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Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post

As opposed to Apple which is a fascist party - all they do is dictate what people can do with their OS (which g can only be put on their glossy-screened, shiny hardware)

OS X? - based on BSD.. bunch of copy-cats! Oh no wait, I forget, Apple is allowed to copy, because Apple spells copy: i-n-n-o-v-a-t-i-o-n

Get over yourselves. MS saw which parts of OS X are effective and employed those - like every other company does. IMHO Win7 window management is better than on OS X, being able to enlarge windows from every corner, and the new Win7 drag-to-extents feature.

Bah, all this GUI stuff is copied from Xerox anyway.

Shows how little you know about history. Apple paid Xerox for the GUI with shares of stock, then innovated it. All Microsoft did was take 10 years to do what Apple did back in 1985.
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That comment is even more pathetic them something your buddy Quadra or Mouse would say. You guys are neck deep in the kool aid.

Not just neck deep - we're ingesting it.....
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Though I have yet to hear of a single XBox suffering from screeching/failing hard drives, exploding batteries, or completely erased partitions... all of which have a far greater impact on a user's productivity than a malfunctioning game console.

What anecdotal evidence you have!

Imagine you never hearing about how Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, Asus all recalled their batteries for the same reason that Apple did: Because Sony made them!

Or how that scratchy HDD was Seagate's fault and others suffered the same issues!

Completely erased partitions? Oh, right, never happened to anybody but OSX users, who don't even use 80s style partitions!

Hate to break it to you, but wintards like you are vastly outnumbered here, so save your stupid myths for retarded sites!
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That comment is even more pathetic them something your buddy Quadra or Mouse would say. You guys are neck deep in the kool aid.

Oh, skeeter, just how did you get to be such an angry, bitter person? You haven't managed to make a post in days that wasn't just dripping with hate, resentment and jealousy. Maybe you should run along and play with your themes, it might soothe you.
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Originally Posted by technohermit View Post

But they did improve on that stuff, if you've bothered to try it, or at least read some reviews from people who have actually tried it. The stuff MS has "stolen", they have also improved upon.

Yeah I too feel guilty for not reading the paid ads aka review of windows, or that I didn't give a try to the new version crappy software that has taken 15 or so years of my life with crashes, bugs, viruses, bad design, and above all complete and utter impossibility of using the system for more than 20% of the time (the other 80% you are servicing it) to get some actual productive work done.

I feel so guilty that since I switched to apple three years ago (and that includes the iphone) I can actually get my work done and my digital life organized in an intuitive, effective, beautiful looking, and highly productive way.

I feel so guilty for not checking windows 7, for not giving one single toss about microsoft's garbage and actually using my computer instead to enrich and enable my daily life.

But in honesty now, I feel such a damn fool that I didn't switch to apple earlier on, because of all the blah blah of the idiot pc zealots and the sheer lying and b**ing of apple on their price, incompatibility and all the other garbage thrown at apple.

Now when I want to change a setting I just spotlight or search setting instead of ploughing through inane menus and submenus. I have set beautiful icons for my folders that I can quickly and intuitively access. I have arranged my work and digital life there and I can spotlight and find anything in a flash, be it music, pictures, receipts, university papers, books, research, spreadsheets. I can set spaces to keep things separate, hot corners to fastly access functions, expose, multi gestures. I have full drive encryption in file vault and super easy way to make encrypted images for my sensitive data. I now have an app on the iphone with 3DES syncing to my computer.

I have super community support by intelligent people for a change via apple or the user forums, and extra fast updates from apple for any mishap. I have the best music player in the world in itunes that I have only recently realized its huge potential, I have my radio, my beloved podcasts, my huge music library there. I have great open source software from the community that fits in perfectly with apple's interface and I have the option of some fantastic commercial programs that untie my hands. In what is one of my most loved pieces of software, super duper, I can clone my whole hd in a flash and tranfer it as is to any mac, or boot from it, I can update it in a flahsh, I can just choose to take a system clone only. And of course I ve got the best backup in the bussiness in time machine and the easiest most intuitive way to do it in the time capsule. I dont have an antivirus and antimalware bogging my system. (I can go on ad infinitum in this list...but I ll stop)

All these integrate perfectly with my touch and iphone in a seamless way (that could of course improve and I am sure it will).

