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What is it like (Windows 7)? It must be more intuitive than XP? I've never used Vista so I would be coming from that perspective.


MS could make the coolest OS ever with all kinds of advancements, but if the GUI stays the same then people whine about how nothing changed. when they change the GUI too much people complain that they don't want to learn the new GUI.

Google Desktop is a dog when it indexes your stuff but people love it. MS did the same thing in Vista and people hated it and said Vista was too slow.

7 is OK. snappier than Vista. Same kernel as Vista SP2. XP Mode works great and is nice and fast. for some reason my IE still refuses to update RSS feeds. most of the big changes between XP and Win 7 came between Vista RTM and SP2 when they changed kernels
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Microsoft's heavily hyped Windows 7 debut was a success for the Redmond, Wash., company in terms of boxed software, which saw a 234 percent increase over Vista, though PC hardware sales slowed.


I've mentioned it before, Windows 7 is going to do well.

What's going to do even better come the holidays is Windows 7 netbooks.


But!

1: Netbooks are underpowered, as people will soon realize. But they will accept it because netbooks are trendy and cheaper, in this rough economy. Also they have a Xbox or a PS3 for gaming, don't need it on their computers anymore.

2: Windows 7 still requires anti-virus software, which Windows 7 is under this assumption that it will be a more robust OS than XP. Which it is not really when 8 out of 10 recent malware gets through and infects Windows 7. When netbook buyers realize even more performance loss because they are running anti-malware software, they will regret their decision.

So expect a flood of cheap netbook sales for the holidays and dead sales until school starts the end of next summer.

10.2% nationwide unemployment today.

Apple needs to bring some manufacturing back to the US. Most of their hardware is built by machine anyway, but it would create some jobs and good press.

Yes I know about the data center Apple is building.
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the fact that 29.99 is the same price a snow leopard qualifies this article to be apple insider news?

how about comparing windows 7 with tomato fertilizer for the same price? sounds more appropriate...


First of all, the continuing "saga" of M$ versus Apple, has been, and will be of interest to almost anyone following computer OS development .... or are you just trying to find something, anything to whine and bitch about.

Secondly, this is not the only story on AI ... if you're not interested, just skip it and move on ... simple. Interesting that you choose to bitch about it instead ... why?
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It's nice to see that MOST people in this thread can appreciate at good product regardless of who makes it.

I moved from the Windows world to the Mac world a few months ago not because Windows sucks, but because I couldn't find a Windows-based machine that offered me the sexy looks and battery life of a 13" MacBook Pro encased in aluminum. I'm still running a copy of Windows 7 RC1 in VirtualBox and have no complaints.

It's a shame that some people, however, have to be so close-minded when it comes to Microsoft.
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How many of those "sold" boxes of Fista SP3 are actually sitting on shelves at WalMart or Best Buy?
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EXACTLY. Other than two very tame commercials with that little girl, Microsoft itself did very little to promote, and definitely did not "hype" Win 7 at all.

People who used Win7 (RC, RTM, whatever) were the ones who hyped the product. That in itself should say something.

I guess that SB appearance on television or those print ads or banner ads on various web sites don't qualify as hype, huh?
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Very few PC people upgrade their OS to begin with. They simply buy new computers as PCs are relatively inexpensive compared to Apple's "premium" hardware.


No doubt due to the eventual "slowing down" of windows OS ... no need to go to the trouble of "cleaning out" the machine when you can just park it and get a new one ... brilliant!
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Gald I'm not the only one that sees it. You would think Bill Gates ran over his grandmother. In his world everything not Apple is doomed to fail. Its funny yet pathetic at the same time.

Given Apple's achievements over the last decade and how they've changd the face of consumer tech, Apple "fanboism" is more than forgivable. Can you really blame Apple fans for their enthusiasm? It's completely natural to enjoy and get excited about Apple tech. What's not to like??

Macs
OS X
iPods
iPhone.
And all the software to match.

All best in class.

And after 8 years of half-assing its core business MS finally manages to push out Win 7, while simultaneously destroying its Mobile presence (Apple did that for them, though) and making another half-hearted attempt at an MP3 player, a market that Apple chewed up and spat out about 2 years ago.

