Originally Posted by AsianBob
Ok, so in that case all iPods (essentially iPhones minus the phone app) running the same OS don't count either, even though they're part of the whole ecosystem. Nor the rumored "Tablet" device.
It may be a steep road to climb, but I believe that with Android having a starting base around the world (instead of in the US and then outwards months or even years later). Seeing as the non-US manufacturers release 3 or 4 models apiece yearly, it isn't an impossible road to climb. Of course, this assumes that Android catches on very well, which it seems to be doing.
The only iPod to run the same OS is the Touch. The touch doesn't count as an embedded device any more than does the iPhone itself. Neither would the tablet.
An embedded device is like my microwave, or my Tv. Both use microprocessors with embedded OS's. The one in the microwave is very simple, while the one in my Tv is a Linux distro.
Neither allows me to add programs, or to accomplish any function that isn't already programmed in the hardware. I had film and paper processors in my company that also used embedded OS's. They wouldn't count either.
But, neither the Touch, nor the tablet, from what we know of it, would be classified as phones, unless the use of Skype or Vonage, which works on the Touch through WiFi, would qualify them. The same thing would be true for any devices based on Android (or the upcoming Chrome).
I don't doubt that Android devices will prove popular, but their initial momentum will be to limit Win Mobile. RIM will also be heavily affected. Also from Symbian. It will take from the iPhone as well. But the question is which of those will be most heavily affected.
The iPhone has a pretty big lead, and it's not as though Apple won't be coming up with an improved OS and hardware the middle of next year. At some point, it's likely they will offer effective third party multitasking. The didn't rule it out. Actually, they pretty much said it would happen when they thought they had it ready. For those who are making the biggest deal about not wanting the iPhone because of that, once it comes, they will succumb. This is essentially what happened with C/paste and MMS.
Right now the major disadvantages to both the Pre and Android is the lack of local, computer based, backup, storage, OS updating, and purchasing of all kinds, apps, music, etc. I know that both Palm and Google are trying to make people conform to their own way of doing things, but it's too early for that. I prefer Apple's open way of using a Mac or PC for that. Ever try to buy a big program from your phone? Or search the store on an Android or Pre device? Forget it. Even on the iPhone or touch, which is much better at searching the store, as well as actually buying something, it's a poor reflection of the way it's done from a computer.