or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › App Store roundup: HD Radio comes to iPhone, 3G VoIP still MIA
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

App Store roundup: HD Radio comes to iPhone, 3G VoIP still MIA

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
For an extra $80, iPhone users can add an external receiver that will allow the device to receive HD radio, adding one of the features of the competing Zune HD; and VoIP application developers still await 3G support.

HD Radio: There's an app for that

iBiquity Digital has created the first HD Radio accessory for the iPhone and iPod touch. The Gigaware HD Radio Receiver, as detailed by The Wall Street Journal, costs $80 and is available at Radio Shack.

When paired with a free App Store application and headphones for an antenna, the receiver allows iPhone users to listen to HD Radio broadcasts of local stations.

Reception of the new digital broadcast method was one of Microsoft's main selling points of the new Zune HD, a portable media player that the Redmond, Wash., software giant hopes to position against Apple's industry leading iPod touch.

As Microsoft released the Zune HD in September, Apple updated its iPod touch with a faster processor that runs OpenGL ES 2.0 and began offering a 64GB capacity model. And while the new iPod nano comes with a standard FM tuner, the new iPod touch was discovered to have an FM receiver and transmitter, though it is not currently active.

According to the Journal, iBiquity has been "in talks with Apple" to place an HD Radio Reciever into future models of the iPhone and iPod touch.

Users still await VoIP calls over 3G

Voice over IP calling service Nimbuzz recently had its iPhone application approved for sale on the App Store, but the software does not allow VoIP calls over 3G. According to GigaOm, that's because Apple has not yet allowed the capability.

"Apple actually did not approve the 3G calling so they completely broke their promise of allowing VoIP calls on 3G," a Nimbuzz spokesperson reportedly said.

In October, AT&T announced it will allow VoIP calls over its 3G network on the iPhone. The move earned praise from the service Skype, as well as the U.S. Federal Communications Commission. The nation's second-largest wireless carrier did not provide a specific timeframe.

Currently, VoIP services are only capable of operating via Wi-Fi due to an agreement between Apple and AT&T over network data usage.
post #2 of 30
I don't see HD radio being a very big deal ... internet radio systems make it a silly price to pay I would have thought.
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
post #3 of 30
It should be built-in in the next iPhone model.
80 million iPhones by 2012. That's only 15% of the market.

http://www.iphonethailand.net
Reply
80 million iPhones by 2012. That's only 15% of the market.

http://www.iphonethailand.net
Reply
post #4 of 30
HD Radio?

Now there's even less reason to own a Zune.

(was there a reason in the first place?)
post #5 of 30
The VoIP stuff is getting aggravating. I think Apple is worried that if Skype gets approved then the heat comes back for the GoogleVoice App.

In the meantime, 3G Unrestrictor works great on a jail broken phone as does GV Mobile.
Hard-Core.
Reply
Hard-Core.
Reply
post #6 of 30
Does the HD radio depend on AT&T coverage? or is it a separate satellite signal?
Also- 1st and 2nd gen Touch users loose out?
post #7 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Does the HD radio depend on AT&T coverage? or is it a separate satellite signal?
Also- 1st and 2nd gen Touch users loose out?

HD radio has nothing to do with ATT coverage. It is broadcast right along with normal radio.
post #8 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by iphonedeveloperthailand View Post

It should be built-in in the next iPhone model.

Not HD radio, I don't think. And, I could be wrong, I haven't followed this topic that closely, but I believe the current 3GS model can act as an FM receiver. If, that's correct, and if the rumors of Apple planning to enable that functionality are true, it really would be nice to know when. (Not that I expect we will until and if they actually do it.) HD radio hasn't exactly taken the world, or country, by storm, and I don't think it would be worth $80 is we were going to get FM radio shortly.
post #9 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by iphonedeveloperthailand View Post

It should be built-in in the next iPhone model.

