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post #41 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:37pm
Where is Teckstud in all this?
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post #42 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

He realized partway through that he might just have been a little too honest for an MS emnployee, and then added:

Weve significantly improved the graphical user interface, but its built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.

If he had any presence of mind to begin with, he would never have even mentioned Apple.

It looks more like Linux? Super. Except Gomer Pyle there said it looks more like OS X. What difference does it make what *you* think it looks like, when he, representing MS, just announced publcily that it looks lke OS X and that MS ripped off Apple.

Glad to see you are also a mind reader.
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post #43 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

Microsoft, do HUMANITY a favor: get out of business, so that all people can enjoy the Mac!

Microsoft makes hardware now too?
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post #44 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The first quote does not contradict this quote therefore there no reason to quote the whole statement or the whole interview. Furthermore, the first statement sounded more like a survey or a research findings and the second was more of an opinion.

If your going to quote someone you either have to quote everything or nothing. Anything in the middle is called lying.
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post #45 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:38pm
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Where is Teckstud in all this?

I just got back - I had an extremely difficult problem to solve at the office.
Here we go again - yet another thread of MS bashing and for what reason? Why don't you leave them be as they don't compete in the "premium" market anyway which Apple owns. Do they? WE all know Apple's never gonna crush them- right?
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post #46 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

When someone makes a statement like that, shouldn't they be asked: How do you make that claim? Can you prove it? Has it been shown?

Kind of like people here who endlessly bash Windows using the same tired soundbites?
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post #47 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:40pm
"We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."
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post #48 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:41pm
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If your going to quote someone you either have to quote everything or nothing. Anything in the middle is called lying.

Seriously?! You might want to look up the definition of the word "Quote" and while at it look at the definition of every word in that definition
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post #49 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:41pm
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Kind of like people here who endlessly bash Windows using the same tired soundbites?

If only they weren't true/justified/so useful because MS (and its dumb emplyees) make it so easy.

Don't get all angry at us when MS provides the material.
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11/11/09 at 12:41pm
If you're going to steal the "look and feel", then go ahead and do it. They only did it in bits and drabs. Windows 7 is still pretty garish. They need to tone it down some. I find the MacOS interface much more elegant and refined. It's less "in your face". Aero windows especially is an eye sore.
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post #51 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by axual View Post

It matters not, what some guy at Microsoft says about Apple or anything else. Some people would have you believe that comments from managers at Microsoft would have some influence, but they have zero influence really.

Both Windows 7 and OS X are very good pieces of software. But one big thing MS lacks and that they will never really have is the total computing experience. Apple builds the hardware, the operating system and many of the applications for a total user experience.

When one compares apples to apples (no pun intended), on balance, Apple comes out ahead. Yes, even with price considerations which are mostly fabricated. True, Apples does not play in the $400 PC market, but they don't have to. But Apple has sold millions of devices at the $400 price point, just not a PC.

The market shows the truth here ... Apple is firing on all cylinders and is focused. MS on the other hand seems to have been distracted for years and several cylinders have misfired.

I am very happy with my Apple experience, having switched 2 years ago from Wintel PCs. OS X has been incredibly stable compared to my Windows experience. Installing software is a complete breeze compared to MS installations; just one of many areas where Apple excels.

You left out one big missing item.
You have much more flexibility and freedom using Windows. You're not locked into anybody's control. Flash even works. More games- are there any MAC games?
The flip side is more suceptibilty to viruses.

Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?
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post #52 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Simon Aldous, partner group manager with Microsoft: "...it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.".

Oh c'mon Mr. Aldous, although I am a Vista user, the notion that Windows is more stable than OS X is funny. You silly silly guy!
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post #53 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:47pm
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apparently Microsoft was even more inspired by open-source KDE.
Apple also adopted KDE's KHTML, which got subsequently renamed to WebKit.
People don't even notice that it's KDE:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/soft...9294810,00.htm


And thanks to Apple it became something worth using, because KHTML in KDE 4.3 STILL SUCKS.

