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blah blah blather blather

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You are a problem.

A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....
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Corrected- MOST.
Walk into J and R and see for yourself.

Yes. Estimates are about 70%.

But it's been around for quite a while, and as I said earlier, it took five years before more than a few had it.

You're rarely fair in your assessments. Try to be, and give DP, which is really just starting out, a couple of years before you make your definitive statements about failure.
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Which is basically a serial version of DVI, a computer connection standard.




4096×2160 in 1.4



4 cents per device and $10,000 annually per company.




In the end the truth is that its copout. Both DP and HDMI are designed and perfectly capable of doing both.

If you owned a company, which would you choose? The royalty free option, or the one that takes away from your bottom line?
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Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.
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4096×2160 in 1.4

Considering that 1.3 has been out for years, and not every device has it yet, and not all HDMI cables are capable of handling the highest specs of 1.3, are you going to call 1.4 a failure, if when a year from now, only a very few, high end components use it?
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If you owned a company, which would you choose? The royalty free option, or the one that takes away from your bottom line?

The ones that's universally used the most and I'll make the most money off of- in this case HDMI.
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Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.

Your ignorance grows daily.

You don't even know that DP was never an Apple technology.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Yes. Estimates are about 70%.

But it's been around for quite a while, and as I said earlier, it took five years before more than a few had it.

You're rarely fair in your assessments. Try to be, and give DP, which is really just starting out, a couple of years before you make your definitive statements about failure.

It has no sound for crying out loud!
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Not to the naked eye at six feet away which is where the majority of large screen displays will be viewed. Even still, the difference is splitting hairs.

What does the "naked eye" have to do with anything when you need the display's full resolution for desktop screen space? So you think it is better to have only 19200x1080 pixels instead of 2560x1600 pixels on a computer display? I always thought more pixels meant more screen space. What's the point of having them if the display connecter can't support the resolution?

Do you even know what you're arguing?

The point of the mini-DisplayPort was to be able to connect smaller devices to larger displays. mini-HDMI and mini-DVI couldn't handle the bandwidth required. Even on desktop systems it required dual channels to support larger resolution displays. Obviously a new standard was needed to support them.


Funny you lambast Apple for not supporting Blu-Ray. Well that's a counter argument to what you're debating here. If you sit 10+ feet away from your TV set, then why in the hell would you need Blu-Ray over regular DVD? You couldn't possibly notice the difference from your couch!
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post #90 of 255
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Your ignorance grows daily.

You don't even know that DP was never an Apple technology.

I mistyped that and corrected it to miniDP- where have you been?
post #91 of 255
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.

I'm sure it will be, just like they've kicked several technologies to the curb when they outlived their usefulness, even universal technologies like floppy disks.
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What does the "naked eye" have to do with anything when you need the display's full resolution for desktop screen space? So you think it is better to have only 19200x1080 pixels instead of 2560x1600 pixels on a computer display? I always thought more pixels meant more screen space. What's the point of having them if the display connecter can't support the resolution?

Do you even know what you're arguing?

The point of the mini-DisplayPort was to be able to connect smaller devices to larger displays. mini-HDMI and mini-DVI couldn't handle the bandwidth required. Even on desktop systems it required dual channels to support larger resolution displays. Obviously a new standard was needed to support them.


Funny you lambast Apple for not supporting Blu-Ray. Well that's a counter argument to what you're debating here. If you sit 10+ feet away from your TV set, then why in the hell would you need Blu-Ray over regular DVD? You couldn't possibly notice the difference from your couch!

I stated DP is a professional tool not for the consumers which is why the iMac deserves HDMI.

You've obviously never seen a blu-ray as you can, my friend, oh yes you can.
post #93 of 255
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It has no sound for crying out loud!

Actually it does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
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The ones that's universally used the most and I'll make the most money off of- in this case HDMI.

HDMI isn't universally used on a PC. I thought we already covered this earlier on this very page? I doubt that even double digits of folks use HDMI on a PC. I'm betting the video buffs, and those that occasionally hook it up to their TV. Possibly if they buy a monitor that supports it and supplies the cable. Most PC's ship with a DVI connector and cable.

I find it unlikely that folks would just go out and replace a serviceable DVI cable that came with their display or PC, just to try an HDMI connector.
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I'm sure it will be, just like they've kicked several technologies to the curb when they outlived their usefulness, even universal technologies like floppy disks.

