.

I,m a fan of all things Mac ... but let's not be so quick to overuse the word "revolutionary." I think the biggest "hurdle" for Apple is their ability to keep raising the bar. They have introduced several revolutionary products in their history, perhaps more than any other company. Now we all expect them to do it with every release. ... That's just not realistic, how often can they "re-invent the wheel"? Mossberg should realize this and be less dramatic in his writing.
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #55 of 128
The problem with the term 'evolutionary' is that it is not quantified. Evolution does not take place in evenly spaced steps, and IMO the new iMac is a big step forward. The fact that Apple has used (probably been compelled to use by Intel's update cycle) desktop CPUs is significant. They have had to design a new cooling system to accommodate it, and and so will presumably stick with the desktop version for future iterations. The consequent saving can be used on other components, and we can see that in the quality of the screen. Although they are not branding it as such, the top of the range is pretty much an iMac Pro, fantastic for prosumers, and no doubt it will find its way into many professional situations as well.

I think this update has redefined the iMac line, and I reckon it's going to be a big success.
Believe nothing, no matter where you heard it, not even if I have said it, if it does not agree with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha
Reply
Believe nothing, no matter where you heard it, not even if I have said it, if it does not agree with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha
Reply
post #56 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Anybody who does NOT think the new iterations are the most revolutionary technology ever, are frankly, retarded.

I am definitely retarded, then. And you must be, what, 14 years old? When you say 'most revolutionary technology' - what exactly do you mean? I think the unibody aluminum design represented a revolution in laptop casing design and production, but it didn't make the first MBP featuring that design revolutionary in itself.
post #57 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by daehl View Post

I totally agree with Walt on this one. Apple needs to reduce the prices.

Too bad that Apple isn't following the pricing "Trend", because consumers are. Loyal Apple customers who know the value still cringe when they see capable PCs for half the price. No, they're not a Mac, but in today's economy, price matters! ...especially if Apple wants their growth trend to continue to accelerate.

Judging by what's going on in the marketplace, record profits, record growth, best quarter ever time and time again ... I'd have to say that the buying public does not exactly "share your opinion", not that there's anything wrong with that.
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #58 of 128
Going by the correct definition, of course all of these product introductions are 'evolutionary', including the Magic Mouse. The original mouse created by Xerox PARC was revolutionary, all mice that follow are evolutions and improvements on the original. Regardless, these are fine product upgrades and very welcome. I'm sensing a purchase in the very near future...

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #59 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I like Mossberg, but I take exception of his contention that the new iMacs are evolutionary and not revolutionary.

Nope he is pretty much correct in his choice of words for the hardware. Snow Leopard might be seen as more revolutionary if it is successful in moving software to wider adoption of parallel processing.
Quote:

If, as many of the early reviews bear out, i.e., the new iMacs could well cause a resurgence of desktop sales and displace the current trend to the mobile platform, that in itself could be considered 'revolutionary'.

Replacing a crap computer with a highly salable one is not revolutionary at all. It is more like finally waking up to the fact that sales are in the tank because you have an overpriced crap machine.

The new iMacs are an incredibly good value now, especially with the I series CPUs. The only thing missing is a Nvidia GPU.
Quote:

In addition, the suggestion of using them as an external display for DisplayPort devices and the new iMac display's IPS screen technology for HDTV-style viewing via a wall mount, could, in fact, help endorse Mossberg's declaration to the contrary.

Would you mind rewriting that in clear English?

All we are really getting here is a far better value than normal from Apple. I call that adjusting to market forces. Whatever it actually is these new iMacs are a great value.
Quote:

But, perhaps Mossberg is more of a god than I believe him to be. Only time will tell.

What is the matter with you? He is only a well educated person trying to offer up balanced reporting. Frankly he is surprisingly good and credible at his attempts.
Quote:
As for following the industry trend toward bargain-basement prices, thank goodness. Obviously, he has missed the same competitors' trend towards bargain basement offerings and services.

Again I don't know what you are saying here. In any event the price on the iMacs is extremely competitive. The Mac Book isn't that bad either.

But think about this a bit, these are prices right before the Christmas shopping season. If (it is a big if) Apple has trouble moving Mac Books they have all sorts of room to adjust prices. Or more importantly for certain segments of the consummer market they can have a sale.