Why the hell should I have anything good to say about MS, aside from the fact that their existence makes Apple look that much better? If by some strange twist of fate we'd all be on Linux and Apple machines a few years from now, who would really miss them? What have they really contributed to the consumer sector aside from a loss-leading gaming console and a decent version of Windows after 8 years of garbage? More Office bloatware? An array of confusing Live services? Songsmith?

Aside from their utility as a foil for Apple and to prevent Apple from assuming the problems of dominant marketshare, screw 'em. I see nothing redeeming about MS' products. At all.

MS is the ugly friend the cheerleader hangs out with. That's it.
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Well that's not true for computer hardware- at all . Where's Blu-ray? Where's quad laptops? Where's hybrid gloss/matte screens? HDMI? etc, etc. Apple computers just got SD slots for godsake! in 2009!

If they have all of their success without following your "advice" imagine how they would do with it. Actually I'd still put my money on SJ .... anyday!
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MS is the ugly friend the cheerleader hangs out with. That's it.

Now that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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See, if the fact that Vista wasn't revolutionary enough for XP users to justify the price is what you call a "garbage operating system" then I wonder what all those people who don't buy OSX upgrades call OSX...


I think a "garbage OS" is when hardware manufacturers actually have to "upgrade" to a previous OS to make a sale ... afaik, still a first in modern history ... way to go M$!
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Microsoft's heavily hyped Windows 7 debut was a success for the Redmond, Wash., company in terms of boxed software, which saw a 234 percent increase over Vista, though PC hardware sales slowed.

I wonder if the heavily hyped Windows 7 was more or less a success then the heavily hyped Motorola Droid going on sale at Verizon stores? I heard on the news where when Verizon stores close Thursday, the staff wouldn't go home but would set up posters, displays, inventory, etc for a few hours and then come back at midnight for the product release... I don't know if this was for every Verizon store in every state, but I considered going to my local store at midnight but valued my sleep instead.

Did anybody go to the midnite bash? If not how about today, out of curiosity, has anyone looked at the Droid and inquire if it will look to be as successful as Microsoft's Windows 7 launch?

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Now that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

You've never heard of "the ugly friend of the hot girl"?? Happens all the time. It's pretty well established in the pop-culture consciousness. Here's a brief example:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ly-friend.html
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You've never heard of "the ugly friend of the hot girl"??

I've heard of it but it makes no sense in this context. I think it is more like MS is the football player who stepped on your eyeglasses.

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I think a "garbage OS" is when hardware manufacturers actually have to "upgrade" to a previous OS to make a sale ... afaik, still a first in modern history ... way to go M$!

Hmm. Well, actually, it's not exactly an upgrade if it costs less. I think for a lot of manufacturers, it wasn't a matter of trying to make a sale, but rather, trying to compete at lower price ranges.

You can get a netbook with ubuntu. Does that point to saving money, or to an overwhelming outcry of Windows?

Don't get me wrong, I see how you can use that to try and convey your point, but everywhere I saw that offered XP past Vista's release did so to save money, just as offering a dual core processor could save money over a quad core.

There's always a market for yesteryear's greatest.
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Very few PC people upgrade their OS to begin with. They simply buy new computers as PCs are relatively inexpensive compared to Apple's "premium" hardware.

Or could it be the price of Micro$oft's "upgrades"? (Windows 7 is really more like a Vista service pack).
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Given Apple's achievements over the last decade and how they've changd the face of consumer tech, Apple "fanboism" is more than forgivable. Can you really blame Apple fans for their enthusiasm? It's completely natural to enjoy and get excited about Apple tech. What's not to like??

Macs
OS X
iPods
iPhone.
And all the software to match.

All best in class.

And after 8 years of half-assing its core business MS finally manages to push out Win 7, while simultaneously destroying its Mobile presence (Apple did that for them, though) and making another half-hearted attempt at an MP3 player, a market that Apple chewed up and spat out about 2 years ago.

Why the hell should I have anything good to say about MS, aside from the fact that their existence makes Apple look that much better? If by some strange twist of fate we'd all be on Linux and Apple machines a few years from now, who would really miss them? What have they really contributed to the consumer sector aside from a loss-leading gaming console and a decent version of Windows after 8 years of garbage? More Office bloatware? An array of confusing Live services? Songsmith?

Aside from their utility as a foil for Apple and to prevent Apple from assuming the problems of dominant marketshare, screw 'em. I see nothing redeeming about MS' products. At all.

