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post #121 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:00pm
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Oh right- I forgot no retail store has ever posted large pictures of their products on their walls before. Does Apple own a copyright on that? GAP anyone?

Teck, the copying going on here is blatant. MS' intent here is painfully obvious. MS has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Apple, and it's affecting their every move. It's as if they've lost the capacity for original thought.

MS is absolutely obsessed with Apple's rise. Ballmer can't stop talking about them. It's going to manifst itself physically, and it ha been for years. This store is just another example of it, and a bizzarely obvious one at that.
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post #122 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:02pm
Even if you knew nothing about the history or the products, you would only have to look at the Microsoft logo and the Apple logo to know which one is the quality company.
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post #123 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:03pm
Has any pundit expressed that this may be a bad move for MS the same way they expressed it was a bad move for Apple to open up retail stores?
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post #124 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:04pm
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how does best buy make profits selling and servicing other manufacturers computers?

By overcharging the ignorant.

Wait, you have a valid point! That's EXACTLY how MS has made profits since its inception!

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post #125 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

i hope they get sued and lose millions for copying

Its like telling a billionaire that he lose USD$10,000 in gamble, millions do not affect MS at all. Just look at the fines and lawsuits there had to pay in past.

Majority of companies have a war-chest for such issues, which is part of the overall operating budget for the company each year.
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post #126 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:05pm
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how does best buy make profits selling and servicing other manufacturers computers?

Yes, but that's not the only thing they sell. They have big ticket items and lots of high velocity smaller items also.

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post #127 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:06pm
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Teck, the copying going on here is blatant. MS' intent here is painfully obvious. MS has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Apple, and it's affecting their every move. It's as if they've lost the capacity for original thought.

MS is absolutely obsessed with Apple's rise. Ballmer can't stop talking about them. It's going to manifst itself physically, and it ha been for years. This store is just another example of it, and a bizzarely obvious one at that.

Retail takes a big effort. We will see if MS has heart to carry it through.

Apple has the "all built in one house" advantage. All their products take design cues off of one another. Aluminum and glass is a big thing for them right now. Easy for them to get the whole experience thing going. MS has improved in that respect but they still do not really control the hardware.

They just cannot get that seamless experience. Makes me wonder if MS will try to design their own PC's.

That would be a real set of balls there. They know what their hardware partners margins are.

MS would not be able to continue to live off the fat of Windows and office if they did.
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post #128 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:06pm
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Confined to the bottom-end, and falling.

MS' share is based on three things:

Ignorance, intertia, and universal licensing.

When you think "Premium", "desirable", "innovative", Apple comes to mind. And it's not by accident.

MS is just sad these days. Ballmer talks a big game about the R&D they're spending in the consumer sphere, but there's no evidence of it.

Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.
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post #129 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:07pm
I wonder how many of the people at the grand-opening of the MS store were paid actors...
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post #130 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

Nice to see you here, Steve Ballmer. Welcome to hell.

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post #131 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:08pm
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Teck, the copying going on here is blatant. MS' intent here is painfully obvious. MS has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Apple, and it's affecting their every move. It's as if they've lost the capacity for original thought.

MS is absolutely obsessed with Apple's rise. Ballmer can't stop talking about them. It's going to manifst itself physically, and it ha been for years. This store is just another example of it, and a bizzarely obvious one at that.

Quadra,

Microsoft's attempt at copying the Apple Retail Stores will be about as successful as their Zune was at copying the iPod. It will be a sad failure that Microsoft never admits to. They will keep the stores open, even at a loss, because they can afford to lose a little $$$ here or there more easily than they can afford the perception of failure. This tendency will ultimately be their undoing.

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post #132 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:09pm
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Don't kid yourself. Apple is very scary. Nokia has noticed it. Google has noticed it. Microsoft finally fired back in commercials.

You may (correctly) point out that Apple's market share is very small in everything (except MP3 players). The reason that Apple is scary, even with a small percentage, is that it has an impressive acceleration in market share. If they reach a certain "critical mass", then things can change quickly.

You would be a fool not to consider Apple a threat, and that's why you are seeing the 800 pound Guerillas (Nokia, Google, Microsoft) behaving the way they are.

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Scared is not a real word in the business world. One business is not scared of another. The fact that MS, Google and Apple realize that they have good competitions helps the end user in the long run. You know the saying competition breeds innovation.

Its good business to realize when you have solid competition. Its not about being scared its about being smart. Its safe to say that all the companies above have lasted because they are smart not scared.

