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Originally Posted by SinisterJoe View Post

I'm puzzled that Apple hasn't bothered to update FrontRow to match the Apple TV features. Once upon a time they were almost identical but since then Apple TV got 2 major updates and 0 for FrontRow. I don't mind using Plex but I would like iTunes Store integration.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Apple dropped updating FrontRow long ago. With the Snow Leopard release, they made QuickTime X which helps with their iTunes Store video collection, but did not update DVD Player or FrontRow. They are just old stagnant pieces of software like Sherlock was for so long.

As an aside, they didnt update Dashboard, either. If I a conspiracist Id say they since cant make extra money off the widgets they dont care about them.

I agree with both of you.

However, the number of people who use a Mac mini AS a super Apple TV and/or basis of a home theater system is pretty high, perhaps even accounting for a large proportion of mini sales (given that it hasn't turned out to be a very successful BYO monitor and keyboard switcher machine, as was originally intended).

This means there are likely to be a large number of people who might buy the mini if it was just a little better in its home theater support, that is, if Front Row was updated.

Now, if it comes to making a profit, the Apple TV is $229, and a mini starts at $599 plus desirable extras to bump it up to full home theater worthiness.

These could be additional Mac sales - Mac sales that will later result in more OS upgrade purchases, Apple accessories, new remotes, overpriced cable dongles, etc, etc. (All of which I've happily bought for my home theater mini - I'd even pay for an updated Front Row with new AppleTV features.)

By not updating Front Row, I think they're missing an opportunity.
post #82 of 151
Hey can iPhoto now sync slideshows to the AppleTV?
It seems such a let down that you can only sync albums (and now events) to the AppleTV or iPhone, when you've setup a specific slideshow with the music you want, durations you want, and transitions you want.

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Originally Posted by michaelb View Post

By not updating Front Row, I think they're missing an opportunity.

Agreed.

Better yet - have AppleTV app for the Mac, and AppleTV app for the iPhone (with dock) so that there are 3 different ways of getting AppleTV on your TV.
post #83 of 151
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Originally Posted by filburt View Post

While 3.0 is much needed with freshly improved UI, I am a bit underwhelmed. I was hoping for at least one major new feature, either USB external disk support, TV subscription, Netflix streaming, Hulu, or Vimeo.

I am just guessing here, but I suspect new remote will be included with updated 3.0 Apple TV packaging.

For a FREE upgrade, I think this is a very good update.
post #84 of 151
Nice to see "My ......" at the top of the menus now.
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Nice to see "My ......" at the top of the menus now.

This had to be stated again and louder.
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post #86 of 151
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Originally Posted by swinge View Post

LOVE IT!!

Nice quote...
post #88 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

1024 is HD. I'll be the first one in line when Apple releases a true HD model.

The first (and 2nd) AppleTV were true HD.
720P is true HD.
post #89 of 151
I have always thought that ATV's USB port should support the growing number of 2.1 speakers that source the digital sound via USB - Bose and Focal 3 for example. Anyone tried this with 3.0?
post #90 of 151
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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

I believe you mean 1080, and from a definition standpoint, 720p is considered HD.

While I can tell a difference between the 720p content on my AppleTV and the 1080 content on my HD-DVDs (yeah, I was one of them), it's not significant enough to offset the absolute convenience (and cost savings) of the AppleTV.

Doh! Red wine and commenting doesn't mix. Yes, 1080. I thought long and hard about my love of Apple and the clarity of Blu-Ray last year. I went with Blu-Ray. Apple needs to catch up.
post #91 of 151
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

The first (and 2nd) AppleTV were true HD.
720P is true HD.

Nope. 1080P is true HD. 720P is for the cheap guys. Fox is 720 (I think still) and even Sony tried to get away with it at first. Apple is falling behind.
post #92 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Doh! Red wine and commenting doesn't mix. Yes, 1080. I thought long and hard about my love of Apple and the clarity of Blu-Ray last year. I went with Blu-Ray. Apple needs to catch up.

LOL. I'll be starting my dose here shortly . I had the same internal debate myself last year: Apple TV or Blu-Ray. I went with the Apple TV when I did the math and saw how much money I would save over Cable. I don't regret my decision, even though I'd love the flexibility of the PS/3 as it sounds to be less strict with the formats it supports.