Recently too, I have got the best cloud service on the planet (after a slow start that apple was generous to admit and compensate ALL users with free months usage) to integrate all my digital life and sync it all together so I am not tied to a single desktop. I can easily share with anyone almost any file size I want...and like I said all that ties in seamlessly by the best mobile platform on the globe, the one where the most innovation and applications happen, the smartest mobile computer in the iphone. And soon this will integrate with the tablet, which will be a revolution so big I wont even go into. I know I am not the super cutting edge with my hardware with apple (like some 0.00001 of the population dealing in experimental projects might be) but I also know that I am on the consumer cutting edge, that whatever new innovation appears I will get it faster than anyone on any other system, and above all much better implemented and completely functional. I will have wifi earlier than anyone else, I will have air tunes and streaming to my stereo earlier than anyone else, a proper digital media store and player earlier than anyone else, intuitive whole computer search earlier than anyone else, the thinnest laptop earlier than anyone else, the best most intuitive wifi backup and server storage station in the time capsule earlier than anyone else, the smallest most practical mini computer and home theatre center than anyone else, the best mobile platform earlier than anyone else, and better than anyone else. A 27 led computer, earlier and cheaper than anyone else, when everyone else will be dishing out the same money for a mere 27 inch monitor.

I, and other switchers reap these benefits.

AND YOU HAVE THE GALL TO ASK US WHY THE F. DIDN'T WE CHECK OUT WINDOWS 7 OR READ THE REVIEWS????? Windows 7 is the thing we care less than anything in the globe. After years and years of torture...
post #166 of 214
This is considered news?
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snort.

Actually, I had a run of over a year without a BSOD at work. Then 4 in the last two days. Acrobat 9 is the common denominator, but an application should not bring down the whole system, etc, etc.

I've only had 10.6 for two weeks, but so far so good. I skipped Leopard, so the learning curve has been steeper than usual. But not too bad so far.
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Yeah I know
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

When it looked to redesign its dominant operating system after the struggles of Windows Vista, Microsoft reportedly turned to Apple's Mac OS X for the "look and feel" of Windows 7.

Well, one word for the outcome: fail. I've evaluated Windows 7. It ain't no MacOS. Not even close. Maybe they added some pretty farkles to the beast, but it's still a beast. For example -- I needed to set the workgroup. In MacOS, just pop into Preferences and there's only two places it could be -- in Networking or in File Sharing. Turns out it's in Networking. In Windows 7.... AGH! You will literally be clicking around for an HOUR trying to find that bloody setting unless you give up and type into the Control Panel search window, "change workgroup". That'll take you right where you need to be, but it's buried like four levels deep in Control panel sub-sub-sub menus.

And the whole friggin' OS is like that. I'm not a Windows simpleton -- see this article about using the 'reg' command, for example -- but Windows 7 keeps all the nasty parts of the Windows OS (like the Registry, which has horrifically primitive tools to deal with searching, querying, and modifying it, unlike the filesystem or real databases), and just layers sugar coating feet deep on top of it. I can't yet evaluate the native performance because Apple hasn't released native Boot Camp drivers yet for Windows 7, but under VMware 3 it runs like a dog even if you turn off all the effects (and that's another beef, why isn't there a simple setting to say "turn off all effects"? Instead, you end up on a search-and-click mission that takes you on a tour of the Control Panel, hitting the graphics section, accessibility, etc.), while Windows XP and Red Hat Linux run quite speedily under VMware (you can tell you're running under virtualization but it's quite acceptable).

In short, they've managed to maybe make it look sorta like MacOS, but you can polish a turd all you want, but in the end, it's still a turd.
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AND YOU HAVE THE GALL TO ASK US WHY THE F. DIDN'T WE CHECK OUT WINDOWS 7 OR READ THE REVIEWS????? Windows 7 is the thing we care less than anything in the globe. After years and years of torture...

No, you're incorrect unfortunately...I didn't ask.

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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

because of all the blah blah of the idiot pc zealots and the sheer lying and b**ing of apple on their price, incompatibility and all the other garbage thrown at apple.

You can come on over and switch to OS X, sure...and turn around and follow the same pattern. Keep yourself in the dark, only follow what's right in front of your face. Being the sheep when the shepherds are idiots doesn't bode well for your IQ.
Bash Windows because right now you're not using it, and don't bother to read anything about it. But make sure you defend people who post bad things today about what shortcomings might have been true 5 years ago.