I understand that might be a little do deep for some to follow.
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post #133 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Nice to see you here, Steve Ballmer. Welcome to hell.

Apple should just shut down the company and give the money back to the shareholders.
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post #134 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by jeff_b View Post

Extremeskater -

No need for the snotty attitude on Apple customers seeking assistance from the Genius Bar. Apple's solution for excellent, in-store support is now being copied by Microsoft's "Guru Bar". Both companies see that traditional over-the-phone support is often insufficient. I'm curious to see how many customers are turned away at Microsoft's "Guru Bar" due to 3-party software and hardware issues which the in-store techs cannot fix.

As far as Apple and the "It Just Works" slogan, many of the customers come in for general questions, or perhaps they dropped or damaged their equipment. Short of building computers made of concrete, electronics are inherently subject to damage.

Okay lets for a min say that are copying. Why do we care? If we like Apple products then we should simply use them. If like some of what MS does then we should use them. I don't see any benefit in bitching everytime MS does something. Its pathetic.
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post #135 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:11pm
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Quadra,

Microsoft's attempt at copying the Apple Retail Stores will be about as successful as their Zune was at copying the iPod. It will be a sad failure that Microsoft never admits to. They will keep the stores open, even at a loss, because they can afford to lose a little $$$ here or there more easily than they can afford the perception of failure. This tendency will ultimately be their undoing.

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We all look forward to seeing droves of upset PC fans bearing virus-laden computers lining up for a shot at the Gurus. It's gonna be one heck of a show.

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post #136 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:12pm
Seriously, MS does not have an original thought in their collective noggins......if it wasn't so blatant, it would be commical....this truly is Ballamer's last stand (Sorry Custer!)
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post #137 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

If you believe that the computer is nothing more than the sum of the hardware, then you are correct.

If you believe that the computer is the sum of the hardware and software, then you are sorely mistaken. I am definitely willing to pay more to run all platforms (Linux, MS, and Mac OS X) simultaneously, with the Mac OS as the daily interface. Can't do that on any hardware other than a MAcintosh. A premium experience, if ever there was one.

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post #138 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:13pm
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Yeah, I mean, Apple invented retail stores right?

Of course Apple invented everything.
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post #139 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

You are one providing the BS, since MS, Dell, Apple, Lenevo etc., all talk about 'premium market' in their shareholder meetings and providing feedback to analysts and investors.

Additionally every Tech reviewer uses the same terminology. Do not hate the player, just hate the game!

Maybe you need to read these links:

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009...ter_market.php

http://www.pcworld.com/article/16896...er_market.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...et-in-june.ars
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post #140 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:14pm
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Its not chest thumping its just a simply fact.

And 90% of the food service market can likely be attributed to fast food chains. It doesn't make the quality of the food any better, it just speaks to people's desire for the cheapest products (and tendency to buy whatever they happen upon without any product research). No matter how much headache those products cause for them (long term health problems in the case of food).

In my eyes, marketshare means far less than quality workmanship.
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post #141 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:15pm
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Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

Those milled aluminium MBP chassis seem more premium than the cheap plastic cases of other vednors. Their mutitouch trackpad and mouse seems more premium than the simple single touch trackpads and simple mice of other vendors. The IPS displays with LED-backlighting seems mroe premium than the LCD-backlighting and TN displays of other vendors AIOs. I have to say I will never buy another notebook that doesnt have a backlit keyboard, I havent seen that on a $400 notebook yet. The Magsafe power adapter surely has saved more than a few repairs for people. The silent fans, PVC and mercury free components seem like premium components over noisy fans and environmentally unfriendly materials. The feel of the glass trackpad and Apple keyboards is more comfortable than on other machines.
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post #142 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:15pm
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Nice to see you here, Steve Ballmer. Welcome to hell.

You're just sad. While I'm not a fan of Steve Ballmer its very safe to say he is a much of a loser as SJ is a control freak. Next time you post try to at least offer a real opinion.
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post #143 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:18pm
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We all look forward to seeing droves of upset PC fans bearing virus-laden computers lining up for a shot at the Gurus. It's gonna be one heck of a show.

Are you really that brainwashe to believe that PC users really have that much of an issue with viruses these days? So many users are running 64bit systems. I haven't had a virus in about 7 years. Your like a 1980 Apple Ad.
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post #144 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:20pm
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Scared is not a real word in the business world. One business is not scared of another. The fact that MS, Google and Apple realize that they have good competitions helps the end user in the long run. You know the saying competition breeds innovation.

