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Apple would have made tons of cash selling netbooks instead of macbooks. You're completely right, as usual.

Yes if they had Apple Taxed them and charged $700, still lower than anything else they offer.
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You do understand that Apple is a company that has to make a profit? That Apple is able to do what it does because it maintains the highest margins of any computer manufacturer? That's the whole point of the company. Netbooks are a poor compromise and don't make a profit, ask Michael Dell.

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Apple would have made tons of cash selling netbooks instead of macbooks. You're completely right, as usual.

I implore you, dont feed his trollish behaviour. Having him on ignore is pointless if people reply. Hes not going to understand that Apples goals of making a profit are not congruent with his own goals of saving a dime. He wont understand that even if gross profit percentages are the same, that lowering a price means that your gross profit per unit is lower.
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Yes if they had Apple Taxed them and charged $700, still lower than anything else they offer.

So how have they painted themselves into a corner? Why couldn't they do that now, if they could before? The school of teckstudian logic never ceases to amaze me.
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I implore you, dont feed his trollish behaviour. Having him on ignore is pointless if people reply. Hes not going to understand that Apples goals of making a profit are not congruent with his own goals of saving a dime. He wont understand that even if gross profit percentages are the same, that lowering a price means that your gross profit per unit is lower.

Sorry, I did it again.
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600 for a tablet is too much in my mind. Others will find that a value to them. Then again, I really don't like the "pure touch screen" idea for something that will be bigger than the iPhone. And definitely not worth 600 if it doesn't come with full OS X.

My guess is that this device is over hyped by everyone, and will end up in the undeveloped bin like the AppleTV. Its a niche device that probably won't see to much action. Of course, I can be wrong.
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600 for a tablet is too much in my mind. Others will find that a value to them. Then again, I really don't like the "pure touch screen" idea for something that will be bigger than the iPhone. And definitely not worth 600 if it doesn't come with full OS X.

My guess is that this device is over hyped by everyone, and will end up in the undeveloped bin like the AppleTV. Its a niche device that probably won't see to much action. Of course, I can be wrong.

A tablet won't be for everyone, but as always, I am interested in why you require "full" OSX on a $600 device. I feel that most people who want full OSX severely underestimate the potential of iPhone OS and ignore the downsides of using OSX on a full touch device, with relatively underpowered hardware.

PS. With a couple changes, AppleTV could jump out of that undeveloped bin.
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So how have they painted themselves into a corner? Why couldn't they do that now, if they could before? The school of teckstudian logic never ceases to amaze me.

Simple 2 years too late- innovators late at the table not cool. Ok? Now back to your barn.
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I implore you, don’t feed his trollish behaviour. Having him on ignore is pointless if people reply. He’s not going to understand that Apple’s goals of making a profit are not congruent with his own goals of saving a dime. He won’t understand that even if gross profit percentages are the same, that lowering a price means that your gross profit per unit is lower.

Man you're so pathetic. Let people think for themselve rather than spew your old stockholder mantra of "Apple is a company that needs to make a profit, bla, bla, bla". Seriously anyone who wants to discuss anything don't listen to sloppism and his FUD. I can handle any debate and slopsism ( who keeps peering out of his ignore list ) doesn't need to read it. Remember he was the one that said - no video camera for iPhone because "Applenia a company that.......... Same thing with matte on the 15" MBP- I could go on and on with his ridiculous prediclons- all proven false.
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I would never discriminate against a hungry troll.

That's the spirit!!
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Yes if they had Apple Taxed them and charged $700, still lower than anything else they offer.

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Simple 2 years too late- innovators late at the table not cool. Ok? Now back to your barn.

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The SONY VAIO VPCCW13FX 14" is a netbook? $799.99 with Windows 7 in todays J&R ad.

So in the same thread you've argued both that Apple can sell a $700+ netbook today (because Sony is) and that Apple can't sell a $700+ netbook today because they are two years too late. I'm done quoting you in this thread, or else I'll end up on ignore lists too.
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Next time you rush to criticize someone, maybe you could also have something relevant to say?

We all know they are coming out with a bigger iphone type device. This guy said it out loud to his employees so they won't be caught behind the wave next time. Really a big deal? I don't think so.

Wow, deep.
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techstud on my ignore too. wow suddenly the forums have lost that foul smel.

It's probably the single biggest event since the iPhone launch. To me this is more important, on par with the first mac dare I say. I don't doubt this will be a huge success and a fantastic computer, what I am interested to see is the tec it comes with. I can see why the project was rebooted so many times: the battery, CPU, storage and dsplay tec simply was not there for such a device. It's interesting in that it still isn't, only marginally, only just. But apple more than anyone now has the clout to get the latest and greatest in tec in decent prices so they can drive costs down. Let's face, all previous tablets were a joke. Now is the tablet reivented.

