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post #241 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

No its the fact that Verizon is big enough where they told Apple to take their demands and stick them up their a$$. ATT caved because they wanted to try and catch Verizon. Which of course hasn't worked.

So ATT and the iPhone are in the right place, second behind Verizon and RIM, where they will stay.

I believe Apple wanted to deal with all repairs and tech support for the phone, and Verizon didn't want that. They also didn't want to give a cut of the money from the plan, but that is speculation.

Bottom line is, the way Verizon supports phones is utter shit. I've experienced first hand their stupid agents support the Treo700w and how incompetent they are. When you see that, it is clear why Apple didn't want Verizon's reputation for support tarnishing their image.

Unless you enjoy the solution to every issue being a "hard reset".

Btw, most people, on the loonatic fringe, left and right, don't hesitate to invoke the Nazi's. We hit Godwin's law here awhile ago.

Of course, there is this article as to why the left says Bush was a Nazi/Fascist, and then of course Obama is obviously a Nazi because both groups wanted nationalized health care .
post #242 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

No its the fact that Verizon is big enough where they told Apple to take their demands and stick them up their a$$. ATT caved because they wanted to try and catch Verizon. Which of course hasn't worked.

So ATT and the iPhone are in the right place, second behind Verizon and RIM, where they will stay.

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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Yeah I love when they call themselves shareholders. Makes it sound like they get to sit next to SJ at dinner.

I love when you provided unsupported opinions and back track on your outburst to people, e.g.

1. Premium market, your comments there is no premium market and then I provided links to show that many industry reviewers discuss premium market and its not Apple's or their Fanboys making this sector up. You change your tune.

2. Verizon would have the same issues has AT&T with concern to the iPhone, this is my opinion and I can not prove it, but I discussed it with many of my IT guys and their felt the same way. No one expected iphone to change the way people surf the internet so much.

Can you show me proof of Verizon turning down Apple or this just another one of your opinions.

At least when you are providing your opinions, provide some evidence to support your comments and if other people provide evidence, then you should provide counter evidence. But ranting your opinions with a little supporting data, I just do not believe what you are saying.

Apple market capitalization http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...c1MI0Aohc8tWpM

MS market capitalization: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT

MS may have 90% of the market share in OS, but investors are not confident of its earning power and thats something that needs to change. I think MS needs Bill Gates, like Apple requires SJ. The Bald head eagle in charge is just screwing up the company. I can't show proof, but there are enough links to show his half-thought dumb comments about other competitors, who later become successful.
post #243 of 294
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

Quite true.

Windows marketshare is based on cheap PC's for a large part.

Funny how Dell now seems to be trying the boutique computer thing now. But, they for years wanted to be the Walmart of the computer business. It got them a lot of marketshare, but at what price? Going to be hard to convince consumers to buy something expensive from Dell. Dell lead a bunch of others into the ground having to play in the near zero margin space. They need volume to make it.

Apple won't and has never done that. They see the carnage.

It certainly will only gain minute share but its a nice profitable little niche.

Windows is associated with cheap.

Tell that to pros who purchase units like Lenovo W... configured to the max, it gets close to US$6,000. And that is without extra software or extended warranty. But you don't purchase that in retail.
post #244 of 294
extremeskater = thurott or is cut from the same mold
post #245 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

You have way too much time on your hands. We need to get you either an xbox 360 or a computer that can play more then just WOW.

I pefer iMac 27" with bootcamp, so I have the best of all worlds
post #246 of 294
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

See above- I told you. Types a lot, says nothing.
Ask him why he never mentions the AppleTV.

Every company has a not so proud product and Apple TV is one for Apple. But come were do we start with MS.
Vista
post #247 of 294
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post

Every company has a not so proud product and Apple TV is one for Apple. But come were do we start with MS.
Vista

The AppleTV has not been great, but its no worse than any other dedicated media appliance on the market. It looks like things have changed enough that Apple may actually know how to make the next iteration a success. They certainly cant drop it altogether without losing the living room. The only other option is to work out deals to get the AppleTV OS on other companies, but that doesnt seem likely.
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post #248 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

You have way too much time on your hands. We need to get you either an xbox 360 or a computer that can play more then just WOW.