And why SD slots just now in 2009? I've been waiting over an hour for your answer???
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And why SD slots just now in 2009? I've been waiting over an hour for your answer???

Well, it was either that or a Blu-ray drive...
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HDMI isn't universally used on a PC. I thought we already covered this earlier on this very page? I doubt that even double digits of folks use HDMI on a PC. I'm betting the video buffs, and those that occasionally hook it up to their TV. Possibly if they buy a monitor that supports it and supplies the cable. Most PC's ship with a DVI connector and cable.

I find it unlikely that folks would just go out and replace a serviceable DVI cable that came with their display or PC, just to try an HDMI connector.

PC laptops a plenty have HDMI to connect easily to the millions of HDTVs and monitors out there which have them and swappable cables allready attached to them.
Do any of you ever leave the Apple store? I mean -really!
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It has no sound for crying out loud!

That's not correct. Why don't you go and read up on this stuff before you post? You, and a few others just post what you THINK is correct much of the time. If you had actual information, much of the arguments would never happen.
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MOST. I am changing it for crying out loud.

You know, if you would just try to be more accurate in your posts ... you might not have to change things. Remember .... it's quicker to get it right the first time, rather than do it over again. But then again .... being right was never your strong point, was it?
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And why SD slots just now in 2009? I've been waiting over an hour for your answer???

The answer to that should be obvious. I use an SD slot about once every few months if I'm looking at some random digital pictures from vacation. You can't buy software on it at your local software store either. No video either..still on DVD and Blu-Ray.

It's a low priority tech that is easily serviced by a USB plugin.
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That's not correct. Why don't you go and read up on this stuff before you post? You, and a few others just post what you THINK is correct much of the time. If you had actual information, much of the arguments would never happen.

No- you're the one misinformed. Is it 7.1?
post #102 of 255
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I mistyped that and corrected it to miniDP- where have you been?

I didn't see the corrected post. If you look at my response, you will see that you said Displayport. Am I supposed to wait to see if you correct all your posts before I respond? If so, I would have to wait forever, because many of your posts need correcting.
post #103 of 255
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The answer to that should be obvious. I use an SD slot about once every few months if I'm looking at some random digital pictures from vacation. You can't buy software on it at your local software store either. No video either..still on DVD and Blu-Ray.

It's a low priority tech that is easily serviced by a USB plugin.

And how exactly is that cutting edge as it been around for ten years. Not to mention the amount of cameras that sync wirelessly now.
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It has no sound for crying out loud!

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No- you're the one misinformed. Is it 7.1?

Is it always necessary for you to change topics when you're proven wrong? (And it can support up to 8 channels btw)
post #105 of 255
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I didn't see the corrected post. If you look at my response, you will see that you said Displayport. Am I supposed to wait to see if you correct all your posts before I respond? If so, I would have to wait forever, because many of your posts need correcting.

It was obvious what I meant.
What's not obvious is how you think Display Port is currently used more than HDMI????????
post #106 of 255
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I stated DP is a professional tool not for the consumers which is why the iMac deserves HDMI.

Nonsense! Are you paying attention to anything here? You seem to be living in a bubble. When ALL ATI 58xx cards have DP outputs, including the cheap ones, how can you say that it's just a professional tool? How about all those $700 Dell computers? There are others as well.
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Don't forget his Paper Tiger dot matrix

Gold!


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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Both DP and HDMI are designed and perfectly capable of doing both.

Then you shouldnt be objecting to the free standard with higher specs that is more future-forward, now should you?


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A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....

I second the motion. I think another time out is in order.


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Considering that 1.3 has been out for years, and not every device has it yet, and not all HDMI cables are capable of handling the highest specs of 1.3, are you going to call 1.4 a failure, if when a year from now, only a very few, high end components use it?

Excellent point.
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And how exactly is that cutting edge as it been around for ten years. Not to mention the amount of cameras that sync wirelessly now.

Funny. I looked in my own post. I don't see anywhere that I called it cutting edge. I think it's a waste of time to discuss, but that's my own opinion. It's a niche technology that can easily be worked around if needed.
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Roll on the Micro and Nana Displayports!!
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A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....