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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Nope. 1080P is true HD. 720P is for the cheap guys. Fox is 720 (I think still) and even Sony tried to get away with it at first. Apple is falling behind.

Call me cheap then, 'cause I'm not in a hurry to upgrade to 1080p. Still, every source I've read states that HD is 720p (including the masters at Wikipedia).
post #93 of 151
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Originally Posted by hlfnlsn View Post

So, you don't have any cable tv at all? I can see all the savings there if you decide not to get cable tv period, but I guess you never watch the news, live sporting events, awards shows or any random television. Unfortunately I can't breakdown the cost savings like that cause I'm only looking at the few dollar jump between SD package and HD package. Plus, I do watch alot more than just 2-3 shows per season. I have kept trying to take a serious look at ATV but always find a higher pic quality solution through other means. Blu-Ray purchase(love collecting and can't top the quality), netflix(usually get to see quality blu-ray content quicker that what the iTS makes available), just set up ps3mediaserver so I can stream all my .mkv torrent files straight through my ps3, and I have a WD HD Media Player(pic quality of which is far better than anything I've seen on an aTV, and there new live model has ethernet hook ups for streaming).

I have "Limited Basic" which gives me channels 2-29 for $14/month. In there are the local HD channels. I do miss out on Sci-Fi, USA and FX, but I really don't watch enough TV to justify the extra cost. Especially considering one month of the next tier (non-HD Digital Cable runs about $55) would pay for a subscription to a year of a series. One year of that payment would cover twelve shows! I do get news and sports and the occasional random TV. It's certainly a sacrifice, but one that makes sense for me...

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And no this isn't teckstud BTW what did he end up getting banned for?

He's got a temporary ban for insulting another member.
post #94 of 151
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

As an aside, they didnt update Dashboard, either. If I a conspiracist Id say they since cant make extra money off the widgets they dont care about them.

I was wondering if iphone Apps might morph into widgets. That would be incredible. So many apps I'd love to run on my computer and or ATV.

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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I hope the new remote is included though I'll eventually buy a Harmony remote to tie everything together.

I've resigned myself to the reality that Netflix streaming is gonna have to come through my next Blu-ray player.

You do know that ATV can learn commands from any remote right? You don't need a harmony at all. I'm using my Hitachi remote to control my ATV. Works great!

The fact that there is now an "internet" category with only two features makes me think there is much more to come. (Hulu/ Boxee support) Otherwise why the new and relatively empty column?

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Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

Well I do like this, don't get me wrong... but:

1) still no real sleep mode?! I can't stand the sound of the drive.

You can put ATV into standby under settings. MY ATV is dead quiet so you might have a bad drive.

Overall the update is a little underwhelming at first but I think it's intended to set up ATV for some great new features and integration with the tablet. After using the Iphone remote with it, it's really nice to swipe through the menus now.

C'mon Games and Apps and Tablet controller.
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post #95 of 151
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Originally Posted by hlfnlsn View Post

...and I have a WD HD Media Player(pic quality of which is far better than anything I've seen on an aTV, and there new live model has ethernet hook ups for streaming).

Forgot to ask what you think of the WD. I'm eying the new Popcorn Hour as it apparently supports every format imaginable, and the new device also has a drive bay for a Blu-Ray drive. But, the WD is less than half the price of the Popcorn Hour. I think it also has a coax audio connection rather than optical - that solves one of my connection issues as my receiver is out of optical ports... Otherwise, I'll probably retire the HD DVD player and put the Popcorn Hour and BD in its place (which would save me from having to install the HDMI switch I bought a few months ago).
post #96 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Nope. 1080P is true HD. 720P is for the cheap guys. Fox is 720 (I think still) and even Sony tried to get away with it at first. Apple is falling behind.

I am asking as 'cheap guy': who does 1080p broadcasts?

And, what media - live or otherwise - do you consume in 1080p with the same variety and quality and choices at 720p?
post #97 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

I went with Blu-Ray. Apple needs to catch up.