The previous poster absolutely schools you with a thoughtful answer, and that's the best you can come up with?

Thompson
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post #250 of 294
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Heh, nice one. But don't forget this is the site with huge concentration of Apple Extremists, so logic doesn't always appl(e)y.

Otherwise, it would be very hard to explain how come, when MS comes with their announcement before Apple, they do that because they are scared; but when Apple does the same, they are "stealing thunder"..?

Yes. How illogical of the Apple Extremists to notice that the MS store is a blatant copy of the Apple Store.

Stupid fan boys, noticing things!
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post #251 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Yeah good point. I forgot Apple didn't intro all this new hardware this week because they are scared of Windows 7 they did it to steal their thunder. Didn't really work all that well.

Yep, releasing a bunch of new hardware is just like opening a store that slavishly copies your rival.

I'm not really one for "Apple users are smarter/cooler/whatever" theories, but I'm starting to wonder if using a PC makes you a little stupid. The MS defenses/Apple snark being mounted in this thread are appallingly moronic.
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post #252 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I love how everyone keeps saying Dell when we are talking about Microsoft. Could it be you don't bring up MS because they could buy Apple with their pocket change?

Not really interested in engaging my point, I guess.

At any rate, at current trends Apple's market cap is likely to exceed MS's next year some time.
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post #253 of 294
Hope this works for them, but I do wonder what they plan to sell. Of course, Windows and Orfice but what else? Keyboards, mice, XBox & accessories? Oh, that Zune thing probably too. But, even then what's the attraction? Once you have your copy of Windows, it's not like you have to go and get another in a week or two. They are a software company, albeit a one with few of their own original ideas.

It's like the "Hot Dog on a Stick" place at the mall; Hot Dogs, Lemonade and Fried Cheese, almost a one trick pony. Honestly, I've never been to an Apple Store either, so I'm not familiar with what they sell. I live in rural Arizona, I bought my Mac Mini at a local computer shop and had to wait a week for it to arrive. The nearest Apple and soon Gateway, umm, I mean, Microsoft store will be over 100 miles away.

Yes, I own and use Macs and will never use anything else, except at work (Windows XP.) So all of you MS fanboys, throw your stones, but my 2009 Mac Mini has nearly 5 months of uptime without a single crash, (got it in May 2009.) No software re-installs and no viruses, malware, worms and so on... I just run my firewall and it's all good.

The Windows machine that lives in my house requires monthly maintenance and has been restored (drive wiped, windows re-installed) twice since it came home from ahem, Best Buy, but I can't its owner to see the light, which is too bad. Life is good on this side of the fence.

P.S. - it ain't my HP!



So good luck MS, I'm sure someone will shop in your store, but it won't be me.
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post #254 of 294
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Do you think the Burger King fanboys bash every new McDonalds for copying their stores and vice versa?

Uh, no this is like Ruth's Chris Steakhouse fanboys bashing every new McDonalds for advertising McRib sandwiches.
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post #255 of 294
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The AppleTV has not been great, but its no worse than any other dedicated media appliance on the market. It looks like things have changed enough that Apple may actually know how to make the next iteration a success. They certainly cant drop it altogether without losing the living room. The only other option is to work out deals to get the AppleTV OS on other companies, but that doesnt seem likely.

Everybody needs to realize that the trouble with ALL of these video media devices is not technological. The problem is that the CONTENT IS STILL CONTROLLED BY THE STUDIOS, and they'll be damned if they give over as easily as the recording studios did. Of course, give technology a couple more years to make bandwidth and hard drives sufficient to make video piracy a no-brainer, and they'll be singing a different tune. THAT's when it will pay off for Apple and others to have had its foot in the door enough to garner some mindshare. Bottom line: the video wars right now are purely about mindshare. The control is still with the content owners. That will eventually change, and then we can stop bashing the device makers for being so lame.

Thompson
post #256 of 294
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Originally Posted by kellya74u View Post

I'm embarrassed for Microsoft. Its ok to imitate another company a little bit, but it appears that every store detail has been copied from Apple, including the clear glass fronts & even the light colored wood floor. What that tells me is that even the Microsoft retail store designer staff can't innovate or create new & fresh ideas. How pathetic. To copy Apple directly like that on the smallest details, is Microsoft's own confirmation that they are hopeless. If Apple disbanded & all of the employees went away, Microsoft 'innovators' would be trying to decide where to take MS into the future: "now, should we go with multi-colored computers or beige?"