You don't have to worry about TechDud, look at his posts ... he's clearly starting to "lose it". It won't be long now.
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Is it always necessary for you to change topics when you're proven wrong?

It is and it isn't- that's the problem you see. Currently it's not used at all on some devices. And secondly nowhere does it ssupport 7.1.
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You don't have to worry about TechDud, look at his posts ... he's clearly starting to "lose it". It won't be long now.

Right- I'm MAD for HDMI!!!!!

help me - I'm being attacked in the Apple MiniDP matrix!!!
post #113 of 255
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Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.

DisplayPort is not an Apple technology, just the mini-DisplayPort connector.

FireWire wasn't "kicked to the curb" it is mostly used in higher-end or professional applications. It was created in a time when you either had thick, heavy, expensive SCSI cables for high transfer rates, or low bandwidth thinner and cheaper cables. It did what it needed to do and has reached its limits. Unfortunately USB is a poor alternative. Thank god I can still buy FireWire drives.
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And why SD slots just now in 2009? I've been waiting over an hour for your answer???

Shouldn't you be working or something ... you know, instead of monitoring your favorite website?
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A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....

??? Where did you get that quote from?
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Technical specifications:

Audio signal\tOptional; 1-8 channels; 16, or 24-bit linear PCM; 48, 96, or 192 kHz sampling rate; uncompressed; max. 6.144 Mbit/s bit rate

5.184 or 8.64 Gbit/s forward link channel supports high resolution displays with a single cable.†
8b/10b data transmission (up to 2.7 GHz symbol rate, up to four lanes).
Reduced bandwidth transmission for 15 meter cable (at least 1920x1080p60, 24 bpp).
Full bandwidth transmission for 2 meter cable.
Supports color depth of 6, 8, 10, 12 and 16 bits per color component.
Supports YCbCr color space (ITU-R BT.601-5 and BT.709-4), 4:2:2 chroma subsampling
Optional Dual-Mode support generates DVI/HDMI signal with a simple line-level conversion dongle.[14]
128-bit AES DisplayPort Content Protection (DPCP) support, and support for 40-bit High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) from version 1.1 onwards.
Supports internal and external connections so that one standard can be used by computer makers reducing costs.[15]
Open and extensible standard to help with broad adoption.
General and technical overviews can be downloaded at DisplayPort.org.
† Sample data rates required by various display resolutions using common vertical blanking methods, Gbit/s:
Resolution × frame rate × color depth\tNo blanking\tGTF\tCVT\tCVT-RB
1920 × 1080 × 60 Hz × 24 bpp\t2.99\t4.15\t4.15\t3.33
1920 × 1200 × 60 Hz × 30 bpp\t4.15\t5.79\t5.81\t4.62
2560 × 1600 × 60 Hz × 30 bpp\t7.37\t10.44\t10.46\t8.06
Note: bpp is the number of bits for each pixel; for RGB and YCbCr 4:4:4, the bpp value is three times the bits per color component (bpc); for YCbCr 4:2:2 subsampling, the bpp value is twice the bpc value.

It also seems to support pushing DVI and HDMI signals over the cable which is interesting and a good thing for compatibility.
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It is and it isn't- that's the problem you see. Currently it's not used at all on some devices. And secondly nowhere does it ssupport 7.1.

Yeah you're right. This motherboard doesn't exist!

http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?..._motherboard/1

EDIT: Since I know you don't actually like to thoroughly read articles, here's one that states it clearer:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=718
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Shouldn't you be working or something ... you know, instead of monitoring your favorite website?

ok- i get the hint
mangia time anyway
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edit: Pipped by DJRumpy.
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I stated DP is a professional tool not for the consumers which is why the iMac deserves HDMI.

You've obviously never seen a blu-ray as you can, my friend, oh yes you can.

I know you can see the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. You're the one that said if you sit far enough away from a display it doesn't matter what the resolution is.

And in your original statements, which I was responding to, you said nothing about DP being a professional tool...

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HDMI is better- more universal.

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its also lower resolution

Not to the naked eye at six feet away which is where the majority of large screen displays will be viewed. Even still, the difference is splitting hairs.


So basically you're saying resolution on TV images makes a bigger difference and is more important than on computer displays? Even though we sit 10+ feet away from a TV but only a few from a computer display?

You're arguing in circles, which means you don't really know what you're talking about.
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