MS is the ugly friend the cheerleader hangs out with. That's it.

Well, you're definitely not alone in getting excited over Apple's progress. When I was in highschool, I used to frown when I thought of Apple. It's because of Apple that I ever became interested in computers to begin with. In elementary school, Apple computers were all we would use. But what happened? They really REALLY let us down. It felt as though they were non-existent while MS was putting out crap like Windows Millennium.

Then when they came out with the ipod, and I knew immediately they weren't going down without a fight. At the time, I was still toting around CD's with mp3's burned to them. To have my entire library of mp3s on a device made complete sense. You know what happened after that.

So Apple got hungry! Their laziness went away, and now they are attacking the market with great products. HIZZAH! If Apple can do to MS EXACTLY what MS did to Apple 10 years ago, then someday MS might make the same sort of comeback, and actually make impressive progress.

Now, when you say what's to like about MS, I kinda giggle. It isn't just MS you bash. ANY kind of competition to Apple, you immediately dismiss without much thought.

BTW, they haven't destroyed their mobile presence. Just because you and all your buds own an iphone doesn't mean they don't have a key roll in the business sector. Pretty much everyone I work with has a WM phone.
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I wonder if the heavily hyped Windows 7 was more or less a success then the heavily hyped Motorola Droid going on sale at Verizon stores? I heard on the news where when Verizon stores close Thursday, the staff wouldn't go home but would set up posters, displays, inventory, etc for a few hours and then come back at midnight for the product release... I don't know if this was for every Verizon store in every state, but I considered going to my local store at midnight but valued my sleep instead.

Did anybody go to the midnite bash? If not how about today, out of curiosity, has anyone looked at the Droid and inquire if it will look to be as successful as Microsoft's Windows 7 launch?

Well the Droid received an absolutely stellar review in yesterday's NYTimes by Apple fanboi David Pogue. It appears to beat the iPhone in quite a number of categories.
Here check them out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/te...h/05pogue.html
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Well the Droid received an absolutely stellar review in yesterday's NYTimes by Apple fanboi David Pogue. It appears to beat the iPhone in quite a number of categories.
Here check them out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/te...h/05pogue.html

Thanks for the link. I read where he says you can email while on a call. That sounds like data and voice at the same time. Which is it? Can or can't do both data and voice.

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Well the Droid received an absolutely stellar review in yesterday's NYTimes by Apple fanboi David Pogue. It appears to beat the iPhone in quite a number of categories.

"But the Droid has its weak spots, and some of them are heartbreaking. The big one is polish and simplicity; the Droid just doesnt have enough."

Not the only critical comment in the article. "Stellar" is not the word that comes to mind to characterize his take on the Droid. "Pretty good" would be more accurate.
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Microsoft's heavily hyped Windows 7 debut was a success for the Redmond, Wash., company in terms of boxed software, which saw a 234 percent increase over Vista, though PC hardware sales slowed.

I'll assume that means vs. the first week sales of Vista, or something similar. To know if it's even meaningful, we'd need to know the absolute numbers. Could be impressive, or not so much.
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"But the Droid has its weak spots, and some of them are heartbreaking. The big one is polish and simplicity; the Droid just doesn’t have enough."

Not the only critical comment in the article. "Stellar" is not the word that comes to mind to characterize his take on the Droid. "Pretty good" would be more accurate.

Not only do you not know the meaning of the phrase "of the decade" but you also obviously need your buddy solpisism's course in reading comprehension.
Did your eyes not see this?

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"Motorola’s new team faced a spectacularly difficult task and did a spectacularly great job."

If that's not stellar - tell me what is?
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Simply posting links to articles that other people have written or regurgitating the same old Microsoft vs Apple crap just makes you look foolish when you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

My links to articles and sources from around the net vs. your speculation, conjecture, and anecdotal information.

Worked fine so far.

I just posted my personal opinion, laced with speculation, conjecture, and anecdotal information. Exactly what you do. No doubt I'll find common cause with a lot of members around here, but that's beside the point.

So you keep trying to convince all of us that you're not a Windows troll lost on his way to Winsupersite or Neowin, and I'll keep posting those links.

Deal?
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Hmm. Well, actually, it's not exactly an upgrade if it costs less. I think for a lot of manufacturers, it wasn't a matter of trying to make a sale, but rather, trying to compete at lower price ranges.