No you wrong with one detail the "blue screen" is a brand image of MS alone, Apple will never try and take that image away
post #257 of 294
Well, it doesn't look exactly like the leaked Microsoft store concept sketch I saw, but it's hard to tell with the crowd inside.

It'll be fascinating to see whether the crowds stay in the months ahead, and whether the "open right next door to Apple stores" results in some fun head-butting between the companies.
post #258 of 294
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Everybody needs to realize that the trouble with ALL of these video media devices is not technological. The problem is that the CONTENT IS STILL CONTROLLED BY THE STUDIOS, and they'll be damned if they give over as easily as the recording studios did. Of course, give technology a couple more years to make bandwidth and hard drives sufficient to make video piracy a no-brainer, and they'll be singing a different tune. THAT's when it will pay off for Apple and others to have had its foot in the door enough to garner some mindshare. Bottom line: the video wars right now are purely about mindshare. The control is still with the content owners. That will eventually change, and then we can stop bashing the device makers for being so lame.

Thompson

You so wrong. Apple is controlling the content on the Apple TV. Why are my files listed at the bottom of the menus and why is search throwing me into the iTunes Store to buy more Apple DRM? Why can't I rent or buy from anywhere else? iTunes catalogue is extremely limited for FILM.
The APPleTV is a 3 year old Flop which was supposed to be in everyone's home , not Blu-ray. It's DEAD. 3 years old and sill a "HOBBY" - WHAT A JOKE!
post #259 of 294
Surely the MS store has the same flaw as the MS ads: Everyone who would visit an Apple store already knows what MS do. Many who would visit an MS store would be first timers in an Apple store.

It's a win-lose for Apple-Microsoft marketing.

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post #260 of 294
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

You so wrong. Apple is controlling the content on the Apple TV. Why are my files listed at the bottom of the menus and why is search throwing me into the iTunes Store to buy more Apple DRM? Why can't I rent or buy from anywhere else? iTunes catalogue is extremely limited for FILM.
The APPleTV is a 3 year old Flop which was supposed to be in everyone's home , not Blu-ray. It's DEAD. 3 years old and sill a "HOBBY" - WHAT A JOKE!

Who forced you to buy one?
It was far more limited when it was released, but yet you still bought one.
All those upgrades you have had for free, some people are never happy.
post #261 of 294
No kidding. The layout, the staff t-shirts and the thing hanging from their necks. How original. Kinda makes MS lose whatever credibility they have left, eh?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Hk0...layer_embedded

BLATANT copying of Apple. It's just pathetic now.
post #262 of 294
I seem to be missing something here.....

Is techstud a moderator or does he have total immunity.

His posts I have read here and in other threads are very rude and frequenty ofensive, but nothing seems to be done about it. Are there double standards at AppleInsider?

Bill
post #263 of 294
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

Burger King fanboys, funny...

Although McDonalds and Burger King have a lobby leading to a cashier that has a menu board of food items, that once you get your meal and go to the dining room area and sit at a "booth" or table with chairs to eat, you look around at the aesthetics and that's where McDonalds and Burger King try to make the "same" into their own "atmosphere".

Whereas with Apple and MS, you have Apple for the most part introducing innovations and MS following their lead with a over hyped similar product...

Apple Mac OS X aqua, widgets, etc. - MS OS Vista aero, gadgets, etc.
Apple iPod and ITMS - MS Zune the Social, the Marketplace
Apple iPhone - MS Pink
Apple retail stores - MS retail stores with the same Apple flare

It seems MS is styling its products so much so to mimic Apple's that I guess they hope to confuse the consumer and therefore MS will be satisfied with the crumbs (in sales) that fall off Apple's table (of success)!

Someone help me out...

What is it called when someone can't just be themselves but has to emulate someone else in mannerisms, dress, looks, actions, deeds, etc. in order to feel accepted? Wouldn't a Psychologist believe them to be suffering from poor self-esteem?! Maybe they should see a psychiatrists because they can prescribe medication. Lord know some of the MS execs can use a chill pill every now and then!

