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I wonder what's on tap for iPhone v2010. Any predictions on whether/how Apple will advance the ball?

Because Apple will be using a PA-Semi design for the CPU, I think it'll be faster (duh!) but more importantly, move way ahead of all competitors in battery life.

At this point, I don't think LTE 4G will be included yet in 2010, especially since the design for the 2010 iPhone will be done before the end of this year.
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The reviews Ive read have stated the predictive text and overall use of the virtual keyboard are still not as good as the iPhones.


Ive also read reviews of the physical keyboard not being as fast as typing with the virtual keyboard because the keys are too flush and dont give enough tactile feedback when pressed, making it less natural to use than other physical keyboards.

Still not as good, maybe. But it's not complete trash, as myapplelove implies. This is a software thing that can be solved with an update (2.1 is already being worked on).

As for the physical keyboard, I'm taking those reviews with a grain of salt until I can get my hands on a Droid for myself and do a bit of typing. There is a bit of subjectivity here. Their thumbs aren't my thumbs, so who knows...

The one thing I have going for me is that I currently have a BB Storm. And you know that typing is on a completely flat screen with feedback. I can type pretty fast in QWERTY mode with it. By the sounds of things, it's roughly the same as the Droid's keyboard, so I guess I'll already be used to the feeling.
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HA! Perfect

Nah, actually it would have been perfect if he hadn't misspelled "you're", the contraction of you are by using the word "your", the possessive in its place. Not that I normally point out spelling and grammar errors, because I am sure there are plenty in my own posts, including this one.
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The Blackberry is still the #1 smartphone and Apple hasn't been able to change that in two years. So I'm not sure where you get no one has been abot to release anything remotely successful, its more successful.

Apple owns ~ 80% of the profits in the Smart Phone market. Blackberry is losing in that area.
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Apple owns ~ 80% of the profits in the Smart Phone market. Blackberry is losing in that area.

Whoa there! Most places I've read have the iPhone at 32% of the smartphone profits.
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Whoa there! Most places I've read have the iPhone at 32% of the smartphone profits.

Peolple make up stuff on here all the time especially the one (who's name shall not be invoked in vain) who keeps stating that the iPhone will never, ever get a physical camera flash.


Unless they provide a link to ridiculous claims - ignore it.
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I just wish somebody would put some real pressure on Apple. It would be interesting to see how the iPhone evolves in response to competion. It's been over 2 years and nobody has come close to dethroning Apple IMO.

Why do you (and many others) say and think this all the time? as if Apple didn't push itself forward without any pressure of competitors... none of them got close to apple, yet it comes out with new developments all the time.
Why are you thinking that any pressure could accelerate it more? I don't think this kind of threat can do good for the company's dev plan.
And none of the competitors tried to compete about the quality, about originality, all of them tries to enter in the battle with low-price issue or copying the features and increasing those with some useless ones
Yeah, this year iPod nano finally got FM radio (that had been whined for a long), wow, so what? I got this feature in my Nokia phone but could hardly ever use it because of the poor quality of reachable channels.
or you want cheap notebooks inclueded blueray with one working hour of battery?
you want a phone that's as slim as iphone but has a real keyboard?
you want firewire in any low-price model of macbook?
you want cardreader that fits in a 4th dimension of the notebook case because by now in 3D it's impossible, if you don't want to reduce the battery or other features.

Do you guys really think that apple does what Intel (and many other tech companies) had been doing for many years when they held new technology back, just to get enough profit after the cost of the developments of the previous ones, with the lack of competitors?
I don't think so.
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NO! Really?

2010 begins a new decade on the planet I live on.

Where is the planet Gregor?
Do you chant in Gregorian?
So it's you in that picture that runs around in that brown clothed frock with hood!

do you have constantly make an asinine comment when someone tries to correct your misinformed obloquies
post #89 of 159
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Whoa there! Most places I've read have the iPhone at 32% of the smartphone profits.

The article below reads that it’s 32% for all handset vendors worldwide, not just the US nor just for smartphones. However, other sites reissuing the news are specifically stating smartphone market share.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...ating-profits/
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Whoa there! Most places I've read have the iPhone at 32% of the smartphone profits.

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Peolple make up stuff on here all the time especially the one (who's name shall not be invoked in vain) who keeps stating that the iPhone will never, ever get a physical camera flash.


Unless they provide a link to ridiculous claims - ignore it.