But still, the cost? I mean shouldn't it have two cortex arm CPUs? Or a non underclocked one like the iPhone? And such displays to make them easy for reading and durable, that comes at a cost. Plus where is that battery tec going to come from? iPhone battery times will not be acceptable for the tablet yet scale tells us that is almost the best we can hope for.

I am very excited for the tablet, very, very excited
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what's this? i drop into this thread hoping to read some thoughts about the iTab, a favorite guessing game, and find - a flame war?

anyway, my bet is $499 for a 64G iTab and $599 for 96G.

because just to scale up the iPod touch with a 3x bigger screen (9 times as much area) adds only a few costs to its component list:

- bigger LED screen of course (but they are so cheap these days)
- bigger case
- faster processor
- bigger battery (big winner here)
- iPhone quality camera.

that's pretty much it. the rest of the components ought to be virtually the same as the touch. the 64G touch costs $399, and all these items don't add another $100.

the real changes will be the new software enhancements - multitasking (probably multi-app simultaneous viewing, a knock-out feature), special iLife and iWork apps, and so on.

should be a sensation. then Apple will knock the price down $100 more next June like they always do ...
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I think Apple would very much capitalize in offering something (other than a mac mini which is useless by itself w/o monitor/keyboard) around $600. There is a huge general population that wants to buy an electronic device that can view books, write documents, surf the internet and maybe even watch movies. These people don't want to pay thousands of dollars to do this. They also want something easy to use and just works. This is one result in the spike of netbook sales. Apple must act now or they may not get in the door on this one. My own personal opinion is that Apple could dominate the market if they just reach this big hole for them. Most people I know settle for PC laptops and portable devices because they are not willing to pay the extra price Apple charges. i.e. A compaq runnin Windows 7 $400 the cheapest Mac with a screen is more than double. It's about time Apple reached these people.
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So in the same thread you've argued both that Apple can sell a $700+ netbook today (because Sony is) and that Apple can't sell a $700+ netbook today because they are two years too late. I'm done quoting you in this thread, or else I'll end up on ignore lists too.

I never said Apple can sell a $700 netbook, I said Apple is not going to sell a $600 Tablet - it will be at least $1,100. Where'd I say that about Apple selling a SOny netbook? I never said that.
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what's this? i drop into this thread hoping to read some thoughts about the iTab, a favorite guessing game, and find - a flame war?

anyway, my bet is $499 for a 64G iTab and $599 for 96G.

because just to scale up the iPod touch with a 3x bigger screen (9 times as much area) adds only a few costs to its component list:

- bigger LED screen of course (but they are so cheap these days)
- bigger case
- faster processor
- bigger battery (big winner here)
- iPhone quality camera.

that's pretty much it. the rest of the components ought to be virtually the same as the touch. the 64G touch costs $399, and all these items don't add another $100.

the real changes will be the new software enhancements - multitasking (probably multi-app simultaneous viewing, a knock-out feature), special iLife and iWork apps, and so on.

should be a sensation. then Apple will knock the price down $100 more next June like they always do ...

Again, my 32GB iPhone costs $700 in its 3rd generation. How can you be serious?
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I paid 300 on a phone. If this thing is as cool as I hope it would be, I could see myself spending 600.
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Again, my 32GB iPhone costs $700 in its 3rd generation. How can you be serious?

what has that iPhone have that the $299 32G touch doesn't? a camera, GPS/compass, SIM chip and phone antennas. do they cost $400 more in parts, or is the iPhone no-contract price jacked way way up? the latter of course.

the touch, without any telco subsidy, is the real price benchmark. you know Apple is not selling them at a loss. and its new iTab has to be priced low enough to really invade the market successfully.
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Sorry, I did it again.

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I have yet to see anyone point out the obvious, that this poll came from the same company that prdicted DOOM! and GLOOM! for Apple because they didn't have a netbook and their "Back to School" selling season for their notebooks was going to be a disaster.

Um, Excuse me. Anyone see the recent Apple sales figures?

I suggest all those that believe this tripe read some real commentary about this from Daringfireball's blog.

To wit: I
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’m sure Apple’s executives will take these survey results very seriously, given that they come from the same company that, just a few weeks ago, predicted doom and gloom for Apple’s back-to-school laptop sales because the kids all want “netbooks”.

