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post #201 of 294
That's just creepy.
All those people with the same clothes as Apple Store's staff's ones, pretending to be happy hand slapping hands. When I saw those images (and video), I felt the same that when I saw images of the Olympic Flame in North Korea pretending to be rich, or during a Techno concert for over 60 y.o. people.
I'm scared

By the way, one of the reason I own a Mac is that there is an Apple store in my city so I have an outstanding technical support. Because Mac are nice to use, the hardware is great but let's face it, they get down like PCs do (especially laptops since electronic parts do not like being moved, shacked ...) I do not car about software support.
I don't see how those MS Store could offer such services since MS do not sell hardware (except from mouses and the Zune)
post #202 of 294
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Of course Apple invented everything.

Exactly the kind of mindless snark that makes everyone wonder where the hell you get off worrying about anyone else being a fanboy. Your defense of MS's efforts are foolish.

The stores are blatant copies of Apple's stores. Noticing that doesn't require anyone to believe that Apple invents everything, or that anything else anyone does is a copy of Apple, or any other straw-man bullshit you want to sling around to prop up your non-existent argument.

And "premium market", since you don't seem to know what the word means, is "high margin, high profit." Apple, despite having about 6% of PC industry revenues, get 25% of the profits. For the iPhone, it's even more pronounced: 8% of the revenue, 32% of the profits (and that's the numbers before the release of the 3Gs).

Now, I'm sure those figures will get you going about sheep being willing to throw their money at pretty, etc., but Apple is doing very, very well for itself by building machines that people are willing to pay more for, while the PC industry as a whole is drifting ever downwards into a near profit free commodity.

At this point Apple could buy every outstanding share of Dell just with their cash on hand. That's what premium means.
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post #203 of 294
I, for one, love to support a company that creates massive profits off my purchases
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post #204 of 294
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Confined to the bottom-end, and falling.

So basically you are saying 90% of market is bottom-end, and 10% (realistically 4%) are everything else..? That sounds a bit delusional (and I am really stretching my politeness here).

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When you think "Premium", "desirable", "innovative", Apple comes to mind. And it's not by accident.

Er... it comes to mind of whole 4% of world wide user base. To majority of the people I know, when you say Apple, what comes to mind is "overpriced", "limited", "underpowered". Best thing that comes is "fashionable" and "posh", but apparently only 4% of world-wide market like to relate such terms to computer gear.

I can't deny they really are doing much better with phones and players. Heck even I have an iPhone (and heck, no matter how I like it, "limited", "posh" and "fashionable" still comes to my mind).
post #205 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

Jerk - Was your city / country ever directly attacked like ours was?. We're still in the middle of a war for our beliefs. What does up there believe in besides Maple Syrup and the Queen?
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I do have to agree with you there as some of the comments that the hardcore fans have made make me cringe. I especially noticed it when some people were complaining that Apple kept the white macbook and the rumor that they might drop the price was horrifying to them. The attitude was that if you couldn't afford the then current price then you didn't need to be using a mac. Some people can't stand Apple evolving or making products beyond what a creative artist type user would want or even worse that if you want a feature that Apple does not offer then you are an idiot and should switch to Windows. That attitude is an epic fail and propagates the impression all mac users are snobs.

Can you believe the prior model MacBook is now - can you stand this- $899? It should discounted to $699.
post #207 of 294
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I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?

Yeah.. like they bought Yahoo?!
post #208 of 294
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I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?

1) Apple is a HW company first and foremost. They only sell there OS for there own PCs so trying to compare it to Windows which is available from pretty much every other PC vendor in the world is silly, at best. With HP with the most marketshare of 25%, Apple would have over 60% of all PC revenue while Windows would still have nearly 75% of the OS market. Apple would be the several fold wealthier than they are now. Its just not going to happen unless Apple changes there business model. Do that seem likely to you?