Catch up to what? The tiny, irrelevant proportion of the video-consuming market that is Blu-Ray? Nah. You guys are a waste of time and money. When and if the market for guys like you is mature, large, and inexpensive enough and justifies Apple's expense and expertise, the company will be there. Just as it does with the Tablet.

In the meantime, the rest of us heathens will stay dumb, full of choices, and happy. We're in no hurry.
post #98 of 151
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

That is a nice little tweak.

ATV V2 would play music until you make another selection as well.

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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Hey can iPhoto now sync slideshows to the AppleTV?

I don't remember if V1 ATV software could do slideshows but V2 could; V3 certainly can.

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Originally Posted by MacHay View Post

I have always thought that ATV's USB port should support the growing number of 2.1 speakers that source the digital sound via USB - Bose and Focal 3 for example. Anyone tried this with 3.0?

Why do you need USB when ATV has optical? There are plenty of optical speaker kits available.

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I have "Limited Basic" which gives me channels 2-29 for $14/month. In there are the local HD channels.

Agreed; we gave up cable all together, but no I don't watch sports or propaganda, Uh I mean NEWS. I prefer to read my news; I don't need all of the extra commentary from so called "reporters". Walter Cronkite they are not any longer.

It seems expensive at first glance but if you do the math you'd be surprised how much one can rent/ buy for an equivalent cable bill and you can save all of that nasty encoding time from DVD, TIVO etc. adding art and information.

TV shows showing up the day after it airs is fast enough for me, but I guess TV is really important to some. Personally I'd rather see more movies to rent/ buy sooner.

720 vs. 1080? I can't believe some are so hung up on it. 720p at 5MB/s looks fine. Hell most of what I buy from Itunes is still SD. (Thank god Apple now offers 16*9 and no more 320 that was a real drag) Is it really that important to see ever hair on the face of your favorite star in everything you watch? Most of the time you'll only watch it once.

Enjoy the show and get past the marketing pitch. Studios and device manufacturers are only trying to soak us for another round of movie purchases. As a matter of fact it's called "multiple bites at the Apple". and it's a rather offensive phrase if you ask me because it implies that consumers are all "too stupid" to realize that they've bought the same thing 6 different ways. Stop feeding the system.
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post #99 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Nope. 1080P is true HD. 720P is for the cheap guys. Fox is 720 (I think still) and even Sony tried to get away with it at first. Apple is falling behind.

Keep in mind that some 720p is better than other 720p. AppleTV 720p has a max bit rate of 5 Mbps. That is pretty low quality HD.
post #100 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Nope. 1080P is true HD. 720P is for the cheap guys. Fox is 720 (I think still) and even Sony tried to get away with it at first. Apple is falling behind.

720p meets the HD standard, as does 1080i. 1080p wasn't in the original standard but was added later.

1080p is actually true 1080p.

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post #101 of 151
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

as long as apple do not release a raid home nas to serve atv to me it's useless. I am not prepared to run the mac solely on the basis of serving to the atv. and add some pvr capabilities for crying out loud. (as far as I m aware the indepent solutions for jailbreaking and running on the apple tv do not allow that so far right?)

btw, does anyone know if the nas servers with integrated iTunes serving functionality can interface with the atv?

Can't you run AppleTV from a PC too? The PC version of iTunes should be able to connect up with it the same way.

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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

I believe you mean 1080, and from a definition standpoint, 720p is considered HD.

That's true.

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While I can tell a difference between the 720p content on my AppleTV and the 1080 content on my HD-DVDs (yeah, I was one of them), it's not significant enough to offset the absolute convenience (and cost savings) of the AppleTV.

Convenience, I get, but cost savings? Are you comparing buying vs. buying or comparing renting vs. buying? Also, the cost of Blu-Ray players is down to about AppleTV prices now.

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Who is teckstud?

You know, using multiple accounts is grounds for a permanent ban, and if that happens with multi-account user, the ground is salted as best as possible so nothing grows there again.

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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

I don't hear the drive on my AppleTV but I wish there was a sleep mode to keep the heat down. It just feels like something wrong with that thing when it is always so warm.

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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

You can put ATV into standby under settings. MY ATV is dead quiet so you might have a bad drive.

Why isn't it set as default?
post #102 of 151
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I am asking as 'cheap guy': who does 1080p broadcasts?