Not HD radio, I don't think. And, I could be wrong, I haven't followed this topic that closely, but I believe the current 3GS model can act as an FM receiver. If, that's correct, and if the rumors of Apple planning to enable that functionality are true, it really would be nice to know when. (Not that I expect we will until and if they actually do it.) HD radio hasn't exactly taken the world, or country, by storm, and I don't think it would be worth $80 is we were going to get FM radio shortly.
post #10 of 30
Apple keeps on lying....

Apple:

"We did not reject Google Voice" LIE
"We will allow VoIP over 3G apps" LIE

AT&T:

"We now allow VoIP apps on our network - it's up to Apple"
"We weren't even consulted about Google Voice for iPhone"

Third Party Developers:

"Apple rejected Google Voice in person"
"Apple rejected my VoIP App beacuse it does VoIP over 3G"

Most carriers carrying the iPhone already allow VoIP over 3G - there was never a contractual obligation stopping these Apps going to other App Stores other than the US one.
post #11 of 30
If someone doesn't mind, could they briefly explain what VoiP is used for over 3G? I am honestly, just not clear on it's use.
Is it for saving on your cell plan's international calls? (I don't have an iPhone or any kind of ATT service)
To me, it seems analogous to placing a paid-for cell phone call, and then placing a VoiP call over that paid call's connection.
I'm sure I'm missing something here; probably to do with ATT service plan.
Thanks.
post #12 of 30
HD Radio is great, but it should be built-in. I thought the iPhone 3GS also had an FM Radio?! Apple really should enable it! You can get many HD Radio stations streamed live via apps like AOL Radio, by the way... Actual HD Radio coverage is pretty spotty -- I hate having to listen to an HD2 station that fades in and out -- especially one I really like! They REALLY need to boost the HD Radio signals!

Yea, WHERE are those VoIP apps over 3G WITHOUT Jailbreak?! I heard Cisco is working on a VoIP iPhone app... AT&T is a dinosaur, they probably said ok just to relieve some heat, but it will take months for them to truly lift the embargo... Apple needs to start making iPhone/iPod Touch like a Mac -- no locking and no jail -- just an open device! Think different.
post #13 of 30
The HD Radio app does nothing without HW and just quits. They should have enabled streaming to the various HD Radio internet streams out there for those without the hardware...
post #14 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

HD Radio?

Now there's even less reason to own a Zune.

(was there a reason in the first place?)

One word: Subscription. The Zune Pass is an amazing deal. $15 a month, keep up to 10 songs DRM-free, and use the built-in software along with the desktop stuff to help automatically discover new music based on what you already have. Its pretty sweet.

The VoIP thing still frustrates me. It demonstrates yet again that Apple clearly isn't capable of keeping up with the app store submissions. They need to outsource this task to a third party, or better organize their team. Denying applications because they use VoIP over 3G, despite AT&T saying that they're allowing it, or denying iPhone help guides because they contain the word "iPhone" in it. Its just insane.
Video editor, tech enthusiast, developer.

http://www.yuusharo.com
http://www.studioyuu.com
Reply
Video editor, tech enthusiast, developer.

http://www.yuusharo.com
http://www.studioyuu.com
Reply
post #15 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

If someone doesn't mind, could they briefly explain what VoiP is used for over 3G? I am honestly, just not clear on it's use.

It's primarily for free/cheap international calls. Skype to Skype calls are free, Skype to landline calls are 2 cents per minute. AT&T charges $1.30+ per minute for international calls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

To me, it seems analogous to placing a paid-for cell phone call, and then placing a VoiP call over that paid call's connection.

That is completely wrong. Skype over 3G would use your unlimited data plan -- minutes do not get used.

Speaking of Skype, have they said anything about this? Has Nimbuzz complained to Apple? Sounds like it could be a clueless App Store "rejector" employee whou didn't hear that the policy has changed.
post #16 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

If someone doesn't mind, could they briefly explain what VoiP is used for over 3G? I am honestly, just not clear on it's use.
Is it for saving on your cell plan's international calls? (I don't have an iPhone or any kind of ATT service)
To me, it seems analogous to placing a paid-for cell phone call, and then placing a VoiP call over that paid call's connection.
I'm sure I'm missing something here; probably to do with ATT service plan.
Thanks.

