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post #201 of 326
10/22/09 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I'm more intrigued by the insanely huge American flags in one of the shots. Is MS on some sort of super jingoistic GO-USA! charge or something? How odd.

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

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post #202 of 326
10/22/09 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Microsoft debuted its first retail store in Scottsdale, Ariz., Thursday to coincide with the launch of Windows 7, and AppleInsider has exclusive photos, video and details from the grand opening event.

Pretty much like everything Microsoft does, just copy what Apple does. A truly innovative company.

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post #203 of 326
10/22/09 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

A long time ago, SJ had to admit that it was either make a deal with MS and play nice or go out of business. On that, we can agree ...

you may agree with this but if you look into it you will find it's really just a myth.

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post #204 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:03pm
I know quite a bit about this project so let me give you some insider info.

Designed by the architects who did the Apple stores (yes, MS wanted it to look like Apple). Well, at least, David Porter head of retail at MS wanted it to look like Apple. He directed the look to head that way even when the architects didn't want it to go there. Believe me, slap an apple logo on it and you'll confuse most consumers. The only difference is the wall of video screens (close to 200) that wraps the store. The only place where these screens will really look cool is the Xbox area that will utilize a grid of 4 screens per game. (assuming it all works)

MS wants this to make money selling high end stuff that utilizes windows and the phone OS, Xbox and possibly Zune. Focused on service and customization. In reality, this is just a brand store like Nike Town. Unlike Apple, which is more than a brand store, it actually makes a very good profit while promoting the brand.

Get ready for the next phase of the stores that will have Emily (wireless gaming/computing like the wii but better). If you ask me, they should just do Xbox/gaming stores.
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post #205 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:06pm
Something is wrong here. By my calculation 89% of the visitors should either be dressed as Trojans, suffering from worms or really sick with a contagious virus. There are no hijackers, nobody dressed in all blue clothes with white lettering and no frozen people with porn ads all over them.

They're not fooling me, if this was a real Microsoft store opening, most visitors would get infected the moment they walked in the door. The exception, a few guys trying to look normal while wearing 150 lb condoms and some smiley dudes eating apples.
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post #206 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:14pm
What are they buying, can't see anything.

Microsoft.... no hardware.... well a Zune

Software.... Its Windows 7...... and ......



Better get myself off to the Apple Store....... Simple
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post #207 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

you may agree with this but if you look into it you will find it's really just a myth.

I have MORE than looked into this. I LIVED it.

I do agree that there IS a myth about it. The investment that MS made was immaterial. That part is the myth.

However, Microsoft's accompanying promise to resume development of MS Office for the Mac OS really saved Apple's bacon. That is no myth.

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post #208 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:17pm
M$ has a reputation as a copier and not an innovator. I can see if they want to compete with Apple's stores but do they have to completely imitate them? Did Apple imitate the Gateway Store when they decided to create retail stores? M$ could have created something newer and edgier than Apple, something distinctive. Instead, Ballmer probably went, get me Apple Stores!! I want Apple Stores! It looks like they copied the furniture, the floor, the walls, the tables, the layout, even the Geniuses!
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post #209 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:27pm
Michelle Armstrong, a 20-year-old in pajama pants who slept outside the Scottsdale Fashion Square mall to be among the first in the store, said she was a bit disappointed in the bags, which included a $25 gift certificate, chapstick, mints, a bottle of water and tickets to an Ashley Tisdale concert at the store later in the day.



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post #210 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.


Shame on people for loving their country.

I put a flag out at my house quite often.

Sue me.
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post #211 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:36pm
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Its the elite attitude that makes people think every Apple user is an a$$hole. There was a good article on this a while back about Apples biggest problem is not Apple but its users.

I know this will piss people off but fair amount of us know its true.

I do have to agree with you there as some of the comments that the hardcore fans have made make me cringe. I especially noticed it when some people were complaining that Apple kept the white macbook and the rumor that they might drop the price was horrifying to them. The attitude was that if you couldn't afford the then current price then you didn't need to be using a mac. Some people can't stand Apple evolving or making products beyond what a creative artist type user would want or even worse that if you want a feature that Apple does not offer then you are an idiot and should switch to Windows. That attitude is an epic fail and propagates the impression all mac users are snobs.
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post #212 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by ZeroKelvin View Post

I wonder how many of the people at the grand-opening of the MS store were paid actors...

You mean like how Apple gave away free laptops to celebrities when they opened the Midtown store?
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post #213 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:39pm
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You mean like how Apple gave away free laptops to celebrities when they opened the Midtown store?


Celebs get PAID.

They don't do shit for free.
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post #214 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Think of it this way.

