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Funny, I've never had a single problem with Vista, and I push it pretty hard with 3D Studio Max, Maya, ZBrush, and Photoshop.

It 'just works'. Always has.

Curious.

"There is no use even posting" .... Correct, like M$, you're fighting a losing battle!

"You have never used these products." .... Fail


"When you have come back to me." .... I'm baaaack ... and please insert comma in appropriate place! (after "have") just so people won't get the wrong idea, ... "not that there's anything wrong with that"

Do you own a horse?

I guess people going back in hordes to XP and Vista's status as the most hated and poorly crafted operating system in recent memory was just a figment of people's imaginations.

Even Bill Gates hated it and all but admitted it point blank right on camera.

You're fine with Vista, which must mean everyone else is.

Try thinking outside of yourself and you'll see it's a completely different situation. You do, of course, know that there is such a thing as the "average user", who forms the vast bulk of the market. If it's no good for the average user . . . it's no good.

The latest from Daring Fireball. As usual, Gruber nails it:


★ Herd Mentality

Conformity is a powerful instinct. Theres safety in numbers. You have to be different to be better, but different is scary.

So of course theres some degree of herd mentality in every industry. But I think its more pronounced, to a pathological degree, in the PC hardware industry. It was at the root of long-standing punditry holding that Apple should license the Mac OS to other PC makers, or that Apple should dump Mac OS and make Windows PCs. On the surface, those two old canards seem contradictory one arguing that Apple should be a hardware company, the other arguing that it should be a software company. But at their root theyre the same argument: that Apple should stop being different, and either act just like other PC makers (and sell computers running Windows) or else act just like Microsoft (and sell licenses to its OS).

No one argues those two points any more. But its the same herd mentality that led to the rash of Apple needs to get in the netbook game punditry that I claim-checked earlier today. I could have linked to a dozen others. The argument, though, is the same: everyone else is making netbooks, so Apple should, too. Why? Because everyone else is.

I think theres a simple reason why the herd mentality is worse in the PC industry: Microsoft. In fact, I think it used to be worse. A decade ago the entire computing industry all facets of it was dominated by a herd mentality that boiled down to Get behind Microsoft and follow their lead, or else youll get stomped. Thats no longer true in application software. The web, and Google in particular, have put an end to that.

But the one area where Microsoft still reigns supreme is in PC operating systems. PC hardware makers are crippled. They cant stand apart from the herd even if they want to. Their OS choices are: (a) the same version of Windows that every other PC maker includes; or (b) the same open source Linux distributions that every other PC maker could include but which no customers want to buy.1

Apples ability to produce innovative hardware is inextricably intertwined with its ability to produce innovative software. The iPhone is an even better example than the Mac.

Its not just that Apple is different among computer makers. Its that Apple is the only one that even can be different, because its the only one that has its own OS. Part of the industry-wide herd mentality is an assumption that no one else can make a computer OS that anyone can make a computer but only Microsoft can make an OS. It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that theyre stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands.

And then theres HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices?

Operating systems arent mere components like RAM or CPUs; theyre the single most important part of the computing experience. Other than Apple, theres not a single PC maker that controls the most important aspect of its computers. Imagine how much better the industry would be if there were more than one computer maker trying to move the state of the art forward.

Take a "chill pill" ... I was referring to this from one of your earlier posts.

"Should I give you the list of software you cant run on a Mac. Not sure the AI server could hold all that info."

I should have included that in my post but did not, ...my bad. Between spelling mistakes and forgetting info, I think it is time for me to leave, but you can still list all that software if you like. I'll see it tomorrow. This time I'm really out.

I never named any trolls, but I'll take your word for it.

We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.

Get a life loser

No I don't then again I don't pretend to own one and I don't pretend to be an expert in horses.

"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.)

I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".

Neither do I, on iPhones or horses ....next?

Your going by one quarters profit My numbers were over a longer period of time. However we can address Q4 numbers once Windows 7 gets rolling. I never said Apples numbers weren't good however MS still has alot more in the bank

Actually, for over a year now MS has had less cash reserves than Apple.

http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/23/mi...sh-than-apple/ I cant find any newer info, but losing your reserves is not something you wish to advertise. Im sure it can be figured out if you look at their quarterlies. Apples reserves have been growing fast. I think they now have between $35-40B on reserve.