Direct TV does. That doesn't mean they can't compress the hell out of it, though, like broadcast stations and cable providers do with 1080i and 720p.

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post #103 of 151
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I don't remember if V1 ATV software could do slideshows but V2 could; V3 certainly can.

V2 can't do slideshows - not the way iPhoto does them (with preset music and transitions). ATV will slideshow an album, but it will pick random music (which frequently is inappropriate for the album I might add!) and use whatever transition you've set in the global preferences.

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Agreed; we gave up cable all together, but no I don't watch sports or propaganda, Uh I mean NEWS. I prefer to read my news; I don't need all of the extra commentary from so called "reporters". Walter Cronkite they are not any longer.

Hehehe - completely agree. I do watch local news sometimes just to get the daily updates, but I can't stand the fact that most of the "journalists" are nothing more than a pretty (aka fake-looking) talking head with no personality.

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It seems expensive at first glance but if you do the math you'd be surprised how much one can rent/ buy for an equivalent cable bill and you can save all of that nasty encoding time from DVD, TIVO etc. adding art and information.

Yep - I actually come to terms with that a lot when I purchase a show or pre-order a season pass. Gee, $40 sounds like a lot! Then I remember how much money Comcast isn't getting from me and it makes that "Add to Cart" button a lot easier to press.

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TV shows showing up the day after it airs is fast enough for me, but I guess TV is really important to some. Personally I'd rather see more movies to rent/ buy sooner.

I'm rarely able to watch a show the night it airs anyway, so I don't care that it's not available until the next day.

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720 vs. 1080? I can't believe some are so hung up on it. 720p at 5MB/s looks fine. Hell most of what I buy from Itunes is still SD. (Thank god Apple now offers 16*9 and no more 320 that was a real drag) Is it really that important to see ever hair on the face of your favorite star in everything you watch? Most of the time you'll only watch it once.

I agree. My first season pass was Grey's Anatomy in HD. It was nice, but I realised pretty quickly that it was unneccessary, took up more space on my media server, and took much longer to download. This year I bought the SD pass and really don't miss it. Frankly the difference isn't that great. Not for a standard drama. I can tell the difference, but it's not important enough for the average show. Now for Battlestar Galactica, I definitely had the HD versions
post #104 of 151
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

720p meets the HD standard, as does 1080i. 1080p wasn't in the original standard but was added later.

True, but wouldn't 1080i actually look worse than 720p? Since it's interlaced, the actual amount of data being transmitted is really only 540 lines of resolution per frame...

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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Can't you run AppleTV from a PC too? The PC version of iTunes should be able to connect up with it the same way.

Yep, but I wonder how many PC users are interested in a set top box from Apple...

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Convenience, I get, but cost savings? Are you comparing buying vs. buying or comparing renting vs. buying? Also, the cost of Blu-Ray players is down to about AppleTV prices now.

Again it's not cost savings compared to BD, as I think it's arguable that BD prices are comparable to HD purchases from the iTMS. My cost savings is comparing $100/month to Comcast vs purchasing the TV shows I watch from Apple.

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Why isn't it set as default?

Good question - perhaps to ensure that it is always in sync with its master? I don't believe "wake-on lan" is supported via wifi...

I'd guess it doesn't really draw that much power when it's idle, although it does output as much heat as a small space heater
post #105 of 151
Count me in as a satisfied customer. I have been waiting for the Internet Radio and love it. Love the new interface. The Remote update to the iPhone/iPod Touch absolutely rocks with search with keyboard.

Most excellent job Apple!
post #106 of 151
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ATV V2 would play music until you make another selection as well.
Enjoy the show and get past the marketing pitch. Studios and device manufacturers are only trying to soak us for another round of movie purchases. As a matter of fact it's called "multiple bites at the Apple". and it's a rather offensive phrase if you ask me because it implies that consumers are all "too stupid" to realize that they've bought the same thing 6 different ways. Stop feeding the system.

The great thing about Blu-ray is that you don't have to get soaked for another round of movie purchases. The movies you already own still plays in the Blu-ray player. You just have more options. You can buy new movies in HD, you can buy the DVD in SD, you can get used ones in from half.ebay.com or the discount bin at Best Buy. Great to have different options.
post #107 of 151
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Nice to see "My ......" at the top of the menus now.