I can place calls without using minutes or at a much reduced rate internationally via Skype or other such services. It uses data only. For me this is a big deal because I operate one business line with Skype In/Out and would like that number to show up when I make calls. I also talk to Japan a lot and that is Skype to Skype so I could be out in the mall talking to my counterparts in Japan for free and not have to worry about finding Wi-Fi.
Hard-Core.
Reply
Hard-Core.
Reply
post #17 of 30
how big is the zune's external receiver device, compared to the iPhone's? \
post #18 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted13 View Post

Speaking of Skype, have they said anything about this? Has Nimbuzz complained to Apple? Sounds like it could be a clueless App Store "rejector" employee whou didn't hear that the policy has changed.

Well, AT&T said they will allow it, I have not heard anything from Apple indicating a date for that. And it might be a lot more complex than it seems, as several official iPhone carriers internationally do not allow VoIP over EDGE and 3G. And Apple has contracts with those too.
post #19 of 30
HD radio as an accessory add-on for the iPhone is great.

BUT what about a frigging WIRED EXTERNAL KEYBOARD?!!

I had many cool folding keyboards (wired and Bluetooth) to choose from for my old PalmTreo and Blackberry which meant that I could do serious writing without lugging around a laptoop.

Is anybody listening?
post #20 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrr View Post

HD radio as an accessory add-on for the iPhone is great.

BUT what about a frigging WIRED EXTERNAL KEYBOARD?!!

I had many cool folding keyboards (wired and Bluetooth) to choose from for my old PalmTreo and Blackberry which meant that I could do serious writing without lugging around a laptoop.

Is anybody listening?

Would be nice.
post #21 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrr View Post

BUT what about a frigging WIRED EXTERNAL KEYBOARD?!!

Why do you want to be wired?
post #22 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted13 View Post

It's primarily for free/cheap international calls. Skype to Skype calls are free, Skype to landline calls are 2 cents per minute. AT&T charges $1.30+ per minute for international calls.


That is completely wrong. Skype over 3G would use your unlimited data plan -- minutes do not get used.

Speaking of Skype, have they said anything about this? Has Nimbuzz complained to Apple? Sounds like it could be a clueless App Store "rejector" employee whou didn't hear that the policy has changed.

Ah. You're charged per minute for voice; unlimited for data.
Got it.

Thanks.
post #23 of 30
I want a real iChat from Apple (including iPhone screen sharing!) and VOIP in games (mainly with friends). Throw in 3G support for Skype and Ill be even happier.
post #24 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

HD Radio?

Now there's even less reason to own a Zune.

(was there a reason in the first place?)

Yeah, because paying $80 extra and having to carry around extra hardware is so much better than having it built in for the same cost as the base model.

Besides as the uber-fanboy, shouldn't you be encouraging people to wait around until 2040 when Apple finally decides to add HD Radio and wireless syncing to the iPhone and saying how much better Apple's version will be?

p.s., are you another one of Dilger's aliases on this site? Or possibly a clone?
post #25 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Yeah, because paying $80 extra and having to carry around extra hardware is so much better than having it built in for the same cost as the base model.

Besides as the uber-fanboy, shouldn't you be encouraging people to wait around until 2040 when Apple finally decides to add HD Radio and wireless syncing to the iPhone and saying how much better Apple's version will be?

p.s., are you another one of Dilger's aliases on this site? Or possibly a clone?

$80 vs buying a whole new Zune that has IE for a browser and no apps, at the moment.

I don't listen to radio but for those who do and already got an iPhone/iPod touch the extra $80 is a better deal than buying a Zune HD..