Neither company is hurting. MS will selling more many more copies of Win7. With less than 5% worldwide marketshare, MS should ship 18x more copies of Win7 on PCs than Apple ships SL on Macs, even while breaking records yet again. This is not an unexpected outcome..

While MS is not hurting, there financial growth is pretty stagnant. Shareholders do not like that. Building too fast is eradicate and eventual plateau or slowing will scare shareholders. Apple is smart to build carefully with moderated growth year-over-year.

I predict that wihin two years Apples Market Cap valuation will be higher than MS. They beat out Google just a couple days ago.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...c1MI0Aohc8tWpM

Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere

On point is that MSFTs revenue and profit has been falling while AAPLs has been rising. Im certain the Holiday quarter will be record breaking in many ways, but dont dont count Apple out simply because its sells its OS differently than Microsoft. Apples quarterly gross revenue could easily beat MS within a year. And even though software has a higher profit margins, if that trend continues, then even their net profit could be higher than MS.

MS has been in a steady decline for years now.

Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.

They arent staying way ahead. Apple is pushing toward them while they are dropping lower. The gap has been closing for years now. After a couple quarters well see if Win7 is the success they need to widen that gap.

When your OS is licensed to run on every POS PC made by every manufacturer under the sun, that'll tend to happen.

It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that they’re stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands. That's all they have: Windows. No way to differentiate themselves.

And then there’s HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices? But I digress . . .

Someone once told me to "believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see". (and he wasn't even talking about these boards) .... Thank God for the highest user satisfaction surveys in the industry, eh?

Would you rather they have an inferiority complex, like a lot of the M$ trolls that hang around seem to have?

Your view is so slanted its amazing. HP, Sony and Dell all make a wide range of products unlike Apple. You can buy an HP netbook for 300.00 or one of their top of the line notebooks for over 2000.00. Same goes with Dell from a mini all the way to an XPS. I have no clue where you get these companies only sell bargain basement systems. You are so ignorant.

As for the Apple experience, Apple sells a system for 599.00 and a Macbook for 999.00 clearly not out of the range of most consumers. If someone really wanted to by an Apple product and use OSX they could buy a mini and monitor for well under a 1000.00. So its not like people cant afford it or cant buy it many choose not too. Just because you blow your load everytime you think about Apple doesnt mean everyone else does.

People may not want an AOI or have to spend 2700.00 to get a 17" notebook. Apples options are very limited hardware wise and even more so software wise. Your talking about some users experience that only exists between your ears.

You talk abot the herd, Apple is known for having one of the biggest extremist cult following around. So when you hear sheep look in the mirror because its you making the noise.

Glad to see you had a nap and your back. We missed you.

Aw, shucks!

Your perspective is completely skewed. Apple's ads indicate they have an ego problem? What utter nonsense. Apple's ads are aimed at poaching Windows users, which they do quite effectively. There's no ego involved. It's strictly a case of lampooning the annoying flaws of the Windows world as a means to picking up market share. It is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but, hey, that's not Apple's fault.

The only reason it offends you so much, and that you are here trying to justify yourself, is that you know deep down that everything they say is true, but it's so threatening to your sense of self worth to accept that you've wasted so much time on Windows that you express your anger as hostility toward Apple and not its real target. And you think I need to chill? Well, you are in serious denial.

Microsoft is on a serious downhill slide, regardless of how well 7 is received. They may end up like your company, perhaps doing quite well providing service to a core group of loyal customers for a number of years to come. But, in 10 years, we'll all be asking ourselves why we were ever worried about their monopoly. (Which we rightly were at the time, but just like the anti-trust actions against IBM hobbled their monopoly power, so did those against Microsoft, thankfully.) They might have some hope if they got rid of Ballmer and could find an effective leader, but I suspect that their culture is at this point so dysfunctional that it would make little or no difference in the long run.