KDE keeps on saying they will go to webkit, but still hasn't. In the meantime, epiphany has and just like every other webkit browser, is smokin' fast.
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post #54 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

If only they weren't true/justified/so useful because MS (and its dumb emplyees) make it so easy.

Don't get all angry at us when MS provides the material.

+1 and more
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post #55 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:49pm
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If you're going to steal the "look and feel", then go ahead and do it. They only did it in bits and drabs. Windows 7 is still pretty garish. They need to tone it down some. I find the MacOS interface much more elegant and refined. It's less "in your face". Aero windows especially is an eye sore.

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.
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post #56 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:51pm
When several products become more similar, doesn't the original product become more like a commodity?

The release of Windows 7 will force Apple to lower their prices. That is good for us.
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post #57 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:52pm
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Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?

Apparently MS thinks gorilla-arm is somehow cool.
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post #58 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:55pm
I knew I liked Windows 7 for some reason and here you go.

I'm willing to bet 10.7 will be out by the end of 2010. Apple would have pulled an amazing feat off if they do release a feature rich update in a little more than a year after 10.6 was released.

At this point I'm not sure what more I'd need in that new OS that couldn't be tacked onto the existing 10.6 (blu-ray support, atom support again, etc). It'll be interesting what they come up with.
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post #59 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:56pm
"One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use," Aldous said. "What weve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."



More stable? Is that supposed to be a joke?
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post #60 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:57pm
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I would quote his statement in the next keynote if I were SJ

Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

MICROSOFT IS DEAD. AND SO IS DELL.

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post #61 of 230
11/11/09 at 12:58pm
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Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

MICROSOFT IS DEAD. AND SO IS DELL.

Always a pleasure, br . . .

See you've found your way over from MR. About time, too.
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11/11/09 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

At least Win7's graphical interface is consistent, unlike SL, which contains myriads of leftover graphical elements from previous versions. Aqua, anyone? Frankly, I find OS X's style to be boring and dull, grey grey and more grey. Yawn. That was so Windows 2000 for me. Using Win7 on my friends' machines, I find the Aero glass to be quite nice, and muted (its semi-frosted I guess you could call it). You must have used the Hotdog Stand theme. A shame.
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post #63 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:01pm
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apparently Microsoft was even more inspired by open-source KDE.
Apple also adopted KDE's KHTML, which got subsequently renamed to WebKit.
People don't even notice that it's KDE:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/soft...9294810,00.htm

Why would they when that fork has been completely removed and WebKit is millions of new lines of code?
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post #64 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:02pm
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You left out one big missing item.
You have much more flexibility and freedom using Windows. You're not locked into anybody's control. Flash even works. More games- are there any MAC games?
The flip side is more suceptibilty to viruses.

Now where can you get a MAC with Touch control on the screen like Windows has?

Never thought of OSX as being as locked down as the iphone, please clarify.

Oh, I don't think anyone wouldn't buy a mac due to flash, seriously.

Games? Yep, DirectX got us there.

While no Mac is sold with a touch screen, there isn't really any need for it. It's a desktop; Microsoft is trying to be cool and put multi touch where it isn't necessary, which again is what they do all along, solve problems that don't exist.
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11/11/09 at 1:04pm


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Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

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post #66 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:09pm
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"We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

Honest, but still delusional.

Well what he SHOULD have zero'd in on is the totally pathetic decades old file system that SL ships with when compared to the far more advanced FS that Windows enjoys. Gee, did my anger at Apple pulling the plug on ZFS show too much with that comment?
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post #67 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Garish?

It looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell, like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

Eye-candy is supposed to be subtle and elegant, not Ringling Brothers meets Death Wish 4: The Crackdown.

Dude, this is the best thing I have read all day.

Funny cos it's true
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11/11/09 at 1:17pm
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Actually if you read what he was saying he was trying to point out that while Windows 7 has the look of OSX its far more stable. However if you have used Windows 7 you would know it actually doesn't look like OSX at all. It has far more of a Linux look.

.... Ummm a 'Linux Look' you say?!?