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Apple owns ~ 80% of the profits in the Smart Phone market. Blackberry is losing in that area.

32% of the entire industry. All phones.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/05/...-half-of-2009/
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32% of the entire industry. All phones.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/05/...-half-of-2009/

Doubly impressive when you consider the sales slum that has been occuring before the summer iPhone release.
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do you have constantly make an asinine comment when someone tries to correct your misinformed obloquies

No- only when someone asinine constantly makes misinformed corrections to my factual comments.
post #93 of 159
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I wonder what's on tap for iPhone v2010. Any predictions on whether/how Apple will advance the ball?

Here is one rumor that looks to feasible
http://www.nearfieldcommunicationswo...nabled-iphone/
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Doubly impressive when you consider the sales slum that has been occuring before the summer iPhone release.

No- it's totally reasonable when you consider the new iPhone got a better camera with video, and a compass, and speed - all 3 of which were lacking in the prior 2 versions and new buyers were clamoring for.
Not to mention cut and paste & MMS.
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Because Apple will be using a PA-Semi design for the CPU, I think it'll be faster (duh!) but more importantly, move way ahead of all competitors in battery life.

At this point, I don't think LTE 4G will be included yet in 2010, especially since the design for the 2010 iPhone will be done before the end of this year.

Forgot to add, once that happens, limited multi-tasking will be enabled for third party apps.
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32% of the entire industry. All phones.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/05/...-half-of-2009/

And that was just the first half of 2009. Wait til they run the same analysis for 3rd qtr.
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Forgot to add, once that happens, limited multi-tasking will be enabled for third party apps.

Yes, limited multitasking. While it's impressive that my Storm can have 20+ apps open at the same time, it eats up memory really quickly. From what I've seen, Android lets you have 6 apps open at the same time. I'm not sure if it automatically does a rolling closing (rhymes!) of apps higher than 6.

Most people probably won't have 6 apps open at the same time. 10 is pushing it. Limited multitasking is a good balance between multitasking and making sure there's plenty of memory for those apps.
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Forgot to add, once that happens, limited multi-tasking will be enabled for third party apps.

I think that will happen with iPhone OS v4.0 next summer, and will included with iPhones starting with the 3GS. My reasoning is, the 3GS has a fast enough CPU and enough RAM (256MB) to run many 3rd-app(s) in the background without adversely affecting performance. I think it will need to be setup like the Push Notifications settings, where you select from your list of viable 3rd-party apps to see which one(s) you want to keep running in the background when you press the Home Button. Apple may do this via an API so that no app can be allowed to run in the background unless the developer specifically adds support for it. Once support is added the app will show up in the Backgrounder setting with an on/off toggle switch.
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Originally Posted by Roos24 View Post

I am happy for Motorola that they at least appear to have something good in their hands, and I commend them for not giving up.

Here we see another American company that offers at least some competition to Apple (as did Palm sort of), instead of an overseas company from the Far East or Finland (or Canada for that matter).

In the past we gave up the development and (mass) production of cameras, audio and video equipment, more recently home and kitchen appliances and even automobiles are threatened, but it makes me proud to see the US continue to take the lead in the world of smart phones.

I will not buy a Droid (I am all Apple) but I do hope that the phone will be successful, eventually resulting in more US jobs. Next step: producing them here as well, something I always hoped and still hope Apple would consider.

RIM is doing good, so they don't really need to change their approach to smart phones dramatically. Like Apple do, you don't change wining formula.

Nokia, well. I believe their new (Linux based?) platform has potential. They are a bit slow to respond but considering their size, I'd say they have enough reserve to recover and bounce back before things go desperate.

And Nokia does have advantage over Apple, even at present. Even if "smart" part of Nokias leave much to be desired, "phone" part works much better than iPhone, I'm afraid.

Carrying company Nokia E63 and my iPhone 3Gs together across wide Auckland area - both on Vodafone 3G network, I did notice that Nokia is very happy with signal most of the time - actually haven't noticed it switching from 3G to 2G or even loosing more than 2 (out of 7) tabs of signal strength... while my beloved iPhone goes to 2G often and also sits on sad 1 tab of 3G signal a lot of time. I also caught 2 brief "no service" messages where Nokia was absolutely happy to oblige.

This is not a small difference, I'm afraid. Going rural (bushwalks, camping) would likely make 3Gs very useless phone around here.

