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That was actually funny. Good job.

PS:

I haven't had one issue with Snow Leopard.
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Yeah, that is very hard to grasp.

I was really hoping for a logical explanation for your persistent passive-aggressiveness, but as justflybob points out just above your post, there is none. You disappoint yet again....

I don't think there's anything passive-aggressive about his behavior at all; he's overtly aggressive. Basically, I believe he's here because he has, for some reason, a misdirected anger and hostility toward Apple and Mac users, rooted in his own sense of inferiority and powerlessness, and he uses AI as an outlet for expressing that anger and hostility. It's also possible that his hostility is more general and he does this on several forums on different topics, but, probably, in all cases, he directs it toward some specific entity that he feels receives undue recognition, recognition that he craves himself.
post #43 of 73
I feel like I've dropped into a Freudian dream
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Do any of you actually have issues with Snow Leopard? Because it seems like everyone is running 10.6.1 just great.

I don't. I have a clean install on both my Macbook Pro and iMac, and have lot's of annoying issues: very frequent beach balls, total freezes of a couple of seconds, the save dialogs in my apps take 10 seconds to appear, random crashes, etc. These last days it feels like working back on windows :-(

Not to mention the bugs!
- Adding contacts to the Address book from Mail simply does not work
- Syncing Address book and Google results in duplicate and messed up contacts
- Mail does not seem to be able to remember my SMTP password
- Finder, Mail, QuickTime and Safari crashes

Yeah... I've noticed Mail seems to be kind of hit and miss. I just assumed it was ATT, my DSL and e-mail provider. Hopefully the coming update will improve this situation for me. I have also noted more beach balls than I would like to see, and just the other day my wife called me and asked why the computer was hung. The mouse was responsive, but nothing else. I wasn't home and had her do a hard reboot.

All that said, I've been quite pleased with SL. I haven't as of yet upgraded to Fusion 3.0, and now I'm glad I have waited this long. I'm planning on upgrading to 3.0 soon and also blowing away my existing XP bootcamp partition and installing a new Win7 bootcamp/VM partition.
post #45 of 73
Hello, this is my first post here. I wish you all, girls and guys, a good day.

Now, to matters:

Since I upgraded to Snow Leopard, I could no longer log to my College eduroam network. This happened to 13 iMacs and Macbooks in my department alone. My Macbook is alive and well in my house, and connects with not a single hiccup in all the coffee shops I know.

As far as I can tell, this problem with eduroam networks is happening in other institutions, not only in Portugal, where I live, but throughout Europe. (See the Apple forum threads on this subject...)

So, will Apple fix this bug? Please? Please?
post #46 of 73
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Originally Posted by monobazus View Post

Hello, this is my first post here. I wish you all, girls and guys, a good day.

Now, to matters:

Since I upgraded to Snow Leopard, I could no longer log to my College eduroam network. This happened to 13 iMacs and Macbooks in my department alone. My Macbook is alive and well in my house, and connects with not a single hiccup in all the coffee shops I know.

As far as I can tell, this problem with eduroam networks is happening in other institutions, not only in Portugal, where I live, but throughout Europe. (See the Apple forum threads on this subject...)

So, will Apple fix this bug? Please? Please?

Monobazus, this is not an official support forum. Although you may hear about some sort of workaround 2nd hand via these forums, the proper place to submit issues is on the Apple site.
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post #47 of 73
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Monobazus, this is not an official support forum. Although you may hear about some sort of workaround 2nd hand via these forums, the proper place to submit issues is on the Apple site.

I know that. And I did complain in the proper place, i.e., to Apple phone support in Portugal. They said to me they were not aware of the problem. Not aware of the problem? Wtf?

Being a dedicated Apple user for more than 20 years, I think I'm entitled to a bit of sarcasm, on a matter that affects SO MANY Mac users.

I'm as much an Apple fanboy as anybody else here, but I am a bit tired of being left behind in my college, in matters of wifi networking. (And, no, it's not the fault of the Campus system admin).