What does linux look like when compared with KDE or GNOME or XWINDOWS? I quite curious to hear your reply...
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11/11/09 at 1:18pm
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"One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use," Aldous said. "What we’ve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

He's just giving people what they told him- just like Steve Jobs says people told him the Touch is a gaming device. He's sees the numbers defecting that's all- and he's trying to stop it- can you blame him.
Besides the people have built Windows7- haven't you seen those shiny, happy people commercials?
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11/11/09 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

Worry not, SJ is NOT gonna forget that pearl... What a great word of marketing for Apple.

MICROSOFT IS DEAD. AND SO IS DELL.

90% Dead or ALIVE???
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11/11/09 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Apparently MS thinks gorilla-arm is somehow cool.

Do you want to kill me with laughter?
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post #72 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:22pm
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90% Dead or ALIVE???

He's not talking about marketshare, but about future vision, quality and mindshare.
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11/11/09 at 1:26pm
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I've experienced both kernel panics on 10.6 as well as total freezes on Windows 7 so from my subjective point of view they are both equally guilty. Microsoft in fact *does* have the more modern graphic stack with drivers running in user space which allows for recoverable driver crashes, updating without reboot and switching graphic cards without logging out first (which I really expected to make a debut in 10.6 which it didn't to my disappointment).

To be correct. Kernal Panics are rarely caused by the OS on a Mac. Most Kernal Panics are hardware related. Meaning something is broken, unplug in the middle of use or sometimes not found on boot. It's rare to see the KP read back a SW based KP.
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post #74 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:26pm
But then Microsoft claims their product is a result of their innovation, and that everything good about it is 100% because of Microsoft.

I wouldn't care about what Microsoft claims, except that too many other people believe and reward them for it.

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big deal
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post #75 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:28pm
MS has become a copy to catch up company. challenge is copiers usually fail as they cant innovate to differentiate.

copy the OSX UI. copy the ipod with the Zune (how many Zune HD's are selling? havent heard much about that.

Copy and steal apple employees and open stores right next to apple?

copy the iphone with windows mobile 6.5 professional for business - er it still uses a stylus...

you can see Balmer screaming about how to build a tablet but they cant yet because they havent seen Apples.

i bet they come out with a MS touch mouse at some point in the future

thing is they cant manage the experience you get with apple. Dell blames all problems on MS and MS blames it on dell.
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post #76 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:29pm
We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.


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11/11/09 at 1:30pm
I have 3 Macs and numerous PCs, and I simply don't see the resemblance between the two operating systems:

My Macs are extremely (Apple) austere, flat and somewhat boring, whereas my Win 7 computers show exponentially more visual flare, all while providing much more information/functionality/customization.

Oh Well, they both work well for their given tasks, and that's really what matters.
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11/11/09 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

So then WTH is the point of Windows 7 when you can get the Real Thing with a Mac??

Perhaps the price of the hardware puts people off \

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We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance.

I would normally laugh at this point but i've spent the better part of today rescuing a colleagues MacBook running 10.5.4 after a Kernel panic.
While i've experienced bugs/glitches/crashes since OS 7 up to present day SL, my colleague was a Windows/PC convert after the VistaGate scandal and wasn't too impressed.

S**t happens i guess.
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post #79 of 230
11/11/09 at 1:31pm
"it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

Yes, that very stable core, Vista. Mmm, I do believe it still crashes, is prone to malware attacks, resource hungry, ....

Can he also point out what is unstable in OS X 10.6? I've yet to have a crash!

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11/11/09 at 1:32pm
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At least Win7's graphical interface is consistent, unlike SL, which contains myriads of leftover graphical elements from previous versions. Aqua, anyone? Frankly, I find OS X's style to be boring and dull, grey grey and more grey. Yawn. That was so Windows 2000 for me. Using Win7 on my friends' machines, I find the Aero glass to be quite nice, and muted (its semi-frosted I guess you could call it). You must have used the Hotdog Stand theme. A shame.

yes, the aero is very nice, if you have at least 4 gb of ram

that's not much battery life for a laptop, a resource hungry and bloated operating system
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