2) You act as if Apple cant get more OS marketshare form some mythical inability to license there OS, when they have clearly chosen not to as they are a PC company. Dell, HP and others wish they could have a viable OS. They tried to move Linux as an alternative to Windows. They failed. Maybe Googles ChromeOS will help those PC makers them on the cheap end, but doubtful.

3) Check out MS and Apples market cap. MS cant buy squat at Apple, nor would such a thing be allowed if it were possible. I think that Apple has a lot more cash on hand, too. MS and Apple could by Dell, though you have to understand that as soon as such an deal was rumoured Dells stock would skyrocket making it even more expensive. Oh yeah, there is a high probability that Apples market cap will exceed MS within two years based on current quarterly and trends. How bout them Apples?
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post #209 of 294
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Yeah.. like they bought Yahoo?!

Now that was good! I completely forgot about that.
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post #210 of 294
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1) Apple is a HW company first and foremost. They only sell there OS for there own PCs so trying to compare it to Windows which is available from pretty much every other PC vendor in the world is silly, at best. With HP with the most marketshare of 25%, Apple would have over 60% of all PC revenue while Windows would still have nearly 75% of the OS market. Apple would be the several fold wealthier than they are now. It’s just not going to happen unless Apple changes there business model. Do that seem likely to you?

2) You act as if Apple can’t get more OS marketshare form some mythical inability to license there OS, when they have clearly chosen not to as they are a PC company. Dell, HP and others wish they could have a viable OS. They tried to move Linux as an alternative to Windows. They failed. Maybe Google’s ChromeOS will help those PC makers them on the cheap end, but doubtful.

3) Check out MS and Apple’s market cap. MS can’t buy squat at Apple, nor would such a thing be allowed if it were possible. I think that Apple has a lot more cash on hand, too. MS and Apple could by Dell, though you have to understand that as soon as such an deal was rumoured Dell’s stock would skyrocket making it even more expensive. Oh yeah, there is a high probability that Apple’s market cap will exceed MS’ within two years based on current quarterly and trends. How ‘bout them Apples?

A typical slopsism post:
First you state it's silly to compare the two and then you do exactly that and then brag about it? LOONEY.
post #211 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

MS doesn't have to copy Apple. Remember MS is the one that owns 90% of the market. Just because a company decides to take an new direction doesn't mean they are always copying Apple, or scared of Apple. Apple isn't all that scary.

I don't think that you understand the psychology at play. It is because MS has the majority of the market that they do not need to not copy Apple. Simply diluting Apple's presence is perceived as a benefit to MS and doing so by copying their competition is the safest method.

In the end, who cares? Apple is hugely profitable and constantly innovating, there is no reason obvious to me why that shouldn't continue. The stores are innovative and have provided huge benefits to customers.

After all, the sincerest form of flattery... \
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post #212 of 294
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Apparently that is Microsoft Retail Logo.

I guess they want to differentiate their retail, consumer division from business oriented servers etc. division(s). Something like Toyota differentiates Lexus, or Nissan does with Infinity.

For many average consumers, MS is related to serious/complicated/not-fun-at-all! stuff like servers, networks, volume licensing, CALs... ek. So I can see plenty of reasons to separate retail from business as much as possible, if they want to persuade average user that this other Microsoft is all about fun, games, music, multimedia... you name it.

Did you see their new print campaign? Brilliant!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/bu...ia/22adco.html
post #213 of 294
"Opening day gift bags and concert tickets will be given away at the Microsoft Store beginning at 10AM. Gift bags will be given to the first 1,000 visitors. Concert tickets will be given to the first 1,000 visitors (limit 2 per person) and post concert autographs for the first 100 visitors."

"Pop superstar Ashley Tisdale will be performing live at 5PM to celebrate the Grand Opening of the store on Thursday, October 22."

I was expecting a free gift of a chocolate Zune player for everyone and a free copy of Win Vista Ultimate, too. No such luck. Quelle domage!
post #214 of 294
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I'm more intrigued by the insanely huge American flags in one of the shots. Is MS on some sort of super jingoistic GO-USA! charge or something? How odd.