So, what I'm saying here is that SL is a step backwards compared to Leopard, as far as I can tell from my experience with wifi networking. And in this case it's Apple's fault, no doubt about it.

Just my two cents.

Cheers.
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Well it says it fixes a performance issue with the new iMacs to do with wireless. If wireless was the problem all along, that would explain why the site that originally reported the bug couldn't reproduce it: most companies have wired networks.

It would be interesting for someone who is having this issue to temporarily try a wired network and see if it fixes it.

Interestingly, my network is both. I'm hardwired into a Time Capsule attached to the cable modem, but I'm wireless to an appleTV, and all the other Macs in the house are wireless too, as is the AirPort Express at the far end of the house as a repeat point for network and music. My daughter's Mac keeps dropping net connections, even though it's only 30 feet and one sheet rock wall away.
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by hagar View Post

Do any of you actually have issues with Snow Leopard? Because it seems like everyone is running 10.6.1 just great.

I've had no problems (but I don't use some of the slightly more offbeat (to me) Apple technologies like disk encryption or Time Machine.)
post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by monobazus View Post

I know that. And I did complain in the proper place, i.e., to Apple phone support in Portugal. They said to me they were not aware of the problem. Not aware of the problem? Wtf?

Being a dedicated Apple user for more than 20 years, I think I'm entitled to a bit of sarcasm, on a matter that affects SO MANY Mac users.

I'm as much an Apple fanboy as anybody else here, but I am a bit tired of being left behind in my college, in matters of wifi networking. (And, no, it's not the fault of the Campus system admin).

So, what I'm saying here is that SL is a step backwards compared to Leopard, as far as I can tell from my experience with wifi networking. And in this case it's Apple's fault, no doubt about it.

Just my two cents.

Cheers.

No worries. I was thinking you might be expecting this to be the proper place to get formal help

I think for most folks SL is fine, but for those hit by the bugs that do exist, it's irritating.

Any major upgrade should be approached with caution. I keep a 'previous version' partition around for just such an occasion and just dual-boot until they resolve the issue. It's a rather simple way to work around it. Just boot into the earlier version of OS X when I'm using a function that's affected by a bug.

From the sound of it, I'll be getting the fix for my issue in 10.6.2, so I'm happy about that.
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Do any of you actually have issues with Snow Leopard? Because it seems like everyone is running 10.6.1 just great.

My wife's iMac has had all kinds of issues since the upgrade to SL, sadly.

1. For some reason, the TiVO sync on her Roxio Toast died. very annoying to her, as she moves a lot of TiVOed shows to her iPhone to watch while she travels. (We even upgraded to the latest version of Toast (10 platinum) and there's an outstanding issue with SL and the TiVO connector. (Was no issue in Leopard, sadly)

2. Random incompatibilities with older software. (I know SL went to a more unified 64-bit architecture, but I would have thought their 32-bit emulation would have been more robust, or at least more "compatible".)


As a relatively new Mac adopter, it's annoyed her so much she asked if I could revert her back to Leopard, an OS which she loved and had no problems with. (I informed her that I'd rather NOT, just to make sure I didn't screw up any of her other working pieces of software.) But I guess I learned that the lesson I got from years of MS products is also true of Apple: "Don't adopt the new OS until at least 6 months have passed." (MS corollary: "Until SP1")

I still prefer (and recommend) Apple to folks, but I guess I just learned that there are some consistencies across all software manufacturers.

Cheers!
post #52 of 73
So are Front Row and iTunes FINALLY 64-bit?!
post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by GeekboyATL View Post

My wife's iMac has had all kinds of issues since the upgrade to SL, sadly.

1. For some reason, the TiVO sync on her Roxio Toast died. very annoying to her, as she moves a lot of TiVOed shows to her iPhone to watch while she travels. (We even upgraded to the latest version of Toast (10 platinum) and there's an outstanding issue with SL and the TiVO connector. (Was no issue in Leopard, sadly)

2. Random incompatibilities with older software. (I know SL went to a more unified 64-bit architecture, but I would have thought their 32-bit emulation would have been more robust, or at least more "compatible".)