If the site was instead called "Luftwaffe Insider" they would probably publish a lot of stories on Spitfires wouldn't they?

Good point.
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post #215 of 326
10/22/09 at 3:54pm

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post #216 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

I agree with this sentiment. I have no problem with Microsoft emulating the formula that has made Apple one of the most successful retailers on the planet (and number one by revenue per square foot metric). If they are bound and determined to enter the retail experience at all, they would be foolish not to learn from the best.

So rather than bitch, I am here to showcase my skills of prognostication: the MS stores will do well for a time, until the novelty wears off, and then they will be a loss leader. I will come back a year from now and say "I told you so."

Thompson

I actually think extremeskater is even further off course than you suggest. In one post, he discusses the benefit of competition and then almost immediately gives a post suggesting that there is no issue with companies copying, to which you replied.

I, in fact, love MS if for no other reason than it gives a competitor a chance to show alternatives. I am allowed to vote by where I spend my money. However, the system breaks for the consumer when the larger corporation is simply replicating over innovating and leaning on enormous capital reserves to defeat competition.
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post #217 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

So Apple's #1 rating in customer satisfaction, year after year, just happened by sheer accident. And consumers handing Apple record quarter after record quarter in Mac sales don't actually exist.



There's a reason MS lost the Premium market and is constantly embarrassed by Apple in nearly every area in which it competes. And that's no accident.

Except that MS never lost premium market - because they never had one. Microsoft is doing OS, not computers.

PC hardware manufacturers, well, they might have lost premium market. They definitely did loose retail part of the premium market; how does retail part stands against other purchase options, I have failed to find any relevant info, However, since business does not purchase retail, real picture is likely to be a bit different.
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post #218 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:24pm
i wonder if this might backfire on ms (like most things they do outside of their reach). after all apple was suffering from lack of exposure when they started opening their stores, and has grown considerably with the advantage of up close comparison - same mall anyway. ms does not suffer from anonymity and if apple succeeds when side-by-side the obviously ms loses.

btw if the picture is from the front then those american flags are hung backwards.
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post #219 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

MS doesn't have to copy Apple. Remember MS is the one that owns 90% of the market. Just because a company decides to take an new direction doesn't mean they are always copying Apple, or scared of Apple. Apple isn't all that scary.

Heh, nice one. But don't forget this is the site with huge concentration of Apple Extremists, so logic doesn't always appl(e)y.

Otherwise, it would be very hard to explain how come, when MS comes with their announcement before Apple, they do that because they are scared; but when Apple does the same, they are "stealing thunder"..?
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post #220 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:52pm
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Except that MS never lost premium market - because they never had one. Microsoft is doing OS, not computers.

PC hardware manufacturers, well, they might have lost premium market. They definitely did loose retail part of the premium market; how does retail part stands against other purchase options, I have failed to find any relevant info, However, since business does not purchase retail, real picture is likely to be a bit different.

Or more like they never had it (but they wanted it), in that Vista introduced us to Ultimate, and all the poor suckers who went for the "premium" OS didn't get much in the way of extras or anything of value save for bitlocker+media center.

They want that market, but they haven't shown any compelling reason to buy Ultimate.
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post #221 of 326
10/22/09 at 4:54pm
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Heh, nice one. But don't forget this is the site with huge concentration of Apple Extremists, so logic doesn't always appl(e)y.

Otherwise, it would be very hard to explain how come, when MS comes with their announcement before Apple, they do that because they are scared; but when Apple does the same, they are "stealing thunder"..?

Yeah good point. I forgot Apple didn't intro all this new hardware this week because they are scared of Windows 7 they did it to steal their thunder. Didn't really work all that well.
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post #222 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:02pm
Windows X?
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post #223 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:06pm
Dear Microsoft,

Until you can come up with your own work and stop copying your classmates, you must go sit in the corner and be still.

You really should be ashamed of yourself!

Pathetic.
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post #224 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by iPedro View Post

So is this a Microsoft Store or a Windows Store?



The logo suggests this is a Windows store, unless Microsoft changed their logo.

Apparently that is Microsoft Retail Logo.

I guess they want to differentiate their retail, consumer division from business oriented servers etc. division(s). Something like Toyota differentiates Lexus, or Nissan does with Infinity.

