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I don't expect to see any changes to ports or the case. A switch to 16:9 would surprise me because the MacBook just got a complete case redesign which kept the 16:10 aspect ratio.

Im expecting Arrandale early next year, too. Nothing else makes sense. Well see Intel chipsets paired with discrete GPUs. I think the Intel IGP chipsets allow for dynamic switching and maybe they can get both to work in tandem with OpenCL. Right now one is wasted and requires a restart to switch.

I hope we dont get 16:9 but that does inherently allow for better cooling. Id rather see the optical drive go away like in the 15 HP Envy, which just got a Clarkdale Core i7. Maybe its still to soon for all of Apples notebook line to switch to external optical drives, but its not too many revisions off until that change happens.
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Id rather see the optical drive go away like in the 15 HP Envy, which just got a Clarkdale Core i7. Maybe its still to soon for all of Apples notebook line to switch to external optical drives, but its not too many revisions off until that change happens.

It would make sense for Apple to drop the internal optical drive from the MacBook before they drop it from the MacBook Pro. I was hoping that Apple would drop it from the recently redesigned MacBook, but I was disappointed. I think we'll need to wait at least until 2011. In the meantime, there is the MacBook Air, which will become viable as soon as it is available with 4GB of ram.
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post #123 of 134
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In the meantime, there is the MacBook Air, which will become viable as soon as it is available with 4GB of ram.

Unfortunately the MBA doesnt hold enough power for me. The SFF ULV C2D just doesnt work out as fast enough compared to the lower price and not to much heavier 13 MBP. It certainly has its place, but my main machine is a notebook so it cant be the MBA.

PS: The optical drive is one component type that is holding back Apple from going with a thinner unibody like in the MBA. The optical drives they use are ultra-slim 9.5mm high drives. These are not likely to ever get thinner. 2.5 HDDs are also 9.5mm high, but the new SSDs are 7mm high with a space screwed on top. Its obviously too soon for SSDs to replace HDDs in terms of capacity and cost per GB, but in a few years that will less of an issue.
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Unfortunately the MBA doesnt hold enough power for me. The SFF ULV C2D just doesnt work out as fast enough compared to the lower price and not to much heavier 13 MBP. It certainly has its place, but my main machine is a notebook so it cant be the MBA.

The MBA with an Arrandale will be faster than the current models, perhaps as fast as a current MBP. I switched from a MBA to the unibody MB (since renamed MBP) because I needed 4GB. I don't have anything but notebooks. I'm hoping to switch back to a MBA with Arrandale and 4GB.

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The optical drive is one component type that is holding back Apple from going with a thinner unibody like in the MBA. The optical drives they use are ultra-slim 9.5mm high drives. These are not likely to ever get thinner. 2.5 HDDs are also 9.5mm high, but the new SSDs are 7mm high with a space screwed on top. Its obviously too soon for SSDs to replace HDDs in terms of capacity and cost per GB, but in a few years that will less of an issue.

Yes, the optical drive is the main thing constraining the thickness of the MBP (and the MacBook).
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post #125 of 134
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The MBA with an Arrandale will be faster than the current models, perhaps as fast as a current MBP. I switched from a MBA to the unibody MB (since renamed MBP) because I needed 4GB. I don't have anything but notebooks. I'm hoping to switch back to a MBA with Arrandale and 4GB.

I surely dont need 8GB at this point. 4GB is more than enough but the next MBA will have less than adequate storage drive for my needs. Just ordered a 500GB HDD yesterday for my MBP.

Its obvious you know what is coming, but for others here are the next candidates for the MBA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ge.3B_32_nm.29 They are curently using the SL9400 and SL9600 in the MBA. While the CPU TDP is slightly higher in the Arrandale the lack of a north-bridge changes things up. I think the performance bump is more than sufficient so Apple can then look to give the MBA more battery duration. Its by far Apples weakest machine in that area.
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Yes, the optical drive is the main thing constraining the thickness of the MBP (and the MacBook).

And well get back 5 of edge space for ports. Woot!
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post #126 of 134
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I surely dont need 8GB at this point. 4GB is more than enough but the next MBA will have less than adequate storage drive for my needs. Just ordered a 500GB HDD yesterday for my MBP.

I agree that 4GB is enough for the MBA. One might even say that 4GB is necessary and sufficient.

I agree that if you need more than 256GB, then the next MBA is not for you. Personally, 128GB is sufficient for me. Everything else can reside on my Time Capsule.

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Its obvious you know what is coming, but for others here are the next candidates for the MBA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ge.3B_32_nm.29

Your link points directly to the Core i7-620/640UM. The next MBA will use the Core i7-620/640LM shown just below on that page, which is probably what you meant to link to.

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And well get back 5 of edge space for ports. Woot!

Believe it or not, but I never had a problem with the ports on the MBA.
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post #127 of 134
How we work here has changed dramatically over the last 5 years. When our designers and creatives were all on G5 towers with dual processors, 2-3 GB was fine for what they did, which was mostly creating in InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and Flash. Over the last few years, we have complete transitioned to a portable machine workflow and 4GB of RAm is the max and minimum. Instead of sending off work to be tested in PC browsers, we have designers working with Fusion and various windows flavors and browsers. Photoshop, 1 VM, their web development software of choice, Entourage, Word Excel, etc. makes 4GB the bare minimum. Thankfully the new crop of laptops we got can take up to 8GB, an upgrade we will be performing next year.