As a relatively new Mac adopter, it's annoyed her so much she asked if I could revert her back to Leopard, an OS which she loved and had no problems with. (I informed her that I'd rather NOT, just to make sure I didn't screw up any of her other working pieces of software.) But I guess I learned that the lesson I got from years of MS products is also true of Apple: "Don't adopt the new OS until at least 6 months have passed." (MS corollary: "Until SP1")

I still prefer (and recommend) Apple to folks, but I guess I just learned that there are some consistencies across all software manufacturers.

Cheers!

There are definitely issues in SL that Apple needs to address, but all of your issues sound like third party issues that should be reported to the proper vendor so they can investigate and (hopefully) resolve in a timely manner.
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post #54 of 73
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Hello, this is my first post here. I wish you all, girls and guys, a good day.

Now, to matters:

Since I upgraded to Snow Leopard, I could no longer log to my College eduroam network. This happened to 13 iMacs and Macbooks in my department alone. My Macbook is alive and well in my house, and connects with not a single hiccup in all the coffee shops I know.

As far as I can tell, this problem with eduroam networks is happening in other institutions, not only in Portugal, where I live, but throughout Europe. (See the Apple forum threads on this subject...)

So, will Apple fix this bug? Please? Please?

why not call eduroam?
post #55 of 73
I wish there was word on fixes for whatever is causing sudden logout, or the entire user space crashing without warning, when using Rosetta-dependent OS X apps of a certain age. People who say get newer apps, I say easy for you to say. At minimum Apple should be expected to make it fail more gracefully.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....readID=2143178
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I wish there was word on fixes for whatever is causing sudden logout, or the entire user space crashing without warning, when using Rosetta-dependent OS X apps of a certain age. People who say get newer apps, I say easy for you to say. At minimum Apple should be expected to make it fail more gracefully.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....readID=2143178

Apple doesn't write those Apps. The vendor does.

Why is everyone suddenly blaming Apple for 3rd party app support? SL has been in the works for a VERY long time. If these vendors haven't taken the time to properly test or even attempt to update their software, then that is a vendor issue.

Would you really prefer OS X to turn into another legacy nightmare that is Windows?
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The best OS at least in my opinion was Tiger 10.4.11.

Totally agree. In fact, I decided to stay on 10.4.11 and ignore Leopard altogether. When Leopard was announced, I was underwhelmed by the feature set, then when it came out, I was appalled by how buggy it was. I decided to skip it, and I did so. Now I want to go SL, but am disappointed by how buggy it is, and how it's actually slower than Leopard. Just appalling. Meanwhile, Tiger does everything I need, and it is ROCK SOLID. Super stable. Sadly, more and more apps are coming out, that are SL only. But yeah, 10.4.11 is the bomb. I'll always keep it on my mini G4, that works as my music and media server. Best OS Apple ever put out.
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Totally agree. In fact, I decided to stay on 10.4.11 and ignore Leopard altogether. When Leopard was announced, I was underwhelmed by the feature set, then when it came out, I was appalled by how buggy it was. I decided to skip it, and I did so. Now I want to go SL, but am disappointed by how buggy it is, and how it's actually slower than Leopard. Just appalling. Meanwhile, Tiger does everything I need, and it is ROCK SOLID. Super stable. Sadly, more and more apps are coming out, that are SL only. But yeah, 10.4.11 is the bomb. I'll always keep it on my mini G4, that works as my music and media server. Best OS Apple ever put out.

Hehe . . . I suppose Tiger is Apple's XP.
post #59 of 73
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Look like they're leaving no stone uncovered here. Taking their time and getting it all right.

If you can't do it right the first time, get it right the second time, eh?

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Yeah, I too loved a pair of pants I had in the eighth grade, they were great.

Kind of a stupid comment for an OS that was released less than 2 years ago.

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Apple doesn't write those Apps. The vendor does.

Why is everyone suddenly blaming Apple for 3rd party app support? SL has been in the works for a VERY long time. If these vendors haven't taken the time to properly test or even attempt to update their software, then that is a vendor issue.