Besides all of that, with respect to the Mac Book, are people comparing computers of equal quality? This is very important because I don't see a huge gap in prices when similar hardware is compared. Yeah Apple is a little bit more expensive most of the time but not grossly so.
Quote:

I should also like to add, that Mossberg should perhaps follow his own edict and begin to provide more value for his services. Otherwise, his appearance here could be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

In his industry your value is determined by the number of readers that search out your materials. Since this guy seems to be well respected I suspect his employer puts a high value on him. What is notable here is that many in this thread would be living on bread and water if they tried to make a living in the public eye like Mossberg does.



Dave
post #60 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbee View Post

I,m a fan of all things Mac ... but let's not be so quick to overuse the word "revolutionary." I think the biggest "hurdle" for Apple is their ability to keep raising the bar. They have introduced several revolutionary products in their history, perhaps more than any other company. Now we all expect them to do it with every release. ... That's just not realistic, how often can they "re-invent the wheel"? Mossberg should realize this and be less dramatic in his writing.

Yes, good points. I think the original Mac was revolutionary, because it brought graphical user interfaces to the general public. (Despite the fact that it wasn't the first implementation of them.) The iPhone was revolutionary because it completely changed the phone market, but, it only became truly revolutionary after it evolved into its second iteration. Changing to Intel CPUs and even Mac OS X aren't, to my mind, definitively revolutionary; well the former not at all. GCD and OpenCL may prove to be revolutionary. Nor the unibody MBPs, or even the original or subsequent iMacs: all evolutionary.

The error in Mr. Mossberg's prose lies in the confusion of evolutionary and revolutionary as mutually exclusive. The former simply means based on what came before, the latter means something that changes things significantly. Something, like the original Mac, can be both. Of course the new iMacs are evolutionary, and whether they are revolutionary in some way is yet to be seen. Perhaps they won't be, but that doesn't mean they aren't a major step up for that product line.
post #61 of 128
As far as I know, at the moment, the type of processor in the I series has not been verified. They could very well be I series Lynnfield. This is a semi mobile processor if you ask me. By this I mean it still uses to much power for most laptops even if Intel calls it a mobile.

Hopefully positive verification can be had soon.


Dave
post #62 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by daehl View Post

That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.

No. I'm not arguing.
I gave you my opinion, and then described my experiences. You're prediction that Apple is headed in the wrong direction for not having relatively inexpensive computers might be right. However that's the future, and tomorrow never knows. However given Apple's recent earnings report it seems to me the company is headed in the right direction, but I don't know for certain, and neither do you.
post #63 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by macshark View Post

It is kind of funny to see all these iMac wannabes introduced today.

Interestingly enough, none of them have a 27" screen with 2560x1440 resolution or a multi-touch mouse. Many of them have touch displays. If the trend catches on, companies that sell display cleaning kits and chiropractors who treat neck and shoulder problems will see their business grow...


Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #64 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.

It seems most people think the future of computing should be based off movies from Philip K. Dick books, so I don’t the idea of a large upright touchscreen display for everyday computing will go away anytime soon.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #65 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Mossberg the Moron.

These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.

I bet you say that every time Apple updates a product, don't you?
post #66 of 128
On another note, David Pogue of the New York Times raves today about Windows 7.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/te...h/22pogue.html

Sorry to be the purveyor of such bad news.
I know, he's a Moron too, but I thought y'all'd like to see it anyways.
post #67 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by daehl View Post

Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign.

Sorry but Macs are indeed Lexus and BMWs. And that is not a bad thing. If you think all you pay for when you purchase a BMW is ornamentation then you are quite mistaken. The successful luxury carmakers not only pay more attention and spend more money on visual and ergonomic design, they also develop and incorporate leading edge technology. All the fancy gizmos and features that are now taken for granted in non-lux cars were first introduced by the luxury carmakers. You name it. GPS, DSP stereos, auto climate control, ABS brakes, stability control, on-board computers etc.