As I have mentioned in different tread, I've compared my findings with 2 more 3Gs units, and all of them were equally touchy signal wise.

Great device, bellow average phone \
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The Blackberry is still the #1 smartphone and Apple hasn't been able to change that in two years. So I'm not sure where you get no one has been abot to release anything remotely successful, its more successful.

Unlike pre-iPhone, is there any US carrier still promoting a Blackberry as its best smartphone?
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I think that will happen with iPhone OS v4.0 next summer, and will included with iPhones starting with the 3GS. My reasoning is, the 3GS has a fast enough CPU and enough RAM (256MB) to run many 3rd-app(s) in the background without adversely affecting performance. I think it will need to be setup like the Push Notifications settings, where you select from your list of viable 3rd-party apps to see which one(s) you want to keep running in the background when you press the Home Button.

I hope it'll come to the 3GS as that's what I have, but I'm not holding my breath. My contingency plan is to give my 3GS to my daughter...
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post #102 of 159
Apparently this is not available on theMilestone, the GSM version being sold in Europe.

It could be a network specific feature.

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Does Apple offer free turn-by-turn navigation integrated

http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmfueled_mo...-news-1225.php
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Then I'm sure you've missed the reports of Android topping the iPhone in marketshare by 2012. The new Android phones have specs to die for and every one that gets bought increases the exposure and userbase. Which means the developers will come en-masse. There's already been a 94% increase in development for Android apps within a month alone!

That was a Gartner analysis. And when has Gartner been right in predicting a future that is more than 3 months out?
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Apparently this is not available on the GSM version being sold in Europe.

It could be a network specific feature.



http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmfueled_mo...-news-1225.php

It's actually a Google thing. Google has much more of the US mapped out in their database than Europe. So they're more confident that their mapping program will work as intended here.

Could you imagine what trouble they'd get into if their routing used the incomplete mapping information in Europe and constantly led people around wrong? They're just playing it smart and safe.

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That was a Gartner analysis. And when has Gartner been right in predicting a future that is more than 3 months out?

No idea. But the reasoning they use seems fairly right. Google is playing a numbers game. By splitting Android across multiple manufacturers and carriers, they don't limit themselves in the number of products.

Only Apple has the iPhone. They release a new model, there's only 1 model on the market (purely vertical). Google so far has HTC, Motorola, Sony-Ericsson. If each of them only releases 1 new model, that's still a total of 3 models new to the market. They lay out a broad base and build up from there.

And this is only for the smartphone market. Android is being dabbled in in all kinds of electronics. Since it's open and more or less free, expect many more companies to jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't take a stretch of the mind to see how this numbers game works in Google's advantage.
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Or if they trod all over other people's copyrights, Nokia with Navteq for example.

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It's actually a Google thing. Google has much more of the US mapped out in their database than Europe. So they're more confident that their mapping program will work as intended here.

Could you imagine what trouble they'd get into if their routing used the incomplete mapping information in Europe and constantly led people around wrong? They're just playing it smart and safe.

The roundabouts near my house which were replaced by traffic lights four years ago, still show up in Google maps as roundabouts even though the satellite pictures show traffic lights.

You pay peanuts you get monkeys.
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....better be sure you like Verizon and the new DROID....termination fee has been doubled to $350.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10622...s-outrage.html

For starters that would apply to people who purchase a smartphone AFTER 11/15/09, so the majority of Droid users will be all set. Not to mention Verizon offers a 30 day trial period. After all of this it's still not 100% confirmed what "smartphones" the $350 ETF apply's to. So it's fair to say that you should NOT let the $350 ETF scare you away for this reason.
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Or if they trod all over other people's copyrights, Nokia with Navteq for example.



The roundabouts near my house which were replaced by traffic lights four years ago, still show up in Google maps as roundabouts even though the satellite pictures show traffic lights.

You pay peanuts you get monkeys.

Eh. 4 years is a long time, but no company's 100% perfect on their mapping software. Plus I'm sure Google doesn't expect you to blindly follow their directions without stopping at those lights and plow right through.
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For starters that would apply to people who purchase a smartphone AFTER 11/15/09, so the majority of Droid users will be all set. Not to mention Verizon offers a 30 day trial period. After all of this it's still not 100% confirmed what "smartphones" the $350 ETF apply's to. So it's fair to say that you should NOT let the $350 ETF scare you away for this reason.

