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Do we really need cornrows/braids in the army?
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Do we NEED them? I suppose not.

Is there any reason NOT to have them? None that I can see.

No offense, but it must be a slow news day.

Jeff

Edit: Well, since you posted this, you must have thoughts on it. (I've been pissy the last couple days-sorry) What's your opinion on the subject?

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This is dumb. The only reason I can see for this is for women. If you're a guy your hair should be short.
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If you're in the army defending our country and putting your life on the line to defend us, I don't have a problem with how you have your hair cut.

If you're not in the army, why do you even care how they have their hair cut?
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Well I don't expect you to understand.

There's a concept in the military that you are military property. That's why my father in law didn't like his guys getting tattoos. You don't tattoo army property without permission.

What would happen if everyone in the navy took up wearing large loop earrings, bandanas, an eye patch and carried knives in their teeth? It wouldn't look like the US Navy that's for sure!

What if the army grunts got skull and bones shaved into the back of their head? It wouldn't look like the professional well disciplined army we want the world to see now would it?

Nor do we want to sent a woman who looks like Lil' Kim out to coordinate aid shipments to a far off land.

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This seems to imply that the regulation change is for women only:

"As they've become a lot more acceptable in society, the Army has seen that they've presented a professional appearance that really allows women to groom their hair and maintain it," Flott said.

Also, the Navy changed their policy three or four years ago to allow cornrows for women only. I don't know about the other services.
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[quote]There's a concept in the military that you are military property. That's why my father in law didn't like his guys getting tattoos. You don't tattoo army property without permission.

What would happen if everyone in the navy took up wearing large loop earrings, bandanas, an eye patch and carried knives in their teeth? It wouldn't look like the US Navy that's for sure!<hr></blockquote>

We're talking about a hair style here. Who really cares what it looks like?
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Scott:



This is Frederik 9th. The higest ranking officer of the Danish Navy, Army and Marine from 1947 - 1972. And also King in the same periode. He had more tattoes made before he died.
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I admit I have no real military knowledge, but isn't there something better the people sitting around thinking about dress codes could be doing?

Jeff
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Short hair is considered easier to take care of in the field I think. It also might be for safety reasons. The only Army unit allowed to have longer hair is "Delta Force" and that's because they work undercover and have to pass for civilians.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>Scott:



This is Frederik 9th. The higest ranking officer of the Danish Navy, Army and Marine from 1947 - 1972. And also King in the same periode. He had more tattoes made before he died.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So?
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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I admit I have no real military knowledge, but isn't there something better the people sitting around thinking about dress codes could be doing?

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope. They have to have someone doing it or there would be no one doing it. Right?
post #13 of 25
Cornrows/braids are short. Have many have you seen that stand taller than an inch! They key is low maintenence. Either cut is off in a high and tight or find some other way to keep if under a standard issue hat. Simple as that.
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
<strong>Have many have you seen that stand taller than an inch! </strong><hr></blockquote>

I live in Chicago. I've seen everything when it comes to black hair.
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[quote]Nope. They have to have someone doing it or there would be no one doing it. Right?
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When our government's involved? Of course, every committee, briefing and memo is VITAL.

You were kidding, right?

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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
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When our government's involved? Of course, every committee, briefing and memo is VITAL.

You were kidding, right?

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

Each branch of the military has at least one person in charge of the uniform. Yes there is enough work to be done to keep a whole department of people busy on this issue. Yes, again, it's an important job.
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[quote]Originally posted by JRC:
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Do we really need cornrows/braids in the army?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Stuart Scott would say "Boo YAH!"

But luckily for you I'm not Stuart Scott, so I'll say "hell no." And the reason I say no is because the only reason the military would allow for something like this is that they are afraid if they don't, some group of idiots will get up-in-arms and start hollering "racism" , "cultural discrimination", "we're being victimized!", etc.

My guess is, it's nothing more than a PC move to appease the anti-military establishment, which is hell-bent on making them look bad at all costs.

When you're in the military, your hair, your clothes and most everything else about your outward appearance is *supposed* to be just like everyone else of your sex (and color if you want to look at that way). Individuality is not a priority, nor should it be. If you want to express yourself as an individual, get the hell out of the military (or better yet, don't join!).

This is a joke....