Time Machine, by the by, failed me miserably on my second backup attempt. It has since been turned off and I'm using iBackup. Firewire connected hard drive, too. It's a shame sometimes things just don't work the way you want them to.
post #171 of 214
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

As opposed to VESA mounting an iMac which serves absolutely no purpose as you can't run a Blu-ray or PS3 on it- or anything else on it with HDMI for that matter. ANd then it's too far away to use as a work station hung up on a wall. And MS makes no sense?

kiddo - HDMI/HDCP is explicitly designed to limit what your media device or computer can output - to enforce the big media co's DRM! it doesn't empower you, it imprisons you! the "flag" activating those controls has never been turned on yet (they are afraid of the backlash), but it is there, ready and waiting. get a clue. the last place you want it is inside your computer. on some peripheral like AppleTV, then it's sandboxed and ok. Apple is very wise to avoid incorporating it in the Mac OS.

of course MS embraces and implements all forms of DRM wholeheartedly, to monetize someday everything, or as much as they can. you suckers are lambs headed to the slaughter.
post #172 of 214
"Microsoft official admits Windows 7 design inspired by Mac OS X"

As if we didn't notice.
post #173 of 214
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Conversely...

Apple's practice of placing their hardware on almost complete 'Lock Down' simply provides a Limiting Experience for many users.

My Macs are a lot of things, but 'open' is certainly NOT one of them, and that's why 90% of the time I use one of my Win/Linux-based computers.

right, it's just terrible the way Boot Camp with its optimized drivers (or Parallels etc) lets you run Windows 7 and/or Linux all on just one Mac instead of your half dozen computers! even together at the same time on the same desktop!! and yes even drag and drop between them!!! oh the horrible savage Mac lock down cruelty!!!!

you must be glad MS forgot to copy this in wide-open Windows 7!
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Originally Posted by rorybalmer View Post

I really agree with this comment..

There is never gonna be another Led Zeppelin, all you can do is just rip them off.

Steve Jobs has whole heartedly said in a number of interviews that todays apple wouldn't exist without Bill Gates.

True. It's really this simple. Each helped the other BUT one is from an engineering POV the other an artist. Macs, in a way, work the way you would think they should, to some degree that is if you had say used a computer once or twice. Problem is Steve has forgotten all the artists ornhas been extremly hard in them while focusing most of thier attention on consumer electronics and not building the machine that is powerful, without gotchas, strong, fast and priced within reason. Apple still has a huge GAO between the iMac and Mac Pro that one day needs to be addressed. No Steve. You won't lose millions of pro sales if you build mid range high end gpu esata express headless macs. Apple will make more money not less.


Again case in point: Avid/Dugudesign. Owns Avid. Most shows ate down on Avid. Fcp is making some small headway. Friend if mine, foley fx manager for "No Country For Old Med" did a lot of it on FCP. anyway Avid saw computers were getting faster and people no longer needed ro tools TDM cards to off load the processing. And with 16 cores soon. Wow anyway, they bought MAudio which relies all on native FSB CLU GPU FPU processing. Today you can walk around with a 24 track studio in your bacpack. Would have cost $50,000 just 10 years ago if not more.
Apple needs to get it and I don't think they will until Steve steps down. I was right about Aple using intel when everyone said no way. Trust me. It's going to happen. The mac Pro will be 64 core machines and there wil be 8/16 core midrange, user friendly as in you can buy your own graphic card, boxes one day.
post #175 of 214
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Ahhhh...

But the difference is that one can very easily modify/alter the appearance of almost ANY element of Windows, as opposed to the Mac OS which offers very little by way of 'customization' (of any sort).

Macs are little more than computing appliances, ones that cater to the absolute lowest common denominator of user e.g. those who want every aspect of their computing experience decided for them.

Me, I prefer a bit more involvement...

if you want to customize Mac Finder options or desktop/dock elements, themes, etc. there is plenty of good shareware available to do that. just go get some and use it! it's easy to find and use.

or if you want more advanced control, learn to use the Mac OS Terminal to do these things yourself via Unix commands. oh - but that would be "involvement" in "'customization' (of any sort)" - wouldn't it? ooops.

guess you're glad that is another thing MS forgot to copy in Windows 7.
post #176 of 214
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

right, it's just terrible the way Boot Camp ...