Whomever at Apple decided to put "My ___ " to the top of the list and add a search for those files is pure genius. Why hadn't anybody heard of or requested that before? Apple keeps pushing the envelope!
post #108 of 151
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Why isn't it set as default?

yeah tell me about it.

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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

True, but wouldn't 1080i actually look worse than 720p?

V2 can't do slideshows - not the way iPhoto does them (with preset music and transitions). ATV will slideshow an album, but it will pick random music (which frequently is inappropriate for the album I might add!) and use whatever transition you've set in the global preferences.

These guys are talking about 1080P BD. 1080I would really be a disappointment. I hate interlaced video. and you're right it takes up way too much HD space and takes way too long to download.

Regarding slideshows... I need to look into it. I got my father-in-laws ATV to display his slide shows with music etc. You have to build them in iphoto and then synch them though. I don't normally build them myself but he has this thing with all of his vacation photos. Ugh.. If I have to listen to Pavarotti again while watching vacation photos from Italy I think I'll stab my ears.

Update: did dome looking around. Forgot that you have to synch the slideshows and the music. It won't stream from a server. Further it seems that there may be some cross "mojination" with iphoto and ATV updates. Hmmmm?
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post #109 of 151
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

1024 is HD. I'll be the first one in line when Apple releases a true HD model.

1024 is not HD. 720p, 1080i, and 1080p are defined as HD.
post #110 of 151
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

The great thing about Blu-ray is that you don't have to get soaked for another round of movie purchases. The movies you already own still plays in the Blu-ray player. You just have more options. You can buy new movies in HD, you can buy the DVD in SD, you can get used ones in from half.ebay.com or the discount bin at Best Buy. Great to have different options.

fair enough. There are lots of options. Too bad for me all of my media is on a server now. I prefer having 4 TB's of shows in one easy to access location at this point. No looking back. Bye Bye optical media.
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post #111 of 151
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True, but wouldn't 1080i actually look worse than 720p? Since it's interlaced, the actual amount of data being transmitted is really only 540 lines of resolution per frame...

Yeah, sorta, but not really. It's not nearly as important on flatpanel LCD monitors as it used to be on tube monitors or TV screens.

Like I said earlier, the level of compression is the overriding factor for quality. Just like you can over-compress a JPEG image or an MP3 audio file, you can also over-compress video.

And it's not just Apple that does that, either. My local OTA network TV affiliates all do this to offer a second SD channel for news or weather on the 6.3 or 7.2 channels. And my cable provider does this on ALL channels to save bandwidth for their crappy inDemand feature movies (which are also over-compressed -- to the point of pixelation).

So don't pay too much attention to the 720p/1080i/1080p designations since they don't mean what you might expect.

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post #112 of 151
Well for people who modify their AppleTV to do more. Like SSH for access, Perian for divx, etc.

The old patchstick still works, ssh works as advertised, codecs install normally. ATV files and such will need a minor update as the ATVfiles causes the finder to not come up...

Woo. Thanks for not entirely breaking stuff Apple
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Originally Posted by telusman View Post

The old patchstick still works, ssh works as advertised, codecs install normally. ATV files and such will need a minor update as the ATVfiles causes the finder to not come up...

Good to know - however, for those of us who are too lazy to do it ourselves, we've been warned by the ATVFlash folk that their tool does not yet work with 3.0. So I'm waiting... As usual...
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Originally Posted by hlfnlsn View Post

So, you don't have any cable tv at all? I can see all the savings there if you decide not to get cable tv period, but I guess you never watch the news, live sporting events, awards shows or any random television.

There's this fantastic technology called wireless: http://www.antennaweb.org

I'm seriously considering dumping my cable - the annual costs are outrageous!
post #115 of 151
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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

True, but wouldn't 1080i actually look worse than 720p? Since it's interlaced, the actual amount of data being transmitted is really only 540 lines of resolution per frame...

