Apple's Mini DisplayPort officially adopted by VESA - Page 3

In all fairness, when HDTv's are used through the computer DVI input, they don't overscan. At least, not the ones I've used.

The point is really that an HDTV is in the living room, and the computer is usually somewhere else. An HDTV is a family, long distance viewing device, and a computer is a single user, close viewing device.

In addition, the color, contrast, and other viewing features of an HDTV is not intended for computer use, but for viewing consumer entertainment standards.

While I MUST see all the pixel detail from my monitor, I don't need to see all of it on my HDTV. That's another difference.

Sorry, am I reading this wrong? It most certainly has everything to do with the cable. The cable design spec of HDMI has bandwidth limitations before you get signal loss. There are only so many pulses you can send before you get signal loss.

DisplayPort design allows for more bandwidth - i.e. more pusles. It's that simple.

A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....

Yes. Estimates are about 70%.

But it's been around for quite a while, and as I said earlier, it took five years before more than a few had it.

You're rarely fair in your assessments. Try to be, and give DP, which is really just starting out, a couple of years before you make your definitive statements about failure.

If you owned a company, which would you choose? The royalty free option, or the one that takes away from your bottom line?

Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.

Considering that 1.3 has been out for years, and not every device has it yet, and not all HDMI cables are capable of handling the highest specs of 1.3, are you going to call 1.4 a failure, if when a year from now, only a very few, high end components use it?

The ones that's universally used the most and I'll make the most money off of- in this case HDMI.

Your ignorance grows daily.

You don't even know that DP was never an Apple technology.

It has no sound for crying out loud!

What does the "naked eye" have to do with anything when you need the display's full resolution for desktop screen space? So you think it is better to have only 19200x1080 pixels instead of 2560x1600 pixels on a computer display? I always thought more pixels meant more screen space. What's the point of having them if the display connecter can't support the resolution?

Do you even know what you're arguing?

The point of the mini-DisplayPort was to be able to connect smaller devices to larger displays. mini-HDMI and mini-DVI couldn't handle the bandwidth required. Even on desktop systems it required dual channels to support larger resolution displays. Obviously a new standard was needed to support them.


Funny you lambast Apple for not supporting Blu-Ray. Well that's a counter argument to what you're debating here. If you sit 10+ feet away from your TV set, then why in the hell would you need Blu-Ray over regular DVD? You couldn't possibly notice the difference from your couch!

I mistyped that and corrected it to miniDP- where have you been?

I'm sure it will be, just like they've kicked several technologies to the curb when they outlived their usefulness, even universal technologies like floppy disks.

I stated DP is a professional tool not for the consumers which is why the iMac deserves HDMI.

You've obviously never seen a blu-ray as you can, my friend, oh yes you can.

Actually it does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

HDMI isn't universally used on a PC. I thought we already covered this earlier on this very page? I doubt that even double digits of folks use HDMI on a PC. I'm betting the video buffs, and those that occasionally hook it up to their TV. Possibly if they buy a monitor that supports it and supplies the cable. Most PC's ship with a DVI connector and cable.

I find it unlikely that folks would just go out and replace a serviceable DVI cable that came with their display or PC, just to try an HDMI connector.

And why SD slots just now in 2009? I've been waiting over an hour for your answer???

Well, it was either that or a Blu-ray drive...

PC laptops a plenty have HDMI to connect easily to the millions of HDTVs and monitors out there which have them and swappable cables allready attached to them.
Do any of you ever leave the Apple store? I mean -really!

That's not correct. Why don't you go and read up on this stuff before you post? You, and a few others just post what you THINK is correct much of the time. If you had actual information, much of the arguments would never happen.

You know, if you would just try to be more accurate in your posts ... you might not have to change things. Remember .... it's quicker to get it right the first time, rather than do it over again. But then again .... being right was never your strong point, was it?

The answer to that should be obvious. I use an SD slot about once every few months if I'm looking at some random digital pictures from vacation. You can't buy software on it at your local software store either. No video either..still on DVD and Blu-Ray.

It's a low priority tech that is easily serviced by a USB plugin.

No- you're the one misinformed. Is it 7.1?