For many average consumers, MS is related to serious/complicated/not-fun-at-all! stuff like servers, networks, volume licensing, CALs... ek. So I can see plenty of reasons to separate retail from business as much as possible, if they want to persuade average user that this other Microsoft is all about fun, games, music, multimedia... you name it.
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post #225 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:10pm
That's just creepy.
All those people with the same clothes as Apple Store's staff's ones, pretending to be happy hand slapping hands. When I saw those images (and video), I felt the same that when I saw images of the Olympic Flame in North Korea pretending to be rich, or during a Techno concert for over 60 y.o. people.
I'm scared

By the way, one of the reason I own a Mac is that there is an Apple store in my city so I have an outstanding technical support. Because Mac are nice to use, the hardware is great but let's face it, they get down like PCs do (especially laptops since electronic parts do not like being moved, shacked ...) I do not car about software support.
I don't see how those MS Store could offer such services since MS do not sell hardware (except from mouses and the Zune)
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post #226 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:17pm
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Of course Apple invented everything.

Exactly the kind of mindless snark that makes everyone wonder where the hell you get off worrying about anyone else being a fanboy. Your defense of MS's efforts are foolish.

The stores are blatant copies of Apple's stores. Noticing that doesn't require anyone to believe that Apple invents everything, or that anything else anyone does is a copy of Apple, or any other straw-man bullshit you want to sling around to prop up your non-existent argument.

And "premium market", since you don't seem to know what the word means, is "high margin, high profit." Apple, despite having about 6% of PC industry revenues, get 25% of the profits. For the iPhone, it's even more pronounced: 8% of the revenue, 32% of the profits (and that's the numbers before the release of the 3Gs).

Now, I'm sure those figures will get you going about sheep being willing to throw their money at pretty, etc., but Apple is doing very, very well for itself by building machines that people are willing to pay more for, while the PC industry as a whole is drifting ever downwards into a near profit free commodity.

At this point Apple could buy every outstanding share of Dell just with their cash on hand. That's what premium means.
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post #227 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:29pm
I, for one, love to support a company that creates massive profits off my purchases

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post #228 of 326
10/22/09 at 5:29pm
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Confined to the bottom-end, and falling.

So basically you are saying 90% of market is bottom-end, and 10% (realistically 4%) are everything else..? That sounds a bit delusional (and I am really stretching my politeness here).

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When you think "Premium", "desirable", "innovative", Apple comes to mind. And it's not by accident.

Er... it comes to mind of whole 4% of world wide user base. To majority of the people I know, when you say Apple, what comes to mind is "overpriced", "limited", "underpowered". Best thing that comes is "fashionable" and "posh", but apparently only 4% of world-wide market like to relate such terms to computer gear.

I can't deny they really are doing much better with phones and players. Heck even I have an iPhone (and heck, no matter how I like it, "limited", "posh" and "fashionable" still comes to my mind).
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post #229 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

Jerk - Was your city / country ever directly attacked like ours was?. We're still in the middle of a war for our beliefs. What does up there believe in besides Maple Syrup and the Queen?
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post #230 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:17pm
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I do have to agree with you there as some of the comments that the hardcore fans have made make me cringe. I especially noticed it when some people were complaining that Apple kept the white macbook and the rumor that they might drop the price was horrifying to them. The attitude was that if you couldn't afford the then current price then you didn't need to be using a mac. Some people can't stand Apple evolving or making products beyond what a creative artist type user would want or even worse that if you want a feature that Apple does not offer then you are an idiot and should switch to Windows. That attitude is an epic fail and propagates the impression all mac users are snobs.

Can you believe the prior model MacBook is now - can you stand this- $899? It should discounted to $699.
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post #231 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:22pm
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Exactly the kind of mindless snark that makes everyone wonder where the hell you get off worrying about anyone else being a fanboy. Your defense of MS's efforts are foolish.

The stores are blatant copies of Apple's stores. Noticing that doesn't require anyone to believe that Apple invents everything, or that anything else anyone does is a copy of Apple, or any other straw-man bullshit you want to sling around to prop up your non-existent argument.

And "premium market", since you don't seem to know what the word means, is "high margin, high profit." Apple, despite having about 6% of PC industry revenues, get 25% of the profits. For the iPhone, it's even more pronounced: 8% of the revenue, 32% of the profits (and that's the numbers before the release of the 3Gs).

Now, I'm sure those figures will get you going about sheep being willing to throw their money at pretty, etc., but Apple is doing very, very well for itself by building machines that people are willing to pay more for, while the PC industry as a whole is drifting ever downwards into a near profit free commodity.

At this point Apple could buy every outstanding share of Dell just with their cash on hand. That's what premium means.

I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?
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post #232 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?

Yeah.. like they bought Yahoo?!
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post #233 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:38pm
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I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?

1) Apple is a HW company first and foremost. They only sell there OS for there own PCs so trying to compare it to Windows which is available from pretty much every other PC vendor in the world is silly, at best. With HP with the most marketshare of 25%, Apple would have over 60% of all PC revenue while Windows would still have nearly 75% of the OS market. Apple would be the several fold wealthier than they are now. Its just not going to happen unless Apple changes there business model. Do that seem likely to you?