No, it's 540 lines per field -- big difference. In any case, if you start with a progressive source then there is actually little difference between 1080p and 1080i playback. Regardless, however, 1080i has 1080 lines of resolution per frame and both 1080p and 1080i can have 24 or 30 frames per second.
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I have bought in every product category Apple has ever made except the boom box and AppleTV. While waiting for Apple to do the right thing and make a DVR I kept adding to and upgrading my TiVo collection. I am so far up TiVo's butt that anything else is redundant. To date, Apple isn't offering anything more or better than I already have and use. I can look at my iPhoto albums and listen to iTunes though our wireless network with TiVo. I can stream movies through our existing Netflix account on TiVo. I keep waiting for Apple to consolidate all those functions and a DVR with a killer UI that tops what I have. As soon as that happens and one of my Tivos die, I'll replace it with Apple.

Being a TiVo addict myself, I had this same opinion of ATV (that is, why bother) until I bought one and started using it. (I may even have an old post or two on this site bashing the ATV.) However I'm not buying stuff from the iTunes store, but rather using it to play TV shows downloaded from the net and ripped DVDs.

ATV keeps track of what you've watched and what you haven't, which TiVo does not do. So if I have, hypothetically speaking, 400+ old Dark Shadows episodes loaded on the ATV, I don't have to keep track of where I left off if I stop watching for a month; ATV can list only the unwatched episodes. Same with movies; I can keep all the movies I've ripped on the Mac and sync only unwatched movies to the ATV. That way I can skim through just the new stuff in one menu, but when friends come over we can pick from the entire library in another menu one click away. With TiVo, movies and TV shows all appear in the same menu, watched or unwatched. TiVo Desktop doesn't support any folder or genre organization of your videos, and TiVo doesn't let you hide stuff you've already seen, because it assumes that after you've watched something you'll delete it.

The ATV still seems pricey at $229, especially for a measly 160GB. I hung an external 1TB drive off the Mac ($88 at Best Buy*) and keep my iTunes folder there, and just leave the Mac on with iTunes running when I want to access something that's not synced to the ATV.

So in short I use the ATV as a complement to my rack of other AV equipment, TiVo included.

*$88 for a terabyte?! Crap, I paid $700 for my very first hard drive in 1987: 20 MEGAbytes.
post #117 of 151
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

Enjoy the show and get past the marketing pitch. Studios and device manufacturers are only trying to soak us for another round of movie purchases. As a matter of fact it's called "multiple bites at the Apple". and it's a rather offensive phrase if you ask me because it implies that consumers are all "too stupid" to realize that they've bought the same thing 6 different ways. Stop feeding the system.

Too late, I've already bought a half-dozen blu-rays on impulse. Some of which may sit in the shrink wrap for years, collecting dust on the shelf above all the unwatched DVDs I've bought over the last decade. When the shelf fills up I'll have to move some to the other shelf above all the unwatched shrink-wrapped LaserDiscs -- which, I noticed from a couple price tags, were more expensive in 1993 than Blu-rays are now.
post #118 of 151
Echoing the majority here, this update is a 2.5 release at best, hardly deserving of a 3.0 moniker. The new main menu with coverflow looks better, maybe, I guess, but I preferred the old system font rather than Helvetica.

I like that the "My Movies", "My TV Shows" etc. now appear at the top of each menu instead of the bottom.

I don't care to see iTunes Store stuff advertised at the top of the Movies/TV Shows/Music pages.

I now have to go into iTunes and select only certain photo albums to sync instead of the entire library -- when scrolling past the Photos option in the main menu, without even selecting it, I see a coverflow view of a few photos from my library which my in-laws do NOT need to see. LOL

The iTunes LP/extra content stuff doesn't interest me. Since Apple jacked the song prices to $1.29 for anything that is new, or was ever even remotely popular, I've been buying MP3s from Amazon instead. I don't think I've ever bought a movie from iTunes either; all my video is ripped from DVDs or downloaded.

The 2.x ATV already did net radio, in a roundabout way, but without iTunes' station directory: by dragging a net radio link into a playlist in iTunes, the ATV will play it. TiVo works the same way if you have TiVo Desktop installed.

For others who keep harping on DVR or Netflix or Hulu or whatever streaming video thingie the Apple TV doesn't have, knock it off already! Apple is selling the box to make money on purchases from the iTunes Store and it will never allow access to services that would compete with itself.