I agree that ETF shouldnt scare anyone, but I don t think the majority of Droid owners will reside within the first 9 days of launch.

PS: The ETF fee also drops by $5 each month. Since the $175 fee drops by $5 each month I think this one would have been more fair if it dropped $10 each month.
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post #109 of 159
The iPhone is undoubtedly a success but even Apple realized they cant sustain this extreme growth they've had without going multi carrier AND adding something new to the mix (the 4G had better impress, i know quite a few who still rock a 2G/3G because the 3GS is the same thing, just a lil faster and a bit bigger memory. 6 people i know personally have bought an iPhone in the past 2 months, all got a 3G except 1).

Their profit margin per phone is very high and that's due to the fact of their exclusive agreements have netted them quite a lot. RIM sells their berrys around 340ish (depending on model) Apple would be in this same range, but with carriers like AT&T DESPERATE to keep customers in, they are willing to shell out 4-500 dollars per phone to Apple, and iirc it only costs roughly 210 bucks (not exact) to build, their making a killing.

Now that their going multi carrier i think we'll see even more profit obviously for hitting customers they couldnt reach before, but their profit per phone is going to plummet due to the end of exclusive agreements. Theres no doubt in my mind that if AT&T wasnt dumping so much money, Apple would be going to T-Mobile very soon (already there? I know T-Mo handles issues with my girls 2G, theres no doubt it would be a smash hit on their carrier) before going LTE and then take the entire US market.
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Ive also read reviews of the physical keyboard not being as fast as typing with the virtual keyboard because the keys are too flush and dont give enough tactile feedback when pressed, making it less natural to use than other physical keyboards.

Per these reviews, the Droid's physical keyboard also does not have predictive typing or autocorrect. Only the virtual keyboard includes it.
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Per these reviews, the Droid's physical keyboard also does not have predictive typing or autocorrect. Only the virtual keyboard includes it.

Seriously? I read that the predictive and autocorrect wasnt as advanced as the iPhones, but I assumed that the physical keyboard would have it. Seems odd that its not the same engine regardless of the input source.
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Seriously? I read that the predictive and autocorrect wasnt as advanced as the iPhones, but I assumed that the physical keyboard would have it. Seems odd that its not the same engine regardless of the input source.

Most physical qwerty phones dont offer autocorrect (they do, but on common misspelled words) which is good or bad depending on how you slice it. Its very easy to make a mistake on a touchscreen phone which is why good autocorrect is a must. I use my Bold, and i can feel out the keys, so i can easy type without looking at all down at the keyboard to see what im hitting but the screen instead. This isnt possible on any touchscreen, hell my girl types super fast on her iPhone but she has to look down at what shes looking at.
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No idea. But the reasoning they use seems fairly right. Google is playing a numbers game. By splitting Android across multiple manufacturers and carriers, they don't limit themselves in the number of products.

Only Apple has the iPhone. They release a new model, there's only 1 model on the market (purely vertical). Google so far has HTC, Motorola, Sony-Ericsson. If each of them only releases 1 new model, that's still a total of 3 models new to the market. They lay out a broad base and build up from there.

And this is only for the smartphone market. Android is being dabbled in in all kinds of electronics. Since it's open and more or less free, expect many more companies to jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't take a stretch of the mind to see how this numbers game works in Google's advantage.

Gartner (and you) seem to take for granted that the Windows-like branded software model (which is what Google is using except that Android is free) will be successful in consumer electronics. This despite the failure of PlaysforSure in mp3/media players, and WinMo in cellphones. And the model is just not being used for other electronics.

Gartner (and you) also assume that Apple will stick to the 1 model approach, despite it already having 3 models (3G, 3GS, China 3GS). I agree Apple won't make anything with less than a 3.2" multi-touch display and virtual keyboard, but there's still room for additional cellular models with different form factors. When the majority of the market moves to "app phones" instead of feature phones, I think Apple will have those additional models.

And if you're going to include other electronics for Android, then one needs to include Apple's iPod touch, the rumored "Tablet", and whatever comes next. I don't think Gartner's numbers included any projection for that.

If the Droid isn't more successful than other Android phones (given its prominent perch on the largest US carrier), and if it isn't way more successful than the Storm was on Verizon, it's quite possible that the Android fervor will start to cool off.
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Seriously? I read that the predictive and autocorrect wasnt as advanced as the iPhones, but I assumed that the physical keyboard would have it. Seems odd that its not the same engine regardless of the input source.

