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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

If your going to quote someone you either have to quote everything or nothing. Anything in the middle is called lying.

Seriously?! You might want to look up the definition of the word "Quote" and while at it look at the definition of every word in that definition
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

Kind of like people here who endlessly bash Windows using the same tired soundbites?

If only they weren't true/justified/so useful because MS (and its dumb emplyees) make it so easy.

Don't get all angry at us when MS provides the material.
post #43 of 214
If you're going to steal the "look and feel", then go ahead and do it. They only did it in bits and drabs. Windows 7 is still pretty garish. They need to tone it down some. I find the MacOS interface much more elegant and refined. It's less "in your face". Aero windows especially is an eye sore.
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It matters not, what some guy at Microsoft says about Apple or anything else. Some people would have you believe that comments from managers at Microsoft would have some influence, but they have zero influence really.

Both Windows 7 and OS X are very good pieces of software. But one big thing MS lacks and that they will never really have is the total computing experience. Apple builds the hardware, the operating system and many of the applications for a total user experience.

When one compares apples to apples (no pun intended), on balance, Apple comes out ahead. Yes, even with price considerations which are mostly fabricated. True, Apples does not play in the $400 PC market, but they don't have to. But Apple has sold millions of devices at the $400 price point, just not a PC.

The market shows the truth here ... Apple is firing on all cylinders and is focused. MS on the other hand seems to have been distracted for years and several cylinders have misfired.

I am very happy with my Apple experience, having switched 2 years ago from Wintel PCs. OS X has been incredibly stable compared to my Windows experience. Installing software is a complete breeze compared to MS installations; just one of many areas where Apple excels.

You left out one big missing item.
You have much more flexibility and freedom using Windows. You're not locked into anybody's control. Flash even works. More games- are there any MAC games?
The flip side is more suceptibilty to viruses.

Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Simon Aldous, partner group manager with Microsoft: "...it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.".

Oh c'mon Mr. Aldous, although I am a Vista user, the notion that Windows is more stable than OS X is funny. You silly silly guy!
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apparently Microsoft was even more inspired by open-source KDE.
Apple also adopted KDE's KHTML, which got subsequently renamed to WebKit.
People don't even notice that it's KDE:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/soft...9294810,00.htm


And thanks to Apple it became something worth using, because KHTML in KDE 4.3 STILL SUCKS.

KDE keeps on saying they will go to webkit, but still hasn't. In the meantime, epiphany has and just like every other webkit browser, is smokin' fast.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

If only they weren't true/justified/so useful because MS (and its dumb emplyees) make it so easy.

Don't get all angry at us when MS provides the material.

+1 and more
post #48 of 214
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

If you're going to steal the "look and feel", then go ahead and do it. They only did it in bits and drabs. Windows 7 is still pretty garish. They need to tone it down some. I find the MacOS interface much more elegant and refined. It's less "in your face". Aero windows especially is an eye sore.

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.
post #49 of 214
When several products become more similar, doesn't the original product become more like a commodity?

The release of Windows 7 will force Apple to lower their prices. That is good for us.
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Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?

Apparently MS thinks gorilla-arm is somehow cool.
post #51 of 214
I knew I liked Windows 7 for some reason and here you go.

I'm willing to bet 10.7 will be out by the end of 2010. Apple would have pulled an amazing feat off if they do release a feature rich update in a little more than a year after 10.6 was released.

At this point I'm not sure what more I'd need in that new OS that couldn't be tacked onto the existing 10.6 (blu-ray support, atom support again, etc). It'll be interesting what they come up with.
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"One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use," Aldous said. "What weve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."



More stable? Is that supposed to be a joke?
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I would quote his statement in the next keynote if I were SJ

Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

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post #54 of 214
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Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

MICROSOFT IS DEAD. AND SO IS DELL.

Always a pleasure, br . . .

See you've found your way over from MR. About time, too.
post #55 of 214
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

At least Win7's graphical interface is consistent, unlike SL, which contains myriads of leftover graphical elements from previous versions. Aqua, anyone? Frankly, I find OS X's style to be boring and dull, grey grey and more grey. Yawn. That was so Windows 2000 for me. Using Win7 on my friends' machines, I find the Aero glass to be quite nice, and muted (its semi-frosted I guess you could call it). You must have used the Hotdog Stand theme. A shame.
post #56 of 214
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Originally Posted by likelihood View Post

apparently Microsoft was even more inspired by open-source KDE.
Apple also adopted KDE's KHTML, which got subsequently renamed to WebKit.
People don't even notice that it's KDE:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/soft...9294810,00.htm

Why would they when that fork has been completely removed and WebKit is millions of new lines of code?
post #57 of 214
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

You left out one big missing item.
You have much more flexibility and freedom using Windows. You're not locked into anybody's control. Flash even works. More games- are there any MAC games?
The flip side is more suceptibilty to viruses.

Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?

Never thought of OSX as being as locked down as the iphone, please clarify.

Oh, I don't think anyone wouldn't buy a mac due to flash, seriously.

Games? Yep, DirectX got us there.

While no Mac is sold with a touch screen, there isn't really any need for it. It's a desktop; Microsoft is trying to be cool and put multi touch where it isn't necessary, which again is what they do all along, solve problems that don't exist.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

post #59 of 214
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Originally Posted by DCno10 View Post

"We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

Honest, but still delusional.

Well what he SHOULD have zero'd in on is the totally pathetic decades old file system that SL ships with when compared to the far more advanced FS that Windows enjoys. Gee, did my anger at Apple pulling the plug on ZFS show too much with that comment?
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post #60 of 214
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

Dude, this is the best thing I have read all day.

Funny cos it's true
post #61 of 214
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Actually if you read what he was saying he was trying to point out that while Windows 7 has the look of OSX its far more stable. However if you have used Windows 7 you would know it actually doesn't look like OSX at all. It has far more of a Linux look.

.... Ummm a 'Linux Look' you say?!?

What does linux look like when compared with KDE or GNOME or XWINDOWS? I quite curious to hear your reply...
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post #62 of 214
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"One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use," Aldous said. "What we’ve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

He's just giving people what they told him- just like Steve Jobs says people told him the Touch is a gaming device. He's sees the numbers defecting that's all- and he's trying to stop it- can you blame him.
Besides the people have built Windows7- haven't you seen those shiny, happy people commercials?
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Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

MICROSOFT IS DEAD. AND SO IS DELL.

90% Dead or ALIVE???
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Apparently MS thinks gorilla-arm is somehow cool.

Do you want to kill me with laughter?

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90% Dead or ALIVE???

He's not talking about marketshare, but about future vision, quality and mindshare.

Which of us is the fisherman and which the trout?

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post #66 of 214
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Originally Posted by Erunno View Post

I've experienced both kernel panics on 10.6 as well as total freezes on Windows 7 so from my subjective point of view they are both equally guilty. Microsoft in fact *does* have the more modern graphic stack with drivers running in user space which allows for recoverable driver crashes, updating without reboot and switching graphic cards without logging out first (which I really expected to make a debut in 10.6 which it didn't to my disappointment).

To be correct. Kernal Panics are rarely caused by the OS on a Mac. Most Kernal Panics are hardware related. Meaning something is broken, unplug in the middle of use or sometimes not found on boot. It's rare to see the KP read back a SW based KP.
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But then Microsoft claims their product is a result of their innovation, and that everything good about it is 100% because of Microsoft.

I wouldn't care about what Microsoft claims, except that too many other people believe and reward them for it.

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big deal
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MS has become a copy to catch up company. challenge is copiers usually fail as they cant innovate to differentiate.

copy the OSX UI. copy the ipod with the Zune (how many Zune HD's are selling? havent heard much about that.

Copy and steal apple employees and open stores right next to apple?

copy the iphone with windows mobile 6.5 professional for business - er it still uses a stylus...

you can see Balmer screaming about how to build a tablet but they cant yet because they havent seen Apples.

i bet they come out with a MS touch mouse at some point in the future

thing is they cant manage the experience you get with apple. Dell blames all problems on MS and MS blames it on dell.
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We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.


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I have 3 Macs and numerous PCs, and I simply don't see the resemblance between the two operating systems:

My Macs are extremely (Apple) austere, flat and somewhat boring, whereas my Win 7 computers show exponentially more visual flare, all while providing much more information/functionality/customization.

Oh Well, they both work well for their given tasks, and that's really what matters.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

So then WTH is the point of Windows 7 when you can get the Real Thing with a Mac??

Perhaps the price of the hardware puts people off \

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We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.

I would normally laugh at this point but i've spent the better part of today rescuing a colleagues MacBook running 10.5.4 after a Kernel panic.
While i've experienced bugs/glitches/crashes since OS 7 up to present day SL, my colleague was a Windows/PC convert after the VistaGate scandal and wasn't too impressed.

S**t happens i guess.
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post #72 of 214
"it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

Yes, that very stable core, Vista. Mmm, I do believe it still crashes, is prone to malware attacks, resource hungry, ....

Can he also point out what is unstable in OS X 10.6? I've yet to have a crash!