Crashing the WindowServer is Apple's problem. Nobody elses.
post #60 of 73
I haven't got 10.6 yet, but was thinking I would get it in the next month or so. By then there will be a gig or more of updates to apply. So my question is, when you by SL, do you get the original 10.6 - and then you manually download and apply the updates - or when you buy SL, will you get 10.6.2 on the disc itself?
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Hopefully the 'vmware fix' mentioned is related to the VMWare Fusion 3.0 mds/mdworker issue that renders the system almost unresponsive. Now we know who the murderer is.

It was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the pipe!
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I think in alot of ways that is a accurate statement. When Vista and Leopard first came out it was hard to decide which sucked worse. Vista was pretty poor until SP1 and Leopard was always a disappointment compared to Tiger which was rock solid.

In my experience, Leopard was far better than 10.4.x.
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In my experience, Leopard was far better than 10.4.x.

Everybody has their experiences. However, look into user reports - Leopard .8 was far less stable than Tiger .11. As to features, to each his own. Leopard features never jazzed me too much - Time Machine sounds like a great concept, but in practice seems deeply flawed with a lot of bugs - most serious people reverted back to things like SuperDuper! Spaces - who uses those? And spaces is still buggy. Quick Look - that one is legit, perhaps the only real improvement over Tiger. But that's it for features... a real snooze (QL excepted). And way less stable than Tiger. This is why I boycotted Leopard. My friends got on to it, and I used it reasonably extensively when we worked together, but for my own machines, I stayed with 10.4.11, which saved our bacon on more than one occasion, when Leopard took a dump on one of their computers. So, I was looking forward to Snow. I guess I'll get it anyway since I'm buying a quad iMac come January, but I'm no longer enthusiastic, since I read about how SL is actually even slower than Leopard, despite no longer being a bloated pig, like Leopard was... but what good is that, when it's slow as molasses going uphill in the dead of winter. Oh well, maybe 10.7 will hit the spot, like apparently Win 7 finally did for MSFT.
post #64 of 73
To say that Tiger was more stable at the end of it's life cycle compared to SL at the beginning of it's own is kind of silly. The same will be true of Leopard and 10.5.8.

There has never been a bug free release of any software I would imagine. They mature over time, bugs are fixed, and they become the products that people stick with.

It's kind of silly to compare the two.
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Far better in terms for stability or features? I like Leopard and SL features but I find them far less stable then Tiger.

Hmmm, I've never had a problem with stability using Leopard and Tiger (well, I had about two or three kernel panics with 10.4 but that was when I was adding and swapping memory with another computer. I don't attribute those crashes to the OS).
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Everybody has their experiences. However, look into user reports - Leopard .8 was far less stable than Tiger .11. As to features, to each his own. Leopard features never jazzed me too much - Time Machine sounds like a great concept, but in practice seems deeply flawed with a lot of bugs - most serious people reverted back to things like SuperDuper! Spaces - who uses those? And spaces is still buggy. Quick Look - that one is legit, perhaps the only real improvement over Tiger. But that's it for features... a real snooze (QL excepted). And way less stable than Tiger. This is why I boycotted Leopard. My friends got on to it, and I used it reasonably extensively when we worked together, but for my own machines, I stayed with 10.4.11, which saved our bacon on more than one occasion, when Leopard took a dump on one of their computers. So, I was looking forward to Snow. I guess I'll get it anyway since I'm buying a quad iMac come January, but I'm no longer enthusiastic, since I read about how SL is actually even slower than Leopard, despite no longer being a bloated pig, like Leopard was... but what good is that, when it's slow as molasses going uphill in the dead of winter. Oh well, maybe 10.7 will hit the spot, like apparently Win 7 finally did for MSFT.

I understand the differences in experiences from different people, no argument from me.

I agree with you on spaces, I never use it. When I first heard of it, I thought it was going to be like Sun's implementation of different work spaces where for example, when you switched to another work space, you got a different background, different colors, etc. It made you feel like you were really switching to another computer.