LOL. If this wasn't so sad it would be funny. The general concensus on the internet is the ads are pathetic and sad, not to mention a simple repeat of the same old ads. People like you have been saying MS has been on a downslide for years and ten years ago people like you said they wouldnt be around yet here they still are with the same market share they have always enjoyed. Ten years from now it will be the same story.

Maybe decades from now MS won't have the leading OS but decades have proven it won't be Apple that unseats them. I have history to back my up statement you have nothing but a fantasy future to try and back up yours.

So, when i had a problem with my iMac, and I had no apple store to visit and Apple told me to go jump at myself, who do I blame?

It has only been a few years since MS started make less revenue, so I dont know why anyone would say that 10 years ago. Jobs had just gotten back to Apple but they were far from being reborn into a viable company.

As for MS not going to be around in 10 years. That simply is impossible. Anonymouse didnt say they would be gone. Look at Apple and Dell to see how a PC company be doing poorly yet still be around.

I think what anonymouse is saying is that MS will may not have the monopoly they have today. If something like ChromeOS can be effective on the low end, which account for the majority of PC sales and Apple can dominate on the high-end like they do now then its Windows may be regulated to the mid-range and business. There is a lot of open source code and with HTML5s local DB caching a lot can be done with a browser based OS; just look at the Pres WebOS.

If their trend continues they could be hurting, but as weve seen many times over a company at the bottom can rebuild itself just a company at the top can crumble.

ActuAlly it's not more if the same. It's very different and fast. I beta tested it for a few months. The media center is very cool and can see how they are focusing on network home dvr sharing.


We all now there's a huge media blitz coming from msft we Lao know most IT firms wil update but as a 99% mac user I was surprised to seecwindiw 7! In nubets 1,2,3,4?as best selling. Yikes. Then I saw footage on the first msft retail store and it was packed.

I can only wonder what will happen if the courier turns out to be true as this would be a first ever Microsoft owned and controlled hardware product. And for the record, I tried vista for two hours and it took over a year to have mackie high end firewire audio drivers with win 7 it worked instantly and mackie hasn't made drivers for win 7 yet. The courier could be a huge game changer and I see a lot of things but never anythnlike this and with no midrange yet again from apple, i bet we see alot of new hackntoshes.

Peace b

The OS debate is really irrelevant... In terms of core OS features and capabilities, Windows and OSX have lots in common. Sure, OSX had some nice features windows doesn't and windows has a few of its own...

The real issue is developers.... 3rd party Hardware and software. OSX and windows live in very different worlds as far as development is concerned. Microsoft and Apple have a very different approach to this.

Apple gets a huge advantage from the start because of how they control the drivers. Many issues, in fact probably most issues with vista were caused by terrible hardware and software drivers, and incompatible programs. Vista's slowness, I think has to do more with security (from malware, and piracy) although drivers and software are a factor here as well.

Windows just has a crappy software ecosystem. Apple has worked very hard to make sure OSX has a good one, even if its small.

Another great example of this is the iPhone. The iPhone was made for developers.

Windows mobile? Not exactly...

This is taking it little personal, do not let people get under your skin, just the internet and in scheme of your life, this discussion forum should mean very little and actually be a relaxing moment to discuss your opinions.

Why people make this statement, ever after MS own CEO admits their got it wrong with Vista and Windows 7 is the real upgrade from XP, what Vista should have been. I do not doubt that you had no issues, but are you saying that its all a myth.

http://apcmag.com/vista_150_problems_0_solutions.htm I use this link because its the most recent and the second comment in forum is a classic.

Vista's failure was mostly in marketing. Early driver and software support issues gave it a bad rep and its lack of software optimization nailed the lid onto its coffin. It works mostly now, however its reputation is forever tarnished. MS is now focusing all its attention to Windows 7.

The fact is a majority of PC users didn't experience any problems with vista... because they never bought it, because people like us told them not to. Now consumers get windows 7 thanks to people like you, me and the miracle of the internet .

Well, of course, that's the reaction I would expect from you. But, here you are on AI frantically trying to convince us all that Apple is pathetic and Microsoft and Windows are absolutely fabulous. You could just be a troll, but I think it's more likely you are here to defend your self-esteem.