I just felt that I needed to correct something here. Just like Microsoft copies Apple in some cases, whether or not you choose to believe it, Apple also copies Microsoft.

The finder sidebar, two years after Windows had it.
The path bar OSX 10.5, about 1 year after Windows had it.
Back AND Forward navigation buttons in folders OSX 10.2, Windows had it in Windows 2000.
Documents minimizing into the app icon instead of creating a new icon OSX 10.6, Windows has been doing it for a while with the taskbar.
Screen sharing with remote desktop 10.4, Windows has been doing it since the launch of XP and even created a free Mac version that did this before Apple included it in an OS.
Backup and restore, Windows had it first.
Putting all the systems preferences in one place 10.0, ever since Windows had a control panel they were there.


The list goes on and on and on. You can also compile a list about things Apple's OS had first that Microsoft copied.

The bottom line is, I guess it just depends on how objective you are, and if you are willing to seek out all the facts, and not just the facts that back up your personal beliefs.

Both of these companies have been copying good ideas from the other one for quite some time now, it's not a one way street.
post #264 of 294
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Jerk - Was your city / country ever directly attacked like ours was?. We're still in the middle of a war for our beliefs. What does up there believe in besides Maple Syrup and the Queen?

In the UK we have been targets of terrorisim for many, many years, much of it funded by the New York Irish community. I have experienced 2 IRA bombs first hand (Manchester and Warrington).

It is easy to poke fun at others, but you also have to be sensitive and thoughtfull about what you say because often it can make you look silly / angry / ignorant.

I suspect there were many Canadians lost in the 9/11 attacks, and remember these are not the first terror acts in the world and the USA is not the only county to suffer.

It does pain me sometimes to see the USA making out as though they are the only ones to suffer loss from terror. Many thousands have died around the world from terror attacks, it did not all start on 9/11. Yes it was a terrible day for the world. It is just that the USA seem to have missed the many other terrible days that happened before 9/11.

1945
Aug. 6, Aug. 9, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan: Altogether, the two bombings killed an estimated 110,000 Japanese citizens and injured another 130,000. By 1950, another 230,000 Japanese had died from injuries or radiation.

1945
Jan. 30, Baltic Sea: Nazi passenger ship Wilhelm Gustloff, carrying German refugees and soldiers, was torpedoed by a Soviet submarine. As many as 9,000 to 10,000 may have died. World's largest marine disaster.

1949
Aug. 5, Ecuador: An area of some 1,500 square miles was struck by an earthquake measuring 6.75 magnitude. 6,000 people were killed and about 100,000 people were made homeless from the area at Ambato and four other towns.

1960
Oct. 10, East Pakistan: Cyclone and tidal wave killed about 6,000.

1944
Jun. 29, off the coast of Japan: Japanese troop ship carrying troops and crew was torpedoed by American submarine USS Sturgeon. An estimated 5,400 to 5,600 sailors were killed.

2004
Apr. 22, Ryongchon, North Korea: Two fuel trains collided at a North Korean railroad station near the Chinese border, igniting a deafening explosion that rained debris for more than 10 miles around, South Korean media said. As many as 3,000 people may have been killed or injured.

1889
May 31, Johnstown, Pa.: More than 2,200 died in flood after South Fork Dam of the Little Conemaugh River collapsed, causing a wall of water 40 feet high.

1984
Dec. 3, Bhopal, India: Toxic gas, methyl isocyanate, seeped from Union Carbide insecticide plant, killed more than 2,000, injured about 150,000.

1944
Oct. 24, South China Sea: the Arisan Maru carrying 1,800 American prisoners was torpedoed by a U.S. submarine and sunk. The Japanese destroyer escort rescued Japanese military and civilian personnel and left the POWs to their fate. It is estimated that only ten prisoners survived the disaster.

1990
Jul. 2, Mecca, Saudi Arabia: a stampede in a 1,800 foot-long pedestrian tunnel leading from Mecca to a tent city for pilgrims killed 1,426 pilgrims who were trampled to death.
post #265 of 294
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I seem to be missing something here.....

Is techstud a moderator or does he have total immunity?