Phil
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

At least Win7's graphical interface is consistent, unlike SL, which contains myriads of leftover graphical elements from previous versions. Aqua, anyone? Frankly, I find OS X's style to be boring and dull, grey grey and more grey. Yawn. That was so Windows 2000 for me. Using Win7 on my friends' machines, I find the Aero glass to be quite nice, and muted (its semi-frosted I guess you could call it). You must have used the Hotdog Stand theme. A shame.

yes, the aero is very nice, if you have at least 4 gb of ram

that's not much battery life for a laptop, a resource hungry and bloated operating system
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MS has become a copy to catch up company. challenge is copiers usually fail as they cant innovate to differentiate.

copy the OSX UI. copy the ipod with the Zune (how many Zune HD's are selling? havent heard much about that.

Copy and steal apple employees and open stores right next to apple?

copy the iphone with windows mobile 6.5 professional for business - er it still uses a stylus...

you can see Balmer screaming about how to build a tablet but they cant yet because they havent seen Apples.

i bet they come out with a MS touch mouse at some point in the future

thing is they cant manage the experience you get with apple. Dell blames all problems on MS and MS blames it on dell.

they are a criminal organization...all they do is steal, their real business isn't software

if it were, then they'd use their money to write a decent operating system, they've had time since the release of windows 95...instead of spending it on sales
post #75 of 214
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Originally Posted by axual View Post


Both Windows 7 and OS X are very good pieces of software. But one big thing MS lacks and that they will never really have is the total computing experience. Apple builds the hardware, the operating system and many of the applications for a total user experience.

Conversely...

Apple's practice of placing their hardware on almost complete 'Lock Down' simply provides a Limiting Experience for many users.

My Macs are a lot of things, but 'open' is certainly NOT one of them, and that's why 90% of the time I use one of my Win/Linux-based computers.
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

While no Mac is sold with a touch screen, there isn't really any need for it. It's a desktop; Microsoft is trying to be cool and put multi touch where it isn't necessary, which again is what they do all along, solve problems that don't exist.

As opposed to VESA mounting an iMac which serves absolutely no purpose as you can't run a Blu-ray or PS3 on it- or anything else on it with HDMI for that matter. ANd then it's too far away to use as a work station hung up on a wall. And MS makes no sense?
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Windows 7 is more stable than OS X? Say what? It's one thing to make crap for 25 years and cram it down throats. Now MS is admitting they're copying Apple. Duh. For 15 years. Oh, but MS platform is more stable. I suppose that's why we apple users have to worry so much about, I don't know: viruses? Boot up times of 20+ minutes? Corrupted code? Deadly blue screens?!? Say a lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it. Until, this is, one day the emperor's outfit is revealed. Yes, no maybe, watch Apple surpass MS is market cap. See the dirty Window? It's a broken window. Ballmer on the bread line.
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they are a criminal organization...all they do is steal, their real business isn't software

if it were, then they'd use their money to write a decent operating system, they've had time since the release of windows 95...instead of spending it on sales

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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Do you want to kill me with laughter?

Touch on the Surface (aka Big-Ass Table[TM]) works. For obvious reasons. Except consumers don't get one. Or even a really small one. Until Apple releases the Tablet.

As you know, Touch on an upright display while the user is sitting in front of it, at a table . . . not so much. Apple put touch controls where they belong. On their notebook touchpads, on the mouse, and on their handhelds (one-handed operation FTW.)

If MS wanted to pull a Star Trek LCARS interface thingy, this isn't the way to do it.

If we all worked while standing, it would be a diferent story. Until your feet get tired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5g19Nn4Cc
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You left out one big missing item.
You have much more flexibility and freedom using Windows.

Can you define exactly what that means? My Mac is as 'flexible" as I need it to be. What exactly is inflexible and restricted on OSX?

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You're not locked into anybody's control.

Neither am I on my Mac - again, define what this means, instead of using the same old anti-Apple soundbites - what "control?"

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Flash even works.

So what? Flash is a steaming pile of manure, good only for playing ads and Youtube. I don't use it and I don't miss it.

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More games- are there any MAC games?

I have a few, yes, but I power up my PC or Wii if I want to play any serious games. OSX isn't a gaming platform any more than my Motorola V220 is a smartphone, but I don't whine that I can't get applications on it. Again, the games argument is just a tired old anti-Apple soundbite that serious users don't care about.

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The flip side is more suceptibilty to viruses.

True, but simple and free security tools will largely prevent this.

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Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?

Touch-control on a desktop computer is pointless and overrated. The ability to reach over my desk and touch the screen instead of using a mouse or touchpad is unnecessary and considerably more difficult. It'll also very quickly result in painful injury. It's only slightly more useful on a notebook and is perfectly suited to handheld devices. The failure of the tablet PC format shows that touch-screens are not needed for general use.

The touch-screen abilities of Windows 7 are just more Microsoft Kool-aid, of which you seem to have been drinking a long and deep draught.
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