Uhm, that's software. The dude was talking about hardware. And yes, Apple locks down their hardware. In a Windows or Linux box you can change network cards, graphics cards, upgrade your processor to a faster one, add a hardware RAID controller or just a controller for lots of SATA ports for doing software RAID, and so on and so forth. You can't do that on any Apple hardware other than the Mac Pro, and the Mac Pro only supports a very limited number of Apple-certified or Apple-built devices.

The Apple approach lets them build a very reliable hardware/software combination since it doesn't have to deal with the driver nightmare that faces Linux developers, where a vendor comes out with a new rev of their graphics hardware that happens to need one bit toggled different under very limited conditions and if you don't toggle that bit at exactly the right time and place, it locks up the whole PCI-X bus and takes down your system (since your disk I/O subsystem is dead too at that point). But it does mean that you don't upgrade an Apple -- you sell it to someone upgrading from an even older Apple, and then buy a new one. Which as far as Apple is concerned is all fine and good, but those of us with more technical chops definitely notice the difference, and put up with it only because Macs and the Mac OS just plain *work* without any fuss, muss, or headaches. I develop Linux drivers and software all day long. I don't want to fight with the hardware and software on my development workstation when all I want to do is edit my bloody source file and export it on NFS to the Linux compile farm that compiles it for various Linux distributions. Both Linux and Windows just are too bloody FIDDLY when all I want to do is get work done...
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Neither of these are "better" it's just your preference.

It's certainly better for the use case I described. It takes less clicks to open an application with the desired document. If the amount of clicks is the criteria than Windows 7 has the superior implementation of the same concept.

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Opening a document in Mac OS X that you were working on is easier for me because I have quicker access to my documents from the Documents stack which is a a navigable "jump-list" of the all my documents.

I guess it really depends if you organize your documents in a flat hierarchy () but navigating several levels of folders until one does find the desired document is anything but quick.

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The visual indicator for what windows are open with which application is called "pause-click" and is also right on the dock.

I don't understand what you are saying. The dock does not visually differentiate whether one or more windows are open and so especially minimized windows do not have a visual representation.

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Whatever works for you is fine, but overall Mac OS X is better IMO. More logical, more consistent, easier and faster to get at things etc.

Standard Disciple of his Jobness disclaimer. \ Does Apple actually provide these text modules somewhere?
post #178 of 214
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Originally Posted by badtux View Post

Uhm, that's software. The dude was talking about hardware. And yes, Apple locks down their hardware. In a Windows or Linux box you can change network cards, graphics cards, upgrade your processor to a faster one, add a hardware RAID controller or just a controller for lots of SATA ports for doing software RAID, and so on and so forth. You can't do that on any Apple hardware other than the Mac Pro, and the Mac Pro only supports a very limited number of Apple-certified or Apple-built devices.

nah, go back and look at post #82 in full and the other posts down there by DaHarder, everyone is talking about the OS one way or another. this whole article/thread is about the OS's unless i missed one among the five pages.
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It's certainly better for the use case I described. It takes less clicks to open an application with the desired document. If the amount of clicks is the criteria than Windows 7 has the superior implementation of the same concept.



I guess it really depends if you organize your documents in a flat hierarchy () but navigating several levels of folders until one does find the desired document is anything but quick.

You still "drill down in folders"?

Whether in Windows (any version) or on the Mac, I always use an indexing tool of some sort. On the Mac, I use LaunchBar (someone else mentioned it above... it's GREAT!), where as even Spotlight, either in the Taskbar or in every Open/Save dialog is sufficient for most people. Another must have utility on the Mac is DefaultFolder. I've been using it since the early 90's.

Regardless, drilling down in folders is quite primitive in my mind, and very time wasting.

FYI: On Windows, try Launchy or Colibri.
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post #180 of 214
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

But in honesty now, I feel such a damn fool that I didn't switch to apple earlier on, because of all the blah blah of the idiot pc zealots and the sheer lying and b**ing of apple on their price, incompatibility and all the other garbage thrown at apple.

I feel the same way.