Was thinking the same thing. It reeks of Balmer.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

Posts like this make me shake my head in disbelief.

Maybe MS just loves their country.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

A typical slopsism post:
First you state it's silly to compare the two and then you do exactly that and then brag about it? LOONEY.

Typical Teckstud post. FAILS TO COMPREHEND WHAT HE READS. www.rif.org

1) Stated that comparing OS marketshare is silly, that Apple is a PC vendor first and foremost

2) Stated that Apple chooses not to license OS, not that it’s not capable of it.

3) Compared the MS and Apple’s market

caps, not their OS marketshare. One day, I do hope you get to best me just so you don’t have to cry yourself to sleep one night. Now it’s time for you to ba-ba-ba-backtrack.
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post #217 of 294
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Typical Teckstud post. FAILS TO COMPREHEND WHAT HE READS. www.rif.org

1) Stated that comparing OS marketshare is silly, that Apple is a PC vendor first and foremost

2) Stated that Apple chooses not to license OS, not that it’s not capable of it.

3) Compared the MS and Apple’s market

caps, not their OS marketshare. One day, I do hope you get to best me just so you don’t have to cry yourself to sleep one night. Now it’s time for you to ba-ba-ba-backtrack.

Actually, I was just checking to see if you've continued reading my posts as opposed to practicising what you preach and have me on your ignore list.
So now you can see that actually I have bested you!

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Typical Teckstud post. FAILS TO COMPREHEND WHAT HE READS. www.rif.org

1) Stated that comparing OS marketshare is silly, that Apple is a PC vendor first and foremost

2) Stated that Apple chooses not to license OS, not that its not capable of it.

3) Compared the MS and Apples market

caps, not their OS marketshare. One day, I do hope you get to best me just so you dont have to cry yourself to sleep one night. Now its time for you to ba-ba-ba-backtrack.

just ignore it, it's a troll...
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post #219 of 294
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

Well that is so nice...you don't ever have to come here and you don't ever have to buy anything that is from distasteful America!! But if you are here then why would you want to live here so just leave...... after all we are such a distasteful America!!!!
Sorry i am as patriotic as they come! I have family that has DIED defending this country!!
If you don't like it leave! Don't buy American products like Apple or Microsoft.......They are so distasteful to you!
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Well that is so nice...you don't ever have to come here and you don't ever have to buy anything that is from distasteful America!! But if you are here then why would you want to live here so just leave...... after all we are such a distasteful America!!!!
Sorry i am as patriotic as they come! I have family that has DIED defending this country!!
If you don't like it leave! Don't buy American products like Apple or Microsoft.......They are so distasteful to you!
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microsoft has a new cloud computer center, with 40 something employees, three of which are microsoft employees. you can imagine who the rest of their employees are. that's how much they love america. i don't remember where the link is, you can google it.

do you think the flags are for the love of the us? come on don't be so naive...
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just ignore it, it's a troll...
always talks about flash player issues, glare issues, and random links...
really tired of it

He is on my ignore list, but as you know the post is just minimized, not completely removed. Ive opened his before by accident, but this last time was intentional. Its slow right now so I had a minute free slap him around a bit. I know I shouldnt be picking on the mental challenged but he makes it so easy.
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post #222 of 294
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Posts like this make me shake my head in disbelief.

Maybe MS just loves their country.

Where does he think Cupertino is located? China?


Oh NO !!!! Apple has a US flag!!!!!
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just ignore it, it's a troll...
always talks about flash player issues, glare issues, and random links...
really tired of it

No you're just tired- time to light you Kool pipe again. I post many a positive thing regarding Apple- you simply edit those out. Unfortunately the truth sometimes hurts.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Yeah that is pretty bad. However no quite as bad as being turned down by Verizon when you want to go into business with them.

Its questionable if Apple ever seriously courted them since Verizon would require a wonky CDMA phone. There is reason to believe it was done to scare AT&T into agreeing to Apples demands. Its a viable tactic.