And yes Steve Jobs himself has compared Apple's place in the market to BMW. Why do you think Apple is doing well in a recession? Like BMW, Apple is an aspirational brand. People are willing to pay more for a nicer looking computer, built using better materials AND with much better performance than "non-luxury" computers. Unlike BMW though, Apple's entry fee is way, way less than 40 thousand dollars.
post #68 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Mossberg the Moron.

These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.

Yeah he stuck in Microsoft World with Windows 7 so forget him and move on.
post #69 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by markb View Post

If you are in a constant state of revolution, you are by definition just going in circles

Exactly. It's like when things are said to "turn a corner." Do that a few times and you are back where you started.
post #70 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

On another note, David Pogue of the New York Times raves today about Windows 7.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/te...h/22pogue.html

Sorry to be the purveyor of such bad news.
I know, he's a Moron too, but I thought y'all'd like to see it anyways.

"Raves"? (Look it up).
post #71 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by paxman View Post

For a personal computer to be revolutionary it needs to do something like operate by thought.

Oh my Mac operates by thought. I think about what I want to do and my thoughts are magically translated into hand and finger gestures which manipulate the keyboard and mouse and voila! the computer has just obeyed my thoughts! Neat, huh?
post #72 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by daehl View Post

Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign. One of their prior CEOs (Gil Amelio) compared Macs to Mag-lites, and he didn't last long after that.

Macs are general consumer electronics devices. Their not hand crafted and don't offer porter service. I happen to think their technology is (and has been) generally superior to PCs, but I know that's not the case in all situations. But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product. But they are by no means luxury items. And I don't expect to pay a premium for their name either. They use many of the exact same componants as PCs and still charge a premium for them (check their custom config pricing, their RAM & HD prices are above competition and offer no advantages whatsoever).

So yes, while I'm glad my Apple stock is going up, I want it to CONTINUE to go up through more wide stream adoption and an increase in market share, and lower prices will help play a role in that continued success.


I find it interesting that you state: "But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product". So Im wondering how you then say: They use many of the exact same componants as PCs. .... I'm guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce. You should check out the use of those components ,( i.e., design) of Mac products. That's why they retain their inherent value as they do.

As well, as a professional, surely you must realize that quality and low prices are not "two fingers of the same glove" ... better stick to graphic design.
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #73 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

"Raves"? (Look it up).

Hey I'm from NYC - what do you expect?
post #74 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbee View Post

I,m guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce.

Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."
post #75 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

Nope he is pretty much correct in his choice of words for the hardware. Snow Leopard might be seen as more revolutionary if it is successful in moving software to wider adoption of parallel processing.

Replacing a crap computer with a highly salable one is not revolutionary at all.

I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.

However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.

If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.
post #76 of 128
Not sure I agree about the iMac not being revolutionary, especially the 27" model. The ability to do double duty as a TV (finally) is pretty impressive and I hope improvements to both Front Row and Apple TV are on their way. All they've done with the Macbook is differentiate it further from the Pro line by removing some useful ports, improving the enclosure somewhat, but not lowering the price. I wonder when the cheaper models will come? I also think they should have added an SD card slot to be honest.
post #77 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.

However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.

If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.

The only earth shaterring change has been the mouse.

The look?- same, just different proportions. Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.
The best change is its back- gone is the yucky black plastic Dell look now a nice unibody aluminum. ( I feel for those that are stuck with that plastic black back model)
The insides? just using what's already out there. missing Blu-ray and missing Blu-ray

What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme- NO MATTE OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mouse that works with a large hand.
Oh - and Blu-ray.
post #78 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.

I could have sworn that 16:10 was the computer dispaly standard these days with the previous standard being 4:3. I wonder what land of make believe that 16:9 was the standard monitor ratio for COMPUTERS.


Quote:
What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme.
A mouse that works with a large hand.
Oh - and Blu-ray.

You heard it here folks. Teckstud wants the displays to be glossy to the extreme.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #79 of 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."

Couldn't myself have said it better! haha
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
Apple is not Appl ...... Please learn the difference!    
Reply
post #80 of 128
I agree with mossberg. They are great new products, but I expected these things to come sooner or later. It's not a shock...

Although the new Magic Mouse is great.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Mac Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Mossberg: Apple's iMac, MacBook 'evolutionary, not revolutionary'