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AND YOU HAVE THE GALL TO ASK US WHY THE F. DIDN'T WE CHECK OUT WINDOWS 7 OR READ THE REVIEWS????? Windows 7 is the thing we care less than anything in the globe. After years and years of torture...

Now that Siemens has NX for the Mac platform, there is nothing the Windows platforms can offer me, except misery.

Microsoft copied the "look and feel" of OSX? How about they "steal" other good Apple ideas, like having applications as package/folders instead of allowing developers to dump their files all over the place willy-nilly. There are software packages on WIndows that literally s**t files everywhere. In WINDOWS, WINDOWS\\SYSTEM32, it's home directory, a user's My Documents. Everywhere. DLL files everywhere. It would also help avoid the problem of DLL files accidentally getting moved and breaking programs totally. On a Mac, DLL files are packaged and structured, not just hidden with a default show/hide option.

It's file chaos in Windows...

People are raving about the Windows GUI, like children with a new toy, but the problem with Windows is that this GUI that's so good is still the front-end to something rather badly written and nasty. That, having the operating system and applications organized better, should be Microsoft's priority but I think the NT kernel is beyond the point of salvation.

Windows is just plain awful under the hood. No matter how much perfume you slap over a turd, it's still a turd.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post

You still "drill down in folders"?

Actually, I don't as I'm mostly working with the keyboard which is usually far more efficient but that's beside the point. My argument is that for people who work primarily with the mouse the Windows jump lists provide a quicker access to recently used documents than the OS X implementation.

And even Spotlight/Windows search is not always a remedy to the problem as sometimes the documents you search are not in the loaded index (i.e. you wait up to 10 seconds and more until the indexing service finds the document) or you get dozens of hits because the keywords you entered unfortunately are present in dozens of documents and than the search refinement game starts (which words to enter to narrow down the result set).
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

You must be a special type pf person if you think that the sole input will ever be by touchscreen on any computer. painful injury, lol.

No more "special" than you - I'm just a normal human being whose arm and shoulder will get tired and sore from repeatedly reaching up to the screen. Why, what are you - Robocop? Have you ever had a shoulder injury, or the same pinched nerve that I have? Like I said, painful.

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the failure of tablet PC's is that they used to be too expensive for the general public to purcahse.

They also had little or no use. They have more these days, but other than the kitchen computer (as invented by Microsoft, see Windows XP packaging), I fail to see what for outside of vertical markets.


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Here you answered you own questions -now live in it:

What? If you can't give the definitions to your own terms that I asked for, just say so. But in future perhaps you should think about being able to back up your soundbites, in case anyone else asks for a definition.

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You're not getting the whole web experience when the web uses flash.

Ahh, ye olde "web experience" argument, you sound like an advertisement for IE. The last time I used Flash for anything substantial (other than uploading pictures with PhotoBucket) was when I was throwing shoes at George Bush - and that's pretty much all Flash is good for. Any sites based on Flash rarely do anything that can't be accomplished without it. "Whole web experience" -

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You are under Apple's control and you embrace it which is the sad thing and berate the other 90% of its users.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

1. Flash is made by Adobe, and is not under Apples control.
2. I have Flash installed, for the five times a year I actually need it - once again, not under Apples control. Exactly how am I under Apples control? Ahh, don't bother - we already know you can't back up your soundbites with any kind of fact.

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You can go back to your Apple drip now- red I presume as green is owned by the Beatles.

Whatever. Trying to follow your line of reasoning is like herding cats, only less fun.
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I just got back - I had an extremely difficult problem to solve at the office.

Your PC down again?
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Haven't you heard... Apple supporters don't want choices.

Apple supporters and users have already MADE a choice - which is apparently what the masses - such as yourself - don't seem to like. Don't like my choice of computer? Cry me a river.


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Oh...

Like the content afforded via the exponentially larger number of (quality) applications available for the Windows platform versus the Mac?

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. It's also more important than quantity.
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Originally Posted by rorybalmer View Post

I really think political comparisons like this are pretty lame.. it kind of says "I don't actually know anything about fascism, I just call anything I don't like a facist".

You see the big difference here is if you don't like what apple offers you, you can just not buy it! You have a "CHOICE".. thats called democracy.