I hear next week’s Retrevo survey will show that people in hell want ice water.
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Looks who's telling who to be ashamed - the Canadian who compared US flag waving to the Nazis. Where's our apology- we are waiting for it.

WTF? I stated a fact. Nothing pejorative about that. Besides .. different thread, different context, etc. why bring it up here?

My point is that the "study" is BS, and it is. Lots of people have pointed it out.
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You have to love the way these people think:

"Apple had better hurry up if they want to capture any of the netbook market because many consumers, both Mac and PC owners, have already bought a netbook and many more plan on buying one soon," the study said.

Can you imagine if, just before the iPhone launch, a study had said "Apple had better hurry up if they want to capture any of the smartphone market because many consumers, both Mac and PC owners, have already bought a mobile phone and many more plan on buying one soon".

Do people really get paid for writing this kind of 'analysis'?
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Apple has done quite well, thank you, by basically ignoring the results of "studies" like this one. Instead they make decisions based on SJ's unwavering intuition on what will be the next great thing. I doubt Apple is interested dumpster diving to pick up some of the sludge at the bottom of the PC market juts to increase market share. Why would they want to become the purveyors of cheap junk like the rest of the industry? Whatever the rumored device turns out to be 1. It won't be cheap. 2. It will be insanely great. 3. It will be labeled as D.O.A. by the pundits (just like the iPhone) 4. It will succeed in spite of the trolls in forums.
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A tablet won't be for everyone, but as always, I am interested in why you require "full" OSX on a $600 device. I feel that most people who want full OSX severely underestimate the potential of iPhone OS and ignore the downsides of using OSX on a full touch device, with relatively underpowered hardware.

PS. With a couple changes, AppleTV could jump out of that undeveloped bin.

I dunno that they want "full OSX" as much as they want OSX apps. The oft repeated calls for powerpoint and keynote are but a few of the desireable apps to have on a tablet for it to be a laptop replacement.
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I dunno that they want "full OSX" as much as they want OSX apps. The oft repeated calls for powerpoint and keynote are but a few of the desireable apps to have on a tablet for it to be a laptop replacement.

There is no reason those key apps couldn't be created for a tablet running iPhone OS. In fact I would bet on a tablet coming with some new apps. Even Safari would probably be redone for a tablet.
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A...I am interested in why you require "full" OSX on a $600 device...

For me it is Photoshop and Illustrator and unfortunately the Microsoft suite. I also think it NEEDS to have a pen/stylus. Yes I realize the limitations that the hardware will put on an application like Photoshop, but the "freedom" that a tablet brings to the application is a natural fit.

The Microsoft apps are unavoidable on something that could be used for business, and why else would people cary around a tablet if they could not get ride of their laptop or iPhone or preferably both. So business use should be taken into account. No it will not be a high production tool, but one that brings unsurpassed mobility to the applications that are used and shared on the desktop. Take it to a meeting and open the necessary document there to share, make notes, and even minor alterations to.

Given the above I think that it is unrealistic to assume that the software developers will maintain yet another set of code specifically for a tablet based system. The applications that will be most in demand are already desktop based (OS X) so it is logical to use that OS for the device with alterations to the OS to allow for easy integration in the new interface without the need for the developers to maintain another set of code for the software. Therefor, as I see it, the device should be powered by OS X and not the iPhone OS to allow for the best chance of survival. It would probably cut into laptop sales but could help to boost desktop sales.

Of course I could be wrong, I have been in the past and will surely be in the future as well.
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There is no reason those key apps couldn't be created for a tablet running iPhone OS. In fact I would bet on a tablet coming with some new apps. Even Safari would probably be redone for a tablet.

I think that the desktop applications like Powerpoint, Word, Excel, and Acrobat would be vital to the success of a tablet. I also think that it is unrealistic to expect full cooperation from Adobe and Microsoft to port those to a new OS in a timely manner if at all, even one as similar as the iPhone OS is to OS X. Another application that I think would be good to have access to on such a device is a database, but a good number of those have some web based interface today. However, since I still have problems with some web sites on Safari and have to switch to Firefox to ensure that I have all the functions available I would say that FireFox is a necessary application as well.
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It will be $699.99US... yes, I still remember the Newton

Seriously, I think it will be between $1000-$1200US, no contract (assuming it has HSPDA/UMTS 3G/3.5G data connectivity).

I agree that the study 'results' are crap. $600 isn't a sweet spot. It's where almost anyone who wants one would buy one.
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$600 isn't a sweet spot. It's where almost anyone who wants one would buy one.

But isn't that the definition of a sweet spot?
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But isn't that the definition of a sweet spot?