From Mossberg's review:

"Unfortunately for lovers of physical keyboards, I found the one on the Droid to be pretty awful [with] flat, cramped keys that induce too many typing errors, yet lacks auto-correction"
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For starters that would apply to people who purchase a smartphone AFTER 11/15/09, so the majority of Droid users will be all set. Not to mention Verizon offers a 30 day trial period. After all of this it's still not 100% confirmed what "smartphones" the $350 ETF apply's to. So it's fair to say that you should NOT let the $350 ETF scare you away for this reason.

I don't think Verizon hopes that the majority of Droid users will have bought their Droid by 11/15/09. That's only 9 days of sales.

If it really is so, the Droid will be dead by Christmas.
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Yes, limited multitasking. While it's impressive that my Storm can have 20+ apps open at the same time, it eats up memory really quickly. From what I've seen, Android lets you have 6 apps open at the same time. I'm not sure if it automatically does a rolling closing (rhymes!) of apps higher than 6.

Most people probably won't have 6 apps open at the same time. 10 is pushing it. Limited multitasking is a good balance between multitasking and making sure there's plenty of memory for those apps.

What I've found interesting on the iPhone is that quite a few streaming radio apps enable
"background processing" by switching you to a "virtual" Safari webpage when you quit the app so that it can keep playing music in the background. It works great except when I already have eight pages open in Safari and it automatically quits one of them on me.
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and a crappy browser that you can't actually do multi touch zooming on...

Just to crystal clear here. The OS doesnt have multi-touch, but the SDK allows developers to use it. More info and a video at the link below
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/11/04...ruel-to-droid/
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Their profit margin per phone is very high and that's due to the fact of their exclusive agreements have netted them quite a lot. RIM sells their berrys around 340ish (depending on model) Apple would be in this same range, but with carriers like AT&T DESPERATE to keep customers in, they are willing to shell out 4-500 dollars per phone to Apple, and iirc it only costs roughly 210 bucks (not exact) to build, their making a killing.

Now that their going multi carrier i think we'll see even more profit obviously for hitting customers they couldnt reach before, but their profit per phone is going to plummet due to the end of exclusive agreements. Theres no doubt in my mind that if AT&T wasnt dumping so much money, Apple would be going to T-Mobile very soon (already there? I know T-Mo handles issues with my girls 2G, theres no doubt it would be a smash hit on their carrier) before going LTE and then take the entire US market.

Analysts don't point this out much but Apple gets additional dollars per phone, especially in the US, because unlike all the other handset makers, Apple does all the marketing, warranty support, and repair. And Apple has its own stores that sign up customers for AT&T. So even with multi-carriers, if Apple insists on and gets these same policies, it will still get more dollars per phone. (And it will have greater expenses per phone sold as well.)

Whether this shows up in the iPhone line or somewhere else in their revenue is unclear to me.
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RIM is doing good, so they don't really need to change their approach to smart phones dramatically. Like Apple do, you don't change wining formula.

Nokia, well. I believe their new (Linux based?) platform has potential. They are a bit slow to respond but considering their size, I'd say they have enough reserve to recover and bounce back before things go desperate.

And Nokia does have advantage over Apple, even at present. Even if "smart" part of Nokias leave much to be desired, "phone" part works much better than iPhone, I'm afraid.

Carrying company Nokia E63 and my iPhone 3Gs together across wide Auckland area - both on Vodafone 3G network, I did notice that Nokia is very happy with signal most of the time - actually haven't noticed it switching from 3G to 2G or even loosing more than 2 (out of 7) tabs of signal strength... while my beloved iPhone goes to 2G often and also sits on sad 1 tab of 3G signal a lot of time. I also caught 2 brief "no service" messages where Nokia was absolutely happy to oblige.

This is not a small difference, I'm afraid. Going rural (bushwalks, camping) would likely make 3Gs very useless phone around here.

As I have mentioned in different tread, I've compared my findings with 2 more 3Gs units, and all of them were equally touchy signal wise.

Great device, bellow average phone \

From what I'm reading, RIM could be in trouble.
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From what I'm reading, RIM could be in trouble.

RIM needs to step things up dramatically. This isn't three years ago. It's never a good thing when your competition is gaining on you by leaps and bounds. Apple will soon overtake RIM.
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