Democracy and free market capitalism are not synonymous. One is a political structure, the other is an economic model.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

That's fine as there will always be those who prefer the more utilitarian/mundane to that offering other attributes (customization/infinitely greater software selection/BluRay player-recorders/ etc.).


If you're so happy with your PC, good for you, but the thing Is .... why do you and others like you spend so much time on an Apple fan site trying to justify your decision to us? Talk about "penis envy"...... sounds to me like you people have it in spades. \
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

cos they are as comparable as two computers using the same GPU, same CPU, same memory, same HDD, etc...

perhaps Rosebud steakhouse is blending mcdonalds nad serving it in a fancy aluminium enclosure?


And perhaps you don't know your a**hole from your elbow. You want to check out the "true value" of a retail product? .... go to the used/second hand marketplace, see what consumers say with their $$$ as to which computer "holds its value" ..... Invariably Macs retain more of their value, over a longer period of time, day in and day out than any PC. ..... funny isn't it when, according to you, they all use the same hardware pieces.
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Originally Posted by patrickwalker View Post

It's file chaos in Windows...

People are raving about the Windows GUI, like children with a new toy, but the problem with Windows is that this GUI that's so good is still the front-end to something rather badly written and nasty. That, having the operating system and applications organized better, should be Microsoft's priority but I think the NT kernel is beyond the point of salvation.

Windows is just plain awful under the hood. No matter how much perfume you slap over a turd, it's still a turd.

That's pretty much the point, isn't it? As far as I can tell, Win7 is suggesting very hard that you limit your involvement in the file system to Users\\<Username>. It makes complete sense. If you're using the computer to manage your files, then why are you going to put files elsewhere? The rest of the house shouldn't really be any of the users concern.

Here's a shocker: OS X is predicated on you doing the same thing. Because it's a good idea.

To turn to your point about the GUI, then. It doesn't matter what's going on underneath as long as the operator can get done what he or she needs to do. I am not a developer or a tech nerd which puts me squarely in the significant proportion of the population who coulld care less about any of that.

To go back to another post, where someone wanted to set the workgroup, all he had to do was press the Windows key, type 'workgroup', and it would have been the very first suggestion offered him.

I migrated my desktop from windows XP to Win 7 and I like what I see. My macbook, which has been the mainstay of my computing experience since 2006 has hardly been used since I installed 7. It's hardly clown homocide as Quadra asserts: all windows have a consistent appearance, except iTunes of all things. At any rate, if I don't like it, I'm not stuck with it. With OS X, with out third party apps, you get grey, grey, or grey. As long as it's grey. Win7 is fast, doesn't crash: the native window management tools are something that Apple could take a leaf from. The Zoom button is the most ridiculous UI paradigm out there, in the absence of a separate maximise button.

The blinkered view that win7 is crap is just that: blinkered. A gracious admission that the windows team improved elements of the UI that apple pioneered is flattery, just as much as it is a reason for scorn.
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Apple OS will continue to sink and Win will continue to get better... because MSFT eats, sleeps, breathes OPERATING SYSTEM - they are a software computer company first and foremost..

And yet they still "managed" to come out with Vista after how many years of eating, sleeping and breathing OPERATING SYSTEMS! Brilliant!
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If you're so happy with your PC, good for you, but the thing Is .... why do you and others like you spend so much time on an Apple fan site trying to justify your decision to us? Talk about "penis envy"...... sounds to me like you people have it in spades. \

Presume Much?

Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.

It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Oh...

Like the content afforded via the exponentially larger number of (quality) applications available for the Windows platform versus the Mac?


Since a Mac "does" windows, anything you can run on a PC you can run on a Mac. Can the PC run a Mac program ? No? .... Sorry! Oh Well.
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post #193 of 214
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Presume Much?

Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.

It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.

When I was young I was told ...."believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see".

What I "hear" is your "working with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally."

What I "see," when I look at the majority of your posts, is a distinct bias against Mac ... so again I have to wonder .... why do you even bother spending time on a Mac fan site ... bashing Apple? What is your agenda ?.... just askin'
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post #194 of 214
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Originally Posted by patrickwalker View Post

Microsoft is now denying it all.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/win...windows-7.aspx



It's hilarious. Too late. Cat's outta the bag.
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

20hrs? perhaps your company should hire a competent worker?