His posts I have read here and in other threads are very rude and frequenty ofensive, but nothing seems to be done about it. Are there double standards at AppleInsider?

Bill

William- Neither. I have received my share of warnings. However, just because I may something you don't agree with or written in a manner you might not like, I never resort to ugly and rude personal attacks like those hurled at me left and right. Put me on your ignore list.
post #266 of 294
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

In the UK we have been targets of terrorisim for many, many years, much of it funded by the New York Irish community. I have experienced 2 IRA bombs first hand (Manchester and Warrington).

It is easy to poke fun at others, but you also have to be sensitive and thoughtfull about what you say because often it can make you look silly / angry / ignorant.

I suspect there were many Canadians lost in the 9/11 attacks, and remember these are not the first terror acts in the world and the USA is not the only county to suffer.

It does pain me sometimes to see the USA making out as though they are the only ones to suffer loss from terror. Many thousands have died around the world from terror attacks, it did not all start on 9/11. Yes it was a terrible day for the world. It is just that the USA seem to have missed the many other terrible days that happened before 9/11.

1945
Aug. 6, Aug. 9, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan: Altogether, the two bombings killed an estimated 110,000 Japanese citizens and injured another 130,000. By 1950, another 230,000 Japanese had died from injuries or radiation.

1945
Jan. 30, Baltic Sea: Nazi passenger ship Wilhelm Gustloff, carrying German refugees and soldiers, was torpedoed by a Soviet submarine. As many as 9,000 to 10,000 may have died. World's largest marine disaster.

1949
Aug. 5, Ecuador: An area of some 1,500 square miles was struck by an earthquake measuring 6.75 magnitude. 6,000 people were killed and about 100,000 people were made homeless from the area at Ambato and four other towns.

1960
Oct. 10, East Pakistan: Cyclone and tidal wave killed about 6,000.

1944
Jun. 29, off the coast of Japan: Japanese troop ship carrying troops and crew was torpedoed by American submarine USS Sturgeon. An estimated 5,400 to 5,600 sailors were killed.

2004
Apr. 22, Ryongchon, North Korea: Two fuel trains collided at a North Korean railroad station near the Chinese border, igniting a deafening explosion that rained debris for more than 10 miles around, South Korean media said. As many as 3,000 people may have been killed or injured.

1889
May 31, Johnstown, Pa.: More than 2,200 died in flood after South Fork Dam of the Little Conemaugh River collapsed, causing a wall of water 40 feet high.

1984
Dec. 3, Bhopal, India: Toxic gas, methyl isocyanate, seeped from Union Carbide insecticide plant, killed more than 2,000, injured about 150,000.

1944
Oct. 24, South China Sea: the Arisan Maru carrying 1,800 American prisoners was torpedoed by a U.S. submarine and sunk. The Japanese destroyer escort rescued Japanese military and civilian personnel and left the POWs to their fate. It is estimated that only ten prisoners survived the disaster.

1990
Jul. 2, Mecca, Saudi Arabia: a stampede in a 1,800 foot-long pedestrian tunnel leading from Mecca to a tent city for pilgrims killed 1,426 pilgrims who were trampled to death.

Poke fun of others? Dude, Gazoobee compared the USA to Nazi Germany for crissake! Please critique your own antiquated Queendom. If any country at all has a hstory of terrorism, it's your own. Where's you listing of all the atrocities in World history committed in the name of your Kings and /or Queens?

Finally, 9/11/09 was an attack on US soil and nowhere else. Your house of cards with all your lists has just collapsed.
post #267 of 294
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

[...] and AppleInsider has exclusive photos, video and details from the grand opening event.

Yeah? Where are they then?
post #268 of 294
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Poke fun of others? Dude, Gazoobee compared the USA to Nazi Germany for crissake! Please critique your own antiquated Queendom. If any country at all has a hstory of terrorism, it's your own. Where's you listing of all the atrocities in World history committed in the name of your Kings and /or Queens?

Finally, 9/11/09 was an attack on US soil and nowhere else. Your house of cards with all your lists has just collapsed.

To be frank USA and UK are the same, never had a good reputation at resolving issues and most times, actually cause more harm then good, e.g. Israel - UK selling of the land to Jewish community via USA.