I don't think ATV even needs any of those streaming services because so many other devices support them now. My own HT setup includes lots of overlapping streaming services:

Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma -- Amazon VOD, YouTube
TiVo HD -- Amazon VOD, Netflix, Blockbuster VOD, YouTube
LG BD390 Blu-ray -- Netflix, CinemaNow, Vudu, YouTube
Apple TV -- iTunes, YouTube
Denon AVR-3310CI receiver -- internet radio

I'm surprised the Harmony One remote doesn't play YouTube vids on its tiny LCD. They'd certainly look better there than on the 65" plasma.
post #119 of 151
Told ya it was going to happen a few days ago
post #120 of 151
Well, it sounds to me like these are some worthy updates, that probably sets up the ATV nicely for some new (Internet related) features and hardware next year (in conjunction with the tablet -- which I'm sure will be called the iBook).

I've had a 160GB ATV since v1.1, and have been very happy with it. That's not to say it's perfect (not by any means), but fits with my needs nicely. While I like the look of the new menu system, here's what I would still like to see (much of which will require new hardware):
  • Better HD support -- 1080p would be nice, but I'd be happy with 720p at frame rates higher than 24fps. 720p60 would be great to match the Lumix GH1 I've ordered. My rather ancient Aquos can only display 720p content, so 1080 would only be for future proofing for me. Also, the 5Mbps data rate is a little low -- to match BD this really needs to be bumped to 15Mbps.
  • TV show rentals -- I too would love to cut back on my satellite TV subscription, but my wife's addiction to any American show set in a hospital (House, Grey's Anatomy, etc.) or the police (CSI everything, Life, etc.) means I have to keep paying Sky. On a side note: why do the people on these shows never smile or banter? Everyone takes their jobs so seriously...! To be fair, my addiction to sport means I'll keep paying somepremium to Sky!
  • Apps -- The App Store is such a success with the iPhone/Touch that it makes sense to offer it for the ATV. I think this will happen with the tablet. Obviously the ATV has no touchscreen or acceleromter, but the ATV can be tied to an iPhone/Touch. This happens already with the Remote app, so I don't see why this can't be extended (e.g. as a controller for ATV games).
  • Extended storage -- I'm not too bothered about plugging USB HDs in the back, but it can't be too difficult for Apple to allow the ATV to pull media of a NAS. If not a generic NAS, then at least Airport attached disks/TM. I have an MBP, and it's not realistic to turn this on every time I want to watch something from the 2TB disc attached to my AEBS that isn't synched to the 160GB ATV!
  • Better content outside the US -- I have a US and UK iTMS account (my US ZIP is the ZIP for the Manhatten Apple Store!), but it's a hassle buying US iTunes vouchers on eBay (especially as the exchange rate sucks now). I know this is the fault of the media companies rather than Apple, but please please can the non-US iTunes stores have better content?
  • Catch-up TV -- I use the BBC iPlayer functionality of Boxee quite a lot. I don't want to catch up with TV shows on my laptop. I don't think it would damage Apple's iTMS revenue too much if they allowed services like iPlayer and Hulu -- in fact, it might even stimulate purchases (I might go back and rent previous series/seasons of a programme I've recently discovered, for example).
I don't think a web browser will be that useful -- I use my iPod Touch for ad hoc browsing anyway. I don't see Apple ever adding DVD, BD, Netflix, or a DVR. It doesn't fit with their on-demand iTunes model.

I had thought that going to a 3.0 release would have meant significant 'under the bonnet/hood' changes (moving the OS to SL, for example). However, the fact that the patchstick still works suggests that the OS is still Tiger based. Ho hum. Having said that, maybe Apple have just dropped the new UI (and a few other tweaks) on top of the existing OS as a pre-Christmas stop-gap until new ATV hardware (with an SL/iPhone OS X based OS) comes along in the NY. Just enough to keep the ATV fresh for Christmas. After all, if the new UI is ready, and is sufficiently abstracted from the OS (and other 'plug in' features), then why not release it?

In summary, I like the look of the new 3.0 software; but I'll hold off updating until Boxee works. And I look forward to whatever (I hope) Apple is bringing us in the new year.
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