When you consider what Apple got out of the AT&T deal its surprising that anyone agreed to their terms with no experience in the cell phone market. I recall more than few cellular vendors, other tech vendors and pundits stating how Apple was destined to fail in this entrenched, well developed market.
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post #225 of 294
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microsoft has a new cloud computer center, with 40 something employees, three of which are microsoft employees. you can imagine who the rest of their employees are. that's how much they love america. i don't remember where the link is, you can google it.

do you think the flags are for the love of the us? come on don't be so naive...

I don't care...I don't care how many different flags they had! So now how many different countries does Apple sell their products to? So now Microsoft should be condemned for their hiring practices?? Dude wake up! Do you know how many Technology jobs are going Offshore?

BUT when you compare America to Nazi Germany most Americans are going to get mad!
That was uncalled for!!!

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He is on my ignore list, but as you know the post is just minimized, not completely removed. I’ve opened his before by accident, but this last time was intentional. It’s slow right now so I had a minute free slap him around a bit. I know I shouldn’t be picking on the mental challenged but he makes it so easy.

The correct phrase is mentally challenged. Get with the program.
Are you peeking in and out behind your ignore list again???:

Now he sees me, now he doesn't. You're frightening me - stop!!!!
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I don't care...I don't care how many different flags they had! So now how many different countries does Apple sell their products to? So now Microsoft should be condemned for their hiring practices?? Dude wake up! Do you know how many Technology jobs are going Offshore?

BUT when you compare America to Nazi Germany most Americans are going to get mad!
That was uncalled for!!!

when did i compare america to nazi germany?
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I fully understand Apple is a hardware company the problem is Apple doesn't understand and that seeing most of their attack ads are pointed at MS which is a software company. Shouldn't they get geared towards HP or Dell?

Apple can't get more market share. Decades have proven that fact time and time again. In fact it was here in AI that stated 85% of all Apple users also have Windows system. The fact remains this is a Windows world and people need Windows to get real work done.

A few good quarters for Apple isnt exactly a trend. All it takes is one good health scare for SJ and your stock will be down to 83 dollars a share again. Apple stock has rebounded but that doesn't mean it can't go back down. I believe when it was that level before people were saying it was going to 250 and then 500. Instead it went to the mid 80's. I wouldn't go counting your Apples just yet.

You're wasting your time with that one. He thinks he's SJ's right ear.
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when did i compare america to nazi germany?

Gazoobee did. Give credit where credit is due.
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when did i compare america to nazi germany?

I didn't say you did. It was the post I was quoting from:

Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post
Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>

I think you just got caught in the middle........

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Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't have an article about Windows 7 being amazon's highest grossing preorder of all time. You know, just for the humor of it.

it's not a shock really. XP is way dated and Vista was crap. of course folks want to go for Win 7 when all the major reviewers are confirming it is a major improvement. and I for one am happy about that, cause winning isn't as much fun when the other side totally blows (it's too easy)

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Would you rather they have shirtless guys greeting you at the door like Abercrombie 2009?

nah, put them at the Guru bar, makes the bad news easier to deal with.

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Apple creates and arena and will only play in that arena. If they were that proud of their OS and felt that could support the many hardware options MS supports they would have done it a long time ago. Fact is they can't.

actually they can. they choose not to.


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... there is such a thing in the retail world known as trade dress and it extends to retail store design. Its a form of intellectual property.

Apple has probably known for a while what Microsoft was intending to do. That they didn't act implies that they aren't worried about the copying.

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Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

really? then why did the stock price go up $15-20 in 3 days with the products being released via a website update and a few videos, known of which show even a glimpse of Jobs.

could it be because of the products.

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I agree. It will be interesting to see if they can be profitable. Genius Bar visits are often warranty issues. I've had a graphics card and hard drive replaced in my 24" iMac over the last almost 3 years (Yeah AppleCare!), so they are NOT a profit driver.