Think of it as MS-DOS to Windows vs. migrating to Macintosh. I'm already invested in iPhone OS apps, and came to depend on quite a bunch of them, and I assume a lot are like me.

iPod nano 5th Gen 8GB Orange, iPad 3rd Gen WiFi 32GB White
MacBook Pro 15" Core i7 2.66GHz 8GB RAM 120GB Intel 320M
Mac mini Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 8GB RAM, iPhone 5 32GB Black

Reply

iPod nano 5th Gen 8GB Orange, iPad 3rd Gen WiFi 32GB White
MacBook Pro 15" Core i7 2.66GHz 8GB RAM 120GB Intel 320M
Mac mini Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 8GB RAM, iPhone 5 32GB Black

Reply
post #26 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Yeah, because paying $80 extra and having to carry around extra hardware is so much better than having it built in for the same cost as the base model.

Besides as the uber-fanboy, shouldn't you be encouraging people to wait around until 2040 when Apple finally decides to add HD Radio and wireless syncing to the iPhone and saying how much better Apple's version will be?

p.s., are you another one of Dilger's aliases on this site? Or possibly a clone?

No, I just trash lousy MS products that are lame knockoffs of what Apple already chewed up and spit out two years ago. If you don't like reading that, there's Winsupersite. And Neowin's always looking for more Windows sufferers. Misery loves company.
post #27 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrr View Post

HD radio as an accessory add-on for the iPhone is great.

BUT what about a frigging WIRED EXTERNAL KEYBOARD?!!

I had many cool folding keyboards (wired and Bluetooth) to choose from for my old PalmTreo and Blackberry which meant that I could do serious writing without lugging around a laptoop.

Is anybody listening?

Wired not, but Bluetooth, totally. Why there hasn't been faster development of physical accessories for the iPhone is staggering.
post #28 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Yeah, because paying $80 extra and having to carry around extra hardware is so much better than having it built in for the same cost as the base model.

Besides as the uber-fanboy, shouldn't you be encouraging people to wait around until 2040 when Apple finally decides to add HD Radio and wireless syncing to the iPhone and saying how much better Apple's version will be?

p.s., are you another one of Dilger's aliases on this site? Or possibly a clone?

Because HD radio is a significant and popular feature that was worth including in the iPhone in the first place? Nope. It also wasn't just a last minute addition to the Zune during the desperate attempt to make it sellable?

Nooope.
post #29 of 30
I can't believe that Apple was so stupid in opening the door to Bob Struble/iBiquity. Evidentually, Struble is very persuasive and iBiquity is real goog at pressuring. Apple will never get rid of these maggots. HD Radio is a joke, and simply doesn't work, and the FM power increase will just trash our airwaves further. Apple would be REAL stupid to have HD Radio built into its hardware - the HD chipset will eat Apple's products alive. No need for HD Radio, as ANALOG FM has the same tagging capabilities. Apple was atleast smart enough to test with waters with 50 cent analog FM tuners. I can't ever imagine Apple paying iNiquity licensing and chipset fees for iNiquity's POS product:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

No one will buy these $80 HD Radio adaptors from Radio Shack - they will sit there collecting dust like the rest of the HD radios, if there are any still carried by Radio Shack. With streaming Internet Radio stations, who needs crappy terrestrial radio.
post #30 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Because HD radio is a significant and popular feature that was worth including in the iPhone in the first place? Nope. It also wasn't just a last minute addition to the Zune during the desperate attempt to make it sellable?

Nooope.

"New Zune To Include HD Radio"

"Bob Struble, President/CEO of iBiquity Digital Corporation, commented, We are very excited about the launch of HD Radio technology on Microsoft’s Zune HD. We are planning with the HD Radio Alliance to promote Zune HD to consumers."

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=1342290

MS just did it for the free publicity for their dead Zune line, and iBiquity gets to lower its chipset price, as more are produced. iBiquity probably doesn't care if consumers never use their POS products - can one imagine the huge backlog of unsold HD Radio products?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPhone
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › App Store roundup: HD Radio comes to iPhone, 3G VoIP still MIA