Its good business to realize when you have solid competition. Its not about being scared its about being smart. Its safe to say that all the companies above have lasted because they are smart not scared.

I understand that might be a little do deep for some to follow.

Don't start getting all pedantic on me. You know what I meant. Better yet, you know what YOU meant when you used the word "scared" FIRST in the thread above. Within the context that it appeared, you were implying that Apple was beneath Microsoft's concern. It is in THAT context where I disagree.

Call it concern, call it being aware, wary, cautious, whatever. Pick whatever word you want, instead of "scared", and in my opinion the context you placed it in was completely wrong. Apple is coming on like gangbusters, and Microsoft needs to be very aware.

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post #145 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:20pm
I could see this happening "Look mom now we can come visit the store that crashes every 10 minutes and witness it on the largest wall of lcd panels ever".

LOL

Apple is loving this I am sure.
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10/22/09 at 1:20pm
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Are you really that brainwashe to believe that PC users really have that much of an issue with viruses these days? So many users are running 64bit systems. I haven't had a virus in about 7 years. Your like a 1980 Apple Ad.

I have not had flu in 15 years, but that does not mean millions of people do not suffer from Flu every year.
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post #147 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:21pm
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Teck, the copying going on here is blatant. MS' intent here is painfully obvious. MS has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Apple, and it's affecting their every move. It's as if they've lost the capacity for original thought.

MS is absolutely obsessed with Apple's rise. Ballmer can't stop talking about them. It's going to manifst itself physically, and it ha been for years. This store is just another example of it, and a bizzarely obvious one at that.

Haven't you ever heard that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"?
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post #148 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:21pm
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We all look forward to seeing droves of upset PC fans bearing virus-laden computers lining up for a shot at the Gurus. It's gonna be one heck of a show.

I wonder how locked the PCs being demoed in the store will be locked down and if they will have internet access like in Apple stores. I dont think there is any locking to the Macs in the Apple Stores, but think that Win7 will have to be locked down hard in order to prevent people from loading viruses.
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post #149 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:22pm
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Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

I find Apples build quality to be a fair bit better than most PC's on the market.

Lots of plastic in the PS space. Lots of aluminum in glass in the Mac lineup.

Also the attention to detail. The way stuff fits together. The way the ports are built into the computer. I don't see flimsy shit, flippy flappy port covers and that kind of stuff. Just looks like care was given to what they were trying to achieve.

You can't expect that with low margin PC stuff.

And like what was said above, the software experience is also a big factor. The way iLife works so well.
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10/22/09 at 1:23pm
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Has any pundit expressed that this may be a bad move for MS the same way they expressed it was a bad move for Apple to open up retail stores?

MS fanboys.. chaaaaaaaaarge

I love how they claim Apple is not a threat and Apple is doomed but they keep coming here and criticize everything Apple does but when MS do the same thing it will become the smart thing.
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post #151 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:23pm
Well let's see... does it have the appearance of a blatant copy of the Apple store paradigm? You bet.

Did Apple come up with the idea of a botique store for electronics? Nope.

Microsoft is like a sports team that won several championships and built a dynasty, but now the rest of the league has figured out their strategy and the wins aren't coming anymore. The old strategy stuck for a while thinking the losses were fluke, but it's now obvious that something new has to be tried.

This store concept, and Windows 7, is the equivalent of a team rebuild. Microsoft is losing the young consumers to Apple products and they must work to regain MIND-share more so than MARKET-share at this point, because today's college laptop users are tomorrow's large company purchase decision makers.
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10/22/09 at 1:24pm
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Don't start getting all pedantic on me. You know what I meant. Better yet, you know what YOU meant when you used the word "scared" FIRST in the thread above. Within the context that it appeared, you were implying that Apple was beneath Microsoft's concern. It is in THAT context where I disagree.

Call it concern, call it being aware, wary, cautious, whatever. Pick whatever word you want, instead of "scared", and in my opinion the context you placed it in was completely wrong. Apple is coming on like gangbusters, and Microsoft needs to be very aware.

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Apple is so beneath MS that that Im sure this store idea was a coincidence, just like aspects of Win7 looking like OS X and how the Zune concept was a coincidence. Im sure Extremeskater and the other troll boy believe that.
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post #153 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:25pm
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I don't really see it as being a big bang for the buck either but what gets annoying is everytime MS does something people spout off they are scared of Apple or copying Apple which is a joke.