BUT I would not play down 9/11, since it first time terrorism had reached such terrible highs and involved so many innocent people.

Any back to apple discussion.
post #269 of 294
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Apples shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Your answer on Premium is total BS because you can't come up with a real answer because the fact is Apple doesn't make anything premium compared to anyone else.

Why are you here on these forums? maybe you should go over to the microsoft forums and enjoy life there. Obviously something is eating at you, maybe you're hating for no real reason?
post #270 of 294
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post

To be frank USA and UK are the same, never had a good reputation at resolving issues and most times, actually cause more harm then good, e.g. Israel - UK selling of the land to Jewish community via USA.

BUT I would not play down 9/11, since it first time terrorism had reached such terrible highs and involved so many innocent people.

Any back to apple discussion.

Sorry my friend, but you're comparing poilcy as opposed to philosphy. We couldn't be more different than that Kingdom of Royals with their socialist health care system.
The only royal we have is a Royale with Cheese and that's seved in EU.
post #271 of 294
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this is actually the one thing they have done that Apple will hopefully copy in some form. Cause those screens could actually be more 'green' than the plastic banners that Apple puts up all the time (and changes at least once a quarter).

moving to some kind of embedded screen similar to what's up behind the genius bars would actually let them change that stuff more often and eliminate more trash.

although I thought I heard something about them using biodegrading plastic now so that's better.

Actually, it's quite the opposite, those screens use so much energy (at least when you have 200) that MS had to get some sort of variance for the amount of power they were using in the mall. Not to mention all the heat created by these monitors. The amount of energy required to build, transport and maintain a monitor outweighs the cost of some paper/plastic a few times a year.
post #272 of 294
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

Apple should just shut down the company and give the money back to the shareholders.

Shame on them.

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post #273 of 294
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

In the UK we have been targets of terrorisim for many, many years, much of it funded by the New York Irish community. I have experienced 2 IRA bombs first hand (Manchester and Warrington).

It is easy to poke fun at others, but you also have to be sensitive and thoughtfull about what you say because often it can make you look silly / angry / ignorant.

I suspect there were many Canadians lost in the 9/11 attacks, and remember these are not the first terror acts in the world and the USA is not the only county to suffer.

It does pain me sometimes to see the USA making out as though they are the only ones to suffer loss from terror. Many thousands have died around the world from terror attacks, it did not all start on 9/11. Yes it was a terrible day for the world. It is just that the USA seem to have missed the many other terrible days that happened before 9/11.

1945
Aug. 6, Aug. 9, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan: Altogether, the two bombings killed an estimated 110,000 Japanese citizens and injured another 130,000. By 1950, another 230,000 Japanese had died from injuries or radiation.

1945
Jan. 30, Baltic Sea: Nazi passenger ship Wilhelm Gustloff, carrying German refugees and soldiers, was torpedoed by a Soviet submarine. As many as 9,000 to 10,000 may have died. World's largest marine disaster.

1949
Aug. 5, Ecuador: An area of some 1,500 square miles was struck by an earthquake measuring 6.75 magnitude. 6,000 people were killed and about 100,000 people were made homeless from the area at Ambato and four other towns.

1960
Oct. 10, East Pakistan: Cyclone and tidal wave killed about 6,000.

1944
Jun. 29, off the coast of Japan: Japanese troop ship carrying troops and crew was torpedoed by American submarine USS Sturgeon. An estimated 5,400 to 5,600 sailors were killed.

2004
Apr. 22, Ryongchon, North Korea: Two fuel trains collided at a North Korean railroad station near the Chinese border, igniting a deafening explosion that rained debris for more than 10 miles around, South Korean media said. As many as 3,000 people may have been killed or injured.

1889
May 31, Johnstown, Pa.: More than 2,200 died in flood after South Fork Dam of the Little Conemaugh River collapsed, causing a wall of water 40 feet high.

1984
Dec. 3, Bhopal, India: Toxic gas, methyl isocyanate, seeped from Union Carbide insecticide plant, killed more than 2,000, injured about 150,000.

1944
Oct. 24, South China Sea: the Arisan Maru carrying 1,800 American prisoners was torpedoed by a U.S. submarine and sunk. The Japanese destroyer escort rescued Japanese military and civilian personnel and left the POWs to their fate. It is estimated that only ten prisoners survived the disaster.