2) You act as if Apple cant get more OS marketshare form some mythical inability to license there OS, when they have clearly chosen not to as they are a PC company. Dell, HP and others wish they could have a viable OS. They tried to move Linux as an alternative to Windows. They failed. Maybe Googles ChromeOS will help those PC makers them on the cheap end, but doubtful.

3) Check out MS and Apples market cap. MS cant buy squat at Apple, nor would such a thing be allowed if it were possible. I think that Apple has a lot more cash on hand, too. MS and Apple could by Dell, though you have to understand that as soon as such an deal was rumoured Dells stock would skyrocket making it even more expensive. Oh yeah, there is a high probability that Apples market cap will exceed MS within two years based on current quarterly and trends. How bout them Apples?
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post #234 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:39pm
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Yeah.. like they bought Yahoo?!

Now that was good! I completely forgot about that.
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10/22/09 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) Apple is a HW company first and foremost. They only sell there OS for there own PCs so trying to compare it to Windows which is available from pretty much every other PC vendor in the world is silly, at best. With HP with the most marketshare of 25%, Apple would have over 60% of all PC revenue while Windows would still have nearly 75% of the OS market. Apple would be the several fold wealthier than they are now. It’s just not going to happen unless Apple changes there business model. Do that seem likely to you?

2) You act as if Apple can’t get more OS marketshare form some mythical inability to license there OS, when they have clearly chosen not to as they are a PC company. Dell, HP and others wish they could have a viable OS. They tried to move Linux as an alternative to Windows. They failed. Maybe Google’s ChromeOS will help those PC makers them on the cheap end, but doubtful.

3) Check out MS and Apple’s market cap. MS can’t buy squat at Apple, nor would such a thing be allowed if it were possible. I think that Apple has a lot more cash on hand, too. MS and Apple could by Dell, though you have to understand that as soon as such an deal was rumoured Dell’s stock would skyrocket making it even more expensive. Oh yeah, there is a high probability that Apple’s market cap will exceed MS’ within two years based on current quarterly and trends. How ‘bout them Apples?

A typical slopsism post:
First you state it's silly to compare the two and then you do exactly that and then brag about it? LOONEY.
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post #236 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

MS doesn't have to copy Apple. Remember MS is the one that owns 90% of the market. Just because a company decides to take an new direction doesn't mean they are always copying Apple, or scared of Apple. Apple isn't all that scary.

I don't think that you understand the psychology at play. It is because MS has the majority of the market that they do not need to not copy Apple. Simply diluting Apple's presence is perceived as a benefit to MS and doing so by copying their competition is the safest method.

In the end, who cares? Apple is hugely profitable and constantly innovating, there is no reason obvious to me why that shouldn't continue. The stores are innovative and have provided huge benefits to customers.

After all, the sincerest form of flattery... \
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post #237 of 326
10/22/09 at 6:50pm
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Apparently that is Microsoft Retail Logo.

I guess they want to differentiate their retail, consumer division from business oriented servers etc. division(s). Something like Toyota differentiates Lexus, or Nissan does with Infinity.

For many average consumers, MS is related to serious/complicated/not-fun-at-all! stuff like servers, networks, volume licensing, CALs... ek. So I can see plenty of reasons to separate retail from business as much as possible, if they want to persuade average user that this other Microsoft is all about fun, games, music, multimedia... you name it.

Did you see their new print campaign? Brilliant!
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10/22/09 at 6:53pm
"Opening day gift bags and concert tickets will be given away at the Microsoft Store beginning at 10AM. Gift bags will be given to the first 1,000 visitors. Concert tickets will be given to the first 1,000 visitors (limit 2 per person) and post concert autographs for the first 100 visitors."

"Pop superstar Ashley Tisdale will be performing live at 5PM to celebrate the Grand Opening of the store on Thursday, October 22."

I was expecting a free gift of a chocolate Zune player for everyone and a free copy of Win Vista Ultimate, too. No such luck. Quelle domage!
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10/22/09 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I'm more intrigued by the insanely huge American flags in one of the shots. Is MS on some sort of super jingoistic GO-USA! charge or something? How odd.

Was thinking the same thing. It reeks of Balmer.
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10/22/09 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Sadly, it's like that everywhere in the US.

They apparently don't realise the irony. The only other country ever to worship their flag so much was Nazi Germany.

While it's a bit startling to us non-Americans, it's really standard procedure down there. In New York there are flags on the sides of buildings many stories high. Scary at best, but mostly just distasteful.

Posts like this make me shake my head in disbelief.

Maybe MS just loves their country.
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