AppleCare rarely covers the cost of what you get in repairs, just like the $99 for one to one doesn't cover the cost of all the time you can be there. especially now that they dropped the once a week rule. i mean even if those kids are getting minimum wage, that's like $9 here in Cali. so your membership is 11 hours of one persons time.

so where's the rest of the money coming from. it's that Apple Tax that some folks talk about. it pays for that staff time, for the cost of those parts, the overnight shipping two ways when it has to go to a service center, etc.

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Every walk into an Apple store and noticed there is Anti virus software on the shelf?

that those two titles are there is just as much because the makers paid Apple for the space. same in all other retailers.


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I am pretty sure that Apple stores have a very short black list of sites (porn etc.).

They threatened to add Facebook to it last year, but I don't think they did.

they don't have to do any of that. almost every area has a no loitering rule and they can legally use that to boot out anyone hanging around for ages. not to mention that they are a private business and can refuse service to anyone they wish. between that, it doesn't matter what someone is doing on the computer.

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The only difference is the wall of video screens (close to 200) that wraps the store.

this is actually the one thing they have done that Apple will hopefully copy in some form. Cause those screens could actually be more 'green' than the plastic banners that Apple puts up all the time (and changes at least once a quarter).

moving to some kind of embedded screen similar to what's up behind the genius bars would actually let them change that stuff more often and eliminate more trash.

although I thought I heard something about them using biodegrading plastic now so that's better

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I do have to agree with you there as some of the comments that the hardcore fans have made make me cringe.

i agree about the snobby feeling at times. my other issue is the belief that what the small group here wants is what Apple MUST do or they are stupid. Apple isn't going to follow the crowd or give into any one group unless it fits what they want. period. but some folks just won't get over that issue.

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Did you see their new print campaign? Brilliant!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/bu...ia/22adco.html

the best part is that yet again CP+B is the ad house. and guess what they use for all their work. yep. Macs.

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Extremeskater-

Apple has over 90% of the US PC market of computers priced above $1,000. This is a fact.

Call that market what you want (the previous poster invented the term "premium"). But you can't dismiss it.

My hunch is that you didn't realize that statistic.

Thompson

No, Apple has 90% of retail computers over $1000. Which excludes pretty much whole business, government/education/army/... buyers. I'm not even sure if on-line purchases are included in that retail study..?
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the best part is that yet again CP+B is the ad house. and guess what they use for all their work. yep. Macs.

Your posts are funny and yes, Charli, tuna does taste best, BUT-

guess what the Apple stores use to express checkout with their handhelds. yep. WINDOWS.
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No, Apple has 90% of retail computers over $1000. Which excludes pretty much whole business, government/education/army/... buyers. I'm not even sure if on-line purchases are included in that retail study..?

And what's your point?
Bottom line-What's Apple's total market share?
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post

Wow, this was creepy. Stalkerish peeping-tom creepy. The very notion of Microsoft opening a store was disturbing enough, from a business perspective, as the only thing they really stand to gain is brand recognitionbut like so much of the other things they've done lately, I can't help but to think the money could have been spent better elsewhere. And opening up right across from the Apple Store is probably a terrible idea. Apple is going to show them up.

What kills me is that this is almost a clone of the Apple store. Microsoft's business and products are very different from Apple's. Apple carefully researched and tailored their store's presentation to suite their products and customers, and Microsoft just copied it without any regard for the differences between the two companies.

Good job, Microsoft. You're training your faithful to be comfortable in an Apple Store.

Brand recognition is exactly what they are looking for. Accidentally it is very important factor in reaching for consumers with MP3 players, phones, video games... just to mention a few. Which is, accidentally, what MS has been pushing recently with ZuneHD, WinMo6.5 (and 7 whenever released), upcoming tablet...

