iTunes 9.0.2 connects with Apple TV 3.0, kills Palm Pre sync - Page 2

Are you new here? In fact, are you new to common sense?

Palm has no license whatsoever to use iTunes. What does anything have to do with Windows on Macs??

The USB forum has already asked Palm to cut the BS, but they keep sinking to new lows. I hope the Pre fails and Palm gets absolutely buried, not because the Pre is bad (although it's the biggest anticlimax since Y2K), but because Palm is resorting to these disgusting tactics and passing on the frustration to their users. They're hoping to draw a legal battle from this, but the reality is that old Ruby is a new kind of crazy if he thinks anyone will take Palm seriously. The USB forum already rendered a clear decision on the matter, and anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together can easily tell that Palm is celarly in te wrong.

I can't say for certain but I would bet that Logitech used the API for third party products to work with iTunes that I referenced in my other post. Palm has the option to do the same thing but prefers to play this odd game with their customers. I guess they hope enough people don't really know what is going on and that Apple would face some sort of backlash. The whole thing smacks of pointy hair boss thinking. Dilbert would not approve.

The difference is that with "Boot Camp", a retail version of Windows has to be purchased thus putting $$ into MS pocket. ... Palm is trying to do it "on the cheap" and not even bothering to develop their own software. Other companies don't have a problem with Apple ... they can work with iTunes but Palm is trying to "sneak" in the back door ... no wonder they're in trouble. I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

It probably works with Apple's permission, (has gone through the proper channels) as do a lot of other devices, unless you hacked it.

ROFLMAO ..... spot on!

That would be rewarding laziness and dishonesty...... not the smartest thing to do ....... I feel quite sure about that.

If that's true, report him and they'll check the IPs. Then it becomes more than a 3 day ban.

Hopefully anyway.

Preventing Palm for this long and then giving in means that anyone else can do this to Apple, provided they are enough of a nuisance.

Apple needs to keep up their end of the game and send a clear message to would-be thieves and spoofers.

I did. They may have sent him a private message to stop posting, but the new name hasnt been banned.

i am so stupid

just like palm pre company for making world wide fools of them selves over and over and over

and the beat goes on my friend

iTunes syncs more than merely music. Doesn't writing an application that reads the iTunes DB only allow them to sync audio and video? If so, they would also have to write apps that read the bookmark folder, email folder, calendar folder, address book folder and iphoto folder. So far as I know, hacking into itunes lets you get all those goodies doesn't it? Does the BB software or the Nokia software sync everything, from itunes, or do you need to run multiple syncing apps like isync along with their extra software? Palm seems to have it right if it gets everything synced over in one swoop.

The two issues aren't even similar. Apple will allow Palm to develop Mac compatible software that allows the Pre to Sync to a Mac. In fact, like all Mac users, it gives Palm the development tools for free with the purchase of the OS to do so. Palm, however, wants a free ride on Apple's work.

Further, Apple doesn't necessarily have a strong desire for Mac hardware to run Windows. Apple's customers, however, want it. Accordingly, it supports it. Further, Microsoft has no real issue with Windows running on a Mac because it isn't a PC hardware maker and Apple's customers are buying Windows at full retail price to run on the Mac. In other words, Apple by supporting Windows isn't stealing any Windows sales from Microsoft. It is giving Microsoft sales. In addition, Windows is an open development platform. Anybody can develop for it. Microsoft encourages that. So, Apple like any other Windows software developer can freely develop for Windows. Microsoft isn't complaining.

More to the point. Apple is a hardware manufacturer who adds value to the hardware it sells by creating appealing software that only runs on it's hardware. The Mac OS and free programs like iLife are designed to sell Macs. Apple gives you the free software to make money on the hardware.

iTunes not only is used by Apple to sell Macs, but it has made a Windows version to sell iPods and iPhones. That is the whole reason Apple spends the millions of dollars to develop the software. Before there was iPods, iTunes didn't run on Windows.

Palm essentially wants to use Apple's software for free to steal hardware sales from Apple. Why would any company voluntarily agree to that? Further, why doesn't Palm just do the work and create proper software like other vendors do [e.g. Research in Motion]?

An idea from the Leftfield:

maybe this iTunes harassment by Palm is a ruse to irritate Apple (i.e. Steve Jobs) so much that it's (he's) provoked into buying Palm! Crazy but Apple does have the money!

I see Apple as turning into the big company that once again wants to control everything. I don't like it. I don't like how they lock in iPhone consumers to ATT which has terrible service. I don't like how they lock out the ability of other handsets to sync with iTunes. Apple has a great product and could make a ton more money letting other handsets sync.

It's a gut feeling right now, but I think Apple is getting too powerful and taking advantage of consumers and flexing its muscle with other companies unreasonably.