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[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
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Stuart Scott would say "Boo YAH!"

But luckily for you I'm not Stuart Scott, so I'll say "hell no." And the reason I say no is because the only reason the military would allow for something like this is that they are afraid if they don't some group of idiots will get up-in-arms and start hollering "racism" , "cultural discrimination", "we're being victimized!", etc.

Nothing more than a PC move to appease the anti-military establishment, which is hell-bent on making them look bad at all costs.

When you're in the military, your hair, your clothes and most everything else about your outward appearance is *supposed* to be just like everyone else of your sex (and color) if you want to look at that way. Individuality is not a priority, nor should it be. Things like this are about individuality, not about being part of a unit.

Corn rows my ass....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see you point but not your logic. No one has come up with a truly legitimate reason as to why braids are not an acceptable form for hair. I don't think it's about "individuality" rather than the fact that some people prefer longer hair. If we held tight to the standards then Women entering the Military should also get buzz cuts. Don't you think?
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[quote]If we held tight to the standards then Women entering the Military should also get buzz cuts. Don't you think? <hr></blockquote>

No, for the simple reason that one can make an argument that when in full dress uniform everyone should look presentable - especially in formal situations. Hence, the standard set forth for females should not be the same one set for the men. Men look more presentable with very short hair, women look ridiculous.

The problem here is that they are allowing the rules to be bent based on race, not on the need for one to look presentable in uniform. That's a bad precedent...especially since dark skinned fellows tend to look much better with shaved or near-bald heads than do light skinned fellows. They don't *need* corn rows to look good - it comes natural.

It's a PC move plain and simple.

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It may be a PC move, but when the Navy changed its regulations to allow cornrows, the fashion started to appear in hair of all (natural) hair colors.

Disclaimer: I'm not a female. I don't pretend to know all the requirements to make cornrows. I'm assuming that it just needs a certain length hair.
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[quote]Originally posted by AppleApologist:
<strong>It may be a PC move, but when the Navy changed its regulations to allow cornrows, the fashion started to appear in hair of all (natural) hair colors.

Disclaimer: I'm not a female. I don't pretend to know all the requirements to make cornrows. I'm assuming that it just needs a certain length hair.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I think you gotta start with corn as an ingredient. So, I guess carrot top (AT&T) uses something different.
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[quote]Originally posted by AppleApologist:
<strong>It may be a PC move, but when the Navy changed its regulations to allow cornrows, the fashion started to appear in hair of all (natural) hair colors.
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Sound like the Navy hasn't done a good enough job of deprogramming their young recruits. Any white guy that wears corn rows is bound to be a Snoop-Dog disciple or something similar. Can you say "identity crisis?"

Do these guys wear their pants backwards too? If not, maybe we should let them hang their trousers 6" off their ass so that everyone can see their standard issue skivies too! I also think beepers hanging off the front pocket should be mandatory.

Shaq-FU!



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[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
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Sound like the Navy hasn't done a good enough job of deprogramming their young recruits. Any white guy that wears corn rows is bound to be a Snoop-Dog disciple or something similar. Can you say "identity crisis?"

Do these guys wear their pants backwards too? If not, maybe we should let them hang their trousers 6" off their ass so that everyone can see their standard issue skivies too! I also think beepers hanging off the front pocket should be mandatory.

Shaq-FU!



[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Funny, because when I went out on a cruise on an aircraft carrier as a guest once, those navy-issued blue jeans have front pockets that are the same as Levi's rear pockets. In other words, they are squared and more in front instead of angle cut and to the side-ish.

I thought they looked like they were on BACKWARDS by design.
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post #24 of 25
Yes cornrows can be done in any hair. All they are is braids woven tightly to the skin. I've never had them but I believe that most people choose braids as an easy maintainence thing even if they look like they might be Hip Hop'ish. I remember Bo Derek creating a backlash of microbraids after her movie 10. My thoughts are no cornrows in Basic or Advanced training. After that I believe the Military should allow conrows within reason. I say within reason because some can be small and tastefully done.
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Even though cornrows/braids may be allowed, the regs usually say things about how long the hair can be worn as well as not interfering with the proper wearing of the head gear (hat, helmet, gas mask, etc.). So besides the trendy vs. conservative debate there are still functional concerns that are taken into account in the standards.
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