With Windows 7 and Server 2008R2 families released for desktop/computer market, I feel MS will - for a while at least - shift it's focus from computers. I'd expect their advertising campaign will reflect that as well - no way 300M are spent on those handful of laptop-hunter commercials.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I fully understand Apple is a hardware company the problem is Apple doesn't understand and that seeing most of their attack ads are pointed at MS which is a software company. Shouldn't they get geared towards HP or Dell?

Or Sony or Acer or Asus or Gateway or Lenovo or Alien. There are just too many possibilities. There ads first started as simply being PC v Mac, despite Macs being PCs. Since VIsta was a blunder they used that opportunity to kick MS while they were down. Its business, not the playground They all use Windows so if you put fear of Windows being bad into the customers mind then no non-Mac PC looks viable.

On top of that, there is also the very common yet silly attempt to directly compare Apples OS sales which only come on Apples HW to all of MS OS sales, so why not make the ad as useful as possible. MS laptop buyer ads are all focused on the HW. Each company is trying to make the ads work, doesnt mean that a more intelligent comparison is valid from those ads. Gotta love marketing.

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Apple can't get more market share. Decades have proven that fact time and time again.

Sure they can. All they have to do is license their OS. MS had to license XP on the cheap when Vista wouldnt run on netbooks and Linux was getting installed as the de facto at first. MS would shit bricks if Apple actually licensed PC OS X.

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A few good quarters for Apple isnt exactly a trend. All it takes is one good health scare for SJ and your stock will be down to 83 dollars a share again. Apple stock has rebounded but that doesn't mean it can't go back down. I believe when it was that level before people were saying it was going to 250 and then 500. Instead it went to the mid 80's. I wouldn't go counting your Apples just yet.

The stock went down with the recession and it went back up with every other company even while Jobs was out of the picture for 6 months. Check out their stock history overlaid with the NASDAQ.

Apple has had more than A FEW quarters of profit. Check out there history. iPods, Macs, iPhones are all pushing beyond the industry average. The only losing unit sales YoYis the iPod, but that is due to the phones doubling as PMPs. Other PMPs are losing out too so Apples PMP marketshare is still holding strong.


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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

No its the fact that Verizon is big enough where they told Apple to take their demands and stick them up their a$$. ATT caved because they wanted to try and catch Verizon. Which of course hasn't worked.

So ATT and the iPhone are in the right place, second behind Verizon and RIM, where they will stay.

I stated that Apple may have used Verizon to curry favour with AT&T. You are now confirming that it was good tactic for Apple to do so, assuming it was the case? I guess having the iPhone and the radical change in the cellphone market is better than not having it at all.

Are you sure they will stay there? Weve already seen some changes happen. Nokia is losing a lot of ground quickly and a few years ago no one thought they could falter. The iPhone is far from being as good as business as Blackberries, but it does have many other pluses that make it attractive to users and businesses, especially the lower per user fee. If Apple can tie up some of the business use shortcomings it may beat out the Blackberry in some markets, its certainly beating out the Storm, which was a direct response to the iPhones arrival.
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Yeah I love when they call themselves shareholders. Makes it sound like they get to sit next to SJ at dinner.

See above- I told you. Types a lot, says nothing.
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I don't really see it as being a big bang for the buck either but what gets annoying is everytime MS does something people spout off they are scared of Apple or copying Apple which is a joke.

Apple spends just as much money trying to combat MS. So maybe they are the ones that are scared. God forbid anyone say that. Lets remember who has 90% of the OS market.

Ummm... yeah what he said.
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No, Apple has 90% of retail computers over $1000. Which excludes pretty much whole business, government/education/army/... buyers. I'm not even sure if on-line purchases are included in that retail study..?

Apple has also reported that it takes in ⅓ of every dollar in PC sales in the US. Since they can easily add up what all the other make in a quarter, that number would include all sales expect DIY PCs. That seems to coincide with the 91% of all PC sales in the US over $1000 theyve also reported.
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Ummm... yeah what he said.

NO - he says retail and goes on and on. He still hasn't responded to my question to clarify.
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