JMHO

Apple's desire to be in charge of all the details has always been a characteristic, nothing new or recent about that. More specifically that is probably more accurately ascribed to Steve Jobs. However, the nature of the cellphone market in the US is not due to Steve Jobs. Exclusive deals with carriers is how things are done to disguise the cost of the handset and leave the poor sucker paying the premium long after the cost of the handset has been covered. Again, that is the market, not specifically Apple. Finally why is Apple the servant of other cellphone manufacturing company? Apple devotes resources to write software for their devices to work on Mac and Windows. Other companies done the same thing. As far as I know only Pre tries to impersonate another device to avoid doing the work like every other company.

I think you just dont get it. Simple as that.

Apple will not benefit from allowing other products to sync to itunes. How is allowing a Pre or any other phone going to make Apple money?

Are Palm or Nokia or Samsung or one of the other large phone companies going to pay Apple a royalty? NO

Are these companies going to increase their HARDWARE sales by syncing to iTunes? YES

Are Apple going to be able to claim exclusivity as a reason to buy an iPhone or iPod by saying these other companies can now sync to iTunes? NO

You guys bitch about ATT and their service but fail to take into consideration that no matter what company had "exclusivity" of the iphone it was going to struggle under load.

In Australia the 2 companies that won out in the end were Vodafone and Optus. Later adding Telstra and 3 to the mix. But they had more than your fair share of issues with the connections and calls dropping out etc.

The difference being that they were forced by our government and ACCC to upgrade their service.
In the US this doesnt seem to be the case.

If you want to worry about someone being a HUGE company that has not regard for its users and is just churning out more and more crap every day take a look at Google.

They have a monopoly over search (im sorry but bing is a joke - and yahoo is basically now bing so that really helps) and there is really no one to challenge them.

They are slowly but surely integrating everything into the one simple google microcosm and eventually will have your search results come up in a chrome browser etc etc.

Hell they have what 60 trillion employees around the globe?
If each one of them is bought an Android phone by the company then suddenly market share figures get thrown right out of whack and the trend followers go chasing the next big thing in droves.

THAT is someone to be afraid of.

/Rant Mode OFF

yeah calll me strange but I am not into drug fueled gay adult entertainers, especially when they also post whinny Microsoft adoring rants in forums. I am deeply honoured that I will be in your ignore list. Go over macrumors too, your humorless approach will be much appreciated there among the 11 year olds and the dimwits who post there.

So Apple gets back some former engineers, a disgruntled ex-VP, and will be able to add that WebOS card thingy to the iPhone OS . . .

Not sure how good of a deal it would be. Might as well just use the funds to continue iPhone development.

Apple should just allow the Pre to sync with iTunes. This is just snotty of them. It is something I would expect of Microsoft, but not Apple.

Jon Rubinstein needs to grow up.

Palm should write their own sync software using the published interface. Heck, if RIM can do it then anyone ought to be able to.

Tell you what.

Why dont you start up a company invest billions creating a fan base and R&D.

Then once its up and running me and a few of the other guys from this forum that dont like you very much will make a less efficient copy of your designated hardware from inside information and then bitch when you inevitably tell us to stop copying you..

but we wont

It may sound like im oversimplifying it but it seems that sometimes simple people need simple explanations.

Forever shall the Pre be known as "Rubinstein's folly".

Two things:

1) I know you are joking, but I am still amazed at how many gullible people are actually willing to take advice from a convicted felon (Stewart, Vick, etc., etc.). Sad.

2) Hasn't Dennis Miller been paid rather handsomely over the years for his rants and "prophecies"? Just curious.

Does your Logitech Squeezebox appear as an iPod in iTunes? That is how they are cheating. They are stealing the ID to make the Pre sync with iTunes because the idiots at Palm are so fucking stupid, they can't write their own software.

"Meet him twice and survive and you will call him 'Mr. Nathanial (techspud) Victor'. "

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like...." friggin' burning flesh and diesel fuel!

"justbobf" ?

Dude, that's pretty weak.

Seriously, you can't come up with something a little more original?

Amazing how stupid you are. Lock in iPhone customers? None of the other carriers were willing to bet on Apple making a popular phone. AT&T agreed without even seeing the first design. If you were the only one to step up to the plate and take a risk, wouldn't you want that exclusive right? The other carriers are kicking themselves for missing out on that deal. (In case you are a Verizon lover, those assholes lock out half the features on a phone and make you pay for them, so they are no better than AT&T).

The other handset makers should write their own software for their product. However, Palm can't write software for shit, and that goes back to their lousy Palm Desktop software.

Apple is already making a ton of money, even in a recession. They don't need anyone's help.