Personally, I would love to have all our new Macs come with 4GB standard.
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Your link points directly to the Core i7-620/640UM. The next MBA will use the Core i7-620/640LM shown just below on that page, which is probably what you meant to link to.

That is what I was pointing out. The current MBAs use a LV Penryn with a TDP of 17W but the LV Arrandales have a TDP of 25W. Even when savings from not having a separate Northbridge I think its too high for that svelte machine which already has pretty anemic battery duration compared to Apples other notebooks.

So, I think theyll go with the ULV Arrandals which have a TDP of 18W. The current MBAs LV Penryn options are 1.86GHz and 2.13, moving to Arrandales ULV would put it at 2.13 and 2.26, a typical CPU bump in speed while also moving to Core i7. I just dont see a 25W 2.8GHz and 2.93GHz CPU working in there without also changing up something else in a drastic way. Moving to 16:9 could potentially accommodate the extra footprint size and more room for cooling, but I hope not. Im not a fan of that ration on small machines where Im primarily reading.
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post #129 of 134
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Personally, I would love to have all our new Macs come with 4GB standard.

I think you may see that sooner than you think. All iMacs already come with 4GB standard. The MacBook Air and MacBooks Pro should all get 4GB standard in January. The Mac Pro will probably go to 6GB standard when the Gulftown CPUs are available, perhaps also in January. That leaves only the MacBook and the Mac Mini. The MacBook, despite the recent major revision, should get a speedbump in Q1 because of the Arrandales, and might get 4GB standard then. If not, it would happen with the next speedbump after that. The Mac Mini might survive into 2011 with 2GB, but I doubt it.

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The current MBAs use a LV Penryn with a TDP of 17W but the LV Arrandales have a TDP of 25W. Even when savings from not having a separate Northbridge I think its too high for that svelte machine which already has pretty anemic battery duration compared to Apples other notebooks.

So, I think theyll go with the ULV Arrandals which have a TDP of 18W. The current MBAs LV Penryn options are 1.86GHz and 2.13, moving to Arrandales ULV would put it at 2.13 and 2.26, a typical CPU bump in speed while also moving to Core i7. I just dont see a 25W 2.8GHz and 2.93GHz CPU working in there without also changing up something else in a drastic way.

Those speeds are in Turbo mode, which is not sustainable, is single-threaded, and will rarely happen because of Grand Central. Also, remember that the Rev A MBAs used CPUs with 20W TDP. The Northbridge has a TDP of about 10W. There is no chance Apple would use the ULV CPUs which have actual and rated clockspeeds of 1067MHz and 1200MHz. The next MBA will definitely get the Core i7-620LM and 640LM, which have actual and rated clock speeds of 2000MHz and 2133MHz. They are the replacement parts for the CPUs now used in the MBA and have lower TPD than today's CPU + Northbridge.
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post #130 of 134
Mea culpa

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I think you may see that sooner than you think. All iMacs already come with 4GB standard. The MacBook Air and MacBooks Pro should all get 4GB standard in January.
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So I need a MBP because my crap-for-quality MB is just plain dying in several areas.

Anyone think new MBPs in the next two months? January for MWSF? Anyone seen any juicy rumors?
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post #132 of 134
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So I need a MBP because my crap-for-quality MB is just plain dying in several areas.

Anyone think new MBPs in the next two months? January for MWSF? Anyone seen any juicy rumors?

No MWSF anymore. They were allowed to do the keynote at CES, but I think they declined. With all these bloggers, the quickness with which they can get a stream up, and all the other media focusing on Apple these days its cheaper and better just to give a few day notice of a special event when you are ready to release your next products.

I, too, am waiting to buy the next MBP (assuming it offers what I want). I think that February is more likely given that the most likely CPUs, the 32nm Arrandale Core-i7 dual-cores, arent going to start shipping until early next next year. The only mobile Core-i7s are the 45nm quad-cores, and they are too hot at 45W for the MBP which currently uses the 35W.

Since it also removes the Northbridge, which I think has a max TDP of about 8W, hopefully theyll be able to give us more battery time. If they finally remove the optical drive well get 5 inches of port-side space and hopefully a bigger battery to bring it to at least 10 hours. That would rock or me.
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post #133 of 134
January or early February for the next update. Apple typically updates the MBPs on a 5-6 month cycle, and the current iteration showed up in July. The update early next year should be a solid boost in performance, but my sights are set on the second bump of 2010.
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post #134 of 134
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No MWSF anymore. They were allowed to do the keynote at CES, but I think they declined. With all these bloggers, the quickness with which they can get a stream up, and all the other media focusing on Apple these days its cheaper and better just to give a few day notice of a special event when you are ready to release your next products.

I, too, am waiting to buy the next MBP (assuming it offers what I want). I think that February is more likely given that the most likely CPUs, the 32nm Arrandale Core-i7 dual-cores, arent going to start shipping until early next next year. The only mobile Core-i7s are the 45nm quad-cores, and they are too hot at 45W for the MBP which currently uses the 35W.

Since it also removes the Northbridge, which I think has a max TDP of about 8W, hopefully theyll be able to give us more battery time. If they finally remove the optical drive well get 5 inches of port-side space and hopefully a bigger battery to bring it to at least 10 hours. That would rock or me.

Hm no optical you think? Interesting. While at first that made me nervous, I realized I rarely use the optical drive and if so, it's at home, where an external drive like with the MacBook Air would work. Interesting indeed. I think I'd go for that! Just like ditching the floppy on iMacs in the 90s...
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