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And the rest of the comparison...

"The iPhone wins on simplicity, refinement, thinness, design, Web browsing, music/video synching with your computer, accessory ecosystem and quality/quantity of the app store."

Windows 7 has the same ridiculous stratification of "editions". You're just inured to it now. Nothing's changed.


IMHO the .edu discount doesn't apply to "most [Windows] users" and "most [Windows] users" aren't going to buy the OEM upgrade either.


Uh, no, they're not. They're just about the same.

I will bet the iPhone wins handily on battery life, too, and Droid users will be compelled to carry a spare. The only battery comparisons I've seen so far have been highly subjective and based on very limited usage of the Droid.

Looks like different strokes for different folks. And the better the competition, the better for us all. I personally can't wait until the next iPhone with a flash, I would gather.

Well then the Droid battery must be pretty pathetic then as I've never had my iPhone last more than half a day. And I have to constantly charge it while at work. Not complaining - just stating facts.

I thought you were holding out for Blu-ray.

... ...

Which iPhone do you have, the original? My 3GS lasts 2 days easily with moderate use and 3G active. The Droid might have the same capacity battery as the iPhone, but I expect broader support for multitasking (combined with careless usage of multitasking) and the higher-res display will kill it faster.

Windows 7 sales have exceeded Vista sales by 234%. Places like Amazon were offering pretty good discounts on pre sales. Anyone going to college even without and .edu account and get Windows 7 home premium for 29.99.

Acutally Windows 7 has three editions both offered in x86 and x64 where Vista had four. Home basic has been dropped.

Same here, but I have 3G, WiFi and Bluetooth active all the time. I have to charge every 2 days.....and I thought that was bad.

It doesn't last very long because he's always on AI posting

That's a meaningless statistic, unless you can provide absolute numbers for context. It would be true if Vista sold 100 copies and 7 sold 334 copies, but those numbers would mean they were both an utter disaster. Maybe a 234% increase is a great thing, maybe it's just mediocre, maybe it's actually terrible.

"apple has proven that a closed system works exceptionally well. Problems with "censorship" (or rather "management" and a closed system? Yet we have record iphone sales and growth that is unmatched in the industry. "

It isnt all that hard to have record growth when you started out with 0% market share tow years ago. Rim still has four of the top six smartphones including the #1 spot and while you try to discount the droid its goin to spank the iphone. You can quote me on this a year from now.

If the iPhone ever takes the #1 spot then you can call it unmatched.

I expect we won't have numbers until after the holiday season. We will have to see if they hit the projected numbers which is 40 million by year end and 117 million by the end of 2010.

One thing we know already its going to be higher then the 5 million Snow Leopard sales.

Maybe your battery is defective because my 3GS lasts all day and usually still has half charge at the end of the day. As much time as you spend here at AI and the rest of the day you are running down your iPhone you must not get much work done at your job.

I have a 3Gs. I go out to lunch at 100% charge - when I come back in an hour it's down to 75- 80%. I swear- is it AT&T's 3G that's draining it? I usually update NY Times, don't play music, go on line- but that's it. It drains like that in an hour. After a night out it's below 50%- at least. I always have to charge it at night or risk by lunch the next day it being drained.

That is my job, didn't you know?
I'm on AI on a PC. I get to see all of AI's flash ads- no problem!

You do that?????

God have I been misquoted on that by both you and your mentor solipsism who claims I want that in my AppleTV (never said that). I only want it in my HD 16:9 iMac- at least as an option. Is that too much to ask?

Drained!!!!!

Teck's a shooter. Texting the ladies alone takes up half the battery.

Something is not right. Are you sure you don't have Wifi and/or Bluetooth enabled also? But even still, that shouldn't drain your battery that much in an hour. I left the house at 7:30 this morning with 100% and now (4:38 pm) I am at 72%. I have 3G, Wifi, Bluetooth enabled. I'm fetching/pushing email every 15 minutes and listen to 1 hour (gym at lunch) of music. Access Facebook several times a day and surf one or two times. I only got one phone call.

Yeah the word is out Quadra 610 will follow an Apple product right off of a cliff!

Apple make some really GREAT consumer products. We can all agree with that but we don't follow blindly. MS has some great product as well. So does HP, Dell , Acer and so forth........