Apple spends just as much money trying to combat MS. So maybe they are the ones that are scared. God forbid anyone say that. Lets remember who has 90% of the OS market.

I'd rather have the market-share of the percentage of population with a brain and trace of intelligence within it than the 90%.
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10/22/09 at 1:25pm
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Okay lets for a min say that are copying. Why do we care? If we like Apple products then we should simply use them. If like some of what MS does then we should use them. I don't see any benefit in bitching everytime MS does something. Its pathetic.

I agree with this sentiment. I have no problem with Microsoft emulating the formula that has made Apple one of the most successful retailers on the planet (and number one by revenue per square foot metric). If they are bound and determined to enter the retail experience at all, they would be foolish not to learn from the best.

So rather than bitch, I am here to showcase my skills of prognostication: the MS stores will do well for a time, until the novelty wears off, and then they will be a loss leader. I will come back a year from now and say "I told you so."

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post #155 of 326
10/22/09 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

Tell that to the industry. The industry recognizes Apple as a Premium market player. Don't get all cooked over it because I'm just parroting facts.
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10/22/09 at 1:31pm
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Those milled aluminium MBP chassis seem more premium than the cheap plastic cases of other vednors. Their mutitouch trackpad and mouse seems more premium than the simple single touch trackpads and simple mice of other vendors. The IPS displays with LED-backlighting seems mroe premium than the LCD-backlighting and TN displays of other vendors AIOs. I have to say I will never buy another notebook that doesnt have a backlit keyboard, I havent seen that on a $400 notebook yet. The Magsafe power adapter surely has saved more than a few repairs for people. The silent fans, PVC and mercury free components seem like premium components over noisy fans and environmentally unfriendly materials. The feel of the glass trackpad and Apple keyboards is more comfortable than on other machines.

Apple used TN panels on their 20inch iMacs. Most vendors now offer backlit keyboards. Is milled AL better, maybe but I have never had a problem with any of my Sony or HP laptops. Most PC home users do not use AIO's because most PC users are not forced to pick between an AIO and a few notebook models. We have options.

Unless you are a tree hugger no one cares if their PC is environmentally friendly or not. All LED does is make the display thinner which most could care less about thin. That is an Apple obession.

This is what I consider Premium. I run with a 1200 watt power supply. A EVGA x58 3way sli motherboard. Intel Core i7 extreme edition 3.33ghz overclocked to 4.3ghz, 8gb corsair ddr 3, 1333 ram. Dual 285 nividia cards. Raid 5 with four hitachi drives. Oh and my keyboard is backlit thank god. Dual LG (Matte) 24" monitors.

My system can do anything I ask it to do and it can boot Vista x64 in 25sec.

Not every windows user has an 800.00 gateway computer or a netbook.

In no way am I saying that Apple doesn't have good products I own many of them myself and have for years but we all have our own opinion on what we consider Premium. Thats the only point I was trying to make.
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10/22/09 at 1:31pm
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Is it me or does Ballmer look like Peter Boyle from Young Frankenstein? "I am the monster!"
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10/22/09 at 1:31pm
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Are you really that brainwashe to believe that PC users really have that much of an issue with viruses these days? So many users are running 64bit systems. I haven't had a virus in about 7 years. Your like a 1980 Apple Ad.

I run a computer business in Los Angeles and I'd say about 95 percent of computers that come through my door are PC's running Windows, and they are laden with SPAM, adware, and spyware. Just the other day for 'stuff and giggles' I installed Windows on one of my partitions... didn't install an anti-virus program because I didn't plan on using the Windows side of my Mac all that often... two days later I open Internet Explorer and within a few hours of use I have around 30 popups randomly opening every few minutes. To say viruses aren't an issue for any computer is silly.
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10/22/09 at 1:31pm
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I have not had flu in 15 years, but that does not mean millions of people do not suffer from Flu every year.

Don't you just love anecdotal evidence that's assumed to have majority representation?
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10/22/09 at 1:33pm
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Are you really that brainwashe to believe that PC users really have that much of an issue with viruses these days? So many users are running 64bit systems. I haven't had a virus in about 7 years. Your like a 1980 Apple Ad.

Yeah, I guess all the personal and corporate PC users like paying money to McAfee, Norton, and other AV software vendors because they enjoy paying for things that do nothing.
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