How do you feel about Microsoft and the Zune? The Zune is locked in with Microsoft products only. Apple is the only computer and electronics company making money, so their model obviously works, even if you don't like it.

Not stupid, just it takes time and money, both Palm doesn't have, so they leach instead.


Jon R. might appear as a savior to Palm and Sprint, but he really didn't invent the iPod, a engineer who failed at forming his own company using the "iPod" came to Apple with the device, (first taking a two week side trip at Real Networks).

I forget the engineers name, because we keep hearing the "Jon Rubenstein created the iPod" misinformation all the time.

Not a classy move but it's generated a lot of free press for the Pre. On top of that, I bet the people buying the Pre are likely have the same general feeling that some posters here have: that Apple is in the wrong. Sounds like a smart marketing move to me. If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em.

You just don't get it.... Apple has provided a method for third party devices to connect to iTunes. Palm says "No!" we want to break the rules and connect exactly like the Apple device. If Apple allows this then they must provide support to Palm Pre customers on their own dime. Palm knows this.... The just don't care what anybody thinks even the USB-IF. They are desperate and soon they will be gone.

Granted if they allowed it officially then they would have to provide support. But they can also ignore what Palm is doing and refuse to offer support since they never officially allowed it. I think what the people representing Palm think is, why does Apple care in the first place? If they allow people to sync through their APIs in the first place, why should it bother them if someone happens to sync like an ipod. The functionality works both ways right? They can deny support to anyone who doesn't have an actual ipod right? So seriously what difference does it make how Palm syncs?

I'd like to hear a proper argument as to why Apple even bothers to waste time and money blocking the Palm all the time. It seems to be what they want to deny is the extra convenience that comes with the built-in itunes syncing as opposed to the external way that they allow through the APIs. They want real ipod owners to have a syncing advantage over non-ipod owners. Palm says letting them sync like ipods doesn't harm ipod owners so since no one is harmed, and since at the end of the day everyone can achieve the full benefits of syncing through APIs anyway, why not go ahead and give their customers the ipod convenience, recognizing that that support falls upon them and not Apple. They probably think, hey look the ipods and iphones are already so much better anyway, what harm would it be to let us at least have the ipod syncing convenience. There is no need to stop that here other than flat out selfishness.

yo john doe the above post explains it

Proper argument ??
apple updates it itunes alot

this update focused on apple TV 3
every-time apple updates palm pre will sink >>are you saying apple should call palm on the phone and say watch out ???
dude there is no direct device attack on palm pre >palm pre to stop its blockages needs to make a third party agreement with apple >> for yrs. palm does the opposite it goes out of its way to block
Anything apple .
This is the sixth palm pre dies on the vine article here.
and we are all tired of explaining the obvious

to end this boring tirade i will say i tunes is a multi billion dollar universe un concerned with tiny pre
the third party iphone suppliers themselves dwarfs baby pre
the iphone is so large that its bigger than many countries GNP'S
the iphone is so far advanced than anything else that palm pre does even blip on apple radar
the iphone will change everything
peace 9

It makes Palm look pretty bad trying to glom onto the iTunes gravy train for free. It's like people who steal cable TV services, run an extension cord to a city light pole or pirate music and software.

If Palm wants to include and advertise iTunes syncing, which DOES have considerable value, then they should negotiate a licensing fee with Apple and pay it. I believe BlackBerry made some kind of arrangement with Apple, why can't Palm?

Sprint Loses $478M, 135,000 Subscribers in Quarter

Guess the Pre isnt helping.

http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoen...oom&ID=1348150

I don't remember the saying going quite like that

[QUOTE=sdbryan;1511351]I can't say for certain but I would bet that Logitech used the API for third party products to work with iTunes that I referenced in my other post. Palm has the option to do the same thing but prefers to play this odd game with their customers./QUOTE]

We are on a Mac forum, and yes Apple does provide an extensive set of APIs to interface all sorts of things ... on the Mac platform but a significant portion lies on the Windows platform.

Microsoft is hostile to anything non-MS, so while building a sync app on a Mac is downright trivial, esp. for poached Apple developers, it's a different story on the Windows platform.

I still think Palm is so clearly in the wrong with regards to device spoofing.

I saw Gruber's link to that, too.

But if you wade through the press release, you'll see that the Pre is the only reason their results weren't much, much worse.

You should allow us all to live in your iTunes house. It's just snotty of you that only your family and friends are allowed in but everybody else is kept out by lock and key.

It's not fair that none of us can come and go as they please, eat your food and watch your TV even though you're generous enough to provide food and TV when we ask for it.

We've not paid the bills for keeping your place in order but if you keep changing the locks then we'll keep making new keys until you allow us to come and go as we please.