That's odd...I listen to music and surf a little update my Facebook and got about 30 emails today and the battery is still at 70%
But I turn off Bluetooth and wireless where it asks to join new wireless networks so it is not constantly searching for wireless networks.
You might have a defective battery......

Consumers that have switched to the Mac are not going to return to Microsoft. Years of disgust with Microsoft is what caused many people to switch in the first place. Apple would have to make the consumer very angry in order to motivate him/her to switch back to the PC world.

Seven is a consumer operating system. Play with Seven long enough, and you begin to understand that Windows 7 is a polished version of Vista. Most consumers will not notice. Compared to Vista, Seven does have some nice features copied from the Apple, such as an intuitive program/file search and a dock. Windows 7 will be a success, because you can buy it installed on a $300 netbook. If the consumer needs a computer simply for internet access and a couple of video games, why bother spending $1200 on a MacBook Pro?

But let's be honest, Seven is no easier for sysadmins to manage in the enterprise than Vista. For example, try to copy a user profile to default user in Seven (Microsoft disabled this feature in Seven), or have a look at Win server 2008 group policy for Seven (confusing, unnecessarily complex). If I were an Apple executive, I would take this approach when talking with CIOs. Over the next several months, watch for articles that report slow adoption of Seven in the enterprise........

In Higher Education, students are not the problem. The hard sell for Apple is to win the hearts and minds of professors .......... \

Blah Blah Blah

It's funny how it took Windows 7 less than a month to take over Snow Leopard

No matter how you cut it, Mac's worldwide marketshare ar 4% is a rounding error compared to Microsoft. PC world gets the job done the way Microsoft likes it to be done; Steve Jobs lost the PC battle to Gates long time ago. He tried it but Gates came out victorious

As for switching to macs, there are people out there who wants to have real computers and get work done rather playing with iChat video effects and sipping latte in starbucks while dressing like a hipster. Majority of users are not in the habbit of bending over to Apple to sell them an inferior hardware at twice the price. Apple can make as many ads as they want, their worldwide marketshare is irrelevant compared to Microsoft. World's biggest corporations use Microsoft technology to run their business not iChat or iMovie!

Thank you for speaking up to Quadra, I agree and second everything you say!

Try posting less ... you'll save battery .... and make a lot of people happy, very happy.... very, very happy!

Typical Apple hipster fanboy who dislikes when people critize Apple. If you criticize Apple, then you must shut up because mighty Apple is above everything. Instead of wearing of those tight shirts on your fat belly try to be a realist; not everyone bends over to Apple!

Windows version of Safari is snappier too in 7

There are tons more low end Toyotas too so I guess I better trash that Ferrari of mine, volume obviously proves they are better ... right?

If you look at TechDud's previous postings, you will probably reach the same conclusion many of us have of him, i.e. he tends to, how shall I put it, say whatever he has to say to back up his opinion .... even if it sounds to be unbelievable. I really wouldn't rely too much on his "facts."

Yeah...well Apple is no Ferrari.......but what does everyone that sees a Ferrari drive? Not another Ferrari....... Do you see those Ferrari at work? Do they set the standard or the other way around?
Anyway....we are all in agreement that Apple is enjoying great success! They put out great products!
But they have a very LONG way to go before they come close to catching up to MS! I enjoy and support both companies products and not ashamed to admit it!!!!

I would suggest simply adding him to the blocked list. It is so much nicer reading the threads sans 'he who shall not be named'. If only others wouldn't reply to him ...\

What's the matter ... did you just realize that the person you would like to be with cannot stand you? With all the insults over mac users, sounds to me like "penis envy". Just curious, are you the bender or the bendee???

Ferrari Doesn't use the same engine as a Toyota!

Macs use the exact same compotents as the PCs out there hence why they can proclaim that they can run Windows too! They use the exact same processor, chipset, memory, graphics chip and so on! There isn't anything Ferrari like in a mac as much as you guys love the cars argument! If macs used a different hardware, then maybe you could make the argument (although we know how the whole PowerPC is better than Intel turned out!)

Unless ofcourse, you are willing to tell me the Intel processors Apple uses are different from the ones PC makers use? Or Graphics chip that Apple uses (which are considered obsolete in the PC world) are beter than the PC ones?