1990
Jul. 2, Mecca, Saudi Arabia: a stampede in a 1,800 foot-long pedestrian tunnel leading from Mecca to a tent city for pilgrims killed 1,426 pilgrims who were trampled to death.

no offense to americans, but they tend to see themselves as the center of the world...and some of them tend to over victimize over issues, like terrorism...
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can someone please point me to the premium market. I've been hearing that Apple holds the premium market but last time I checked you can purchase or build your own PC for $2,000+

Enough people have answered this really artless and naive assertion here, but, what the hell, my two bits is below.

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There is no such thing as a premium market. That is something made up by Apple fanboys to justify that Apple has never broken into double digits in the PC arena.

1) They're knocking on the double digit market share door even as you split semantic hairs, and are 2) tearing up the revenue share of computers over $1,000. It's not that you can't buy a $3,000 PC (Velocity, Alienware [super Dell], etc.) or some gearheads can't cobble near the same one together for half that, it's that Apple is winning big in this area and (shock) only a miniscule number of PC-using people actually build their own PC's (or cars, or HDTV's or washing machines).

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Apple creates an arena and will only play in that arena. If they were that proud of their OS and felt that could support the many hardware options MS supports they would have done it a long time ago. Fact is they can't.

It has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with their biz model. MS is a software maker (despite their occasional largely unsuccessful forays into hardware) farming out products to hardware makers with their success hinging on a near monopoly (Win, Server and Office have been a huge % of their profits forever). Apple is a hardware maker using refined OS'es, industry leading support and a unique hardware industrial/product design process to sell machines.

And yes, they once forgot that and entered the clone market. And it just about did them in.

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It's not that hard to have the #1 rating in customer service when you are only supporting 9% of the market and have a handful of hardware options.

Which is why Apple sticks to their biz model - so they CAN have that rating - and be a one-stop service shop, which no one else is. Last I heard they were making a few bucks tending to that knitting.

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....you are seeing the 800 pound Guerillas.....

I hope they're not fighting for Al Qaeda!! Or maybe it was just a bad dream after I ate that Windows 7 Whopper.....

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Every time I go to the grocery store, I half expect to see Microsoft Potato Chips.

No, chips would be a more likely market for Intel. But just the thing to gnosh along with the burger above.

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The idea of directly comparing Mac OS X marketshare to Windows to show which one is healthier get more and more retarded each time it’s stated.

At least when no context is provided to single stats.

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Microsoft needs to just go away, I am so sick of them!!!

MS ain't going anywhere. They're huge, they make huge $$, they have huge $$, they can buy many threats that arise whether they use them or deep-six the tech - and Apple's still an afterthought in the huge Enterprise, SMB and computer gaming markets. Not to mention that Win 7 is a useable product.

Also, don't forget MS is probably Apple's largest revenue ISV!! (Office and all the Bootcamp/Virtualized copies of Windows).

They are on the defensive in many markets, though, and not just from Apple (Google, Sony, Nintendo, etc.), and may have already missed the iDevice revolution. But even so MS and then Compaq and others rocked IBM's world a few decades back and drove them entirely out of the "IBM-compatible" market, but Big Blue's bigger than ever and very successful after refocusing and rebuilding.

Also, their advertising is actually getting better and along with things like Bing, sometimes of late it even seems like they're starting to (gasp!) grasp the concept of cool......

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Seriously, MS does not have an original thought in their collective noggins......

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MS has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Apple.... It's as if they've lost the capacity for original thought.

Saying MS doesn't have or never had an original thought in an AI post long ago ceased to be an original thought.

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Apple's shares are based on Steve Jobs staying alive.

Actually maybe more on Bill Gates not firing his long-time friend, Steve Ballmer. S' the only reason I can see he's still there.
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Of course Apple invented everything.

I climbed out of my iBed this AM, took a quick trip to the iFlush, had a refreshing iShower......

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We have options.

Yes you do. I'm happy for you.

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Unless you are a tree hugger no one cares if their PC is environmentally friendly or not.