Guess you missed the quotation marks around "upgrade" (meant as a sarcasm, ok?) ... and I suppose that the thousands of people who bought a machine with Vista on it and then subsequently downgraded to XP did so to what? .... get a refund on Vista to "save money" (more sarcasm}

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]Don't get me wrong, I see how you can use that to try and convey your point, but everywhere I saw that offered XP past Vista's release did so to save money.

I haven't seen "spin" like that since the old " We're sure that there are WMD's ... we just can't find them" days.

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There's always a market for yesteryear's greatest.

Don't worry, M$ has got "yesteryear's market" sewn up! (more ... ah forget it ... if you don't recognize it by now, you never will)
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Upgrading to Vista was confusing and the price was high for most users but that isn't the case with Windows 7. People with an .edu email can get it for 29.99 and there is always the option to get the OEM verions which is always alot cheaper. Even retail verions are far better then what Vista cost.

If they keep lowering their price .... they will eventually sell it for what it's worth .... sorry extreme ... could not resist.
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Did your eyes not see this?

[...]

If that's not stellar - tell me what is?

He had some good things to say, he had some bad things to say. Stellar, properly used, implies it was all good; it wasn't.

For a definition of "stellar" see: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stellar

Then, if you can use it correctly in a sentence, we can talk about adding a row to teckstud_knowledge.
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Not only do you not know the meaning of the phrase "of the decade" but you also obviously need your buddy solpisism's course in reading comprehension.
Did your eyes not see this?



If that's not stellar - tell me what is?

Stellar?

Certainly not this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/te...ogue.html?_r=1

1.

Motorola's "Droid has its weak spots, and some of them are heartbreaking. The big one is polish and simplicity; the Droid just doesn’t have enough. Techies may go nuts over its flexibility, but normal people are in for some floundering. Sometimes the keyboard doesn’t light up when it should. Sometimes the screen image doesn’t rotate when it should," David Pogue reports for The New York Times.

2.

"The camera has an LED flash, which helps at close range at night, but the camera itself is balky and slow to focus and fire. You can record videos (at a high 720 by 480 resolution, although they don’t look any sharper) and upload them to YouTube, but you can’t trim the dead air off the ends first [as you can with Apple's iPhone 3GS]," Pogue reports.

3.

"The Droid doesn’t work outside the United States, as the iPhone does (for an added fee). There’s no iTunes-like auto-synching software for the Droid, either, so loading music, photos and videos is a drag-and-drop operation," Pogue reports. "The Droid’s Web browser is good, but slower than the iPhone’s. And you have to zoom in and out by tapping +/- buttons or double-tapping the screen. That is, you can’t control how much to zoom, so you get far less control (and pleasure) than “pinching and spreading” with two fingers on the iPhone and Palm Pre. Ditto with maps and photos."

4.

"The real bummer, though, is the apps. The Android Market may offer 12,000 of them, but the iPhone store has 100,000 — and over all, they seem to be more useful and imaginative," Pogue reports. "Shopping is more awkward on the Droid, too, because you have to do it all on the phone; you can’t use your computer, as you can for the iPhone. There’s not much room for the apps on the Droid, either. Although Verizon includes a 16-gigabyte memory card for your music and photos, apps have to be stored in a 560-megabyte chunk of built-in memory.


Actually, only 256mb is avaiable for apps. Lots of users' average for apps on the iPhone is about 400-600mb, and that's not even close to max, obviously. I guess iDon't have enough apps and iDon't have enough space to store them. Those are some awesome selling points.

As I've said before, when competing with Apple, "good enough" is never enough. The first battle is to kill off enough of Apple's mindhsare to cultivate your own. And very often, that battle is lost even before it's begun. Apple is already ahead of the game against the Droid. Big problem. If your product is not revolutionary out of the gate, it's going to fall victim to Continued iPhone Development(TM).

Here was the interesing part:

The big one is polish and simplicity; the Droid just doesn’t have enough.

That's a huge problem.
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Did your eyes not see this?

"Motorola’s new team faced a spectacularly difficult task and did a spectacularly great job."

If that's not stellar - tell me what is?

And just like a newborn child taking it's "first steps" it might take years to "get it right" .... and I'm sure that you'll be there to point it out to us, except, of course, if they get it wrong.
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I found this comment from the Pogue review interesting.....