If anything, for the same price you get better hardware on a PC than on a mac. So yeah; your argument for Ferrari vs. Toyota doesn't hold water!


Now if you insist on car analogies, I tell you this. If Apple is like BMW, then the PC world is like Toyota. Apple only does premium market. PCs have their Toyota brand which majority of the the people purchase and they have their premium Lexus brand for those who want to spend more

Considering 90% of the world have rejected Apple and said no to their ecosystem, I'd say that the Microsoft approach is the better one!

Dont forget that stellar 5Mpx camera that takes worse pics than the crappy 3Mpx camera in the iPhone.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyi/s...7622609402533/ I cant believe someone can be so wrong so often. Im simply amazed by this warped mentality.



I think this remains to be seen. As you probably know, with 3G on and making a phone call CDMA-based phones use 2G for voice while GSM-based phones will use the 3G network. I can easily see the Droid best the iPhone here. They do list an extra hour of talk time on the website, though I dont know if Motorola uses the factual measuring method that Apple and Sony uses.

Their idle time 270hr standby time is 10% less than the 3GS 300hr. With that in mind Id wager that music, videos and internet use will considerably short than the 3GS. I predict 15% less for music, 20% less for video, and up to 35% less for internet.



I wouldnt doubt it.



AnandTech did a piece on Windows browsers to measure how they affect battery times in notebooks. IE is the best for Windows and Safari is the worst if you are trying to squeeze as much juice out of your battery. Of course, Windows is considerably worse than OS X for battery usage so youre better off to have a Mac running OS X anyway.

Better tell that to SB ... he's the one concerned enough to copy everything that Apple does, OS, Zune, retail stores, (staff & locations). Im still waiting for M$ first original idea.

And who cares about the original idea?

If anything, it is embarrassing that Microsoft defeated Apple in their own game! Ofcourse they copy Apple; every company copies another one so I don't see what the problem is. Apple didn't invent retail stores either (although no one deny's Microsoft's striking resemblance to Apple stores) and they didn't have the first smartphone either. So is Apple to be ashamed becase RIM made smartphones before them?

The whole who stole my idea is getting old and nobody cares about it anymore. What matters is that they control 90% of the market and people constantly say no to Apple in an overwhelming number!

As for SB, I'm happy he takes the competiton seriously even though the competition doesn't have any chance of hurting their primary market. I'd rather see a CEO who crushes every single competiton no matter how small they are rather than some one who does nothing

In this market, you have to be ready to fight hard and dont waste any second to hurt your opponent. Microsoft learned their lesson with the Vista years and now they are schooled enough to take any one and anything seriously. As a tenns fanatic who loves the idea of crushing your opponent i like this approach very much! You have to constntly think about your opponent and figuring out ways to fight them both in terms of product quality and propaganda! Anything less and you lose

As for Ballmer, he is far from my idea of someone who should be running Microsoft. He has gotten much better lately but Microsoft needs someone likes Gates who is sharp and hungry for success. He is the man who defeated Apple and Jobs and Microsoft needs a CEO like that

Yes, Apple conceded the bulk of the dekstop market to Microsoft.

Their results:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/21results.html

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ence_call.html

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/10/19results.html

http://themacfeed.com/?p=3920

http://www.thedomains.com/2009/10/19...revenue-up-25/

Record quarter after record quarter, going back to 2006, with growth outpacing the rest of the industry year over year.

Recession-proof.


Their market:

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/ar...NPD/1248313624

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._by_apple.html

http://techblips.dailyradar.com/stor...-electronista/


The reaction:


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...g-industry.ars

http://digg.com/apple/Apple_leads_20...faction_survey

http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/....no..1.on.csi/

http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/a...he-experience/

http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/...s-customerbase

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...stomer_sa.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts...ion-index/2553

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/22467/

http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/

http://www.macnn.com/news/25971

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/...action-survey/

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/arti...ff_The_Charts/

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08...-satisfaction/

http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iph...kings-in-japan

http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high

http://www.jdpower.com/Business/rati...tphone-ratings

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2248040/...ps-top-billing

http://www.eweek.com/prestitial.php?...453807%2F&ref=

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars

http://www.osnews.com/story/15553

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/.../t-224872.html

The cash:

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/artic...vs._microsoft/

http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/04/tech...ecade.fortune/






Yeah. Really embarrassing . . .