As for the ads reinforcing the same message being a negative, you either have shockingly little knowledge of very basic psychology, or again, your denial gets in the way of you seeing the truth; more likely the latter.


Ten years ago, people like me were urging the DoJ to break Microsoft into 4 or 5 pieces because people like me were concerned that they'd be around forever and completely stifle the technology industry if something weren't done about them. I don't think their downslide started until a few years ago, although, perhaps the seeds for it were sown much earlier.

It's more than somewhat ironic that someone who says he works for IBM would make such a strong argument that, because a company is on top, they will remain on top. But, in fact, history isn't such a good predictor of the future, so what you really have supporting your argument is nothing but your fervent desire that it be true.

I doubt very much that Mac OS X will ever become the dominant operating system in the personal computer market (1). What is much more likely is that Google (2) will launch a full scale assault on Microsoft at some point, taking away pretty much all of the low-end, third-world, and very likely the mid-end consumer markets with a free OS that will provide all the features that the average Windows user uses (which isn't really that much) with better security and stability; and Apple will continue its dominance in the high-end of this market.

This will basically leave Microsoft in essentially the same position IBM is in today, with an installed base of business users with too much of a technology commitment to switch to anything else, or needing some specific technology that Microsoft offers and is still better than what Linux can. They might still retain some small segment of the consumer market, but it's hard to see what that might be.

I know you reject this view of the future, but this is where I see the trends pointing, and I don't see anything at all that indicates that Microsoft has a strategy for preventing it. Windows 7 may be the best Windows ever (3), but it isn't that strategy.


NOTES:

1. Not dominant in terms of installed base, at least. In some ways -- e.g., it's already the operating system that is considered the standard of excellence for others to meet, by reviewers and others -- it already is the dominant OS.

2. It might possibly not be Google, but they are certainly the most likely candidate, they certainly have the ambition for it, and they do seem focused on taking revenue from Microsoft wherever they can. And, while for Apple to win, Microsoft doesn't have to lose, for Google to win, Microsoft does have to lose.

3. It's a rather cataclysmic event for an OS vendor when a new release isn't "the best yet". This is the main reason Vista is such a colossal disaster for them and has tarnished their image so badly.

On AppleInsider Forums it is a relaxing discussion for like 3 posts then all the flaming and personal attacks start building up.

Here's from commodore pet wiki:

"The (PET) 2001 was announced at the '77 Winter CES [1] in January 1977"

From Commodore.ca :

Commodore PET History:
Announced and demonstrated in January of 1977 at the Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago, months before the Apple II or Radio Shack TRS80, the Commodore PET was the worlds first "real" computer

Apple might have been widely shipped a month or two before

So, you're confirming that the Prada phone was both released and announced before the iPhone... Prada phone actually went to market just a couple weeks after iPhone was announced...

While I understand the point you are attempting to make, your emphasis on historical precedence is misguided. The ideas of Charles Darwin may very well be considered evolutionary advancements from the ideas of his grandfather, Erasmus Darwin, just as he himself was, but it is Charles Darwin's ideas that are considered revolutionary.

Historical precedence is important... well, historically, but it doesn't necessarily correlate to the importance of something, and certainly not as to which is more revolutionary or not.

Imagine the headline Mr. Mossberg would have written for the book review: Origin of Species more Evolutionary than Revolutionary.

This is really the only part of your last post I need to respond too. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else anything. Just because I state my opinion doesn't mean I'm trying to convert anyone. Remember I use Apple systems also, in fact I am trying this on my macbook pro now. Just because I don't agree with everything Apple does means nothing, I decide what products I want to buy and which ones I don't.

Trying to convert people is like a Republican trying to convert a Liberal, Pro life trying to convert someone that is Pro Choice, people can rarely convert anyone into doing anything.

So your statement is false. In this thread I may disagree with you in another we may agree. Thats the point of a debate. This is the internet if you are taking this too seriously them maybe it time for you to stop posting. One thing I can promise you there isn't anything anyone can say to me on the net that can get me all amped up the way you appear to be, you're defensive not me.