I didn't see the corrected post. If you look at my response, you will see that you said Displayport. Am I supposed to wait to see if you correct all your posts before I respond? If so, I would have to wait forever, because many of your posts need correcting.

And how exactly is that cutting edge as it been around for ten years. Not to mention the amount of cameras that sync wirelessly now.

Is it always necessary for you to change topics when you're proven wrong? (And it can support up to 8 channels btw)

It was obvious what I meant.
What's not obvious is how you think Display Port is currently used more than HDMI????????

Nonsense! Are you paying attention to anything here? You seem to be living in a bubble. When ALL ATI 58xx cards have DP outputs, including the cheap ones, how can you say that it's just a professional tool? How about all those $700 Dell computers? There are others as well.

Gold!



Then you shouldnt be objecting to the free standard with higher specs that is more future-forward, now should you?



I second the motion. I think another time out is in order.



Excellent point.

Funny. I looked in my own post. I don't see anywhere that I called it cutting edge. I think it's a waste of time to discuss, but that's my own opinion. It's a niche technology that can easily be worked around if needed.

Roll on the Micro and Nana Displayports!!

You don't have to worry about TechDud, look at his posts ... he's clearly starting to "lose it". It won't be long now.

It is and it isn't- that's the problem you see. Currently it's not used at all on some devices. And secondly nowhere does it ssupport 7.1.

Right- I'm MAD for HDMI!!!!!

help me - I'm being attacked in the Apple MiniDP matrix!!!

DisplayPort is not an Apple technology, just the mini-DisplayPort connector.

FireWire wasn't "kicked to the curb" it is mostly used in higher-end or professional applications. It was created in a time when you either had thick, heavy, expensive SCSI cables for high transfer rates, or low bandwidth thinner and cheaper cables. It did what it needed to do and has reached its limits. Unfortunately USB is a poor alternative. Thank god I can still buy FireWire drives.

Shouldn't you be working or something ... you know, instead of monitoring your favorite website?

??? Where did you get that quote from?

Technical specifications:

Audio signal\tOptional; 1-8 channels; 16, or 24-bit linear PCM; 48, 96, or 192 kHz sampling rate; uncompressed; max. 6.144 Mbit/s bit rate

5.184 or 8.64 Gbit/s forward link channel supports high resolution displays with a single cable.†
8b/10b data transmission (up to 2.7 GHz symbol rate, up to four lanes).
Reduced bandwidth transmission for 15 meter cable (at least 1920x1080p60, 24 bpp).
Full bandwidth transmission for 2 meter cable.
Supports color depth of 6, 8, 10, 12 and 16 bits per color component.
Supports YCbCr color space (ITU-R BT.601-5 and BT.709-4), 4:2:2 chroma subsampling
Optional Dual-Mode support generates DVI/HDMI signal with a simple line-level conversion dongle.[14]
128-bit AES DisplayPort Content Protection (DPCP) support, and support for 40-bit High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) from version 1.1 onwards.
Supports internal and external connections so that one standard can be used by computer makers reducing costs.[15]
Open and extensible standard to help with broad adoption.
General and technical overviews can be downloaded at DisplayPort.org.
† Sample data rates required by various display resolutions using common vertical blanking methods, Gbit/s:
Resolution × frame rate × color depth\tNo blanking\tGTF\tCVT\tCVT-RB
1920 × 1080 × 60 Hz × 24 bpp\t2.99\t4.15\t4.15\t3.33
1920 × 1200 × 60 Hz × 30 bpp\t4.15\t5.79\t5.81\t4.62
2560 × 1600 × 60 Hz × 30 bpp\t7.37\t10.44\t10.46\t8.06
Note: bpp is the number of bits for each pixel; for RGB and YCbCr 4:4:4, the bpp value is three times the bits per color component (bpc); for YCbCr 4:2:2 subsampling, the bpp value is twice the bpc value.

It also seems to support pushing DVI and HDMI signals over the cable which is interesting and a good thing for compatibility.

Yeah you're right. This motherboard doesn't exist!

http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?..._motherboard/1

EDIT: Since I know you don't actually like to thoroughly read articles, here's one that states it clearer:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=718

ok- i get the hint
mangia time anyway