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Droid is all masculine, all the time. When you slide the screen up to reveal the thumb keyboard, theres no spring-assisted snap; it drags like a plow through soil. Its all part of the manly man design concept.

I'm sure that will go over well with all the manly men but what will women think about the design?
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He had some good things to say, he had some bad things to say. Stellar, properly used, implies it was all good; it wasn't.

For a definition of "stellar" see: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stellar

Then, if you can use it correctly in a sentence, we can talk about adding a row to teckstud_knowledge.

Only anoymous would use wiki for definitions. Here let me assist you at something a little more reliable:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stellar

Here you will see that stellar actually means outstanding. David Pogue said spectacular which actually trumps outstanding.

Kindly use Merriam -Webster when providing definitions with your homework next time.
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I found this comment from the Pogue review interesting.....



I'm sure that will go over well with all the manly men but what will women think about the design?

Forget the women - what about the girly mon?
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Stellar?


Here was the interesing part:

The big one is polish and simplicity; the Droid just doesn’t have enough.

That's a huge problem.

Not really- Here's the real problem:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/te...h/05pogue.html

Since Verizon seems to want a Droid-iPhone faceoff, here it is: the Droid wins on phone network, customizability, GPS navigation, speaker, physical keyboard, removable battery and openness (free operating system, mostly uncensored app store).

Funny- no mention of FLASH.
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Only anoymous would use wiki for definitions. Here let me assist you at something a little more reliable:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stellar

Here you will see that stellar actually means outstanding. David Pogue said spectacular which actually trumps outstanding.

Kindly use Merriam -Webster when providing definitions with your homework next time.
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Or "exceptional; wonderful", from the wiki.

Outstanding, spectacular, excpetional, wonderful . . . are all synonyms of "stellar", Teck.

It's a stellar phone, for an Android phone.
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You talk about trolls your one of the biggest trolls on this forum.

If you "fish" in your favorite lake ... you're not "trolling" .... but if you go to someone else's "favorite" lake and then proceed to tell them that their lake sucks ..... that's trolling ...... and just plain bad manners to boot.
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Here you will see that stellar actually means outstanding. David Pogue said spectacular which actually trumps outstanding.

The overall review does not qualify as "stellar". There are several significant criticisms. You can choose to ignore those, but that doesn't change the reality, it just makes your characterization mistaken.
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B]Since Verizon seems to want a Droid-iPhone faceoff, here it is: the Droid wins on phone network, customizability, GPS navigation, speaker, physical keyboard, removable battery and openness (free operating system, mostly uncensored app store). [/B]

And the rest of the comparison...

"The iPhone wins on simplicity, refinement, thinness, design, Web browsing, music/video synching with your computer, accessory ecosystem and quality/quantity of the app store."
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Upgrading to Vista was confusing and the price was high for most users but that isn't the case with Windows 7.

Windows 7 has the same ridiculous stratification of "editions". You're just inured to it now. Nothing's changed.

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People with an .edu email can get it for 29.99 and there is always the option to get the OEM verions which is always alot cheaper.

IMHO the .edu discount doesn't apply to "most [Windows] users" and "most [Windows] users" aren't going to buy the OEM upgrade either.

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Even retail verions are far better then what Vista cost.

Uh, no, they're not. They're just about the same.
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And the rest of the comparison...

"The iPhone wins on simplicity, refinement, thinness, design, Web browsing, music/video synching with your computer, accessory ecosystem and quality/quantity of the app store."

I will bet the iPhone wins handily on battery life, too, and Droid users will be compelled to carry a spare. The only battery comparisons I've seen so far have been highly subjective and based on very limited usage of the Droid.
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And the rest of the comparison...

"The iPhone wins on simplicity, refinement, thinness, design, Web browsing, music/video synching with your computer, accessory ecosystem and quality/quantity of the app store."

Looks like different strokes for different folks. And the better the competition, the better for us all. I personally can't wait until the next iPhone with a flash, I would gather.
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I will bet the iPhone wins handily on battery life, too, and Droid users will be compelled to carry a spare. The only battery comparisons I've seen so far have been highly subjective and based on very limited usage of the Droid.

Well then the Droid battery must be pretty pathetic then as I've never had my iPhone last more than half a day. And I have to constantly charge it while at work. Not complaining - just stating facts.
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