MS: the PC for climate change deniers! Now there's a marketing slogan for you.
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All LED does is make the display thinner which most could care less about thin.

LED + ISP has multiple technical (and power-saving) benefits. More even lighting, increased gamut, wider angle of view, etc. Characteristics of (dare I say it) "premium computers."
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Not every windows user has an 800.00 gateway computer or a netbook.

No they don't. Most are buying $4-500 desktops, $4-650 notebooks or netbooks.

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no offense to americans, but they tend to see themselves as the center of the world...and some of them tend to over victimize over issues, like terrorism...

Hmmmm.....No offense to the rest of the world...but when ever something bad happens..... flood, earthquake...finacial collapse......coup attempt.....security threats from other countries. Who is always the first one they contact....USA. Then later they complain....about everything!!!! No matter what the USA does it is always wrong...we should have done something else or we didn't do this or we didn't do enough. But then some other threat happens in the world and everyone turns to the USA to fix it....
Don't get me started......So "douyourownthing" what country are you from?
I don't want to turn this into a nasty little discussion but I will defend my country from potshots from others. The USA has made mistakes just like everyone else so let end this at that.

I would rather get back to discussing TECHNOLOGY

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no offense to americans, but they tend to see themselves as the center of the world...and some of them tend to over victimize over issues, like terrorism...

There are some real and perceived reasons for this phenomenon.

For starters, the US has the largest GDP. So large, in fact, that our economy can go to shit, affect the rest of the world in a domino effect and end up making our dollar stronger because of it. Only in America!

Other reasons revolve around entertainment mostly coming from the US. From TV to Movies most Americans mostly get to see things from a US-centric perspective, while much of the world receives our TV shows and movies.

Then there is sheer size of the nation. Other countries are larger, but the US is well populated with 300M people through most of the contiguous 48 states, unlike Canada and Russia where much of the land is virtually inhabitable. For better or worse, most Americans never leave the country yet can travel by car for several days without reaching the end, while in comparison, I see Big Ben and the Eiffel Tower with only a few hours difference via the Chunnel. Its just too easy to get exposed to other cultures if you live in Europe.
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If the store thing is so 2001, why does Apple continue to open stores? The genius bar is pretty busy most of the time when I walk into the Apple store, so the myth that it "just works" is just that a myth.

I've never had the need to visit an Apple genius bar once for any purpose to this day. The Genius Bar is a place that offers assistance, upgrades, and other things to a user where he/she can get hands on help. 'For the people; not for busted hardware (which would only seem to happen if one were to abuse his/her Apple).

On the other hand, it would seem that Microsoft's "Guru Bar" (a title bursting with originality) would offer an official Microsoft location for a highway of a large volume of virus infected machines or those bearing the "Blue Screen of Death" or some other "Fatal Error," and give the plethora of independent "PC repair shops" something to compete against.
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(...) For starters, the US has the largest GDP. So large, in fact, that our economy can go to shit, affect the rest of the world in a domino effect and end up making our dollar stronger because of it. Only in America! (...)

That's the problem with America; It's a nation built of money, and one that cares only about money. Money is the root of all evil. Thus, an evil nation. In other select cultures where certain manners and standards of behavior are common knowledge, here live wasteful hillbillies in large gas-guzzling trucks with money set as their number one goal in life. Feel free to attempt an argument, but from what I observe in my everyday life here those are the facts currently.

...Not that that has anything to do whatsoever with the new Microsoft Store.
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1995 just called they want their talking points back.

Unfortunately I don't understand your reply.
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That's the problem with America; It's a nation built of money, and one that cares only about money. Money is the root of all evil. Thus, an evil nation. In other select cultures where certain manners and standards of behavior are common knowledge, here live wasteful hillbillies in large gas-guzzling trucks with money set as their number one goal in life. Feel free to attempt an argument, but from what I observe in my everyday life here those are the facts currently.

...Not that that has anything to do whatsoever with the new Microsoft Store.

Clichés and stereotypes are the root of all ignorance.

Anyway, in a few years you wont have to worry about it because China will have the largest GDP. Per capita and/or by land area, there are many, many other nations that are more wealthy than the US. Likely the one you are from, but go ahead and hate on the US I have to get back to wasting fuel and having sex with sister anyway. \
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