That is essentially how I would define it.
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post #113 of 128
I have a fuzzy feeling that tells me the device will cost $799.
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How can one determine a fair price when you don't know what it is or what it does?!
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I think that the desktop applications like Powerpoint, Word, Excel, and Acrobat would be vital to the success of a tablet. I also think that it is unrealistic to expect full cooperation from Adobe and Microsoft to port those to a new OS in a timely manner if at all, even one as similar as the iPhone OS is to OS X. Another application that I think would be good to have access to on such a device is a database, but a good number of those have some web based interface today. However, since I still have problems with some web sites on Safari and have to switch to Firefox to ensure that I have all the functions available I would say that FireFox is a necessary application as well.

I'd rather wait a while for a few applications than be stuck with a sub-optimal user experience forever. Of course everyone can have differing opinions on that. I think the consumer end can sustain a tablet while the corporate end catches up.
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I'd love a tablet just to have the latest and greatest. But I already have an iPhone and a MBP so I don't know that I really need one. That would be a bit much even for me. I'm afraid I would be lugging around all three devices.

...so this is going in the dash of my car as a removable front end to a car stereo. I paid over a grand for a Pioneer AVIC-3 three years ago, and a 10 inch iPod Touch (in effect) would run circles around it in terms of ease of use and features. If the car stereo manufactures don't start making a cradle for this device to snap-in (and out) that connects to an amp, power, speakers and an antenna, I will be utterly amazed.

I'll have every one of my vehicles at the shop the day these come out.
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As far as I'm concerned, $800 would be far too much for a thing that Apple might release at some point, especially if it has a size and functionality.

Unless it's too big, or doesn't do enough. Or too much. Then that's not enough. Unless it isn't.

At any rate, I'm going to get one and use it fix my life. If it doesn't do that, then it's worthless. But Apple will trick me into buying it anyway. Greedy bastards.

I bet it doesn't even work.
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Man you're so pathetic. Let people think for themselve rather than spew your old stockholder mantra of "Apple is a company that needs to make a profit, bla, bla, bla". Seriously anyone who wants to discuss anything don't listen to sloppism and his FUD. I can handle any debate and slopsism ( who keeps peering out of his ignore list ) doesn't need to read it. Remember he was the one that said - no video camera for iPhone because "Applenia a company that.......... Same thing with matte on the 15" MBP- I could go on and on with his ridiculous prediclons- all proven false.

Ouch. Heh.

Yeah, there are one or two on these boards that don't like the 'non-typical' Apple view. I guess they can ignore or talk to someone else. Fair enough, I guess.

They were the ones that said Apple didn't need a 'sub-k' Mac. Don't need an iMac bigger than 15 inch. Never to Intel. No to an mp3 player...phone...Apple doing cut price aka Snow Leopard £25. Yet, here we are.

Guess that 'they' (who ever 'they' are...heh) were emphatically wrong. Like all arm chair iCEOs, we're frequently wrong about Apple. Or they often prove commentators and the conservatives on these boards wrong.

People tend to forget, just because Apple strikes a pose...doesn't mean they're a statue.

And I admire them for that quality alone.

As for teckstud. He's entitled to his opinion. America is a purported democracy? As for me, I find his posts amusing, frank and re-freshing from the stale, 'I'm a stockholder and it's ok for Apple to be greedy' posts or the 'I know what Apple thinks because I re-gurgitate Apple's PR' posts. These are 'rumour' boards. As such, intangibles the premium currency.

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10 inch iPod Touch

or iPhone would be just fine. I think it's the perfect size for small paperback to magazine size reading. Slouching on the sofa with that? Me and teh box of Maltesers never gets off the sofa. It's the ultimate in 'doss' computing.

Apple cleans up if they can hit a price just above the 'best' netbooks. Kindle and Sony get their butt handed to them.

So much promise... If they can deliver the shockwave of a 10 inch iPhone/Pod. It's good night Vienna for the opposition.

It's the device we all want...we just don't know it yet.

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There is no reason those key apps couldn't be created for a tablet running iPhone OS. In fact I would bet on a tablet coming with some new apps. Even Safari would probably be redone for a tablet.

I'm sure that Apple can port iLife and iWork to the iPhone OSX (on ARM) any time they wanted.

Powerpoint might be a tad tougher. Lightroom? Not likely.

A (slate) tablet would be great for certain content creators like photographers and powerpoint warriors (no, I don't equate the two )

The advantage of an Atom based tablet running full OSX is that you can run any of the normal productivity apps on the tablet if you had a keyboard and mouse attached (just sloooowly). Porting iPhone apps to the tablet wouldn't be hard and more likely than the other direction.
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