They did, me. This is why they have a developer they are paying over 100k doing something that ITS normally does. Setting up our development and build environment on Windows 7 was one of those "frontier" tasks. After I do it successfully, then others will follow in my footsteps.

Installing windows is a trivial task, it's putting all those other MS products, like SQL server, Visual Studio etc. that apparently have known issues in Win7 etc is hard, and of course figuring out compiler changes and how to make stuff compile the first time.

But this is nothing to do with Microsoft strictly. It's our own problem. I was just pointing out in my original post, how the user experience in Windows hasn't really changed.

While I was doing all this, I had installed a few dozen applications and for each install I had run into issues that needed resolving the usual way (google, see what others have done etc).

Of course with each new release of Windows they have to move key files around just to mess with you and make you feel like something is different and that you have a "new" operating system.

But you still have the registry mess, that I had to poke through, you still have disorganized start menu, you still have the typical usability issues that have been there since early 90s. Nothing is really changed.

If MS thinks aero peek and windows that animate into place is aiding usability then they don't even understand the concept. Usability is all about managing and hiding complexity. But MS is afraid to make a simple OS it seems.

And the whole fiasco with 64 bit transition, where it's not apparent from inspecting the installer app if it will install 64 bit or 32 bit version or both, and if either is going to work, and the fact that there are 2 program files, one is supposed to be for 64 bit apps, the other for 32 bit, but various MS installers install things almost randomly in either, the fact that registry now has "windows on windows" entry where some old keys have migrated etc, doesn't make it simple either.

It was just a moment of personal revelation. I heard all the hype how Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread and how it's OS X killer (when it comes to usability) so I reset my expectations only to find old Windows cruft and wonder what the hell are the kids raving about windows 7 smoking these days (apparently they need to learn on their own skin and can't just take the advice of their parents).

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Think about it.

He just admitted the competition is "fantastic." I don't know about you, but he just did Apple's marketing for them. And he was asked about Windows 7, not Apple. If that weren't bad enough, he also admitted that they tried to "create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."

Double-whammy. He basically admitted that MS are ripoff artists. Way to feed in to the classic MS stereotypes, which apparently have been true all along.

It seems that every time an MS employee speaks (especially Ballmer - the CEO, even more scary), they make Apple look great. Even the Laptop Hunter ads admitted subtly that Macs were the most desirable product.

"What weve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."

So then WTH is the point of Windows 7 when you can get the Real Thing with a Mac??


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And perhaps you don't know your a**hole from your elbow. You want to check out the "true value" of a retail product? .... go to the used/second hand marketplace, see what consumers say with their $$$ as to which computer "holds its value" ..... Invariably Macs retain more of their value, over a longer period of time, day in and day out than any PC. ..... funny isn't it when, according to you, they all use the same hardware pieces.

some old models of ipod still in the box sell for more than when they first appeared

This is a very smart move by MS
they are attaching them selves to apples rising star.
except vista is still crap bloated code
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Art & architecture are open source and anyone can borrow from anyone else

However, having an R&D department that spends billions and in the end they have to mimic the competition is embarrassing

Yeah just like the car industry right... all those billions invested each yeah and darn they still follow the same concept that works really well.

You confusing the underlying technology where the investment goes with usability big time. Vista Tech wise was very very very good, same cannot be said about the interface.
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Its good to see you guys are still contacting each other on twitter to come help each other out. Hate and resentment? Dude you need to turn that finger around and point it at yourself.

By the way that bitter taste is from you and your buddy Quadra sharing the same cup of koolaid.

It's interesting how an inferiority complex and narcissism can coexist in a person, I'll bet yours is a very intriguing case history. Don't bother looking for our tweets about you, they're encoded!
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Dude don't be so hard on yourself. I think with a little bit of therapy and some medication you can work through all those issues. I have total faith in you.

Ask yourself, as so many others have asked you, why are you logging on to an Apple focused site, spewing venom about Apple and Apple users? I understand you're in denial, lacking in self awareness, you're very clearly a extremely miserable person. Of the many posters who come here to 'troll' few exhibit the degree of outright, and very personal, hostility that you do. (They bash Apple, say Mac OS sucks, blah blah blah, but there's not typically the very personal personal sense of rage that you display.) You can try to put a bold face on it and pretend to laugh it off, but you really do have some serious issues you need to address.
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