I have no idea where this "slow as molasses" is coming from. I can tell that my machine is faster with SL and I didn't do a clean 'erase and install,' I installed it over 10.5. But to be fair, I've only been using it for a few days, it's possible I might be back here in a week or two feeling like this ( ) about SL.
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I understand the differences in experiences from different people, no argument from me.

I agree with you on spaces, I never use it. When I first heard of it, I thought it was going to be like Sun's implementation of different work spaces where for example, when you switched to another work space, you got a different background, different colors, etc. It made you feel like you were really switching to another computer.

I have no idea where this "slow as molasses" is coming from. I can tell that my machine is faster with SL and I didn't do a clean 'erase and install,' I installed it over 10.5. But to be fair, I've only been using it for a few days, it's possible I might be back here in a week or two feeling like this ( ) about SL.

SL has been faster in all aspects of use for me. I don't know where this has come from either. I do get an occasional beachball, but they are few and far between. I suspect another update or two will resolve the common glitches.

Benchmarks are all over the web and they all show SL being faster then Leopard. This 'slow as molasses' is repeated for every major OS update that comes out. There will always be someone who claims it's just terrible. To each his own I suppose.
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There is no such thing as a bug free OS release. It is possible for a bug to exist for years hidden in an OS until some user (you're not supposed to do that!) inadvertently brings it to the surface. This point release is actually the first to deal with user uncovered bugs in SL. All to the better.

But wouldn't it have been better if they released 10.6.0 as an open beta first so that a larger user base could file bug reports first and once they had fixes in place, release it on their shipping units? I will be buying a new laptop today and it will come reinstalled with 10.6 without a solution the Airport Express printing issue, a problem that our machines with 10.5.8 don't have.
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But wouldn't it have been better if they released 10.6.0 as an open beta first so that a larger user base could file bug reports first and once they had fixes in place, release it on their shipping units? I will be buying a new laptop today and it will come reinstalled with 10.6 without a solution the Airport Express printing issue, a problem that our machines with 10.5.8 don't have.

Use your own good judgement; if the Airport Express printing defect is critical without any work-around, don't knowingly walk into that situation. Apple chooses to not use public betas, and you've got to deal with that. IMO, Apple does quite well with their tightly integrated ecosystem. The tight integration reduces the complexity of putting out good products but bug free? No.

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Too many trolls in AI these days. I am patiently (trying hard) waiting for 10.6.2 to make the jump from 10.5. At this rate, 10.6.2 looks to be a month away.
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Use your own good judgement; if the Airport Express printing defect is critical without any work-around, don't knowingly walk into that situation. Apple chooses to not use public betas, and you've got to deal with that. IMO, Apple does quite well with their tightly integrated ecosystem. The tight integration reduces the complexity of putting out good products but bug free? No.

How can I use my own good judgment if it come PREINSTALLED on the machine? Not like I have much of a choice is? If they could get it right by x.6.2 then they should release it as a public beta or hold off on rushing the release out (SL seemed to catch a number of vendors by surprise with an earlier than expected release.) And yes, not having 20+ macs being able to print to our printer is pretty mission critical.
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How can I use my own good judgment if it come PREINSTALLED on the machine? Not like I have much of a choice is? If they could get it right by x.6.2 then they should release it as a public beta or hold off on rushing the release out (SL seemed to catch a number of vendors by surprise with an earlier than expected release.) And yes, not having 20+ macs being able to print to our printer is pretty mission critical.

You can always put 10.5.8 on your new laptop until they fix it. Your 20+ macs are still on 10.5 no? I would think you'd want to test a release before rolling it out to production. Any of your other system disks should work fine installing on your laptop. I've mixed and matched them all over the place from mini, to Macbook, to iMac. They all work fine with each other.
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Too many trolls in AI these days. I am patiently (trying hard) waiting for 10.6.2 to make the jump from 10.5. At this rate, 10.6.2 looks to be a month away.

Looks like you're off by about 30 days. I hope if fixed whatever issue you were waiting on.
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